Who are the real traitors?

[Vermonter]

Traitors....

They're not the Democrats. Not the Republicans, not the KKK who are southern Democrats who are actually Republicans in disguise etc.

The traitors are the politicians who have made a lifetime career in Washington, and everywhere else. We were supposed to have a "citizen government" where you served, and went back home.

We have politicians who have been feeding at the public trough for so long some don't even have a home back in their "home state". Their home is Washington, DC.

They profit from "serving". Most legislators come to Washington as normal people and leave as multimillionaires. So they pass laws for their benefit, not America's. They vote themselves a pension, free haircuts, car service, parking, worldwide trips, and then have the nerve to claim they don't get paid enough!
Barney Fwank never worked one day in the private sector, yet left Washington filthy rich.

They pass laws concentrating their power in Washington, and ignoring the 50 states with their own individual Constitutions. The US Constitution defers to the States, but Now the states serve Washington.

They spend money like there's no tomorrow. And frankly, I believe they're right. We are so deep in debt we have to come up with 17 trillion dollars just so we can say we're broke! It's like the guy who lost everything and wants to declare bankruptcy. But he has to come up with $1500 cash to pay the lawyer first.

We have 535 Traitors in Washington. Some are there so long they are 100 years old and come in drooling over the paperwork in front of them.

They need to go home and live on Social Security when they get old, and live under the laws they exempted themselves from while they were in Washington.

The absolute best way to make them go home is to eliminate the pension.

 

[natstew]

Bill Clinton, by Executive Order, transferred top secret missile guidance technology from the Energy Department to the Commerce Department so it could be sold to the Communist Chinese in return for hundreds of thousands in campaign contributions from the Chinese Government into the Clinton campaign.
We now have Communist Chinese nuclear warheads aimed at us as a result of that.

That is treason any way you spin it!

Bullshit.

No, it's not bullshit, It's history:
CLINTON'S ROGUES GALLERY:

This is not from Fox, it's from most media outlets at the time:

USA Today 5/19/99 "...In 1996, the Administration transferred the licensing authority for exporting satellite technology from the State Department, which had opposed giving new technology to China, to the Commerce Department, which immediately approved the transfer. Given the green light by the Commerce Department, Loral Corporation provided China with missile technology to improve its satellite launch and guidance systems. This same technology can be used to improve the performance of missiles aimed at the United States. Loral is headed by Bernard Schwartz, one of the largest Democratic donors in the '96 election cycle...."

World Net Daily 7/21/98 Charles Smith ".President Clinton signed a SECOND part to the waiver for Loral's Globalstar system in July of 1996. The second part of the Clinton waiver was not for satellites to Russia but allowed Loral to sell an encrypted telemetry control ground station to China for the Loral Globalstar satellites. The station has already been built and has opened just outside of Beijing.."In March 1996," wrote Reinsch in his recent letter to Spence. "The export of a ground station which contained encryption would have been under the jurisdiction of the State Department." In 1996, encrypted telemetry was a separate item -- not controlled by the Commerce Department. The only way to dodge the State Department sanctions on the export of satellite encryption to China was by obtaining Bill Clinton's signature. On July 9, 1996, Bill Clinton signed the waiver for Loral."

Capitol Hill Blue 4/22/99 Doug Thompson "...In 1996, the Clinton administration, over the objection of the CIA and the Defense Department, approved the sale of sensitive satellite technology to China by Loral, a company headed by Clinton campaign contributor Bernard Schwartz. That technology, intelligence analyst Owen says, was a key component in developing the missile technology that China is using to developing a delivery system for its new nuclear weapons. "Countries spy on each other, that's a fact of life," Owen says. "But usually the country that is being spied on doesn't give the one doing the spying this much help." ..."

Wall Street Journal 4/14/98 Editorial "…President Clinton approved the transfer of missile guidance technology to China at the behest of the largest personal contributor to the Democratic Party. He granted the needed waiver despite an ongoing Department of Justice criminal investigation of the same company's earlier transfer of similar technology: a Pentagon study concluding that in the earlier episode "United States national security has been harmed." That is the essence of a report yesterday by Jeff Gerth of the New York Times (who also reported the original Whitewater story in 1992) concerning satellite launch technology provided by Loral Space and Communications and Hughes Electronics, a subsidiary of General Motors. Loral Chairman Bernard L. Schwartz topped the personal contributions list in 1997; his 1994 trip to China with Commerce Secretary Ron Brown was quickly followed by a memo to the President from Harold Ickes saying Mr. Schwartz "is prepared to do anything he can for the Administration." Lobbying jointly with Hughes Chairman C. Michael Armstrong, who has gone on to head AT&T, Mr. Schwartz succeeded in softening licensing requirements for export of guidance technology to China…."

Newsmax.com 3/11/99 Chris Ruddy "…Another oft cited example of the administration's method of reclassifying military secrets surfaced in a 1998 New York Times report by Jeff Gerth. Gerth revealed that in 1996, Loral, an American aerospace company, had, without a license, provided China with ballistic missile technology that enabled China to improve its rocket guidance systems. When the Justice Department began a grand jury probe of this apparent illegal transfer, President Clinton quickly reclassified the technology and approved its transfer, effectively undermining the Justice Department's case against Loral…."

Wall Street Journal 3/11/99 Editorial "…On their own the security lapses would be serious enough….. But the story's context invites an even more chilling conclusion. The Clinton Administration's inaction, after all, did not occur in a vacuum. It came in the thick of a 1996 re-election effort we now know included campaign contributions from those with ties to the Chinese government, its military and even its intelligence organizations In other words, at the same time the FBI and CIA were investigating the source of the Los Alamos leak, Vice President Al Gore was passing the hat among inexplicably wealthy Buddhist nuns, Mr. Clinton was serving coffee at the White House to PLA arms dealer Wang Jun and the Administration responded favorably to a request from a man who would be the Democratic Party's largest donor in 1996--Loral Chairman Bernard L. Schwartz--to transfer authority over licensing of satellite technology from the State to Commerce Department. Two years later Loral would be granted a Presidential waiver to export its technology to China, even though it was under criminal investigation by the Justice Department for previous technology transfers….More to the point here, neither of Mr. Clinton's predecessors involved their foreign policy people in campaign politics the way this Administration has. What makes Sandy Berger's lack of action on the espionage front so scandalous is that as deputy National Security Adviser in 1996 he sat in on the weekly White House meetings about the re-election campaign. And he wasn't alone. The President himself chaired a September 13, 1995, meeting after which Johnny Huang--Lippo's man at the Commerce Department--was transferred to the Democratic National Committee. The result was that a man suspected of having compromised national security continued at his post, and foreign scientists were allowed to visit lab facilities without background checks. Indeed, the White House began to tighten things at Los Alamos only late last year, after the arrival of Bill Richardson at Energy and after a bipartisan committee convened by Rep. Chris Cox looked into issues of Chinese espionage and technology transfer. Over at Justice, meanwhile, the Attorney General resolutely refused to follow the recommendations of either FBI director Louis Freeh or her handpicked prosecutor, Charles La Bella, to appoint an independent counsel to look into any Chinese connection to the 1996 campaign…."

Softwar 3/10/99 Charles Smith "…COSTIND Lt. General Shen met with Ron Brown and CEO of Loral Bernard Schwartz in 1994. General Shen's son, Shen Jun, was also the lead engineer for satellite software at Hughes. …"

Omaha World Herald 3/10/99 Editorial Board "…Bereuter has said before that two American companies, Loral Space and Communications and Hughes Electronics Corp., have broken the law in the 1990s by giving China access to unauthorized technological materials. Both companies contract with China to launch satellites. China uses the same type of missile for commercial and military launches, Bereuter said, so Loral and Hughes are subject to restrictions on how much they can help China improve its missile technology. He said the companies are required to keep satellite technology to themselves. Bereuter suspects that Loral and Hughes shared prohibited missile and satellite technology. He said he believes Loral was especially brazen in violating national security laws in order to curry better business relations with China. When congressional investigators tried to pursue the matter, Bereuter said, the Justice Department told them to back off, that Justice was conducting its own criminal investigation. That, Bereuter said, does not inspire confidence. He said Justice may be shielding Loral rather investigating it. He noted that Bernard Schwartz, Loral's chairman, was the largest individual donor to the Democratic Party last year and has given the party more than $1 million in recent years…."

Capitol Hill Blue 3/17/99 Doug Thompson "… The Clinton administration, busy approving the sale of sensitive technology to China, ignored warnings in 1996 from a senior Energy Department Official who said security at the nation's nuclear weapons labs were lax and needed to be tightened immediately, department sources tell Capitol Hill Blue. The official, Deputy Secretary of Energy Charles Curtis, ordered a tightening of security at the national labs, but his orders were never implemented and were also ignored by incoming Secretary of Energy Fredrico Pena when he took office in March, 1997. The White House was also aware of Curtis's order, but chose to ignore it, DOE sources say. At the time, President Clinton was approving the sale of sensitive nuclear technology to China by Loral, a company headed by one of his largest campaign contributors. The revelations directly contradict earlier claims by administration officials that they first learned of the lapses in security in the summer of 1997, more than eight months after Curtis tried to take action. Pena claims he was unaware of the order by Curtis, who left the agency shortly after he became Secretary of Energy, but other Energy Department sources say the new Secretary was fully briefed on the concerns about security at the national labs. "If Pena says he didn't know about this, he's a goddamned liar," an angry DOE official said Tuesday. "There is no way an incoming secretary of energy wouldn't be briefed on something as important as this. I know for a fact that this information was part of his initial briefing materials." …"

FoxNews 3/17/99 Crier report interviews Timperlake author of Year of the Rat – Freeper Jobim reports "…Why did Clinton sell out? For the money. A quest for power. Then you need to cover your tracks. Riadys had John Huang working with them for a long time. Riady $ was to get Huang in the government. Hubbell was at ground zero in the entire conspiracy. Huang got clearance 5 &1/2 months before he showed up for work. Huang received documents that were stamped: COULD LEAD TO HANDLERS DEATH. 1996 - Clinton needed money. Loral sends committee over to help the Chinese. Berger gave Loral a get-out-of-jail-free card. 20 missiles have ready capability to go to 200 with miniature nuke tips…." "…Bob McMillan: "unorthodox procedures" allowed China to take control of both Panama Canal ports. Chinese investments are continuing to grow in Panama. 12/31 are troops are gone and 80% of Panamanians want us there. Why?…"
FoxNews 3/17/99 Crier report interviews Timperlake author of Year of the Rat – Freeper ohmlaw98 reports "..Hubbell at center...Enter Riady hush money Huang ....no record of actual birth date.....39 cia biefings.....109 meetings with CI...."Release to unauthorized source could result in death" Huang...$5.00 charged to US taxpayer from residence in PRC Pass secrets to Lippo through Stevens & co. after briefings with CI Loral..donations total 2.2 million severe opposition for justice... "get out of jail free " W-88 space launch vehicle 200 thermnuclear devices in near future... severe deterrence problems and proliferation problems with China in near future.....Timperlake served on Rules Committee investigation team with Solomon..Johnny Chung....Background identification? [B R E A K] Robert McMillan..Panama Canal control by China/PLA via Riady....Johnny Chung brought individuals from China..Liu Chioying....Marswell...300,000...been to spy schools....Triplett co-author....Have 2 ports at each end due to unorthodox procedures by Ambassador ?....Liu involved in Panama deal for $22,000,000...McMillan...Clinton "absolutely asleep" negotiating the continuation of troops in panama 80% of citizens in Panama wanted US Troops to remain.....Timperlake.....Arms running.....Administration has not invoked any proliferation laws....N Korea & China sharing "overheads" with missle tech. Chinese military curve accelerating upward on Clinton's watch..He took the money and said I don't care...."

Washington Weekly Carl Limbacher 6/1/98 "… According to a Scripps Howard report by Michael Hedges, which ran on the front page of the March 14, 1997 edition of the Arkansas Democrat Gazette, the Clinton administration granted Wang Jun's Poly Technologies importation permits to flood America with over 100,000 semi-automatic weapons and millions of rounds of ammunition -- despite the president's own cherished gun ban. That was on Feb. 2, 1996 -- just days before Clinton issued the first satellite waivers for Loral Corp…. …"

Insight 4/19/99 Timothy Maier "… But Clinton and Gore have much explaining to do. Both knew about the Los Alamos espionage in 1995, yet they continued to entertain Chinese generals by allowing them to tour nuclear facilities and gladly received financial donations from Beijing and its friends. A year after the theft of nuclear secrets was discovered, instead of exposing the spies, Clinton made it easier for Beijing agents. He transferred licensing requirements from the State to the sales-oriented Commerce Department. This accelerated the pace at which Beijing obtained dual-use technology to build nuclear weapons and missiles.. . Next came the most significant damage to U.S. security since the days of the Rosenbergs. Dr. Wah Lim, then a Loral Space and Communications scientist, headed a team of scientists studying Beijing's rocket failures when he called his assistant to fax to China a sensitive accident-analysis report that intelligence agents say greatly enhanced the accuracy of Beijing's missiles. Lim's attorney calls it a "technical violation." But Lim, now with Hughes Electronics, is the target of a U.S. Justice probe…."I've heard from people who have seen the Cox report," says Henry Sokolski, a former Pentagon nonproliferation official who now heads the Washington-based Nonproliferation Policy Education Center, "and the damage goes far beyond the W-88 issue. It's pretty bad." Some have jumped the gun by claiming this espionage is comparable to the Rosenberg case, but it is not yet at that level, Sokolski says. "The Rosenbergs helped confirm our worst fears and validated the hard line towards Russia. The jury is still out as to whether this is as important as the Rosenbergs because we haven't seen any change in policy toward China. Not yet."….."For the longest time U.S. analysts on China have emphasized how small China's nuclear forces have been and how they have remained that way," says Sokolski. "The significance of this latest incident shows that it is much more sophisticated and significantly larger.". Indeed, the whole South China Sea region, including the Republic of China on Taiwan, the Philippines, Malaysia and Japan, is at risk of nuclear bullying or even attack. Many of these countries have been in a serious dispute with China concerning the Spratley Islands, believed to be rich in oil reserves. A 27-page Pentagon report obtained by Insight anticipates an attack by China against Taiwan in 2005. The report, requested by Sen. Frank H. Murkowski, an Alaska Republican, describes the current relationship between China and Taiwan as "calm" in the wake of Beijing's test launch of missiles in March 1996 but projects a very serious situation within six years….."

Creators Syndicate 3/2/99 Linda Bowles "…Why did this administration obfuscate, stonewall, and cover up this devastating breach of national security? Let's set the stage. The 1996 election campaign was in full swing. Despite warnings from the FBI that the Chinese were planning to buy influence in the elections, "For Sale" signs had been hung up on the White House, and various Chinese hustlers, gun runners and communist officials were rubbing shoulders with the president of the United States. Millions of dollars from various Asian sources were being funneled to Democrats. Some of the money came directly from the Chinese People's Liberation Army…. The same year, hundreds of Chinese "visitors" without security clearances toured Los Alamos, some of them, no doubt, on their way to White House receptions. Background checks for visitors at Los Alamos were not required until early in 1999, a full 17 months after a recommendation by the FBI. In 1996, against the advice of then Secretary of State Warren Christopher and experts in the Defense Department, Bill Clinton lifted a long-standing policy of severe restrictions on the export of American satellites to China for launch on Chinese rockets. He moved control over such decisions from the security-oriented State Department to the let's-make-a-deal Commerce Department run by the late Ron Brown….. But when the dust cleared, the Democrats got money from satellite companies and from Chinese communists; China got supercomputors, advanced production equipment and missile technology; Loral got its satellites launched at bargain basement prices; and the American people got shafted. The theft from Los Alamos gave the Chinese the capability to produce highly sophisticated nuclear bombs. And on Clinton's watch, the transfer of sensitive missile technology gave them the capability of depositing the bombs on American cities…."

Investors Business Daily 3/30/99 Paul Sperry "…In auditing former Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary's bloated travel budget in June 1996, House Commerce Committee investigators didn't really focus on her China trip any more than her other three overseas ''trade missions.'' ….Fast forward to 1999. Committee investigators now know that: Chinese spies stole the U.S.' latest nuclear missile secrets from Los Alamos and possibly other labs that Energy owns, thanks in part to the security cuts O'Leary made in February 1995 - the same month she went to China….. Beijing bagmen -including John Huang, Charlie Trie and Johnny Chung - beat a path to the White House during the 1996 campaign, raising millions in illegal cash. Chung claims to have bribed O'Leary into meeting with a Chinese petrochemical industry official in October 1995. Former Commerce Secretary Ron Brown allegedly ''sold'' tax-paid seats on his own China trip to big Democratic Party donors like Loral Corp. CEO Bernard Schwartz, who cut a controversial satellite export deal with Beijing officials.….. Schwartz, for one, joined Brown's key China mission just two months after writing a check to the DNC for $100,000 …….. Some experts fear there might be a link between recent Chinese espionage and the administration's trade trips to China. Computer encryption, satellite and energy secrets would be the three most likely things compromised on the trips, they say. Officials with both Commerce and Energy assert that business delegates got ''counterintelligence briefings'' at the airport before takeoff. But according to Layton's report, the China group wasn't briefed until ''the secretary met (them) in Shanghai,'' their first stop, on Feb. 19, 1995. …."

WorldNetDaily 3/30/99 Charles Smith "…People's Republic of China Premier Zhu Rongji and President Bill Clinton are scheduled to meet in the White House on April 8, 1999….Zhu is so well known in the White House that this author had to use a lawsuit in federal court to obtain information on the Chinese leader. The material on Zhu was provided directly to Bernard Schwartz by President Clinton in 1994 just prior to the now infamous August 1994 trade trip to Beijing with Ron Brown. ….in 1994, Zhu was also the Communist inner party backer of General Ding Henggao, commander of COSTIND (the Chinese Commission of Science Technology and Industry for National Defense). In 1994, Schwartz, then the CEO of Loral Aerospace and a million-dollar donor to the DNC, requested to meet with Lt. General Shen Roujun, vice minister of COSTIND, and various other members of the Communist government. Vice Minister Shen (a.k.a. Lt. General Shen) was then working for the mastermind of Chinese espionage, General Ding Henggao, the commander of COSTIND. Schwartz also met with the prime political backer of COSTIND General Ding inside the all-important Communist Central Committee (CCC), Zhu Rongji. The PLA obtained various advanced technologies from Schwartz and his Loral Corporation with the blessing of Ron Brown. General Shen, General Ding, and Schwartz all made themselves rich on western technology, while passing advanced military technology to the Chinese Army. Schwartz, of course, passed some of that money back to Bill Clinton in the form of political donations…."

WorldNetDaily 3/30/99 Charles Smith "…General Ding and the PLA also passed money directly to Clinton through various agents such as Johnny Chung and Charlie Trie. In exchange, the PRC warlords got access to U.S. secrets other than W88 nuclear bombs. For example, Lt. General Shen's son, Shen Jun, was the lead software engineer for Hughes on all Chinese satellites. Loral provided the PLA with radiation-hardened encrypted telemetry control systems such as the missing board of chips from the 1996 Intelsat crash. In fact, according to the State Department, Loral satellite CDMA communications technology was preferred by the PLA. According to a 1996 Department of State cable to President Clinton by Beijing Ambassador Sasser, the PLA was using money from Chinese billionaire Li Ka-Shing to finance Chinese army communications systems….."

WorldNetDaily 3/30/99 Charles Smith "…Loral's Schwartz also decided to purchase a low-cost Russian rocket to put the CDMA Globalstar system into orbit. Schwartz had to get Clinton to personally sign a waiver in July of 1996 that Commerce official William Reinsch worked on in 1995, prior to Commerce oversight of the Loral satellites. The 1996 presidential waiver for the Loral export included two fully operational, encrypted, telemetry control stations to be built inside China. Loral even requested the presidential waiver be held back and then modified during the FBI investigation of the missing encryption chips from the Loral satellites. The modified waiver included the new telemetry stations for Beijing….. Both Clinton and Zhu would like you to forget about the August 1994 meeting with million-dollar DNC donor Bernard Schwartz and Lt. General Shen. Both Clinton and Zhu would rather carry out their plans in secret, behind closed door, negotiations. ….."

The Union Leader 4/23/99 Richard Lessner "...The link between the Clinton-Gore campaign and Red China's military intelligence chief, however, may only be the tip of the illegal contribution iceberg. Millions in Asian money flowed into the Clinton-Gore campaign and the Democratic Party from sources connected to Beijing. The money trail suggests that the Communists used various corporations and business figures as cut-outs to conceal the real source of the contributions. It is this fund-raising nexus between Red China and the Clinton-Gore campaign that elevates Beijing's nuclear spying above the level of a garden variety espionage affair. Was the Clinton administration's inattention to security, and failure to act when informed of Red China's spying at our top secret nuclear weapons labs, related to the campaign funds that were flowing in from Asia? Already one Energy Department official has testified under oath that, when he tried to blow the whistle on lax security at the Los Alamos lab, he was warned off by a Clinton appointee, who ordered the man to withhold from Congress what he knew about possible espionage. The man was told that those investigating possible espionage were interested only in damaging President Clinton and his policy toward China. It also is highly suspicious that the President personally waived export restrictions on the transfer of missile guidance technology to China for two U.S. aerospace firms - Loral and Hughes - whose executives were among the largest contributors to the Clinton-Gore campaign....No, it's not espionage that is troubling; the Clinton administration's lackadaisical attitude toward security is the concern. That and the possibility our secrets were compromised for political motives and campaign contributions. So far, however, this scandal has yet to spark much public outrage. One reason for this, we suspect, is that the affair has been almost totally neglected by the major TV networks. Contrast this with the Iran-Contra scandal, which led the network evening news shows night after night, the Chinagate affair has been conspicuous in its absence. And imagine for a moment the media firestorm had Ronald Reagan or George Bush taken an illegal campaign contribution from the military intelligence chief of a right-wing dictatorship that was simultaneously stealing our nuclear weapons secrets! ..."

Commentmax.com 4/29/99 Tony Snow "... The trouble began when Clinton effectively abolished export controls on China in 1994. The decision invited American businesses to get rich by trading away our security….. Satellite and rocke.....................................

So sallow............you supported a traitor and still do. That kinda makes you a traitor!

 

[frigidweirdo]

No it's not.

Well that's meaningful.

Just about at the level you've indicated you can comprehend.

Coming from a dude who can't write more than a line at a time.........
Why do I waste my time?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Being a traitor is telling the Russians you'll be more flexible after the election......

Just that?

No.

Just a prime example.


Democrats help our enemies in numerous ways. I don't have the time nor the inclination to go into great detail because you know this anyway. You've been told it's okay.

Okay, and why is this an example of a traitor?

 

[Unkotare]

Well that's meaningful.

Just about at the level you've indicated you can comprehend.

Coming from a dude who can't write more than a line at a time.........
Why do I waste my time?

Why do you waste everyone's time?

 

[natstew]

No comments on my proof positive of Clinton's treason?

I've got places to go and things to do, but before I go, Common Core is the biggest betrayal of the American People by the Federal Government since the incorrect ruling by the USSC that expression equals speech.

 

[Theowl32]

Just that?

No.

Just a prime example.


Democrats help our enemies in numerous ways. I don't have the time nor the inclination to go into great detail because you know this anyway. You've been told it's okay.

Okay, and why is this an example of a traitor?

I just cannot take it anymore!!!

 

[frigidweirdo]

Just about at the level you've indicated you can comprehend.

Coming from a dude who can't write more than a line at a time.........
Why do I waste my time?

Why do you waste everyone's time?

 

[Theowl32]

No comments on my proof positive of Clinton's treason?

I've got places to go and things to do, but before I go, Common Core is the biggest betrayal of the American People by the Federal Government since the incorrect ruling by the USSC that expression equals speech.

They sure as shit did not respond in the other thread when I listed 10 blatant crimes this president has committed against the constitution.

You know when you got them when they do not respond to you.

You know you really got under their skin when they respond with either their typical fallacies or hyperbole attacks. That is when it is all delicious. Like when sallow responds to anything.

 

[Theowl32]

Coming from a dude who can't write more than a line at a time.........
Why do I waste my time?

Why do you waste everyone's time?

Or with some emoticon that makes no sense at all.

 

[editec]

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

 

[BlindBoo]

None of the above.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Why do you waste everyone's time?

Or with some emoticon that makes no sense at all.

Why would I want to make sense with someone like that? I was actually just clapping his ability to just brush off other people's opinions with just pointless comments. I mean, who needs to think when they can just do that?

 

[Duped]

Anyone who has pledged to serve the people, but have put party, or personal interest first is a traitor!

This administration is the most treasonist bunch the country has ever known; their preeminent concern is their Marxist agenda. They have attempted to fundamentally change our country through prevarication, usurpation, and deceit; their agenda supersedes lawfulness!

 

[frigidweirdo]

Anyone who has pledged to serve the people, but have put party, or personal interest first is a traitor!

This administration is the most treasonist bunch the country has ever known; their preeminent concern is their Marxist agenda. They have attempted to fundamentally change our country through prevarication, usurpation, and deceit; their agenda supersedes lawfulness!

That's a lot of people. Hence why the US is as corrupt as hell, and why the system needs to change. PR is the way forward.

 

[Theowl32]

Anyone who has pledged to serve the people, but have put party, or personal interest first is a traitor!

This administration is the most treasonist bunch the country has ever known; their preeminent concern is their Marxist agenda. They have attempted to fundamentally change our country through prevarication, usurpation, and deceit; their agenda supersedes lawfulness!

That's a lot of people. Hence why the US is as corrupt as hell, and why the system needs to change. PR is the way forward.

Give us a system that you have learned from one of our institutions of lower living that has taught that our system sucks and there is another one that is flawless.

Go ahead and tell us which system is not corrupt.

Give us an example.

Well, there must be at least one you are thinking of. Which one?

Get ready folks, for a whole lot of bullshit.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Give us a system that you have learned from one of our institutions of lower living that has taught that our system sucks and there is another one that is flawless.

Go ahead and tell us which system is not corrupt.

Give us an example.

Well, there must be at least one you are thinking of. Which one?

Get ready folks, for a whole lot of bullshit.

So, you're predicting my response before I've even said it.

Are there systems without corruption? No, however there are plenty of govts in first world countries which work better, have less corruption.

Try Germany. They have PR with FPTP (That's First Past The post for the semi-illiterate, or, what Americans generally use when they got to the polls).
They have had coalition govts since WW2. Their govt is far more responsible, far more likely to work for the people, rather than big business.

You may try and push this into an all or nothing kind of debate, but that's never going to happen. Change can happen, and it can get better. It can't be perfect.

Bullshit?

 

[Theowl32]

Give us a system that you have learned from one of our institutions of lower living that has taught that our system sucks and there is another one that is flawless.

Go ahead and tell us which system is not corrupt.

Give us an example.

Well, there must be at least one you are thinking of. Which one?

Get ready folks, for a whole lot of bullshit.

So, you're predicting my response before I've even said it.

Are there systems without corruption? No, however there are plenty of govts in first world countries which work better, have less corruption.

Try Germany. They have PR with FPTP (That's First Past The post for the semi-illiterate, or, what Americans generally use when they got to the polls).
They have had coalition govts since WW2. Their govt is far more responsible, far more likely to work for the people, rather than big business.

You may try and push this into an all or nothing kind of debate, but that's never going to happen. Change can happen, and it can get better. It can't be perfect.

Bullshit?

Germany is better than here eh? Ok.

Now, give Germany the logistical problems of the US and see if their system is better.

You think the German government is not influenced by big business?

Holy shit.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Conservatives keep trying to equate the KKK with the Democratic party but it's just excruciatingly stupid. No one believes that except for Southern Republican mouth-breathers.

The KKK started in the SOUTH. In the SOUTHERN CONFEDERACY. IN THE SOUTHERN RACIST SLAVE-OWNING CONFEDERACY. The racist Southern failed Confederacy that is now racist Southern Republican. Do you understand? RACIST SOUTHERN DEMOCRAT BECAME RACIST SOUTHERN REPUBLICAN.

The key words there are "racist" and "southern".

They also say the left takes care of and cares about blacks, Jews, Mexicans.

They don't seem to realize they can't have it both ways.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Our current president is the biggest traitor this country has ever had. Harry Reid, Holder, Sebilius, they're right up there with him.

Actually, the biggest sellout to this country in recent memory is George Jr. (aka "Shrub"), because he let Cheney run over him and sell this country out to Halliburton and the corporations.

Face it................those at the top didn't get super defensive about their tax cuts until Jr. said it was all right (under the direction of Cheney).

I'd really like to know why Cheney and Jr. said that a tax cut was all right even after they'd started the war with Iraq? When you start a war, you don't give tax cuts, you get tax increases.

Do you think that WWII would have been won if the president at the time would have given tax cuts instead of asking for the country to contribute towards the war effort?

If we'd done tax cuts, we'd all be speaking German right now.

And you insist on repeating that tired old line. "Bush did it." I honestly don't understand how you could believe that. At any rate, you're calling a man who laid the foundation for Obama and his goons to capture Bin Laden a "sellout." Funny, my definition of a sellout is one who gives in to lobbyists. If you may recall, Obama gave in to the radical left and delayed the Keystone XL pipeline. Not even he knows how badly he will pay for it.



"Bush did it." Moving on.

I'd really like to know why Cheney and Jr. said that a tax cut was all right even after they'd started the war with Iraq? When you start a war, you don't give tax cuts, you get tax increases.

I honestly cannot believe you're insisting on raising taxes. Obama promised to end the Iraq war in 2008. The war went on three more years. When you start a war, you win it. Not tucking tail and running like bald faced cowards. I hate war. I loathe it. But I was also told never to run from a fight I started. The most powerful military in the world, and we have a pacifist in the White House, killing innocent civilians the middle east with drones. Pathetic. Even Bush wasn't that careless. You only support war when a liberal is waging it.

Do you think that WWII would have been won if the president at the time would have given tax cuts instead of asking for the country to contribute towards the war effort?

If we'd done tax cuts, we'd all be speaking German right now.

How would you know? Were you even alive back then? You demonstrate your ignorance on the subject. The Government borrowed money and sold war bonds to pay for the war. The only thing taxpayers were effected by was the inflation that resulted from all that printing of money. Besides, if it weren't for the sacrifices of those men and boys out there, we would be speaking German and Japanese.

Fact is, Bush DID DO IT.

And there's no way you traitors can deny it.