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When Palestine the WHAT was created?
It doesn't matter. Even people in non self governing territories have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.
I asked a very simple question and all I got was a deflection.
BTW, your post war treaties created Palestine is a lie.
You keep saying for example that the Treaty of Lausanne was part of the creation of Palestine, but Palestine or Palestinians is not even mentioned in the treaty.
Yeah, well they tried by committing genocide on the Jews, just like the nazis, a civil war ensued and the Arabs lost the battle, after which Israel was rightfully established as the home of the Jewish people, as planned all along.OK, so? When Palestine was created by post war treaties, none of that mattered. The People who normally lived there became citizens of Palestine. They did not sift through the ashes of history looking for reasons to exclude anyone.
When Palestine the WHAT was created?
It doesn't matter. Even people in non self governing territories have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.
I expect people to respond to an act of genocide and ethnic cleansing. Especially people who's brethren had already suffered the same in Europe under the Nazis. Enough is enough, never again. Jews fought back and the rest is history.A war? That they waited 100 years before they started fighting?Because that one incident (act of genocide) triggered a civil war between the Jews and Arabs, which the Jews won. Muslims cannot coexist with anybody.
You expect people to believe that?
It doesn't matter. Even people in non self governing territories have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.
I asked a very simple question and all I got was a deflection.
BTW, your post war treaties created Palestine is a lie.
You keep saying for example that the Treaty of Lausanne was part of the creation of Palestine, but Palestine or Palestinians is not even mentioned in the treaty.
I never said they were. You are misunderstanding/misrepresenting what I said.
What is Palestine? That is subject to political opinion. It is called: a state, a country, a nation, a legal entity, occupied territory, non self governing territory.
The Palestinian's legal rights are the same in any instance.
Ummm..................Palestinian's aren't German!I expect people to respond to an act of genocide and ethnic cleansing. Especially people who's brethren had already suffered the same in Europe under the Nazis. Enough is enough, never again. Jews fought back and the rest is history.
OK, so? When Palestine was created by post war treaties, none of that mattered. The People who normally lived there became citizens of Palestine. They did not sift through the ashes of history looking for reasons to exclude anyone.
When Palestine the WHAT was created?
It doesn't matter. Even people in non self governing territories have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.
I asked a very simple question and all I got was a deflection.
BTW, your post war treaties created Palestine is a lie.
You keep saying for example that the Treaty of Lausanne was part of the creation of Palestine, but Palestine or Palestinians is not even mentioned in the treaty.
I never said they were. You are misunderstanding/misrepresenting what I said.
What is Palestine? That is subject to political opinion. It is called: a state, a country, a nation, a legal entity, occupied territory, non self governing territory.
The Palestinian's legal rights are the same in any instance.
I never said anything about their rights. But you always talk about post war treaties creating Palestine. Palestine the what??
I'm not trying to get you to say so something so I can use it against you. I'm just asking a question.
Why don't you learn a little history?no.... learn history...
bedouins who started a war against the jewish population of israel.
there has never been a palestine... it was a designation given to judea by it's occupiers.
Palestinian's are the indigenous Arabs that have been living in that area for the last 2000 years.
no....
what was the government of palestine?
who was it's head of state?
who were the trading partners of "palestine"?
what did "palestine" manufacture/export?
until you can answer those questions, you can feel free to keep your anti-semitic lies to yourself and don't bother posting to me.
mmmmmkay?
The term "Philistine" (as well as "Palestine") comes from the Hebrew p*li�tî(m), which occurs 288 times in the OT; the term "Philistia" (p*le�et) occurs eight times. p*li�tî(m) usually is rendered as allophuloi ("strangers, foreigners") in the Greek versions, and less frequently as phulistiim; it is found in Egyptian sources as prst ("Peleset") and in Assyrian sources as pilisti and palastu.
Philistine pentapolis in southwestern Canaan: Gaza, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Gath, and Ekron (Josh. 13:2-3). Each one was headed by a "lord" (seren). Philistine rulers were also simply called "kings." Under these lords or kings were the Philistine commanders (**rîm) mentioned above.
Along with the cities of the pentapolis, many other Canaanite cities were "Philistinized" over time to one degree or another. The cities were well-planned and laid out; some were walled (e.g., Gaza, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Ekron), while others were not. Several were very large: Ashkelon, for example, was a thriving seaport more than 150 acres in size.
The forms of Philistine religion that we know today conformed closely to common Canaanite religion, and their gods were common Semitic gods.
Philistines are an extinct people that were more Greek than anything else!Why don't you learn a little history?
Palestinian's are the indigenous Arabs that have been living in that area for the last 2000 years.
no....
what was the government of palestine?
who was it's head of state?
who were the trading partners of "palestine"?
what did "palestine" manufacture/export?
until you can answer those questions, you can feel free to keep your anti-semitic lies to yourself and don't bother posting to me.
mmmmmkay?
Philistine pentapolis in southwestern Canaan: Gaza, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Gath, and Ekron (Josh. 13:2-3). Each one was headed by a "lord" (seren). Philistine rulers were also simply called "kings." Under these lords or kings were the Philistine commanders (**rîm) mentioned above.
Along with the cities of the pentapolis, many other Canaanite cities were "Philistinized" over time to one degree or another. The cities were well-planned and laid out; some were walled (e.g., Gaza, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Ekron), while others were not. Several were very large: Ashkelon, for example, was a thriving seaport more than 150 acres in size.
The forms of Philistine religion that we know today conformed closely to common Canaanite religion, and their gods were common Semitic gods.
Not that you get to define what the Palestinian people are or are not...
http://people.bethel.edu/~dhoward/articles/articles2/PhilistinesPOTW.htm
Who are the Palestinians?
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:
Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:
Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.
Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
Why is everyone arguing about irrelevance?
(COMMENT)The only irrelevance is that coming from you.Who are the Palestinians?
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:
Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:
Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.
Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
Why is everyone arguing about irrelevance?
The state was the LON mandate
That wasn't the topic. We were discussing the various "fairy tales" and their effects on the believers of those fairy tales and history.I agree with you, the Muslim and Christian Palestinians are just as immoral as the Jewish Israelis
But FYI, you have immorality, and then you have immorality. The Palestinians and especially Hamas are on a totally different level of deprivation and inhumanity than Western countries and Israel. You are talking about a culture that sees nothing wrong in recruiting it's young into blowing itself up in schools, movie theaters and restaurants. It takes a special psycho mentality that only Islam can produce today.
It takes a special psycho mentality to fire missiles into an apartment building you know women and children are sleeping in. And, don't you include Israel as anywhere similar morality-wise to a Western country. Western countries repudiated colonialism and the oppression of people because of their religion a long time ago.
Citizens of Jewish Palestine. Nice try, no cigar. Same repetitive drivel.Who are the Palestinians?
Why is everyone arguing about irrelevance?
As for the Arab and Jewish Turks who were residing in Palestine, another calculation is required. In mid-1925, the number of Arabs in the total population was 717,006 inhabitants: 641,494 Muslims and 75,512 Christians.145 There were also 8,507 persons who were classified as Others,146 mainly Druze, Bahai and Samiritans all were Arabs in fact. The number of Arab immigrants who entered Palestine and registered therein as residents from 1920 to 1925 was 2,783.147 Thus, the net number of Arabs who were Ottomans, and then automatically acquired Palestinian nationality, was as follows: (717,006 + 8,507) 2,783 = 722,730, about 99 % of the total population in Palestine at the time. On the other hand, the number of Jews within the total population, at the same moment, was 121,725.148 Of these, the majority were foreigners: 37,997 acquired provisional Palestinian nationality in 1922, as mentioned above, plus 76,585 registered as immigrants upon entering Palestine between 1920 and 1925.149 Thus, the net number of Jews who were Turkish and then became Palestinian citizens was: 121,725 - (37,997 + 76,585) = 7,143 individuals, a bit below 1 % of the total population.
Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
Jewish Palestine?
It takes a special psycho mentality to fire missiles into an apartment building you know women and children are sleeping in.
Especially if the psychos are Palestinian animals who fire from top of those apartment buildings praying that Israel will actually kill innocent people, without sending leaflets or warning them, like the Israelis do.
Like I said convert, your Palestinians in the depths of depravity.
"Especially if the psychos are Palestinian animals who fire from top of those apartment buildings"
Even if it were true, why would the Palestinians have to fire at attacking Israeli aircraft, if Israel was not doing the attacking?
The Israelis have a 10/20 to 1 or so kill ratio of civilians. For every Israeli civilian killed by the Palestinians 10 to 20 Palestinian civilians are killed by the Jews. Who are the murderous animals?
Yup, voted unanimously by 51 member states:Jewish Palestine?
LEAGUE OF NATIONS MANDATE FOR PALESTINE (Eretz-Israel)
TOGETHER WITH A
NOTE BY THE SECRETARY-GENERAL
RELATING TO ITS APPLICATION TO THE
TERRITORY KNOWN AS TRANS-JORDAN,
under the provisions of Article 25
Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty,
December, 1922.
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people
Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and
Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and
Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and
And that flopped big time.
None of that had anything to do with the creation of Israel.
Oh but its more than true. Israelis were human enough to pass out leaflets and make phone calls. Palestinian animals on the other hand pray they can kill more Jewish children. They are a sick, barbaric depraved culture, with no respect for life. Here are the animals you adore and falsely compare:"Especially if the psychos are Palestinian animals who fire from top of those apartment buildings"
Even if it were true, why would the Palestinians have to fire at attacking Israeli aircraft, if Israel was not doing the attacking?
The Israelis have a 10/20 to 1 or so kill ratio of civilians. For every Israeli civilian killed by the Palestinians 10 to 20 Palestinian civilians are killed by the Jews. Who are the murderous animals?
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And Israel killed 1400 Palestinians during Cast Lead.
NO REGRETS!
What is your point?
Yup, voted unanimously by 51 member states:Jewish Palestine?
LEAGUE OF NATIONS MANDATE FOR PALESTINE (Eretz-Israel)
TOGETHER WITH A
NOTE BY THE SECRETARY-GENERAL
RELATING TO ITS APPLICATION TO THE
TERRITORY KNOWN AS TRANS-JORDAN,
under the provisions of Article 25
Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty,
December, 1922.
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people
Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and
Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and
Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and
Why do you leave the most important part out? Why are you so childish. You think we wouldn't see it. What a little punk you are. Read the bold print over and over again.
The UN's partition plan, creating a gerrymandered area where Jews would have a slight majority, allowing Jews to rule over Christians and Muslims, contravened the terms of the Mandate. Having Jews rule over Christians and Muslims "might" have (and the word in the Mandate is "might") prejudiced "the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"
"....Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and...."
Eh Tinmore, got news for you. Long before there were any Muslims at all let alone Muslim Palestinians, there were the indigenous Palestinian Jews. Hurts huh?
Jewish Palestine?
OK, so? When Palestine was created by post war treaties, none of that mattered. The People who normally lived there became citizens of Palestine. They did not sift through the ashes of history looking for reasons to exclude anyone.
OK, so? When Palestine was created by post war treaties, none of that mattered. The People who normally lived there became citizens of Palestine. They did not sift through the ashes of history looking for reasons to exclude anyone.
When Palestine the WHAT was created?
It doesn't matter. Even people in non self governing territories have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.
