Who exactly are the rich that aren’t paying their fair share?

[Skull Pilot]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

What deductions do the so called rich get on their 1040 that you don't?

Posted them skull

No you posted deductions everyone gets. What are the deductions that only the rich get on their 1040 that you don't

 

[eddiew37]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

LOL okay what are these make believe rich only tax deductions?

5 tax deductions that favor the rich
JAY MACDONALD@OMNISAURUS
DECEMBER 7, 2011 in TAXES
ADVERTISEMENT

It’s good to be rich


When it comes to tax deductions, it is good to be rich — the richer, the better.

Middle-class America enjoys some of the same tax breaks as the wealthy on things like the mortgage interest on home loans, capital gains on retirement investments and donations made to charity.

However, the rich enjoy these deductions and others to a wildly disproportionate degree when compared to the rest of taxpayers. According to the National Priorities Project, America’s top earners will get an average tax cut of $66,384 in 2011 while the bottom 20 percent will realize an average tax savings of about $107.

Seth Hanlon, director of fiscal reform for the Center for American Progress, says that while all tax breaks are well-intended, the “upside-down” nature of some miss their target.

“Most people don’t see these as being government expenditures, but from an economic and budget point of view, they’re really the same thing as programs that spend money directly,” says Hanlon. “There are ways to reform them to make them work better.”

Many agree, including President Barack Obama, Warren Buffett and Bill Gates.

Here are five tax deductions that help the rich get richer.




The Most Common Overlooked Tax Breaks
Don't miss these tax breaks -- they could save you some cash.

Mortgage interest: a homeownership incentive?

The mortgage interest deduction on your federal tax return is intended to encourage homeownership by giving you a tax break on the interest you pay on your house note.

There is little question it benefits millions of middle-class homeowners as well as the wealthy. But does it provide a compelling financial incentive to own rather than rent? Not so much.

According to a study by The Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, mortgage interest deductions for households with incomes between $40,000 and $75,000 average just $523, while households with incomes above $250,000 enjoy an average write-off of $5,459, or more than 10 times as much.

You must itemize on IRS Form 1040 Schedule A to claim the deduction. If you do, you can also deduct the interest paid on a second home. The rich do both, but most of the middle class does neither.

“For millions of taxpayers, therefore, the mortgage interest deduction provides no added incentive to buy a home,” says Hanlon. “It makes no sense in terms of targeting the incentive at the people who need or could use it.”

Capital gains: how the rich get richer

Why does billionaire Warren Buffett pay less income tax than his secretary?

Two words: capital gains.

Long-term capital gains, which derive from the sale of investments such as stocks and bonds held for more than a year, are taxed at 15 percent. That’s well below the 35 percent maximum tax rate on ordinary income such as wages.

The preferential tax treatment of capital gains is widely viewed as regressive because the rich, who derive a disproportionate share of their income from capital gains, pay less than half of the tax rate on that income compared to middle-class wage earne

Buffet pays so little because he only pays himself a 100K a year salary.

If he was not the flaming hypocrite he is he would pay himself 10 million a year and pay the taxes he thinks he should pay

Here skull
The Tax Code for the Ultra-Rich vs. the One for Everyone Else - The ...
The Tax Code for the Ultra-Rich vs. the One for Everyone Else
Oct 15, 2016 - It's as though there's a separate set of laws for people with extreme amounts of wealth. ... In addition, they can donate stock to charity and claim a tax deduction for the full amount of the gift without ever having to pay taxes on the stock's increased value. And, if they die without selling the stock, its cost ...

 

[eddiew37]

According to Obama singles earning $200k and married couples making $250k are rich.

I agree with that. And there isn’t anything wrong with it.

Depending on where you live If you live in Repub Hicksville you'd be rich In NY not so much

 

[BluesLegend]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

LOL okay what are these make believe rich only tax deductions?

5 tax deductions that favor the rich
JAY MACDONALD@OMNISAURUS
DECEMBER 7, 2011 in TAXES
ADVERTISEMENT

It’s good to be rich


When it comes to tax deductions, it is good to be rich — the richer, the better.

Middle-class America enjoys some of the same tax breaks as the wealthy on things like the mortgage interest on home loans, capital gains on retirement investments and donations made to charity.

However, the rich enjoy these deductions and others to a wildly disproportionate degree when compared to the rest of taxpayers. According to the National Priorities Project, America’s top earners will get an average tax cut of $66,384 in 2011 while the bottom 20 percent will realize an average tax savings of about $107.

Seth Hanlon, director of fiscal reform for the Center for American Progress, says that while all tax breaks are well-intended, the “upside-down” nature of some miss their target.

“Most people don’t see these as being government expenditures, but from an economic and budget point of view, they’re really the same thing as programs that spend money directly,” says Hanlon. “There are ways to reform them to make them work better.”

Many agree, including President Barack Obama, Warren Buffett and Bill Gates.

Here are five tax deductions that help the rich get richer.




The Most Common Overlooked Tax Breaks
Don't miss these tax breaks -- they could save you some cash.

Mortgage interest: a homeownership incentive?

The mortgage interest deduction on your federal tax return is intended to encourage homeownership by giving you a tax break on the interest you pay on your house note.

There is little question it benefits millions of middle-class homeowners as well as the wealthy. But does it provide a compelling financial incentive to own rather than rent? Not so much.

According to a study by The Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, mortgage interest deductions for households with incomes between $40,000 and $75,000 average just $523, while households with incomes above $250,000 enjoy an average write-off of $5,459, or more than 10 times as much.

You must itemize on IRS Form 1040 Schedule A to claim the deduction. If you do, you can also deduct the interest paid on a second home. The rich do both, but most of the middle class does neither.

“For millions of taxpayers, therefore, the mortgage interest deduction provides no added incentive to buy a home,” says Hanlon. “It makes no sense in terms of targeting the incentive at the people who need or could use it.”

Capital gains: how the rich get richer

Why does billionaire Warren Buffett pay less income tax than his secretary?

Two words: capital gains.

Long-term capital gains, which derive from the sale of investments such as stocks and bonds held for more than a year, are taxed at 15 percent. That’s well below the 35 percent maximum tax rate on ordinary income such as wages.

The preferential tax treatment of capital gains is widely viewed as regressive because the rich, who derive a disproportionate share of their income from capital gains, pay less than half of the tax rate on that income compared to middle-class wage earne

Oh good lord, you don't even know what mortgage interest is.

 

[eddiew37]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

What deductions do the so called rich get on their 1040 that you don't?

Posted them skull

No you posted deductions everyone gets. What are the deductions that only the rich get on their 1040 that you don't

If this doesn't satisfy you I'll say Adios

• Mortgage interest: a homeownership incentive? ...
• Capital gains: how the rich get richer. ...
• Step-up in basis: how the rich remain rich. ...
• Retirement savings: tax shelter for the rich. ...
• Charitable deduction: good cause, policy flaws.

5 Tax Deductions That Favor The Rich - Bankrate.com
www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-deductions-favor-rich-1.aspx

 

[Skull Pilot]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

LOL okay what are these make believe rich only tax deductions?

5 tax deductions that favor the rich
JAY MACDONALD@OMNISAURUS
DECEMBER 7, 2011 in TAXES
ADVERTISEMENT

It’s good to be rich


When it comes to tax deductions, it is good to be rich — the richer, the better.

Middle-class America enjoys some of the same tax breaks as the wealthy on things like the mortgage interest on home loans, capital gains on retirement investments and donations made to charity.

However, the rich enjoy these deductions and others to a wildly disproportionate degree when compared to the rest of taxpayers. According to the National Priorities Project, America’s top earners will get an average tax cut of $66,384 in 2011 while the bottom 20 percent will realize an average tax savings of about $107.

Seth Hanlon, director of fiscal reform for the Center for American Progress, says that while all tax breaks are well-intended, the “upside-down” nature of some miss their target.

“Most people don’t see these as being government expenditures, but from an economic and budget point of view, they’re really the same thing as programs that spend money directly,” says Hanlon. “There are ways to reform them to make them work better.”

Many agree, including President Barack Obama, Warren Buffett and Bill Gates.

Here are five tax deductions that help the rich get richer.




The Most Common Overlooked Tax Breaks
Don't miss these tax breaks -- they could save you some cash.

Mortgage interest: a homeownership incentive?

The mortgage interest deduction on your federal tax return is intended to encourage homeownership by giving you a tax break on the interest you pay on your house note.

There is little question it benefits millions of middle-class homeowners as well as the wealthy. But does it provide a compelling financial incentive to own rather than rent? Not so much.

According to a study by The Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, mortgage interest deductions for households with incomes between $40,000 and $75,000 average just $523, while households with incomes above $250,000 enjoy an average write-off of $5,459, or more than 10 times as much.

You must itemize on IRS Form 1040 Schedule A to claim the deduction. If you do, you can also deduct the interest paid on a second home. The rich do both, but most of the middle class does neither.

“For millions of taxpayers, therefore, the mortgage interest deduction provides no added incentive to buy a home,” says Hanlon. “It makes no sense in terms of targeting the incentive at the people who need or could use it.”

Capital gains: how the rich get richer

Why does billionaire Warren Buffett pay less income tax than his secretary?

Two words: capital gains.

Long-term capital gains, which derive from the sale of investments such as stocks and bonds held for more than a year, are taxed at 15 percent. That’s well below the 35 percent maximum tax rate on ordinary income such as wages.

The preferential tax treatment of capital gains is widely viewed as regressive because the rich, who derive a disproportionate share of their income from capital gains, pay less than half of the tax rate on that income compared to middle-class wage earne

Buffet pays so little because he only pays himself a 100K a year salary.

If he was not the flaming hypocrite he is he would pay himself 10 million a year and pay the taxes he thinks he should pay

Here skull
The Tax Code for the Ultra-Rich vs. the One for Everyone Else - The ...
The Tax Code for the Ultra-Rich vs. the One for Everyone Else
Oct 15, 2016 - It's as though there's a separate set of laws for people with extreme amounts of wealth. ... In addition, they can donate stock to charity and claim a tax deduction for the full amount of the gift without ever having to pay taxes on the stock's increased value. And, if they die without selling the stock, its cost ...

So you are telling me that you cannot donate a stock to a charity or that the stocks you own are not treated the exact same way?

These are not things that are denied to you that only the so called rich can take advantage of.

If you had a stock portfolio worth 100K you could give it all to charity just like Buffet and deduct the entire value of the stock.

You can leave stocks to your heirs and they would get the stepped up value and not have to pay your capital gains on them.

These are things available to anyone not just the so called rich

 

[eddiew37]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

What deductions do the so called rich get on their 1040 that you don't?

Posted them skull

No you posted deductions everyone gets. What are the deductions that only the rich get on their 1040 that you don't

There are those the rich can take more advantage of and some that middle class can't take advantage at all

 

[Skull Pilot]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

What deductions do the so called rich get on their 1040 that you don't?

Posted them skull

No you posted deductions everyone gets. What are the deductions that only the rich get on their 1040 that you don't

If this doesn't satisfy you I'll say Adios

• Mortgage interest: a homeownership incentive? ...
• Capital gains: how the rich get richer. ...
• Step-up in basis: how the rich remain rich. ...
• Retirement savings: tax shelter for the rich. ...
• Charitable deduction: good cause, policy flaws.

5 Tax Deductions That Favor The Rich - Bankrate.com
www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-deductions-favor-rich-1.aspx

Again those deductions are available to everyone.

You said there were deductions that only the rich get and that are denied to everyone who is not rich

 

[Skull Pilot]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

What deductions do the so called rich get on their 1040 that you don't?

Posted them skull

No you posted deductions everyone gets. What are the deductions that only the rich get on their 1040 that you don't

There are those the rich can take more advantage of and some that middle class can't take advantage at all

That they do not take advantage of them in no way means they are prohibited from taking advantage of them

 

[JoeMoma]

According to Obama singles earning $200k and married couples making $250k are rich.

I agree with that. And there isn’t anything wrong with it.

Depending on where you live If you live in Repub Hicksville you'd be rich In NY not so much

One thing for sure, single and bringing home $200K ain’t poor even in NYC.

 

[eddiew37]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

LOL okay what are these make believe rich only tax deductions?

5 tax deductions that favor the rich
JAY MACDONALD@OMNISAURUS
DECEMBER 7, 2011 in TAXES
ADVERTISEMENT

It’s good to be rich


When it comes to tax deductions, it is good to be rich — the richer, the better.

Middle-class America enjoys some of the same tax breaks as the wealthy on things like the mortgage interest on home loans, capital gains on retirement investments and donations made to charity.

However, the rich enjoy these deductions and others to a wildly disproportionate degree when compared to the rest of taxpayers. According to the National Priorities Project, America’s top earners will get an average tax cut of $66,384 in 2011 while the bottom 20 percent will realize an average tax savings of about $107.

Seth Hanlon, director of fiscal reform for the Center for American Progress, says that while all tax breaks are well-intended, the “upside-down” nature of some miss their target.

“Most people don’t see these as being government expenditures, but from an economic and budget point of view, they’re really the same thing as programs that spend money directly,” says Hanlon. “There are ways to reform them to make them work better.”

Many agree, including President Barack Obama, Warren Buffett and Bill Gates.

Here are five tax deductions that help the rich get richer.




The Most Common Overlooked Tax Breaks
Don't miss these tax breaks -- they could save you some cash.

Mortgage interest: a homeownership incentive?

The mortgage interest deduction on your federal tax return is intended to encourage homeownership by giving you a tax break on the interest you pay on your house note.

There is little question it benefits millions of middle-class homeowners as well as the wealthy. But does it provide a compelling financial incentive to own rather than rent? Not so much.

According to a study by The Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, mortgage interest deductions for households with incomes between $40,000 and $75,000 average just $523, while households with incomes above $250,000 enjoy an average write-off of $5,459, or more than 10 times as much.

You must itemize on IRS Form 1040 Schedule A to claim the deduction. If you do, you can also deduct the interest paid on a second home. The rich do both, but most of the middle class does neither.

“For millions of taxpayers, therefore, the mortgage interest deduction provides no added incentive to buy a home,” says Hanlon. “It makes no sense in terms of targeting the incentive at the people who need or could use it.”

Capital gains: how the rich get richer

Why does billionaire Warren Buffett pay less income tax than his secretary?

Two words: capital gains.

Long-term capital gains, which derive from the sale of investments such as stocks and bonds held for more than a year, are taxed at 15 percent. That’s well below the 35 percent maximum tax rate on ordinary income such as wages.

The preferential tax treatment of capital gains is widely viewed as regressive because the rich, who derive a disproportionate share of their income from capital gains, pay less than half of the tax rate on that income compared to middle-class wage earne

Oh good lord, you don't even know what mortgage interest is.

I am not getting into a shit throwing contest with a moron You win

 

[imawhosure]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

So then, lowering the SALT deduction was a good thing. Thanks for agreeing-)

 

[leftwinger]

Mortgage interest is now capped st $750K home value. New plan fixed that one for Eddie.

state property tax + state income tax capped st $10K. Fixes that loophole for "the rich".


All heil Oh Great Orange one!

 

[eddiew37]

According to Obama singles earning $200k and married couples making $250k are rich.

I agree with that. And there isn’t anything wrong with it.

Depending on where you live If you live in Repub Hicksville you'd be rich In NY not so much

One thing for sure, single and bringing home $200K ain’t poor even in NYC.

Apartment with a bedroom 3 ,,3500 a month in the city and that's if you're lucky

 

[imawhosure]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

What deductions do the so called rich get on their 1040 that you don't?

Posted them skull

No you posted deductions everyone gets. What are the deductions that only the rich get on their 1040 that you don't

If this doesn't satisfy you I'll say Adios

• Mortgage interest: a homeownership incentive? ...
• Capital gains: how the rich get richer. ...
• Step-up in basis: how the rich remain rich. ...
• Retirement savings: tax shelter for the rich. ...
• Charitable deduction: good cause, policy flaws.

5 Tax Deductions That Favor The Rich - Bankrate.com
www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-deductions-favor-rich-1.aspx

Hey there Yogi Bare........or is it Bear-)

Bottomline by your own governments accounting--------------->who pays 85% of the taxes, no other bullshit........who PAYS IT! That is all that matters. That is NOT a fair share, that is to much! Are you telling everyone on this board, that the almost 50% of people who do NOT pay in, don't use services? Then why aren't they paying anything..........and if you think that almost 50% should pay nothing, who made you arbiter of who should and shouldn't anyway!

 

[eddiew37]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

So then, lowering the SALT deduction was a good thing. Thanks for agreeing-)

We both know that SALT was for the blues states exclusively but repubs will get hurt too and the more hurt the better for dems come 2018 elections

 

[Thinker101]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

So then, lowering the SALT deduction was a good thing. Thanks for agreeing-)

We both know that SALT was for the blues states exclusively but repubs will get hurt too and the more hurt the better for dems come 2018 elections

Do you live in a high tax state?

 

[BluesLegend]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

So then, lowering the SALT deduction was a good thing. Thanks for agreeing-)

eddiew37 is displaying his ignorance for all to see. This tax bill caps the mortgage interest deduction on the rich. State income/property tax deductions are also capped on the rich. Then eddiew37 posts stupid shit complaining about how only the rich get these deductions. LOL

 

[imawhosure]

30 years ago people in the top 10% were making close to $60,000/per year, and so started the chant of rich people don’t pay their fare share. Today we’re hearing the exact same thing. So what I’m curious to know is who the rich are? What level of income is needed before you’re considered to not be paying your fair share. Is it still the $60,000 mark or is it anyone that has $1.00 more than you do.

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

So then, lowering the SALT deduction was a good thing. Thanks for agreeing-)

We both know that SALT was for the blues states exclusively but repubs will get hurt too and the more hurt the better for dems come 2018 elections

Why would they be hurt? You have gotten exactly what you desire, more taxes. Aren't you happy, and if you aren't, explain why not-)

 

[eddiew37]

IMHO it's not the income that decides whether you're paying your fair share It's all the deductions only the rich can take so their % of taxes are very low

What deductions do the so called rich get on their 1040 that you don't?

Posted them skull

No you posted deductions everyone gets. What are the deductions that only the rich get on their 1040 that you don't

If this doesn't satisfy you I'll say Adios

• Mortgage interest: a homeownership incentive? ...
• Capital gains: how the rich get richer. ...
• Step-up in basis: how the rich remain rich. ...
• Retirement savings: tax shelter for the rich. ...
• Charitable deduction: good cause, policy flaws.

5 Tax Deductions That Favor The Rich - Bankrate.com
www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-deductions-favor-rich-1.aspx

Hey there Yogi Bare........or is it Bear-)

Bottomline by your own governments accounting--------------->who pays 85% of the taxes, no other bullshit........who PAYS IT! That is all that matters. That is NOT a fair share, that is to much! Are you telling everyone on this board, that the almost 50% of people who do NOT pay in, don't use services? Then why aren't they paying anything..........and if you think that almost 50% should pay nothing, who made you arbiter of who should and shouldn't anyway!

Poor folks who are just existing just getting by by the skin of their teeth should pay what??? And nobody made me arbiter Just unlike asshats like you I have a clue