Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This is another misunderstanding you have.

... The Palestinians have never surrendered or ceded any land to Israel.

(COMMENT)

The territory was NEVER under the sovereignty to the Arab Palestinians or the Arab Higher Committee or the PLO to → surrendered or ceded to Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

Palestine remains to be a non self governing territory ...

On the contrary, there are currently TWO fully self-governing Palestinians territories -- Jordan (Arab Palestinians) and Israel (Jewish Palestinians).

The Palestinians have never surrendered or ceded any land to Israel.

But they did surrender or cede land to Jordan. How did that happen?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not surprisingly, the report assigns no responsibility for the situation to Hamas, which has governed the Gaza Strip for a decade, encouraging an endless string of confrontations with Israel and Egypt, which have led to a deepening isolation of Gaza and its people. The Palestinian Authority is mentioned as a major culprit, for its decision to “reduce the monthly payments by $30 million to the area.”; the Government of Israel should “support a conducive environment for economic growth by lifting restrictions on trade and allowing the movement of goods and people, without which the economic situation in Gaza will never improve.”; and the US cuts to the tune of $50 to $60 million per year in aid program, combined with the cuts to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency program.

But not a word about Hamas, possibly because the authors take it for granted that Hamas is the chief culprit in the demise of Gaza’s economy, so there’s no need to mention it.

The only possible reference to Hamas and its disastrous management of the Strip is expressed toward the conclusion of the press release: “Legitimate institutions to govern Gaza in a transparent and efficient manner and reforms to create a positive business environment are also necessary for sustained economic recovery.”

There’s one other reference to Hamas in the following quote from Wes: “The economic and social situation in Gaza has been declining for over a decade but has deteriorated exponentially in recent months and has reached a critical point. Increased frustration is feeding into the increased tensions which have already started spilling over into unrest and setting back the human development of the region’s large youth population.”

This might indicate a possible reference to Hamas’ involvement in driving their economy down to the pits of darkness over the past few months, but who knows, maybe it’s global warming.

(full article online)

World Bank Reports Gaza Economy in Collapse

"A Deliberate Cruelty: Rendering Gaza Unviable" with Dr. Sara Roy

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This is another misunderstanding you have.

... The Palestinians have never surrendered or ceded any land to Israel.

(COMMENT)

The territory was NEVER under the sovereignty to the Arab Palestinians or the Arab Higher Committee or the PLO to → surrendered or ceded to Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. A country does not cease to exist due to occupation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine remains to be a non self governing territory ...

On the contrary, there are currently TWO fully self-governing Palestinians territories -- Jordan (Arab Palestinians) and Israel (Jewish Palestinians).

The Palestinians have never surrendered or ceded any land to Israel.

But they did surrender or cede land to Jordan. How did that happen?

Not really. Jordan hand picked some Palestinian "leaders" who would go along with their annexation plan.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This is another misunderstanding you have.

... The Palestinians have never surrendered or ceded any land to Israel.

(COMMENT)

The territory was NEVER under the sovereignty to the Arab Palestinians or the Arab Higher Committee or the PLO to → surrendered or ceded to Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. A country does not cease to exist due to occupation.

What country was occupied?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

 

[Hollie]

Palestine remains to be a non self governing territory ...

On the contrary, there are currently TWO fully self-governing Palestinians territories -- Jordan (Arab Palestinians) and Israel (Jewish Palestinians).

The Palestinians have never surrendered or ceded any land to Israel.

But they did surrender or cede land to Jordan. How did that happen?

Not really. Jordan hand picked some Palestinian "leaders" who would go along with their annexation plan.

This belongs in the “Conspiracy Theory” section.

 

[Shusha]

Palestine remains to be a non self governing territory ...

On the contrary, there are currently TWO fully self-governing Palestinians territories -- Jordan (Arab Palestinians) and Israel (Jewish Palestinians).

The Palestinians have never surrendered or ceded any land to Israel.

But they did surrender or cede land to Jordan. How did that happen?

Not really. Jordan hand picked some Palestinian "leaders" who would go along with their annexation plan.

So, you believe Jordan is also occupied Palestinian territory? Yes or no?

 

[Hollie]

Not surprisingly, the report assigns no responsibility for the situation to Hamas, which has governed the Gaza Strip for a decade, encouraging an endless string of confrontations with Israel and Egypt, which have led to a deepening isolation of Gaza and its people. The Palestinian Authority is mentioned as a major culprit, for its decision to “reduce the monthly payments by $30 million to the area.”; the Government of Israel should “support a conducive environment for economic growth by lifting restrictions on trade and allowing the movement of goods and people, without which the economic situation in Gaza will never improve.”; and the US cuts to the tune of $50 to $60 million per year in aid program, combined with the cuts to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency program.

But not a word about Hamas, possibly because the authors take it for granted that Hamas is the chief culprit in the demise of Gaza’s economy, so there’s no need to mention it.

The only possible reference to Hamas and its disastrous management of the Strip is expressed toward the conclusion of the press release: “Legitimate institutions to govern Gaza in a transparent and efficient manner and reforms to create a positive business environment are also necessary for sustained economic recovery.”

There’s one other reference to Hamas in the following quote from Wes: “The economic and social situation in Gaza has been declining for over a decade but has deteriorated exponentially in recent months and has reached a critical point. Increased frustration is feeding into the increased tensions which have already started spilling over into unrest and setting back the human development of the region’s large youth population.”

This might indicate a possible reference to Hamas’ involvement in driving their economy down to the pits of darkness over the past few months, but who knows, maybe it’s global warming.

(full article online)

World Bank Reports Gaza Economy in Collapse

"A Deliberate Cruelty: Rendering Gaza Unviable" with Dr. Sara Roy

She needs to get on the Hamas payroll.

Hamas second-richest terror group in world, Forbes says

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine remains to be a non self governing territory ...

On the contrary, there are currently TWO fully self-governing Palestinians territories -- Jordan (Arab Palestinians) and Israel (Jewish Palestinians).

The Palestinians have never surrendered or ceded any land to Israel.

But they did surrender or cede land to Jordan. How did that happen?

Not really. Jordan hand picked some Palestinian "leaders" who would go along with their annexation plan.

This belongs in the “Conspiracy Theory” section.

Why do you post here when you know so little?

In December 1948, at a conference which took place in Jericho, a group of hand-picked leaders of Palestinian Arabs resolved to ask King Abdullah of Transjordan to incorporate the Arab parts of Palestine into his kingdom.

Annexation of the West Bank by the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan​

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine remains to be a non self governing territory ...

On the contrary, there are currently TWO fully self-governing Palestinians territories -- Jordan (Arab Palestinians) and Israel (Jewish Palestinians).

The Palestinians have never surrendered or ceded any land to Israel.

But they did surrender or cede land to Jordan. How did that happen?

Not really. Jordan hand picked some Palestinian "leaders" who would go along with their annexation plan.

So, you believe Jordan is also occupied Palestinian territory? Yes or no?

No.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

 

[Hollie]

Palestine remains to be a non self governing territory ...

On the contrary, there are currently TWO fully self-governing Palestinians territories -- Jordan (Arab Palestinians) and Israel (Jewish Palestinians).

The Palestinians have never surrendered or ceded any land to Israel.

But they did surrender or cede land to Jordan. How did that happen?

Not really. Jordan hand picked some Palestinian "leaders" who would go along with their annexation plan.

This belongs in the “Conspiracy Theory” section.

Why do you post here when you know so little?

In December 1948, at a conference which took place in Jericho, a group of hand-picked leaders of Palestinian Arabs resolved to ask King Abdullah of Transjordan to incorporate the Arab parts of Palestine into his kingdom.

Annexation of the West Bank by the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan​

Why do you cut and paste when your cutting and pasting is not supportive of your falsified claims?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine remains to be a non self governing territory ...

On the contrary, there are currently TWO fully self-governing Palestinians territories -- Jordan (Arab Palestinians) and Israel (Jewish Palestinians).

The Palestinians have never surrendered or ceded any land to Israel.

But they did surrender or cede land to Jordan. How did that happen?

Not really. Jordan hand picked some Palestinian "leaders" who would go along with their annexation plan.

This belongs in the “Conspiracy Theory” section.

Why do you post here when you know so little?

In December 1948, at a conference which took place in Jericho, a group of hand-picked leaders of Palestinian Arabs resolved to ask King Abdullah of Transjordan to incorporate the Arab parts of Palestine into his kingdom.

Annexation of the West Bank by the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan​

Why do you cut and paste when your cutting and pasting is not supportive of your falsified claims?

 

[Hollie]

On the contrary, there are currently TWO fully self-governing Palestinians territories -- Jordan (Arab Palestinians) and Israel (Jewish Palestinians).

But they did surrender or cede land to Jordan. How did that happen?

Not really. Jordan hand picked some Palestinian "leaders" who would go along with their annexation plan.

This belongs in the “Conspiracy Theory” section.

Why do you post here when you know so little?

In December 1948, at a conference which took place in Jericho, a group of hand-picked leaders of Palestinian Arabs resolved to ask King Abdullah of Transjordan to incorporate the Arab parts of Palestine into his kingdom.

Annexation of the West Bank by the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan​

Why do you cut and paste when your cutting and pasting is not supportive of your falsified claims?

Your cartoons aside, who “hand picked” the Pal’istanian leaders?

 

[Shusha]

Palestine remains to be a non self governing territory ...

On the contrary, there are currently TWO fully self-governing Palestinians territories -- Jordan (Arab Palestinians) and Israel (Jewish Palestinians).

The Palestinians have never surrendered or ceded any land to Israel.

But they did surrender or cede land to Jordan. How did that happen?

Not really. Jordan hand picked some Palestinian "leaders" who would go along with their annexation plan.

So, you believe Jordan is also occupied Palestinian territory? Yes or no?

No.

Okay. So Palestine ceded territory to Jordan. How did that happen?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are really confused.

Answer four questions:

a ) What constitutes the permanent population?
b ) Where did Palestine as a self-governing institution find its territory?
c ) What is the legitimate Government of this state?
d) Does the State of Palestine have the capacity to enter into relations with the other states?​

The State of Palestine did not become an embryonic and self-governing institution until the PLO declared independence. Independence of what was unknown at the time.

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This is another misunderstanding you have.

... The Palestinians have never surrendered or ceded any land to Israel.

(COMMENT)

The territory was NEVER under the sovereignty to the Arab Palestinians or the Arab Higher Committee or the PLO to → surrendered or ceded to Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. A country does not cease to exist due to occupation.

(COMMENT)
To "cease to exist" it must first "exist." Answer the four questions. (Just for starters.)

I'm not sure what you are talking about. I did not say that "Occupation Requires Sovereignty." BUT. the Palestinians cannot truly claim to have a state if --- event before it came into existence, the territory was already controlled by the Israelis.

You don't have an argument for the existence of a sovereign state.

• When and where did the Arab Palestinians secure an independent and self-governing state?
​

A state does not come into existence just be a few words on a piece of paper. You don't create a State, just by saying: I'm a State!

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

• When and where did the Arab Palestinians secure an independent and self-governing state?
​

Jordan.