Who Are The Palestinains?

[montelatici]

And Palestinian Muslims are walking around with halos over their heads. Especially their leaders, Arafat and Hamas. Such fine examples or morality and great leadership.

Seriously, do you believe in the crap you post here?

I agree with you, the Muslim and Christian Palestinians are just as immoral as the Jewish Israelis

That wasn't the topic. We were discussing the various "fairy tales" and their effects on the believers of those fairy tales and history.

But FYI, you have immorality, and then you have immorality. The Palestinians and especially Hamas are on a totally different level of deprivation and inhumanity than Western countries and Israel. You are talking about a culture that sees nothing wrong in recruiting it's young into blowing itself up in schools, movie theaters and restaurants. It takes a special psycho mentality that only Islam can produce today.

It takes a special psycho mentality to fire missiles into an apartment building you know women and children are sleeping in. And, don't you include Israel as anywhere similar morality-wise to a Western country. Western countries repudiated colonialism and the oppression of people because of their religion a long time ago.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Why is everyone arguing about irrelevance?

Citizens of Jewish Palestine. Nice try, no cigar. Same repetitive drivel.

As for the Arab and Jewish Turks who were residing in Palestine, another calculation is required. In mid-1925, the number of Arabs in the total population was 717,006 inhabitants: 641,494 Muslims and 75,512 Christians.145 There were also 8,507 persons who were classified as Others,146 mainly Druze, Baha’i and Samiritans – all were Arabs in fact. The number of Arab immigrants who entered Palestine and registered therein as residents from 1920 to 1925 was 2,783.147 Thus, the net number of Arabs who were Ottomans, and then automatically acquired Palestinian nationality, was as follows: (717,006 + 8,507) – 2,783 = 722,730, about 99 % of the total population in Palestine at the time. On the other hand, the number of Jews within the total population, at the same moment, was 121,725.148 Of these, the majority were foreigners: 37,997 acquired provisional Palestinian nationality in 1922, as mentioned above, plus 76,585 registered as immigrants upon entering Palestine between 1920 and 1925.149 Thus, the net number of Jews who were Turkish and then became Palestinian citizens was: 121,725 - (37,997 + 76,585) = 7,143 individuals, a bit below 1 % of the total population.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Jewish Palestine?

 

[Roudy]

It takes a special psycho mentality to fire missiles into an apartment building you know women and children are sleeping in.

Especially if the psychos are Palestinian animals who fire from top of those apartment buildings praying that Israel will actually kill innocent people, without sending leaflets or warning them, like the Israelis do.

Like I said convert, your Palestinians in the depths of depravity.

 

[montelatici]

It takes a special psycho mentality to fire missiles into an apartment building you know women and children are sleeping in.

Especially if the psychos are Palestinian animals who fire from top of those apartment buildings praying that Israel will actually kill innocent people, without sending leaflets or warning them, like the Israelis do.

Like I said convert, your Palestinians in the depths of depravity.

"Especially if the psychos are Palestinian animals who fire from top of those apartment buildings"

Even if it were true, why would the Palestinians have to fire at attacking Israeli aircraft, if Israel was not doing the attacking?

The Israelis have a 10/20 to 1 or so kill ratio of civilians. For every Israeli civilian killed by the Palestinians 10 to 20 Palestinian civilians are killed by the Jews. Who are the murderous animals?

 

[Roudy]

Who are the Palestinians?



Why is everyone arguing about irrelevance?

Citizens of Jewish Palestine. Nice try, no cigar. Same repetitive drivel.

As for the Arab and Jewish Turks who were residing in Palestine, another calculation is required. In mid-1925, the number of Arabs in the total population was 717,006 inhabitants: 641,494 Muslims and 75,512 Christians.145 There were also 8,507 persons who were classified as Others,146 mainly Druze, Baha’i and Samiritans – all were Arabs in fact. The number of Arab immigrants who entered Palestine and registered therein as residents from 1920 to 1925 was 2,783.147 Thus, the net number of Arabs who were Ottomans, and then automatically acquired Palestinian nationality, was as follows: (717,006 + 8,507) – 2,783 = 722,730, about 99 % of the total population in Palestine at the time. On the other hand, the number of Jews within the total population, at the same moment, was 121,725.148 Of these, the majority were foreigners: 37,997 acquired provisional Palestinian nationality in 1922, as mentioned above, plus 76,585 registered as immigrants upon entering Palestine between 1920 and 1925.149 Thus, the net number of Jews who were Turkish and then became Palestinian citizens was: 121,725 - (37,997 + 76,585) = 7,143 individuals, a bit below 1 % of the total population.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Jewish Palestine?

Yup, voted unanimously by 51 member states:

LEAGUE OF NATIONS MANDATE FOR PALESTINE (Eretz-Israel)
TOGETHER WITH A

NOTE BY THE SECRETARY-GENERAL
RELATING TO ITS APPLICATION TO THE
TERRITORY KNOWN AS TRANS-JORDAN,
under the provisions of Article 25

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty,
December, 1922.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

 

[Roudy]

It takes a special psycho mentality to fire missiles into an apartment building you know women and children are sleeping in.

Especially if the psychos are Palestinian animals who fire from top of those apartment buildings praying that Israel will actually kill innocent people, without sending leaflets or warning them, like the Israelis do.

Like I said convert, your Palestinians in the depths of depravity.

"Especially if the psychos are Palestinian animals who fire from top of those apartment buildings"

Even if it were true, why would the Palestinians have to fire at attacking Israeli aircraft, if Israel was not doing the attacking?

The Israelis have a 10/20 to 1 or so kill ratio of civilians. For every Israeli civilian killed by the Palestinians 10 to 20 Palestinian civilians are killed by the Jews. Who are the murderous animals?

Oh but its more than true. Israelis were human enough to pass out leaflets and make phone calls. Palestinian animals on the other hand pray they can kill more Jewish children. They are a sick, barbaric depraved culture, with no respect for life. Here are the animals you adore and falsely compare:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkAuvIQTzWU]Miss Ahlam Tamimi murders 15 in Jerusalem, Israel ~ NO REGRETS - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Citizens of Jewish Palestine. Nice try, no cigar. Same repetitive drivel.

As for the Arab and Jewish Turks who were residing in Palestine, another calculation is required. In mid-1925, the number of Arabs in the total population was 717,006 inhabitants: 641,494 Muslims and 75,512 Christians.145 There were also 8,507 persons who were classified as Others,146 mainly Druze, Baha’i and Samiritans – all were Arabs in fact. The number of Arab immigrants who entered Palestine and registered therein as residents from 1920 to 1925 was 2,783.147 Thus, the net number of Arabs who were Ottomans, and then automatically acquired Palestinian nationality, was as follows: (717,006 + 8,507) – 2,783 = 722,730, about 99 % of the total population in Palestine at the time. On the other hand, the number of Jews within the total population, at the same moment, was 121,725.148 Of these, the majority were foreigners: 37,997 acquired provisional Palestinian nationality in 1922, as mentioned above, plus 76,585 registered as immigrants upon entering Palestine between 1920 and 1925.149 Thus, the net number of Jews who were Turkish and then became Palestinian citizens was: 121,725 - (37,997 + 76,585) = 7,143 individuals, a bit below 1 % of the total population.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Jewish Palestine?

Yup, voted unanimously by 51 member states:

LEAGUE OF NATIONS MANDATE FOR PALESTINE (Eretz-Israel)
TOGETHER WITH A

NOTE BY THE SECRETARY-GENERAL
RELATING TO ITS APPLICATION TO THE
TERRITORY KNOWN AS TRANS-JORDAN,
under the provisions of Article 25

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty,
December, 1922.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

And that flopped big time.

None of that had anything to do with the creation of Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Especially if the psychos are Palestinian animals who fire from top of those apartment buildings praying that Israel will actually kill innocent people, without sending leaflets or warning them, like the Israelis do.

Like I said convert, your Palestinians in the depths of depravity.

"Especially if the psychos are Palestinian animals who fire from top of those apartment buildings"

Even if it were true, why would the Palestinians have to fire at attacking Israeli aircraft, if Israel was not doing the attacking?

The Israelis have a 10/20 to 1 or so kill ratio of civilians. For every Israeli civilian killed by the Palestinians 10 to 20 Palestinian civilians are killed by the Jews. Who are the murderous animals?

Oh but its more than true. Israelis were human enough to pass out leaflets and make phone calls. Palestinian animals on the other hand pray they can kill more Jewish children. They are a sick, barbaric depraved culture, with no respect for life. Here are the animals you adore and falsely compare:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkAuvIQTzWU]Miss Ahlam Tamimi murders 15 in Jerusalem, Israel ~ NO REGRETS - YouTube[/ame]

And Israel killed 1400 Palestinians during Cast Lead.

NO REGRETS!

What is your point?

 

[montelatici]

Citizens of Jewish Palestine. Nice try, no cigar. Same repetitive drivel.

As for the Arab and Jewish Turks who were residing in Palestine, another calculation is required. In mid-1925, the number of Arabs in the total population was 717,006 inhabitants: 641,494 Muslims and 75,512 Christians.145 There were also 8,507 persons who were classified as Others,146 mainly Druze, Baha’i and Samiritans – all were Arabs in fact. The number of Arab immigrants who entered Palestine and registered therein as residents from 1920 to 1925 was 2,783.147 Thus, the net number of Arabs who were Ottomans, and then automatically acquired Palestinian nationality, was as follows: (717,006 + 8,507) – 2,783 = 722,730, about 99 % of the total population in Palestine at the time. On the other hand, the number of Jews within the total population, at the same moment, was 121,725.148 Of these, the majority were foreigners: 37,997 acquired provisional Palestinian nationality in 1922, as mentioned above, plus 76,585 registered as immigrants upon entering Palestine between 1920 and 1925.149 Thus, the net number of Jews who were Turkish and then became Palestinian citizens was: 121,725 - (37,997 + 76,585) = 7,143 individuals, a bit below 1 % of the total population.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Jewish Palestine?

Yup, voted unanimously by 51 member states:

LEAGUE OF NATIONS MANDATE FOR PALESTINE (Eretz-Israel)
TOGETHER WITH A

NOTE BY THE SECRETARY-GENERAL
RELATING TO ITS APPLICATION TO THE
TERRITORY KNOWN AS TRANS-JORDAN,
under the provisions of Article 25

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty,
December, 1922.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Why do you leave the most important part out? Why are you so childish. You think we wouldn't see it. What a little punk you are. Read the bold print over and over again.

The UN's partition plan, creating a gerrymandered area where Jews would have a slight majority, allowing Jews to rule over Christians and Muslims, contravened the terms of the Mandate. Having Jews rule over Christians and Muslims "might" have (and the word in the Mandate is "might") prejudiced "the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

"....Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and...."

 

[aris2chat]

But unlike the two books it tried to copy from, it's a much more violent, intolerant one written by an illiterate terrorist.

The Old Testament is far more violent than the Koran. It is full of instructions to commit Genocide on non-Jews, parents killing children etc.

Again, fairy tales, so it really is unimportant.

And yet, Jews have been the one of the most peaceful people in history. Laying the foundation for morality and justice for human civilization. Ten Commandments, thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not lie, thou shalt not bear false witness, thou shalt not covet thy neighbors possessions....

Muslims? Not so much. Their holy book is actually a blue print for Arab imperialism.

True story.

The conquest and sacking of cities was over stated, though at the time they could well believe it was god's work. Earthquakes damaged or destroyed most of the cites from norther Turkey down through arabia.
Towns may well have been destroyed and vacated prior to the Israelites arrival. God did the work for them. With wall crumbling from the earthquake(s) the people in towns still populated might simply have surrendered.
"The conclusions are limited by bronze age knowledge, the stories are exaggerated and repeated/preserved to explain/inspired by their god." To remember, to achieve it's purpose, a story has to capture the interest of the listener.
Attributing the advances and successes across the land as being from god was rational for them. It seemed to have been miraculous.

We can explain major event in the bible scientifically, but ancient people used an awesome omnipotent god.

 

[Hossfly]

Jewish Palestine?

Yup, voted unanimously by 51 member states:

LEAGUE OF NATIONS MANDATE FOR PALESTINE (Eretz-Israel)
TOGETHER WITH A

NOTE BY THE SECRETARY-GENERAL
RELATING TO ITS APPLICATION TO THE
TERRITORY KNOWN AS TRANS-JORDAN,
under the provisions of Article 25

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty,
December, 1922.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Why do you leave the most important part out? Why are you so childish. You think we wouldn't see it. What a little punk you are. Read the bold print over and over again.

The UN's partition plan, creating a gerrymandered area where Jews would have a slight majority, allowing Jews to rule over Christians and Muslims, contravened the terms of the Mandate. Having Jews rule over Christians and Muslims "might" have (and the word in the Mandate is "might") prejudiced "the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"

"....Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and...."

? Palestine (Land of Israel) ?

 

[MJB12741]

Eh Tinmore, got news for you. Long before there were any Muslims at all let alone Muslim Palestinians, there were the indigenous Palestinian Jews. Hurts huh?

Who are the Palestinians?



Why is everyone arguing about irrelevance?

Citizens of Jewish Palestine. Nice try, no cigar. Same repetitive drivel.

As for the Arab and Jewish Turks who were residing in Palestine, another calculation is required. In mid-1925, the number of Arabs in the total population was 717,006 inhabitants: 641,494 Muslims and 75,512 Christians.145 There were also 8,507 persons who were classified as Others,146 mainly Druze, Baha’i and Samiritans – all were Arabs in fact. The number of Arab immigrants who entered Palestine and registered therein as residents from 1920 to 1925 was 2,783.147 Thus, the net number of Arabs who were Ottomans, and then automatically acquired Palestinian nationality, was as follows: (717,006 + 8,507) – 2,783 = 722,730, about 99 % of the total population in Palestine at the time. On the other hand, the number of Jews within the total population, at the same moment, was 121,725.148 Of these, the majority were foreigners: 37,997 acquired provisional Palestinian nationality in 1922, as mentioned above, plus 76,585 registered as immigrants upon entering Palestine between 1920 and 1925.149 Thus, the net number of Jews who were Turkish and then became Palestinian citizens was: 121,725 - (37,997 + 76,585) = 7,143 individuals, a bit below 1 % of the total population.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Jewish Palestine?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Eh Tinmore, got news for you. Long before there were any Muslims at all let alone Muslim Palestinians, there were the indigenous Palestinian Jews. Hurts huh?

Citizens of Jewish Palestine. Nice try, no cigar. Same repetitive drivel.

As for the Arab and Jewish Turks who were residing in Palestine, another calculation is required. In mid-1925, the number of Arabs in the total population was 717,006 inhabitants: 641,494 Muslims and 75,512 Christians.145 There were also 8,507 persons who were classified as Others,146 mainly Druze, Baha’i and Samiritans – all were Arabs in fact. The number of Arab immigrants who entered Palestine and registered therein as residents from 1920 to 1925 was 2,783.147 Thus, the net number of Arabs who were Ottomans, and then automatically acquired Palestinian nationality, was as follows: (717,006 + 8,507) – 2,783 = 722,730, about 99 % of the total population in Palestine at the time. On the other hand, the number of Jews within the total population, at the same moment, was 121,725.148 Of these, the majority were foreigners: 37,997 acquired provisional Palestinian nationality in 1922, as mentioned above, plus 76,585 registered as immigrants upon entering Palestine between 1920 and 1925.149 Thus, the net number of Jews who were Turkish and then became Palestinian citizens was: 121,725 - (37,997 + 76,585) = 7,143 individuals, a bit below 1 % of the total population.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Jewish Palestine?

OK, so? When Palestine was created by post war treaties, none of that mattered. The People who normally lived there became citizens of Palestine. They did not sift through the ashes of history looking for reasons to exclude anyone.

 

[toastman]

It takes a special psycho mentality to fire missiles into an apartment building you know women and children are sleeping in.

Especially if the psychos are Palestinian animals who fire from top of those apartment buildings praying that Israel will actually kill innocent people, without sending leaflets or warning them, like the Israelis do.

Like I said convert, your Palestinians in the depths of depravity.

"Especially if the psychos are Palestinian animals who fire from top of those apartment buildings"

Even if it were true, why would the Palestinians have to fire at attacking Israeli aircraft, if Israel was not doing the attacking?

The Israelis have a 10/20 to 1 or so kill ratio of civilians. For every Israeli civilian killed by the Palestinians 10 to 20 Palestinian civilians are killed by the Jews. Who are the murderous animals?

Murderius animals are those who walk up to a mother and kids and spray them with bullets.
Disgusting animals are those who pass out candy and celebrate when hearing that an Israeli family was just murdered.

Military assaults against a known terrorist organization is not murder.

Why do the Palestinians and their supporters also whine about Israeli attacks when the only reason they are taking place is because Hamas and the other Islamic thugs are attacking them.
It's so fucking simple: Don't launch rockets at Israel
Don't keep weapons next to civilian building and don't plan attacks on Israel.

Palestinians can't comprehend this either because they want Israel to attack them so civilians can die and they can garner more sympathy from the world OR because they have a very small learning curve.

Don't attack Israel and your civilians won't die as a result of collateral damage.
It really is THAT fuckin simple.

 

[toastman]

Eh Tinmore, got news for you. Long before there were any Muslims at all let alone Muslim Palestinians, there were the indigenous Palestinian Jews. Hurts huh?

Jewish Palestine?

OK, so? When Palestine was created by post war treaties, none of that mattered. The People who normally lived there became citizens of Palestine. They did not sift through the ashes of history looking for reasons to exclude anyone.

When Palestine the WHAT was created?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Eh Tinmore, got news for you. Long before there were any Muslims at all let alone Muslim Palestinians, there were the indigenous Palestinian Jews. Hurts huh?

OK, so? When Palestine was created by post war treaties, none of that mattered. The People who normally lived there became citizens of Palestine. They did not sift through the ashes of history looking for reasons to exclude anyone.

When Palestine the WHAT was created?

It doesn't matter. Even people in non self governing territories have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.

 

[Hossfly]

OK, so? When Palestine was created by post war treaties, none of that mattered. The People who normally lived there became citizens of Palestine. They did not sift through the ashes of history looking for reasons to exclude anyone.

When Palestine the WHAT was created?

It doesn't matter. Even people in non self governing territories have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.

Are you trying to say they've been living with a foot on their neck? Awwwww. Whatever for?

 

[toastman]

OK, so? When Palestine was created by post war treaties, none of that mattered. The People who normally lived there became citizens of Palestine. They did not sift through the ashes of history looking for reasons to exclude anyone.

When Palestine the WHAT was created?

It doesn't matter. Even people in non self governing territories have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.

I asked a very simple question and all I got was a deflection.

BTW, your post war treaties created Palestine is a lie.
You keep saying for example that the Treaty of Lausanne was part of the creation of Palestine, but Palestine or Palestinians is not even mentioned in the treaty.

 

[Billo_Really]

Because that one incident (act of genocide) triggered a civil war between the Jews and Arabs, which the Jews won. Muslims cannot coexist with anybody.

A war? That they waited 100 years before they started fighting?

You expect people to believe that?

 

[Billo_Really]

It makes Israel look bad. Their arab brethren use them as a scapegoat. And the Palestinians know it too so they play on it with their disgusting victim and gimmee gimmee gimmee mentality.

They didn't ask for your immoral and illegal occupation, so why did you give it to them?

Are you going to "...gimmee gimmee gimmee..." an answer to that?