Who would you rather as president managing the COVID-19 response, Trump or Biden?" (poll)

[playtime]

At present the 538 poll shows that Trump's approval and disapproval are both about 48%.

How Americans View Biden’s Response To The Coronavirus Crisis

We’re tracking how concerned Americans are about COVID-19, the economy and President Biden’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Those numbers are very partisan with both parties disagreeing.

So lets look at it differently.
Since Biden originally called Trump's travel ban "xenophobic", and now supports it.
Who would you rather as president to manage the COVID-19 response, Trump or Biden?
(hint: remember the Obamacare rollout and how well that went?)

Just based on this report, I choose Biden

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Trump was still publicly downplaying the risk.

Navarro’s strongly worded initial memo did not match up with the rhetoric Trump was using. The president was still downplaying the threat of the coronavirus outbreak well into early March.

In mid-February, Trump told governors “a lot of people think [the virus] goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in,” and as late as March 9 the president was still comparing the severity of the coronavirus to the “common flu” and signaled businesses would not be shut down.

In the Feb. 23 memo, which was addressed to the White House and attributed to Navarro but not signed by him, Navarro warns that “this is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill,”

In his second memo, Navarro estimated that a “full-blown COVID-19 pandemic” could infect as many as 100 million Americans and kill as many as 1.2 million, the Times reports.

Navarro’s second memo seemed aimed at the White House task force, according to the newspaper.

“Any member of the Task Force who wants to be cautious about appropriating funds for a crisis that could inflict trillions of dollars in economic damage and take millions of lives has come to the wrong administration,” the memo reportedly said.

The Trump administration ended up asking Congress for $2.5 billion, an amount Democrats criticized as too low, and in early March approved a $8.3 billion coronavirus package passed by Congress.

Trump adviser warned of coronavirus threat in January

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Tru…

thehill.com

There is a paper trail that proves this is all true.

the 80 pages of inter agency emails says donny totally fucked this up.

 

[sealybobo]

At present the 538 poll shows that Trump's approval and disapproval are both about 48%.

How Americans View Biden’s Response To The Coronavirus Crisis

We’re tracking how concerned Americans are about COVID-19, the economy and President Biden’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Those numbers are very partisan with both parties disagreeing.

So lets look at it differently.
Since Biden originally called Trump's travel ban "xenophobic", and now supports it.
Who would you rather as president to manage the COVID-19 response, Trump or Biden?
(hint: remember the Obamacare rollout and how well that went?)

Just based on this report, I choose Biden

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Trump was still publicly downplaying the risk.

Navarro’s strongly worded initial memo did not match up with the rhetoric Trump was using. The president was still downplaying the threat of the coronavirus outbreak well into early March.

In mid-February, Trump told governors “a lot of people think [the virus] goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in,” and as late as March 9 the president was still comparing the severity of the coronavirus to the “common flu” and signaled businesses would not be shut down.

In the Feb. 23 memo, which was addressed to the White House and attributed to Navarro but not signed by him, Navarro warns that “this is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill,”

In his second memo, Navarro estimated that a “full-blown COVID-19 pandemic” could infect as many as 100 million Americans and kill as many as 1.2 million, the Times reports.

Navarro’s second memo seemed aimed at the White House task force, according to the newspaper.

“Any member of the Task Force who wants to be cautious about appropriating funds for a crisis that could inflict trillions of dollars in economic damage and take millions of lives has come to the wrong administration,” the memo reportedly said.

The Trump administration ended up asking Congress for $2.5 billion, an amount Democrats criticized as too low, and in early March approved a $8.3 billion coronavirus package passed by Congress.

Trump adviser warned of coronavirus threat in January

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Tru…

thehill.com

There is a paper trail that proves this is all true.

the 80 pages of inter agency emails says donny totally fucked this up.

Joe Biden needs to hammer him on this one. Also the fact in 2019 Trump only grew the economy 2.3%. Republicans want us to believe Trump was doing a great job before this virus. He wasn't. The only reason his economy was doing a little better than Obama's was that ridiculous tax break Trump passed in 2018. And it hardly did anything to the economy. 2.3% growth? Candidate Trump would not say nice things about President Trump.

 

[playtime]

At present the 538 poll shows that Trump's approval and disapproval are both about 48%.

How Americans View Biden’s Response To The Coronavirus Crisis

We’re tracking how concerned Americans are about COVID-19, the economy and President Biden’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Those numbers are very partisan with both parties disagreeing.

So lets look at it differently.
Since Biden originally called Trump's travel ban "xenophobic", and now supports it.
Who would you rather as president to manage the COVID-19 response, Trump or Biden?
(hint: remember the Obamacare rollout and how well that went?)

Just based on this report, I choose Biden

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Trump was still publicly downplaying the risk.

Navarro’s strongly worded initial memo did not match up with the rhetoric Trump was using. The president was still downplaying the threat of the coronavirus outbreak well into early March.

In mid-February, Trump told governors “a lot of people think [the virus] goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in,” and as late as March 9 the president was still comparing the severity of the coronavirus to the “common flu” and signaled businesses would not be shut down.

In the Feb. 23 memo, which was addressed to the White House and attributed to Navarro but not signed by him, Navarro warns that “this is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill,”

In his second memo, Navarro estimated that a “full-blown COVID-19 pandemic” could infect as many as 100 million Americans and kill as many as 1.2 million, the Times reports.

Navarro’s second memo seemed aimed at the White House task force, according to the newspaper.

“Any member of the Task Force who wants to be cautious about appropriating funds for a crisis that could inflict trillions of dollars in economic damage and take millions of lives has come to the wrong administration,” the memo reportedly said.

The Trump administration ended up asking Congress for $2.5 billion, an amount Democrats criticized as too low, and in early March approved a $8.3 billion coronavirus package passed by Congress.

Trump adviser warned of coronavirus threat in January

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Tru…

thehill.com

There is a paper trail that proves this is all true.

the 80 pages of inter agency emails says donny totally fucked this up.

Joe Biden needs to hammer him on this one. Also the fact in 2019 Trump only grew the economy 2.3%. Republicans want us to believe Trump was doing a great job before this virus. He wasn't. The only reason his economy was doing a little better than Obama's was that ridiculous tax break Trump passed in 2018. And it hardly did anything to the economy. 2.3% growth? Candidate Trump would not say nice things about President Trump.

when obama first took office, bush's economy had +/- 10% unemployment; & when obama left office that unemployment rate dropped to +/- 5% despite having a (R) controlled CONgress for 6 of the 8 years he held the presidency.

donny's unemployment rate in jan 2020 was +/ 3.5 % ... a drop of only 1.5 % means that capt crazy pants piggy clearly piggy backed off of obama's success.

 

[sealybobo]

At present the 538 poll shows that Trump's approval and disapproval are both about 48%.

How Americans View Biden’s Response To The Coronavirus Crisis

We’re tracking how concerned Americans are about COVID-19, the economy and President Biden’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Those numbers are very partisan with both parties disagreeing.

So lets look at it differently.
Since Biden originally called Trump's travel ban "xenophobic", and now supports it.
Who would you rather as president to manage the COVID-19 response, Trump or Biden?
(hint: remember the Obamacare rollout and how well that went?)

Just based on this report, I choose Biden

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Trump was still publicly downplaying the risk.

Navarro’s strongly worded initial memo did not match up with the rhetoric Trump was using. The president was still downplaying the threat of the coronavirus outbreak well into early March.

In mid-February, Trump told governors “a lot of people think [the virus] goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in,” and as late as March 9 the president was still comparing the severity of the coronavirus to the “common flu” and signaled businesses would not be shut down.

In the Feb. 23 memo, which was addressed to the White House and attributed to Navarro but not signed by him, Navarro warns that “this is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill,”

In his second memo, Navarro estimated that a “full-blown COVID-19 pandemic” could infect as many as 100 million Americans and kill as many as 1.2 million, the Times reports.

Navarro’s second memo seemed aimed at the White House task force, according to the newspaper.

“Any member of the Task Force who wants to be cautious about appropriating funds for a crisis that could inflict trillions of dollars in economic damage and take millions of lives has come to the wrong administration,” the memo reportedly said.

The Trump administration ended up asking Congress for $2.5 billion, an amount Democrats criticized as too low, and in early March approved a $8.3 billion coronavirus package passed by Congress.

Trump adviser warned of coronavirus threat in January

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Tru…

thehill.com

There is a paper trail that proves this is all true.

the 80 pages of inter agency emails says donny totally fucked this up.

Joe Biden needs to hammer him on this one. Also the fact in 2019 Trump only grew the economy 2.3%. Republicans want us to believe Trump was doing a great job before this virus. He wasn't. The only reason his economy was doing a little better than Obama's was that ridiculous tax break Trump passed in 2018. And it hardly did anything to the economy. 2.3% growth? Candidate Trump would not say nice things about President Trump.

when obama first took office, bush's economy had +/- 10% unemployment; & when obama left office that unemployment rate dropped to +/- 5% despite having a (R) controlled CONgress for 6 of the 8 years he held the presidency.

donny's unemployment rate in jan 2020 was +/ 3.5 % ... a drop of only 1.5 % means that capt crazy pants piggy clearly piggy backed off of obama's success.

Republicans loved to cry that Obama played politics with 4 dead soldiers in Benghazi. They laser focused on that. Well how many Americans have already dies and are going to die because Trump played politics with something as serious as the coronavirus? He didn't want it to hurt the economy so he downplayed it. This is why you don't elect people who don't believe in government or science.

Now Republicans will blow this off because of the source but they shouldn't expect the truth from whatever sources they are getting their facts from. Their sources are leaving things out.

Behind Trump’s Botched And Delayed Coronavirus Response
Urgent warnings were ignored by a president consumed by his impeachment trial and intent on protecting a robust economy that he viewed as central to his reelection chances.

Behind Trump's Botched And Delayed Coronavirus Response

Urgent warnings were ignored by a president consumed by his impeachment trial and intent on protecting a robust economy that he viewed as central to his reelection chances.

www.huffpost.com

By the time President Donald Trump first spoke publicly about the coronavirus, it may already have been too late.
Interviewed at Davos, a gathering of global elites in the Swiss Alps, the president on Jan. 22 played down the threat posed by the respiratory virus from China, which had just reached American shores in the form of a solitary patient in Washington state.
“We have it totally under control,” Trump said on CNBC. “It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
In the 11 weeks since that interview, the coronavirus has reached every corner of the globe. It has infected more than 500,000 Americans and killed at least 20,000. It has rewritten the rules of society, isolated people in their homes, closed schools, devastated the economy and put millions out of work.
When Trump spoke in Switzerland, weeks’ worth of warning signs already had been raised. In the ensuing month, before the president first addressed the crisis from the White House, key steps to prepare the nation for the coming pandemic were not taken.
Life-saving medical equipment was not stockpiled. Travel largely continued unabated. Vital public health data from China was not provided or was deemed untrustworthy. A White House riven by rivalries and turnover was slow to act. Urgent warnings were ignored by a president consumed by his impeachment trial and intent on protecting a robust economy that he viewed as central to his reelection chances.

 

[kyzr]

We went from 2 million projected deaths to 60,000.

Trump is doing fine. Pelosi is the dumb whore who went to Chinatown and told everybody to visit in a really stupid political stunt.

unfuckingbelievable; only a deplorable would think that 60K dead is a win for donny.

60k dead is a win for Donny, look at the EU for comparison, the EU has 3x the US deaths

The "experts" predicted 2,200,000 US deaths at the start of the pandemic based on global rates:

'Terrifying' New Research Warns 2.2 Million Could Die From Coronavirus in US Without Drastic Action

"Only now is the White House coming out of denial and heading straight into saying it could not have been foreseen."

www.commondreams.org

Then the US did so well that the "experts" revised their predictions downward to between 100,00 and 200,000 US deaths

100,000–200,000 COVID-19 Deaths. Where Does That Estimate Come From?

Infectious disease modelers are projecting COVID-19 death toll.

www.managedhealthcareexecutive.com

The "experts" latest predictions are for about 60,000 US deaths, so I'd say that the Trump/Pence team is doing just fine, that's a win.

Fauci Says U.S. Coronavirus Deaths May Be 'More Like 60,000'; Antibody Tests On Way

The predicted death toll has fallen, Dr. Anthony Fauci says, because of Americans' embrace of physical separation and other restrictions.

www.npr.org

ummmm.... no. most were unnecessary deaths. the vast majority could have been prevented if donny didn't ignore the warnings, waived the regs early on, signed & enforced the DPA early on, AND signed off on a NATION WIDE shelter in place directive. if he didn't finally do what was needed, the numbers would be as high as the SCIENTISTS modeled. they are still gonna rise due to the selfish dumbfuck hayseed states that refused to be inconvenienced for a few weeks & stay the fuck home.

1. Unnecessary deaths? Got a link proving that? Even the crazy "hoax" democrats aren't claiming that?!
2. Donny can waive regs, but NOT LAWS. Read the fucking LAW. I gave you the link

simply not having the PPE or ventilators or even fucking SWABS for the tests is a fail on donny's part. bigley. that's the first thing in line to saving lives. they knew this was coming & shut the experts out of meetings specifically held regarding COVID 19 held in a SCIF at the HHS.

that's another thing di-rectly attributed to deaths occurring needlessly.

I see words but no link or proof.
Words are meaningless without proof.
They're doing 150,000 tests a day. The CDC started out doing 300. That's a win. The capacity is increasing in leaps and bounds, so democrats have no room to talk after the disaster, train-wreck, embarrassment, known as the Obamacare rollout happened, when the web site didn't work. His crowning achievement?!. You can try to pick nits against Trump, but everyone sees how a government is supposed to function, especially after 8-years of BO & Biden.

whatever happened to:
"Over a million tests have been distributed," Pence said, and "before the end of this week, another 4 million tests will be distributed." ?

or donny saying “Anybody that wants a test [for the coronavirus] can get a test.”

NONE of that has even been close to happening; guess they fucking lied.

that is a FAIL on donny's part. a bigley FAIL.

anyhoo, about them thar links? i never claim a thing without credible links to back it up:

Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot
By Melissa HealyStaff Writer
April 7, 2020
12:39 PM
The United States has roughly 173,000 ventilators scattered across the country, according to the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins University. It may sound like a lot, but there could be 31 times as many patients who need one, experts from Harvard Medical School predict.
Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot


Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Audrey Conklin
Fox BusinessApril 7, 2020
The United States' shortage of novel coronavirus test kits is the result of rapidly increasing demand met with a weak national supply chain and disruptive federal regulations.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Office of the Inspector General interviewed 323 hospitals across 46 States in March and issued a report Monday that found most U.S. hospitals are experiencing testing shortages and extended wait times for test results.

A shortage of COVID-19 test kits is similarly a direct result of rapidly growing demand for COVID-19 kits and a "shortage of physical components" needed to make the tests, The New Yorker reported on March 24.

The physical components in question include virtual transport media, which are used to safely transport a specimen taken from a patient to a lab; extraction kits, which isolate viral RNA from biological samples; reagents, which are substances or compounds added to a sample to determine whether it contains COVID-19; and test swabs, according to The New Yorker.
Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources
Politics
March 11, 2020 / 4:29 PM / a month ago

Aram Roston, Marisa Taylor
7 Min Read


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.
Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”
Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

you're welcome.

1. They are doing 100,000 to 150,000 tests per day, that adds up to over 1m in a few days. Additional capacity is being added as it becomes available, such as the 15-minute test and the 5-minute test. Anyone can get a test as long as they have a doctor's order. US Historical Data

2. Ventilators are adequate. They are being moved from cool spots to hot spots, they are also being mass produced by GM & Tesla & Ford.
"The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) estimates that the concurrent need for ventilators in the United States will peak at about 17,000 on April 14, though the actual number could fall anywhere within a range of about 8,000 to 35,500. It’s estimated that we have about 170,000 ventilators in the country..."

3. Test kit shortage? Not true, its not March 4th???. Try to stay current. They are doing about 150,000 tests per day, and that will be ramping up as more equipment comes online. The new 15-minute and 5-minute tests will be game-changers when widely available, as well as the new "anti-body" tests. US Historical Data

4. Trump is having daily pressers with any questions the MSM wants to ask. If the WH has classified meetings, that is their prerogative.

5. You're welcome again, see how well the Federal Government can be run with competent managers.

Trump is reactive we needed proactive.

WTF are you smokin? We need Trump, period. Your democrap talking points aren't working. Maybe you need to focus more on Joe Biden than Trump? No one is going to vote for Sleazy Breezy Joe.

You sure? Because in 2016 more people voted for Hillary than Trump. And that was before Trump proved to be incompetent.

Trump cut funding to the departments that deal with infectious diseases. That alone exposes him and all Republicans for not understanding the importance of government. Now we see what happens when Republicans cut important government positions.

No, those positions weren't important, until a virus came. So Trump gambled and lost. He's FIRED.

1. Yes I'm sure, I'm voting for Trump over Biden. I'm also sure that Trump hasn't lost any voters from 2016. You haven't been bragging on old Joe? How come??
2. "Incompetent" was rolling out Obamacare and have the web site not work. "Incompetent" was giving Iran $1.7b in cash via plane and another $150b in sanctions relief to develop their nuke and ICBM programs as well aas fund their terror networks.
3. Trump did not cut funding or dissolve its pandemic response team. Stop lying, but then again, that's all the democrats have, lies. Lies about the Mueller INvestigation, lies about Russian Collusion, lies about Ukraine and the sham impeachment.

No, the White House Didn’t ‘Dissolve’ Its Pandemic Response Office | RealClearPolitics

President Trump gets his share of criticism some warranted, much not. But recently the presidents critics have chosen curious ground to question his...

www.realclearpolitics.com

 

[Redfish]

Neither.

then who?

Don’t care. It doesn’t matter. It will be one of the two assholes.

I asked who you would prefer if you could choose. Who would you like to see in the whitehouse next year? Give me a name or STFU

Me. Now you STFU.

LOL, when pigs fly, so you have no one you would want as president? typical, bitch about everything but offer no alternatives.

You asked I answered. I can’t help it if you’re dumb.

so you think you should be president? exactly how do you plan to make the happen?

your posts are so ridiculous that they don't really merit a response, I won;t waste any more time with your idiocy.

 

[Redfish]

At present the 538 poll shows that Trump's approval and disapproval are both about 48%.

How Americans View Biden’s Response To The Coronavirus Crisis

We’re tracking how concerned Americans are about COVID-19, the economy and President Biden’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Those numbers are very partisan with both parties disagreeing.

So lets look at it differently.
Since Biden originally called Trump's travel ban "xenophobic", and now supports it.
Who would you rather as president to manage the COVID-19 response, Trump or Biden?
(hint: remember the Obamacare rollout and how well that went?)

Just based on this report, I choose Biden

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Trump was still publicly downplaying the risk.

Navarro’s strongly worded initial memo did not match up with the rhetoric Trump was using. The president was still downplaying the threat of the coronavirus outbreak well into early March.

In mid-February, Trump told governors “a lot of people think [the virus] goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in,” and as late as March 9 the president was still comparing the severity of the coronavirus to the “common flu” and signaled businesses would not be shut down.

In the Feb. 23 memo, which was addressed to the White House and attributed to Navarro but not signed by him, Navarro warns that “this is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill,”

In his second memo, Navarro estimated that a “full-blown COVID-19 pandemic” could infect as many as 100 million Americans and kill as many as 1.2 million, the Times reports.

Navarro’s second memo seemed aimed at the White House task force, according to the newspaper.

“Any member of the Task Force who wants to be cautious about appropriating funds for a crisis that could inflict trillions of dollars in economic damage and take millions of lives has come to the wrong administration,” the memo reportedly said.

The Trump administration ended up asking Congress for $2.5 billion, an amount Democrats criticized as too low, and in early March approved a $8.3 billion coronavirus package passed by Congress.

Trump adviser warned of coronavirus threat in January

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Tru…

thehill.com

There is a paper trail that proves this is all true.

the 80 pages of inter agency emails says donny totally fucked this up.

Joe Biden needs to hammer him on this one. Also the fact in 2019 Trump only grew the economy 2.3%. Republicans want us to believe Trump was doing a great job before this virus. He wasn't. The only reason his economy was doing a little better than Obama's was that ridiculous tax break Trump passed in 2018. And it hardly did anything to the economy. 2.3% growth? Candidate Trump would not say nice things about President Trump.

when obama first took office, bush's economy had +/- 10% unemployment; & when obama left office that unemployment rate dropped to +/- 5% despite having a (R) controlled CONgress for 6 of the 8 years he held the presidency.

donny's unemployment rate in jan 2020 was +/ 3.5 % ... a drop of only 1.5 % means that capt crazy pants piggy clearly piggy backed off of obama's success.

what specific actions did obama take that affected the unemployment rate? give us a list.

or was his UE rate the result of Bush's actions? as you are now claiming that Trump's results are due to obama's

 

[sealybobo]

We went from 2 million projected deaths to 60,000.

Trump is doing fine. Pelosi is the dumb whore who went to Chinatown and told everybody to visit in a really stupid political stunt.

unfuckingbelievable; only a deplorable would think that 60K dead is a win for donny.

60k dead is a win for Donny, look at the EU for comparison, the EU has 3x the US deaths

The "experts" predicted 2,200,000 US deaths at the start of the pandemic based on global rates:

'Terrifying' New Research Warns 2.2 Million Could Die From Coronavirus in US Without Drastic Action

"Only now is the White House coming out of denial and heading straight into saying it could not have been foreseen."

www.commondreams.org

Then the US did so well that the "experts" revised their predictions downward to between 100,00 and 200,000 US deaths

100,000–200,000 COVID-19 Deaths. Where Does That Estimate Come From?

Infectious disease modelers are projecting COVID-19 death toll.

www.managedhealthcareexecutive.com

The "experts" latest predictions are for about 60,000 US deaths, so I'd say that the Trump/Pence team is doing just fine, that's a win.

Fauci Says U.S. Coronavirus Deaths May Be 'More Like 60,000'; Antibody Tests On Way

The predicted death toll has fallen, Dr. Anthony Fauci says, because of Americans' embrace of physical separation and other restrictions.

www.npr.org

ummmm.... no. most were unnecessary deaths. the vast majority could have been prevented if donny didn't ignore the warnings, waived the regs early on, signed & enforced the DPA early on, AND signed off on a NATION WIDE shelter in place directive. if he didn't finally do what was needed, the numbers would be as high as the SCIENTISTS modeled. they are still gonna rise due to the selfish dumbfuck hayseed states that refused to be inconvenienced for a few weeks & stay the fuck home.

1. Unnecessary deaths? Got a link proving that? Even the crazy "hoax" democrats aren't claiming that?!
2. Donny can waive regs, but NOT LAWS. Read the fucking LAW. I gave you the link

simply not having the PPE or ventilators or even fucking SWABS for the tests is a fail on donny's part. bigley. that's the first thing in line to saving lives. they knew this was coming & shut the experts out of meetings specifically held regarding COVID 19 held in a SCIF at the HHS.

that's another thing di-rectly attributed to deaths occurring needlessly.

I see words but no link or proof.
Words are meaningless without proof.
They're doing 150,000 tests a day. The CDC started out doing 300. That's a win. The capacity is increasing in leaps and bounds, so democrats have no room to talk after the disaster, train-wreck, embarrassment, known as the Obamacare rollout happened, when the web site didn't work. His crowning achievement?!. You can try to pick nits against Trump, but everyone sees how a government is supposed to function, especially after 8-years of BO & Biden.

whatever happened to:
"Over a million tests have been distributed," Pence said, and "before the end of this week, another 4 million tests will be distributed." ?

or donny saying “Anybody that wants a test [for the coronavirus] can get a test.”

NONE of that has even been close to happening; guess they fucking lied.

that is a FAIL on donny's part. a bigley FAIL.

anyhoo, about them thar links? i never claim a thing without credible links to back it up:

Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot
By Melissa HealyStaff Writer
April 7, 2020
12:39 PM
The United States has roughly 173,000 ventilators scattered across the country, according to the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins University. It may sound like a lot, but there could be 31 times as many patients who need one, experts from Harvard Medical School predict.
Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot


Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Audrey Conklin
Fox BusinessApril 7, 2020
The United States' shortage of novel coronavirus test kits is the result of rapidly increasing demand met with a weak national supply chain and disruptive federal regulations.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Office of the Inspector General interviewed 323 hospitals across 46 States in March and issued a report Monday that found most U.S. hospitals are experiencing testing shortages and extended wait times for test results.

A shortage of COVID-19 test kits is similarly a direct result of rapidly growing demand for COVID-19 kits and a "shortage of physical components" needed to make the tests, The New Yorker reported on March 24.

The physical components in question include virtual transport media, which are used to safely transport a specimen taken from a patient to a lab; extraction kits, which isolate viral RNA from biological samples; reagents, which are substances or compounds added to a sample to determine whether it contains COVID-19; and test swabs, according to The New Yorker.
Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources
Politics
March 11, 2020 / 4:29 PM / a month ago

Aram Roston, Marisa Taylor
7 Min Read


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.
Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”
Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

you're welcome.

1. They are doing 100,000 to 150,000 tests per day, that adds up to over 1m in a few days. Additional capacity is being added as it becomes available, such as the 15-minute test and the 5-minute test. Anyone can get a test as long as they have a doctor's order. US Historical Data

2. Ventilators are adequate. They are being moved from cool spots to hot spots, they are also being mass produced by GM & Tesla & Ford.
"The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) estimates that the concurrent need for ventilators in the United States will peak at about 17,000 on April 14, though the actual number could fall anywhere within a range of about 8,000 to 35,500. It’s estimated that we have about 170,000 ventilators in the country..."

3. Test kit shortage? Not true, its not March 4th???. Try to stay current. They are doing about 150,000 tests per day, and that will be ramping up as more equipment comes online. The new 15-minute and 5-minute tests will be game-changers when widely available, as well as the new "anti-body" tests. US Historical Data

4. Trump is having daily pressers with any questions the MSM wants to ask. If the WH has classified meetings, that is their prerogative.

5. You're welcome again, see how well the Federal Government can be run with competent managers.

Trump is reactive we needed proactive.

WTF are you smokin? We need Trump, period. Your democrap talking points aren't working. Maybe you need to focus more on Joe Biden than Trump? No one is going to vote for Sleazy Breezy Joe.

You sure? Because in 2016 more people voted for Hillary than Trump. And that was before Trump proved to be incompetent.

Trump cut funding to the departments that deal with infectious diseases. That alone exposes him and all Republicans for not understanding the importance of government. Now we see what happens when Republicans cut important government positions.

No, those positions weren't important, until a virus came. So Trump gambled and lost. He's FIRED.

1. Yes I'm sure, I'm voting for Trump over Biden. I'm also sure that Trump hasn't lost any voters from 2016. You haven't been bragging on old Joe? How come??
2. "Incompetent" was rolling out Obamacare and have the web site not work. "Incompetent" was giving Iran $1.7b in cash via plane and another $150b in sanctions relief to develop their nuke and ICBM programs as well aas fund their terror networks.
3. Trump did not cut funding or dissolve its pandemic response team. Stop lying, but then again, that's all the democrats have, lies. Lies about the Mueller INvestigation, lies about Russian Collusion, lies about Ukraine and the sham impeachment.

No, the White House Didn’t ‘Dissolve’ Its Pandemic Response Office | RealClearPolitics

President Trump gets his share of criticism some warranted, much not. But recently the presidents critics have chosen curious ground to question his...

www.realclearpolitics.com

Yes he did cut funding and cut out positions that were specifically created to deal with pandemics. Why are you denying? And you can't even provide a link explaining that Trump did not cut funding? Simply you Trump supporters just say it's not true and that's that? Fucking brainwashed liars. But at least you admit nothing even common sense and facts won't change your small brain.

• The Trump administration has also spent the past several years dismantling the very government programs responsible for combatting a global health crisis.

Trump spent the past 2 years slashing the government agencies responsible for handling the coronavirus outbreak

The Trump administration has spent the past several years gutting the government programs responsible for combatting a global health crisis.

www.businessinsider.com

In 2018, for instance, the CDC cut 80% of its efforts to prevent global disease outbreaks because it was running out of money. Ultimately, the department went from working in 49 countries to just 10.

Here are some other actions the Trump administration undertook to dismantle government-spending programs related to fighting the spread of global diseases, according to Foreign Policy:

• Shutting down the entire global-health-security unit of the National Security Council.
• Eliminating the US government's $30 million Complex Crises Fund.
• Reducing national health spending by $15 billion.
• Consistently attacking Mark Green, the director of the US Agency for International Development.

 

[sealybobo]

We went from 2 million projected deaths to 60,000.

Trump is doing fine. Pelosi is the dumb whore who went to Chinatown and told everybody to visit in a really stupid political stunt.

unfuckingbelievable; only a deplorable would think that 60K dead is a win for donny.

60k dead is a win for Donny, look at the EU for comparison, the EU has 3x the US deaths

The "experts" predicted 2,200,000 US deaths at the start of the pandemic based on global rates:

'Terrifying' New Research Warns 2.2 Million Could Die From Coronavirus in US Without Drastic Action

"Only now is the White House coming out of denial and heading straight into saying it could not have been foreseen."

www.commondreams.org

Then the US did so well that the "experts" revised their predictions downward to between 100,00 and 200,000 US deaths

100,000–200,000 COVID-19 Deaths. Where Does That Estimate Come From?

Infectious disease modelers are projecting COVID-19 death toll.

www.managedhealthcareexecutive.com

The "experts" latest predictions are for about 60,000 US deaths, so I'd say that the Trump/Pence team is doing just fine, that's a win.

Fauci Says U.S. Coronavirus Deaths May Be 'More Like 60,000'; Antibody Tests On Way

The predicted death toll has fallen, Dr. Anthony Fauci says, because of Americans' embrace of physical separation and other restrictions.

www.npr.org

ummmm.... no. most were unnecessary deaths. the vast majority could have been prevented if donny didn't ignore the warnings, waived the regs early on, signed & enforced the DPA early on, AND signed off on a NATION WIDE shelter in place directive. if he didn't finally do what was needed, the numbers would be as high as the SCIENTISTS modeled. they are still gonna rise due to the selfish dumbfuck hayseed states that refused to be inconvenienced for a few weeks & stay the fuck home.

1. Unnecessary deaths? Got a link proving that? Even the crazy "hoax" democrats aren't claiming that?!
2. Donny can waive regs, but NOT LAWS. Read the fucking LAW. I gave you the link

simply not having the PPE or ventilators or even fucking SWABS for the tests is a fail on donny's part. bigley. that's the first thing in line to saving lives. they knew this was coming & shut the experts out of meetings specifically held regarding COVID 19 held in a SCIF at the HHS.

that's another thing di-rectly attributed to deaths occurring needlessly.

I see words but no link or proof.
Words are meaningless without proof.
They're doing 150,000 tests a day. The CDC started out doing 300. That's a win. The capacity is increasing in leaps and bounds, so democrats have no room to talk after the disaster, train-wreck, embarrassment, known as the Obamacare rollout happened, when the web site didn't work. His crowning achievement?!. You can try to pick nits against Trump, but everyone sees how a government is supposed to function, especially after 8-years of BO & Biden.

whatever happened to:
"Over a million tests have been distributed," Pence said, and "before the end of this week, another 4 million tests will be distributed." ?

or donny saying “Anybody that wants a test [for the coronavirus] can get a test.”

NONE of that has even been close to happening; guess they fucking lied.

that is a FAIL on donny's part. a bigley FAIL.

anyhoo, about them thar links? i never claim a thing without credible links to back it up:

Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot
By Melissa HealyStaff Writer
April 7, 2020
12:39 PM
The United States has roughly 173,000 ventilators scattered across the country, according to the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins University. It may sound like a lot, but there could be 31 times as many patients who need one, experts from Harvard Medical School predict.
Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot


Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Audrey Conklin
Fox BusinessApril 7, 2020
The United States' shortage of novel coronavirus test kits is the result of rapidly increasing demand met with a weak national supply chain and disruptive federal regulations.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Office of the Inspector General interviewed 323 hospitals across 46 States in March and issued a report Monday that found most U.S. hospitals are experiencing testing shortages and extended wait times for test results.

A shortage of COVID-19 test kits is similarly a direct result of rapidly growing demand for COVID-19 kits and a "shortage of physical components" needed to make the tests, The New Yorker reported on March 24.

The physical components in question include virtual transport media, which are used to safely transport a specimen taken from a patient to a lab; extraction kits, which isolate viral RNA from biological samples; reagents, which are substances or compounds added to a sample to determine whether it contains COVID-19; and test swabs, according to The New Yorker.
Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources
Politics
March 11, 2020 / 4:29 PM / a month ago

Aram Roston, Marisa Taylor
7 Min Read


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.
Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”
Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

you're welcome.

1. They are doing 100,000 to 150,000 tests per day, that adds up to over 1m in a few days. Additional capacity is being added as it becomes available, such as the 15-minute test and the 5-minute test. Anyone can get a test as long as they have a doctor's order. US Historical Data

2. Ventilators are adequate. They are being moved from cool spots to hot spots, they are also being mass produced by GM & Tesla & Ford.
"The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) estimates that the concurrent need for ventilators in the United States will peak at about 17,000 on April 14, though the actual number could fall anywhere within a range of about 8,000 to 35,500. It’s estimated that we have about 170,000 ventilators in the country..."

3. Test kit shortage? Not true, its not March 4th???. Try to stay current. They are doing about 150,000 tests per day, and that will be ramping up as more equipment comes online. The new 15-minute and 5-minute tests will be game-changers when widely available, as well as the new "anti-body" tests. US Historical Data

4. Trump is having daily pressers with any questions the MSM wants to ask. If the WH has classified meetings, that is their prerogative.

5. You're welcome again, see how well the Federal Government can be run with competent managers.

Trump is reactive we needed proactive.

WTF are you smokin? We need Trump, period. Your democrap talking points aren't working. Maybe you need to focus more on Joe Biden than Trump? No one is going to vote for Sleazy Breezy Joe.

You sure? Because in 2016 more people voted for Hillary than Trump. And that was before Trump proved to be incompetent.

Trump cut funding to the departments that deal with infectious diseases. That alone exposes him and all Republicans for not understanding the importance of government. Now we see what happens when Republicans cut important government positions.

No, those positions weren't important, until a virus came. So Trump gambled and lost. He's FIRED.

1. Yes I'm sure, I'm voting for Trump over Biden. I'm also sure that Trump hasn't lost any voters from 2016. You haven't been bragging on old Joe? How come??
2. "Incompetent" was rolling out Obamacare and have the web site not work. "Incompetent" was giving Iran $1.7b in cash via plane and another $150b in sanctions relief to develop their nuke and ICBM programs as well aas fund their terror networks.
3. Trump did not cut funding or dissolve its pandemic response team. Stop lying, but then again, that's all the democrats have, lies. Lies about the Mueller INvestigation, lies about Russian Collusion, lies about Ukraine and the sham impeachment.

No, the White House Didn’t ‘Dissolve’ Its Pandemic Response Office | RealClearPolitics

President Trump gets his share of criticism some warranted, much not. But recently the presidents critics have chosen curious ground to question his...

www.realclearpolitics.com

Help Wanted: Trump administration riddled with vacancies

The president has yet to nominate people for nearly 140 top-level positions, which experts say is hampering his long-term goals.

www.nbcnews.com

The president has yet to nominate people for nearly 140 top-level positions

You didn't think this would come back to bite him? Neither did he. But it has.

 

[sealybobo]

And the people who Trump does nominate deny science and will lie for Trump to help him get re elected or he will fire them like on the Apprentice.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Biden said Trumps travel ban was racist.

TDS

Orange Man Bad

 

[kyzr]

We went from 2 million projected deaths to 60,000.

Trump is doing fine. Pelosi is the dumb whore who went to Chinatown and told everybody to visit in a really stupid political stunt.

unfuckingbelievable; only a deplorable would think that 60K dead is a win for donny.

60k dead is a win for Donny, look at the EU for comparison, the EU has 3x the US deaths

The "experts" predicted 2,200,000 US deaths at the start of the pandemic based on global rates:

'Terrifying' New Research Warns 2.2 Million Could Die From Coronavirus in US Without Drastic Action

"Only now is the White House coming out of denial and heading straight into saying it could not have been foreseen."

www.commondreams.org

Then the US did so well that the "experts" revised their predictions downward to between 100,00 and 200,000 US deaths

100,000–200,000 COVID-19 Deaths. Where Does That Estimate Come From?

Infectious disease modelers are projecting COVID-19 death toll.

www.managedhealthcareexecutive.com

The "experts" latest predictions are for about 60,000 US deaths, so I'd say that the Trump/Pence team is doing just fine, that's a win.

Fauci Says U.S. Coronavirus Deaths May Be 'More Like 60,000'; Antibody Tests On Way

The predicted death toll has fallen, Dr. Anthony Fauci says, because of Americans' embrace of physical separation and other restrictions.

www.npr.org

ummmm.... no. most were unnecessary deaths. the vast majority could have been prevented if donny didn't ignore the warnings, waived the regs early on, signed & enforced the DPA early on, AND signed off on a NATION WIDE shelter in place directive. if he didn't finally do what was needed, the numbers would be as high as the SCIENTISTS modeled. they are still gonna rise due to the selfish dumbfuck hayseed states that refused to be inconvenienced for a few weeks & stay the fuck home.

1. Unnecessary deaths? Got a link proving that? Even the crazy "hoax" democrats aren't claiming that?!
2. Donny can waive regs, but NOT LAWS. Read the fucking LAW. I gave you the link

simply not having the PPE or ventilators or even fucking SWABS for the tests is a fail on donny's part. bigley. that's the first thing in line to saving lives. they knew this was coming & shut the experts out of meetings specifically held regarding COVID 19 held in a SCIF at the HHS.

that's another thing di-rectly attributed to deaths occurring needlessly.

I see words but no link or proof.
Words are meaningless without proof.
They're doing 150,000 tests a day. The CDC started out doing 300. That's a win. The capacity is increasing in leaps and bounds, so democrats have no room to talk after the disaster, train-wreck, embarrassment, known as the Obamacare rollout happened, when the web site didn't work. His crowning achievement?!. You can try to pick nits against Trump, but everyone sees how a government is supposed to function, especially after 8-years of BO & Biden.

whatever happened to:
"Over a million tests have been distributed," Pence said, and "before the end of this week, another 4 million tests will be distributed." ?

or donny saying “Anybody that wants a test [for the coronavirus] can get a test.”

NONE of that has even been close to happening; guess they fucking lied.

that is a FAIL on donny's part. a bigley FAIL.

anyhoo, about them thar links? i never claim a thing without credible links to back it up:

Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot
By Melissa HealyStaff Writer
April 7, 2020
12:39 PM
The United States has roughly 173,000 ventilators scattered across the country, according to the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins University. It may sound like a lot, but there could be 31 times as many patients who need one, experts from Harvard Medical School predict.
Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot


Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Audrey Conklin
Fox BusinessApril 7, 2020
The United States' shortage of novel coronavirus test kits is the result of rapidly increasing demand met with a weak national supply chain and disruptive federal regulations.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Office of the Inspector General interviewed 323 hospitals across 46 States in March and issued a report Monday that found most U.S. hospitals are experiencing testing shortages and extended wait times for test results.

A shortage of COVID-19 test kits is similarly a direct result of rapidly growing demand for COVID-19 kits and a "shortage of physical components" needed to make the tests, The New Yorker reported on March 24.

The physical components in question include virtual transport media, which are used to safely transport a specimen taken from a patient to a lab; extraction kits, which isolate viral RNA from biological samples; reagents, which are substances or compounds added to a sample to determine whether it contains COVID-19; and test swabs, according to The New Yorker.
Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources
Politics
March 11, 2020 / 4:29 PM / a month ago

Aram Roston, Marisa Taylor
7 Min Read


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.
Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”
Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

you're welcome.

1. They are doing 100,000 to 150,000 tests per day, that adds up to over 1m in a few days. Additional capacity is being added as it becomes available, such as the 15-minute test and the 5-minute test. Anyone can get a test as long as they have a doctor's order. US Historical Data

2. Ventilators are adequate. They are being moved from cool spots to hot spots, they are also being mass produced by GM & Tesla & Ford.
"The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) estimates that the concurrent need for ventilators in the United States will peak at about 17,000 on April 14, though the actual number could fall anywhere within a range of about 8,000 to 35,500. It’s estimated that we have about 170,000 ventilators in the country..."

3. Test kit shortage? Not true, its not March 4th???. Try to stay current. They are doing about 150,000 tests per day, and that will be ramping up as more equipment comes online. The new 15-minute and 5-minute tests will be game-changers when widely available, as well as the new "anti-body" tests. US Historical Data

4. Trump is having daily pressers with any questions the MSM wants to ask. If the WH has classified meetings, that is their prerogative.

5. You're welcome again, see how well the Federal Government can be run with competent managers.

1)they are doing 100k tests a day - NOW. not when it most counted.... pence lied when he said millions would be tested 'by the end of the week' WHEN HE SAID IT SEVERAL WEEKS AGO donny lied when he said 'anybody who wants a test can have one' WHEN HE SAID IT SEVERAL WEEKS AGO. & now he's changed his tune & said not everybody needs a test because he knew he was caught LYING. again.

2) ventilators could have & should have been in production months ago thru the DPA, in anticipation; but donny refused to sign off on it. we don't have enough & they shouldn't hafa be shuffled around - given the vast need & scope of this disease.

3) yes - inadequate amt of test kits & lack of components is fact. where are all the testing sites supposed to be available in big box stores like walmart like they said several weeks ago? THEY LIED. my sister has the virus & the only test site in the surrounding metro area & suburbs where the population exceeds several hundred thousand, is a hospital parking garage. they are only testing from 9am - 12 noon & only testing 35 people a day. that was just last week, so noooooooooooo there are not enough tests no matter what they are telling you.

4) bullshit. not all questions are being asked, it depends on who he calls on & i've seen him covet the mic at times & not allow fauci to answer even when a Q is directed right at him..

5) & now for the truth about the ignoring, incompetency, & over all fuck ups that cause people to die unnecessarily:

'We have thrown 15 years of institutional learning out the window': Leaked emails show top public health experts raised alarm about the Trump administration's botched coronavirus response

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...6f590d5cd41e11bea0f/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

facts hurt you - i know, but knowledge is power.

Very good responses. Well thought and well presented.
1. When Obama left office the CDC could do about 300 tests per day. That was fine for Ebola. H1N1 infected 61,000,000 Americans but "only" 12,500 died since it was not a very lethal virus. COVID-19 is much more contagious and lethal than H1N1. Trump had to develop new testing capacity. From 300/day we're now up to about 150,000/day. The multi-million per day is being worked on. Please remember that the US moved 12,000 factories and 3m manufacturing jobs to China over the past 30-years, so the US has very limited manufacturing capacity. It takes time to make stuff.
2. We have enough ventilators when managed properly. They are being moved from cold states to hot spots as well as being fabricated by GM, Ford, and Tesla. Again, imagine how difficult it is switching from making cars to making complex ventilators. Why were all ventilators, and PPE made in China?
3. Sorry to hear about your sister, hope she has a mild case. Its also true that testing capacity is not uniformly distributed throughout the country. New tests have been approved, one for 5-minutes and one for 15-minutes, but with limited manufacturing capacity its impossible to mass produce the electronics fast enough to suit everyone.
4. Trump does allow Fauci and Birx to answer technical questions, but he stops reporters from rehashing how we got here questions. Obama never got asked those types of questions, it was softball after softball after softball.
5. Compared to other countries on an equal population basis the US is doing better than most, so you would not be able to prove incompetence in court, just partisan bias.
6. Ready to restart the US economy on a limited mitigating basis?
7. From your email chain: "The chatter on the blogs is that WHO and CDC are behind the curve" That says it all doesn't it? No one was told the TRUTH about COVID, so no one knew the truth. WHO said it was NOT transmissable human to human, so why waste $billions we don't have.....until the truth came out. Put the blame where it belongs, not just for partisan politics.

 

[kyzr]

At present the 538 poll shows that Trump's approval and disapproval are both about 48%.

How Americans View Biden’s Response To The Coronavirus Crisis

We’re tracking how concerned Americans are about COVID-19, the economy and President Biden’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Those numbers are very partisan with both parties disagreeing.

So lets look at it differently.
Since Biden originally called Trump's travel ban "xenophobic", and now supports it.
Who would you rather as president to manage the COVID-19 response, Trump or Biden?
(hint: remember the Obamacare rollout and how well that went?)

Just based on this report, I choose Biden

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Trump was still publicly downplaying the risk.

Navarro’s strongly worded initial memo did not match up with the rhetoric Trump was using. The president was still downplaying the threat of the coronavirus outbreak well into early March.

In mid-February, Trump told governors “a lot of people think [the virus] goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in,” and as late as March 9 the president was still comparing the severity of the coronavirus to the “common flu” and signaled businesses would not be shut down.

In the Feb. 23 memo, which was addressed to the White House and attributed to Navarro but not signed by him, Navarro warns that “this is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill,”

In his second memo, Navarro estimated that a “full-blown COVID-19 pandemic” could infect as many as 100 million Americans and kill as many as 1.2 million, the Times reports.

Navarro’s second memo seemed aimed at the White House task force, according to the newspaper.

“Any member of the Task Force who wants to be cautious about appropriating funds for a crisis that could inflict trillions of dollars in economic damage and take millions of lives has come to the wrong administration,” the memo reportedly said.

The Trump administration ended up asking Congress for $2.5 billion, an amount Democrats criticized as too low, and in early March approved a $8.3 billion coronavirus package passed by Congress.

Trump adviser warned of coronavirus threat in January

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Tru…

thehill.com

There is a paper trail that proves this is all true.

Kudos to Navarro. However, the WHO and CDC were downplaying the virus based on lies from China and the WHO. It took time to sort thru the bullshit. The WHO said that there was no human to human transmission. China was also lying to Trump. If you want to blame anyone blame the WHO and China, not Trump.

 

[sealybobo]

At present the 538 poll shows that Trump's approval and disapproval are both about 48%.

How Americans View Biden’s Response To The Coronavirus Crisis

We’re tracking how concerned Americans are about COVID-19, the economy and President Biden’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Those numbers are very partisan with both parties disagreeing.

So lets look at it differently.
Since Biden originally called Trump's travel ban "xenophobic", and now supports it.
Who would you rather as president to manage the COVID-19 response, Trump or Biden?
(hint: remember the Obamacare rollout and how well that went?)

Just based on this report, I choose Biden

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Trump was still publicly downplaying the risk.

Navarro’s strongly worded initial memo did not match up with the rhetoric Trump was using. The president was still downplaying the threat of the coronavirus outbreak well into early March.

In mid-February, Trump told governors “a lot of people think [the virus] goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in,” and as late as March 9 the president was still comparing the severity of the coronavirus to the “common flu” and signaled businesses would not be shut down.

In the Feb. 23 memo, which was addressed to the White House and attributed to Navarro but not signed by him, Navarro warns that “this is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill,”

In his second memo, Navarro estimated that a “full-blown COVID-19 pandemic” could infect as many as 100 million Americans and kill as many as 1.2 million, the Times reports.

Navarro’s second memo seemed aimed at the White House task force, according to the newspaper.

“Any member of the Task Force who wants to be cautious about appropriating funds for a crisis that could inflict trillions of dollars in economic damage and take millions of lives has come to the wrong administration,” the memo reportedly said.

The Trump administration ended up asking Congress for $2.5 billion, an amount Democrats criticized as too low, and in early March approved a $8.3 billion coronavirus package passed by Congress.

Trump adviser warned of coronavirus threat in January

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Tru…

thehill.com

There is a paper trail that proves this is all true.

Kudos to Navarro. However, the WHO and CDC were downplaying the virus based on lies from China and the WHO. It took time to sort thru the bullshit. The WHO said that there was no human to human transmission. China was also lying to Trump. If you want to blame anyone blame the WHO and China, not Trump.

Bush was given bad information, now Trump. I thought Trump only surrounded himself with the best and brightest. How come everyones quitting or getting fired? Next thing you know Trump's calling them losers. Remember Rex Tillerson? First he loved him, then Rex called Trump an idiot, you didn't listen, here we are.

 

[kyzr]

We went from 2 million projected deaths to 60,000.

Trump is doing fine. Pelosi is the dumb whore who went to Chinatown and told everybody to visit in a really stupid political stunt.

unfuckingbelievable; only a deplorable would think that 60K dead is a win for donny.

60k dead is a win for Donny, look at the EU for comparison, the EU has 3x the US deaths

The "experts" predicted 2,200,000 US deaths at the start of the pandemic based on global rates:

'Terrifying' New Research Warns 2.2 Million Could Die From Coronavirus in US Without Drastic Action

"Only now is the White House coming out of denial and heading straight into saying it could not have been foreseen."

www.commondreams.org

Then the US did so well that the "experts" revised their predictions downward to between 100,00 and 200,000 US deaths

100,000–200,000 COVID-19 Deaths. Where Does That Estimate Come From?

Infectious disease modelers are projecting COVID-19 death toll.

www.managedhealthcareexecutive.com

The "experts" latest predictions are for about 60,000 US deaths, so I'd say that the Trump/Pence team is doing just fine, that's a win.

Fauci Says U.S. Coronavirus Deaths May Be 'More Like 60,000'; Antibody Tests On Way

The predicted death toll has fallen, Dr. Anthony Fauci says, because of Americans' embrace of physical separation and other restrictions.

www.npr.org

ummmm.... no. most were unnecessary deaths. the vast majority could have been prevented if donny didn't ignore the warnings, waived the regs early on, signed & enforced the DPA early on, AND signed off on a NATION WIDE shelter in place directive. if he didn't finally do what was needed, the numbers would be as high as the SCIENTISTS modeled. they are still gonna rise due to the selfish dumbfuck hayseed states that refused to be inconvenienced for a few weeks & stay the fuck home.

1. Unnecessary deaths? Got a link proving that? Even the crazy "hoax" democrats aren't claiming that?!
2. Donny can waive regs, but NOT LAWS. Read the fucking LAW. I gave you the link

simply not having the PPE or ventilators or even fucking SWABS for the tests is a fail on donny's part. bigley. that's the first thing in line to saving lives. they knew this was coming & shut the experts out of meetings specifically held regarding COVID 19 held in a SCIF at the HHS.

that's another thing di-rectly attributed to deaths occurring needlessly.

I see words but no link or proof.
Words are meaningless without proof.
They're doing 150,000 tests a day. The CDC started out doing 300. That's a win. The capacity is increasing in leaps and bounds, so democrats have no room to talk after the disaster, train-wreck, embarrassment, known as the Obamacare rollout happened, when the web site didn't work. His crowning achievement?!. You can try to pick nits against Trump, but everyone sees how a government is supposed to function, especially after 8-years of BO & Biden.

whatever happened to:
"Over a million tests have been distributed," Pence said, and "before the end of this week, another 4 million tests will be distributed." ?

or donny saying “Anybody that wants a test [for the coronavirus] can get a test.”

NONE of that has even been close to happening; guess they fucking lied.

that is a FAIL on donny's part. a bigley FAIL.

anyhoo, about them thar links? i never claim a thing without credible links to back it up:

Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot
By Melissa HealyStaff Writer
April 7, 2020
12:39 PM
The United States has roughly 173,000 ventilators scattered across the country, according to the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins University. It may sound like a lot, but there could be 31 times as many patients who need one, experts from Harvard Medical School predict.
Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot


Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Audrey Conklin
Fox BusinessApril 7, 2020
The United States' shortage of novel coronavirus test kits is the result of rapidly increasing demand met with a weak national supply chain and disruptive federal regulations.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Office of the Inspector General interviewed 323 hospitals across 46 States in March and issued a report Monday that found most U.S. hospitals are experiencing testing shortages and extended wait times for test results.

A shortage of COVID-19 test kits is similarly a direct result of rapidly growing demand for COVID-19 kits and a "shortage of physical components" needed to make the tests, The New Yorker reported on March 24.

The physical components in question include virtual transport media, which are used to safely transport a specimen taken from a patient to a lab; extraction kits, which isolate viral RNA from biological samples; reagents, which are substances or compounds added to a sample to determine whether it contains COVID-19; and test swabs, according to The New Yorker.
Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources
Politics
March 11, 2020 / 4:29 PM / a month ago

Aram Roston, Marisa Taylor
7 Min Read


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.
Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”
Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

you're welcome.

1. They are doing 100,000 to 150,000 tests per day, that adds up to over 1m in a few days. Additional capacity is being added as it becomes available, such as the 15-minute test and the 5-minute test. Anyone can get a test as long as they have a doctor's order. US Historical Data

2. Ventilators are adequate. They are being moved from cool spots to hot spots, they are also being mass produced by GM & Tesla & Ford.
"The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) estimates that the concurrent need for ventilators in the United States will peak at about 17,000 on April 14, though the actual number could fall anywhere within a range of about 8,000 to 35,500. It’s estimated that we have about 170,000 ventilators in the country..."

3. Test kit shortage? Not true, its not March 4th???. Try to stay current. They are doing about 150,000 tests per day, and that will be ramping up as more equipment comes online. The new 15-minute and 5-minute tests will be game-changers when widely available, as well as the new "anti-body" tests. US Historical Data

4. Trump is having daily pressers with any questions the MSM wants to ask. If the WH has classified meetings, that is their prerogative.

5. You're welcome again, see how well the Federal Government can be run with competent managers.

Trump is reactive we needed proactive.

WTF are you smokin? We need Trump, period. Your democrap talking points aren't working. Maybe you need to focus more on Joe Biden than Trump? No one is going to vote for Sleazy Breezy Joe.

You sure? Because in 2016 more people voted for Hillary than Trump. And that was before Trump proved to be incompetent.

Trump cut funding to the departments that deal with infectious diseases. That alone exposes him and all Republicans for not understanding the importance of government. Now we see what happens when Republicans cut important government positions.

No, those positions weren't important, until a virus came. So Trump gambled and lost. He's FIRED.

1. Yes I'm sure, I'm voting for Trump over Biden. I'm also sure that Trump hasn't lost any voters from 2016. You haven't been bragging on old Joe? How come??
2. "Incompetent" was rolling out Obamacare and have the web site not work. "Incompetent" was giving Iran $1.7b in cash via plane and another $150b in sanctions relief to develop their nuke and ICBM programs as well aas fund their terror networks.
3. Trump did not cut funding or dissolve its pandemic response team. Stop lying, but then again, that's all the democrats have, lies. Lies about the Mueller INvestigation, lies about Russian Collusion, lies about Ukraine and the sham impeachment.

No, the White House Didn’t ‘Dissolve’ Its Pandemic Response Office | RealClearPolitics

President Trump gets his share of criticism some warranted, much not. But recently the presidents critics have chosen curious ground to question his...

www.realclearpolitics.com

Yes he did cut funding and cut out positions that were specifically created to deal with pandemics. Why are you denying? And you can't even provide a link explaining that Trump did not cut funding? Simply you Trump supporters just say it's not true and that's that? Fucking brainwashed liars. But at least you admit nothing even common sense and facts won't change your small brain.

• The Trump administration has also spent the past several years dismantling the very government programs responsible for combatting a global health crisis.

Trump spent the past 2 years slashing the government agencies responsible for handling the coronavirus outbreak

The Trump administration has spent the past several years gutting the government programs responsible for combatting a global health crisis.

www.businessinsider.com

In 2018, for instance, the CDC cut 80% of its efforts to prevent global disease outbreaks because it was running out of money. Ultimately, the department went from working in 49 countries to just 10.

Here are some other actions the Trump administration undertook to dismantle government-spending programs related to fighting the spread of global diseases, according to Foreign Policy:

• Shutting down the entire global-health-security unit of the National Security Council.
• Eliminating the US government's $30 million Complex Crises Fund.
• Reducing national health spending by $15 billion.
• Consistently attacking Mark Green, the director of the US Agency for International Development.

Trump did NOT cut funding. Congress fully funded those agencies. So says politifact:

Did Donald Trump fire pandemic officials, defund CDC?

During a CNN town hall before the South Carolina primary, Mike Bloomberg — a former New York City mayor and Democratic p

www.politifact.com

 

[sealybobo]

We went from 2 million projected deaths to 60,000.

Trump is doing fine. Pelosi is the dumb whore who went to Chinatown and told everybody to visit in a really stupid political stunt.

unfuckingbelievable; only a deplorable would think that 60K dead is a win for donny.

60k dead is a win for Donny, look at the EU for comparison, the EU has 3x the US deaths

The "experts" predicted 2,200,000 US deaths at the start of the pandemic based on global rates:

'Terrifying' New Research Warns 2.2 Million Could Die From Coronavirus in US Without Drastic Action

"Only now is the White House coming out of denial and heading straight into saying it could not have been foreseen."

www.commondreams.org

Then the US did so well that the "experts" revised their predictions downward to between 100,00 and 200,000 US deaths

100,000–200,000 COVID-19 Deaths. Where Does That Estimate Come From?

Infectious disease modelers are projecting COVID-19 death toll.

www.managedhealthcareexecutive.com

The "experts" latest predictions are for about 60,000 US deaths, so I'd say that the Trump/Pence team is doing just fine, that's a win.

Fauci Says U.S. Coronavirus Deaths May Be 'More Like 60,000'; Antibody Tests On Way

The predicted death toll has fallen, Dr. Anthony Fauci says, because of Americans' embrace of physical separation and other restrictions.

www.npr.org

ummmm.... no. most were unnecessary deaths. the vast majority could have been prevented if donny didn't ignore the warnings, waived the regs early on, signed & enforced the DPA early on, AND signed off on a NATION WIDE shelter in place directive. if he didn't finally do what was needed, the numbers would be as high as the SCIENTISTS modeled. they are still gonna rise due to the selfish dumbfuck hayseed states that refused to be inconvenienced for a few weeks & stay the fuck home.

1. Unnecessary deaths? Got a link proving that? Even the crazy "hoax" democrats aren't claiming that?!
2. Donny can waive regs, but NOT LAWS. Read the fucking LAW. I gave you the link

simply not having the PPE or ventilators or even fucking SWABS for the tests is a fail on donny's part. bigley. that's the first thing in line to saving lives. they knew this was coming & shut the experts out of meetings specifically held regarding COVID 19 held in a SCIF at the HHS.

that's another thing di-rectly attributed to deaths occurring needlessly.

I see words but no link or proof.
Words are meaningless without proof.
They're doing 150,000 tests a day. The CDC started out doing 300. That's a win. The capacity is increasing in leaps and bounds, so democrats have no room to talk after the disaster, train-wreck, embarrassment, known as the Obamacare rollout happened, when the web site didn't work. His crowning achievement?!. You can try to pick nits against Trump, but everyone sees how a government is supposed to function, especially after 8-years of BO & Biden.

whatever happened to:
"Over a million tests have been distributed," Pence said, and "before the end of this week, another 4 million tests will be distributed." ?

or donny saying “Anybody that wants a test [for the coronavirus] can get a test.”

NONE of that has even been close to happening; guess they fucking lied.

that is a FAIL on donny's part. a bigley FAIL.

anyhoo, about them thar links? i never claim a thing without credible links to back it up:

Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot
By Melissa HealyStaff Writer
April 7, 2020
12:39 PM
The United States has roughly 173,000 ventilators scattered across the country, according to the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins University. It may sound like a lot, but there could be 31 times as many patients who need one, experts from Harvard Medical School predict.
Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot


Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Audrey Conklin
Fox BusinessApril 7, 2020
The United States' shortage of novel coronavirus test kits is the result of rapidly increasing demand met with a weak national supply chain and disruptive federal regulations.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Office of the Inspector General interviewed 323 hospitals across 46 States in March and issued a report Monday that found most U.S. hospitals are experiencing testing shortages and extended wait times for test results.

A shortage of COVID-19 test kits is similarly a direct result of rapidly growing demand for COVID-19 kits and a "shortage of physical components" needed to make the tests, The New Yorker reported on March 24.

The physical components in question include virtual transport media, which are used to safely transport a specimen taken from a patient to a lab; extraction kits, which isolate viral RNA from biological samples; reagents, which are substances or compounds added to a sample to determine whether it contains COVID-19; and test swabs, according to The New Yorker.
Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources
Politics
March 11, 2020 / 4:29 PM / a month ago

Aram Roston, Marisa Taylor
7 Min Read


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.
Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”
Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

you're welcome.

1. They are doing 100,000 to 150,000 tests per day, that adds up to over 1m in a few days. Additional capacity is being added as it becomes available, such as the 15-minute test and the 5-minute test. Anyone can get a test as long as they have a doctor's order. US Historical Data

2. Ventilators are adequate. They are being moved from cool spots to hot spots, they are also being mass produced by GM & Tesla & Ford.
"The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) estimates that the concurrent need for ventilators in the United States will peak at about 17,000 on April 14, though the actual number could fall anywhere within a range of about 8,000 to 35,500. It’s estimated that we have about 170,000 ventilators in the country..."

3. Test kit shortage? Not true, its not March 4th???. Try to stay current. They are doing about 150,000 tests per day, and that will be ramping up as more equipment comes online. The new 15-minute and 5-minute tests will be game-changers when widely available, as well as the new "anti-body" tests. US Historical Data

4. Trump is having daily pressers with any questions the MSM wants to ask. If the WH has classified meetings, that is their prerogative.

5. You're welcome again, see how well the Federal Government can be run with competent managers.

Trump is reactive we needed proactive.

WTF are you smokin? We need Trump, period. Your democrap talking points aren't working. Maybe you need to focus more on Joe Biden than Trump? No one is going to vote for Sleazy Breezy Joe.

You sure? Because in 2016 more people voted for Hillary than Trump. And that was before Trump proved to be incompetent.

Trump cut funding to the departments that deal with infectious diseases. That alone exposes him and all Republicans for not understanding the importance of government. Now we see what happens when Republicans cut important government positions.

No, those positions weren't important, until a virus came. So Trump gambled and lost. He's FIRED.

1. Yes I'm sure, I'm voting for Trump over Biden. I'm also sure that Trump hasn't lost any voters from 2016. You haven't been bragging on old Joe? How come??
2. "Incompetent" was rolling out Obamacare and have the web site not work. "Incompetent" was giving Iran $1.7b in cash via plane and another $150b in sanctions relief to develop their nuke and ICBM programs as well aas fund their terror networks.
3. Trump did not cut funding or dissolve its pandemic response team. Stop lying, but then again, that's all the democrats have, lies. Lies about the Mueller INvestigation, lies about Russian Collusion, lies about Ukraine and the sham impeachment.

No, the White House Didn’t ‘Dissolve’ Its Pandemic Response Office | RealClearPolitics

President Trump gets his share of criticism some warranted, much not. But recently the presidents critics have chosen curious ground to question his...

www.realclearpolitics.com

Yes he did cut funding and cut out positions that were specifically created to deal with pandemics. Why are you denying? And you can't even provide a link explaining that Trump did not cut funding? Simply you Trump supporters just say it's not true and that's that? Fucking brainwashed liars. But at least you admit nothing even common sense and facts won't change your small brain.

• The Trump administration has also spent the past several years dismantling the very government programs responsible for combatting a global health crisis.

Trump spent the past 2 years slashing the government agencies responsible for handling the coronavirus outbreak

The Trump administration has spent the past several years gutting the government programs responsible for combatting a global health crisis.

www.businessinsider.com

In 2018, for instance, the CDC cut 80% of its efforts to prevent global disease outbreaks because it was running out of money. Ultimately, the department went from working in 49 countries to just 10.

Here are some other actions the Trump administration undertook to dismantle government-spending programs related to fighting the spread of global diseases, according to Foreign Policy:

• Shutting down the entire global-health-security unit of the National Security Council.
• Eliminating the US government's $30 million Complex Crises Fund.
• Reducing national health spending by $15 billion.
• Consistently attacking Mark Green, the director of the US Agency for International Development.

Trump did NOT cut funding. Congress fully funded those agencies. So says politifact:

Did Donald Trump fire pandemic officials, defund CDC?

During a CNN town hall before the South Carolina primary, Mike Bloomberg — a former New York City mayor and Democratic p

www.politifact.com

Half true!!! LOL. Did you read the thing?

 

[sealybobo]

We went from 2 million projected deaths to 60,000.

Trump is doing fine. Pelosi is the dumb whore who went to Chinatown and told everybody to visit in a really stupid political stunt.

unfuckingbelievable; only a deplorable would think that 60K dead is a win for donny.

60k dead is a win for Donny, look at the EU for comparison, the EU has 3x the US deaths

The "experts" predicted 2,200,000 US deaths at the start of the pandemic based on global rates:

'Terrifying' New Research Warns 2.2 Million Could Die From Coronavirus in US Without Drastic Action

"Only now is the White House coming out of denial and heading straight into saying it could not have been foreseen."

www.commondreams.org

Then the US did so well that the "experts" revised their predictions downward to between 100,00 and 200,000 US deaths

100,000–200,000 COVID-19 Deaths. Where Does That Estimate Come From?

Infectious disease modelers are projecting COVID-19 death toll.

www.managedhealthcareexecutive.com

The "experts" latest predictions are for about 60,000 US deaths, so I'd say that the Trump/Pence team is doing just fine, that's a win.

Fauci Says U.S. Coronavirus Deaths May Be 'More Like 60,000'; Antibody Tests On Way

The predicted death toll has fallen, Dr. Anthony Fauci says, because of Americans' embrace of physical separation and other restrictions.

www.npr.org

ummmm.... no. most were unnecessary deaths. the vast majority could have been prevented if donny didn't ignore the warnings, waived the regs early on, signed & enforced the DPA early on, AND signed off on a NATION WIDE shelter in place directive. if he didn't finally do what was needed, the numbers would be as high as the SCIENTISTS modeled. they are still gonna rise due to the selfish dumbfuck hayseed states that refused to be inconvenienced for a few weeks & stay the fuck home.

1. Unnecessary deaths? Got a link proving that? Even the crazy "hoax" democrats aren't claiming that?!
2. Donny can waive regs, but NOT LAWS. Read the fucking LAW. I gave you the link

simply not having the PPE or ventilators or even fucking SWABS for the tests is a fail on donny's part. bigley. that's the first thing in line to saving lives. they knew this was coming & shut the experts out of meetings specifically held regarding COVID 19 held in a SCIF at the HHS.

that's another thing di-rectly attributed to deaths occurring needlessly.

I see words but no link or proof.
Words are meaningless without proof.
They're doing 150,000 tests a day. The CDC started out doing 300. That's a win. The capacity is increasing in leaps and bounds, so democrats have no room to talk after the disaster, train-wreck, embarrassment, known as the Obamacare rollout happened, when the web site didn't work. His crowning achievement?!. You can try to pick nits against Trump, but everyone sees how a government is supposed to function, especially after 8-years of BO & Biden.

whatever happened to:
"Over a million tests have been distributed," Pence said, and "before the end of this week, another 4 million tests will be distributed." ?

or donny saying “Anybody that wants a test [for the coronavirus] can get a test.”

NONE of that has even been close to happening; guess they fucking lied.

that is a FAIL on donny's part. a bigley FAIL.

anyhoo, about them thar links? i never claim a thing without credible links to back it up:

Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot
By Melissa HealyStaff Writer
April 7, 2020
12:39 PM
The United States has roughly 173,000 ventilators scattered across the country, according to the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins University. It may sound like a lot, but there could be 31 times as many patients who need one, experts from Harvard Medical School predict.
Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot


Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Audrey Conklin
Fox BusinessApril 7, 2020
The United States' shortage of novel coronavirus test kits is the result of rapidly increasing demand met with a weak national supply chain and disruptive federal regulations.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Office of the Inspector General interviewed 323 hospitals across 46 States in March and issued a report Monday that found most U.S. hospitals are experiencing testing shortages and extended wait times for test results.

A shortage of COVID-19 test kits is similarly a direct result of rapidly growing demand for COVID-19 kits and a "shortage of physical components" needed to make the tests, The New Yorker reported on March 24.

The physical components in question include virtual transport media, which are used to safely transport a specimen taken from a patient to a lab; extraction kits, which isolate viral RNA from biological samples; reagents, which are substances or compounds added to a sample to determine whether it contains COVID-19; and test swabs, according to The New Yorker.
Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources
Politics
March 11, 2020 / 4:29 PM / a month ago

Aram Roston, Marisa Taylor
7 Min Read


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.
Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”
Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

you're welcome.

1. They are doing 100,000 to 150,000 tests per day, that adds up to over 1m in a few days. Additional capacity is being added as it becomes available, such as the 15-minute test and the 5-minute test. Anyone can get a test as long as they have a doctor's order. US Historical Data

2. Ventilators are adequate. They are being moved from cool spots to hot spots, they are also being mass produced by GM & Tesla & Ford.
"The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) estimates that the concurrent need for ventilators in the United States will peak at about 17,000 on April 14, though the actual number could fall anywhere within a range of about 8,000 to 35,500. It’s estimated that we have about 170,000 ventilators in the country..."

3. Test kit shortage? Not true, its not March 4th???. Try to stay current. They are doing about 150,000 tests per day, and that will be ramping up as more equipment comes online. The new 15-minute and 5-minute tests will be game-changers when widely available, as well as the new "anti-body" tests. US Historical Data

4. Trump is having daily pressers with any questions the MSM wants to ask. If the WH has classified meetings, that is their prerogative.

5. You're welcome again, see how well the Federal Government can be run with competent managers.

Trump is reactive we needed proactive.

WTF are you smokin? We need Trump, period. Your democrap talking points aren't working. Maybe you need to focus more on Joe Biden than Trump? No one is going to vote for Sleazy Breezy Joe.

You sure? Because in 2016 more people voted for Hillary than Trump. And that was before Trump proved to be incompetent.

Trump cut funding to the departments that deal with infectious diseases. That alone exposes him and all Republicans for not understanding the importance of government. Now we see what happens when Republicans cut important government positions.

No, those positions weren't important, until a virus came. So Trump gambled and lost. He's FIRED.

1. Yes I'm sure, I'm voting for Trump over Biden. I'm also sure that Trump hasn't lost any voters from 2016. You haven't been bragging on old Joe? How come??
2. "Incompetent" was rolling out Obamacare and have the web site not work. "Incompetent" was giving Iran $1.7b in cash via plane and another $150b in sanctions relief to develop their nuke and ICBM programs as well aas fund their terror networks.
3. Trump did not cut funding or dissolve its pandemic response team. Stop lying, but then again, that's all the democrats have, lies. Lies about the Mueller INvestigation, lies about Russian Collusion, lies about Ukraine and the sham impeachment.

No, the White House Didn’t ‘Dissolve’ Its Pandemic Response Office | RealClearPolitics

President Trump gets his share of criticism some warranted, much not. But recently the presidents critics have chosen curious ground to question his...

www.realclearpolitics.com

Yes he did cut funding and cut out positions that were specifically created to deal with pandemics. Why are you denying? And you can't even provide a link explaining that Trump did not cut funding? Simply you Trump supporters just say it's not true and that's that? Fucking brainwashed liars. But at least you admit nothing even common sense and facts won't change your small brain.

• The Trump administration has also spent the past several years dismantling the very government programs responsible for combatting a global health crisis.

Trump spent the past 2 years slashing the government agencies responsible for handling the coronavirus outbreak

The Trump administration has spent the past several years gutting the government programs responsible for combatting a global health crisis.

www.businessinsider.com

In 2018, for instance, the CDC cut 80% of its efforts to prevent global disease outbreaks because it was running out of money. Ultimately, the department went from working in 49 countries to just 10.

Here are some other actions the Trump administration undertook to dismantle government-spending programs related to fighting the spread of global diseases, according to Foreign Policy:

• Shutting down the entire global-health-security unit of the National Security Council.
• Eliminating the US government's $30 million Complex Crises Fund.
• Reducing national health spending by $15 billion.
• Consistently attacking Mark Green, the director of the US Agency for International Development.

Trump did NOT cut funding. Congress fully funded those agencies. So says politifact:

Did Donald Trump fire pandemic officials, defund CDC?

During a CNN town hall before the South Carolina primary, Mike Bloomberg — a former New York City mayor and Democratic p

www.politifact.com

Seriously, new poll to you Republicans. Who would you vote for? Lex Luthor or Hillary Clinton? Biden or Lex? Lex or Obama?

 

[kyzr]

At present the 538 poll shows that Trump's approval and disapproval are both about 48%.

How Americans View Biden’s Response To The Coronavirus Crisis

We’re tracking how concerned Americans are about COVID-19, the economy and President Biden’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Those numbers are very partisan with both parties disagreeing.

So lets look at it differently.
Since Biden originally called Trump's travel ban "xenophobic", and now supports it.
Who would you rather as president to manage the COVID-19 response, Trump or Biden?
(hint: remember the Obamacare rollout and how well that went?)

Just based on this report, I choose Biden

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Trump was still publicly downplaying the risk.

Navarro’s strongly worded initial memo did not match up with the rhetoric Trump was using. The president was still downplaying the threat of the coronavirus outbreak well into early March.

In mid-February, Trump told governors “a lot of people think [the virus] goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in,” and as late as March 9 the president was still comparing the severity of the coronavirus to the “common flu” and signaled businesses would not be shut down.

In the Feb. 23 memo, which was addressed to the White House and attributed to Navarro but not signed by him, Navarro warns that “this is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill,”

In his second memo, Navarro estimated that a “full-blown COVID-19 pandemic” could infect as many as 100 million Americans and kill as many as 1.2 million, the Times reports.

Navarro’s second memo seemed aimed at the White House task force, according to the newspaper.

“Any member of the Task Force who wants to be cautious about appropriating funds for a crisis that could inflict trillions of dollars in economic damage and take millions of lives has come to the wrong administration,” the memo reportedly said.

The Trump administration ended up asking Congress for $2.5 billion, an amount Democrats criticized as too low, and in early March approved a $8.3 billion coronavirus package passed by Congress.

Trump adviser warned of coronavirus threat in January

President Trump’s trade adviser, Peter Navarro, reportedly warned his White House colleagues about the threat the novel coronavirus posed to the U.S. public in a memo in late January, when Tru…

thehill.com

There is a paper trail that proves this is all true.

Kudos to Navarro. However, the WHO and CDC were downplaying the virus based on lies from China and the WHO. It took time to sort thru the bullshit. The WHO said that there was no human to human transmission. China was also lying to Trump. If you want to blame anyone blame the WHO and China, not Trump.

Bush was given bad information, now Trump. I thought Trump only surrounded himself with the best and brightest. How come everyones quitting or getting fired? Next thing you know Trump's calling them losers. Remember Rex Tillerson? First he loved him, then Rex called Trump an idiot, you didn't listen, here we are.

Tillerson and Cohn are globalists, they didn't fit in with a populist admin. Good riddance.

 

[kyzr]

We went from 2 million projected deaths to 60,000.

Trump is doing fine. Pelosi is the dumb whore who went to Chinatown and told everybody to visit in a really stupid political stunt.

unfuckingbelievable; only a deplorable would think that 60K dead is a win for donny.

60k dead is a win for Donny, look at the EU for comparison, the EU has 3x the US deaths

The "experts" predicted 2,200,000 US deaths at the start of the pandemic based on global rates:

'Terrifying' New Research Warns 2.2 Million Could Die From Coronavirus in US Without Drastic Action

"Only now is the White House coming out of denial and heading straight into saying it could not have been foreseen."

www.commondreams.org

Then the US did so well that the "experts" revised their predictions downward to between 100,00 and 200,000 US deaths

100,000–200,000 COVID-19 Deaths. Where Does That Estimate Come From?

Infectious disease modelers are projecting COVID-19 death toll.

www.managedhealthcareexecutive.com

The "experts" latest predictions are for about 60,000 US deaths, so I'd say that the Trump/Pence team is doing just fine, that's a win.

Fauci Says U.S. Coronavirus Deaths May Be 'More Like 60,000'; Antibody Tests On Way

The predicted death toll has fallen, Dr. Anthony Fauci says, because of Americans' embrace of physical separation and other restrictions.

www.npr.org

ummmm.... no. most were unnecessary deaths. the vast majority could have been prevented if donny didn't ignore the warnings, waived the regs early on, signed & enforced the DPA early on, AND signed off on a NATION WIDE shelter in place directive. if he didn't finally do what was needed, the numbers would be as high as the SCIENTISTS modeled. they are still gonna rise due to the selfish dumbfuck hayseed states that refused to be inconvenienced for a few weeks & stay the fuck home.

1. Unnecessary deaths? Got a link proving that? Even the crazy "hoax" democrats aren't claiming that?!
2. Donny can waive regs, but NOT LAWS. Read the fucking LAW. I gave you the link

simply not having the PPE or ventilators or even fucking SWABS for the tests is a fail on donny's part. bigley. that's the first thing in line to saving lives. they knew this was coming & shut the experts out of meetings specifically held regarding COVID 19 held in a SCIF at the HHS.

that's another thing di-rectly attributed to deaths occurring needlessly.

I see words but no link or proof.
Words are meaningless without proof.
They're doing 150,000 tests a day. The CDC started out doing 300. That's a win. The capacity is increasing in leaps and bounds, so democrats have no room to talk after the disaster, train-wreck, embarrassment, known as the Obamacare rollout happened, when the web site didn't work. His crowning achievement?!. You can try to pick nits against Trump, but everyone sees how a government is supposed to function, especially after 8-years of BO & Biden.

whatever happened to:
"Over a million tests have been distributed," Pence said, and "before the end of this week, another 4 million tests will be distributed." ?

or donny saying “Anybody that wants a test [for the coronavirus] can get a test.”

NONE of that has even been close to happening; guess they fucking lied.

that is a FAIL on donny's part. a bigley FAIL.

anyhoo, about them thar links? i never claim a thing without credible links to back it up:

Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot
By Melissa HealyStaff Writer
April 7, 2020
12:39 PM
The United States has roughly 173,000 ventilators scattered across the country, according to the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins University. It may sound like a lot, but there could be 31 times as many patients who need one, experts from Harvard Medical School predict.
Ventilators for coronavirus patients are in short supply. How scientists might pivot


Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Audrey Conklin
Fox BusinessApril 7, 2020
The United States' shortage of novel coronavirus test kits is the result of rapidly increasing demand met with a weak national supply chain and disruptive federal regulations.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Office of the Inspector General interviewed 323 hospitals across 46 States in March and issued a report Monday that found most U.S. hospitals are experiencing testing shortages and extended wait times for test results.

A shortage of COVID-19 test kits is similarly a direct result of rapidly growing demand for COVID-19 kits and a "shortage of physical components" needed to make the tests, The New Yorker reported on March 24.

The physical components in question include virtual transport media, which are used to safely transport a specimen taken from a patient to a lab; extraction kits, which isolate viral RNA from biological samples; reagents, which are substances or compounds added to a sample to determine whether it contains COVID-19; and test swabs, according to The New Yorker.
Why is there still a coronavirus test kit shortage in the US?

Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources
Politics
March 11, 2020 / 4:29 PM / a month ago

Aram Roston, Marisa Taylor
7 Min Read


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.
Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”
Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

you're welcome.

1. They are doing 100,000 to 150,000 tests per day, that adds up to over 1m in a few days. Additional capacity is being added as it becomes available, such as the 15-minute test and the 5-minute test. Anyone can get a test as long as they have a doctor's order. US Historical Data

2. Ventilators are adequate. They are being moved from cool spots to hot spots, they are also being mass produced by GM & Tesla & Ford.
"The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) estimates that the concurrent need for ventilators in the United States will peak at about 17,000 on April 14, though the actual number could fall anywhere within a range of about 8,000 to 35,500. It’s estimated that we have about 170,000 ventilators in the country..."

3. Test kit shortage? Not true, its not March 4th???. Try to stay current. They are doing about 150,000 tests per day, and that will be ramping up as more equipment comes online. The new 15-minute and 5-minute tests will be game-changers when widely available, as well as the new "anti-body" tests. US Historical Data

4. Trump is having daily pressers with any questions the MSM wants to ask. If the WH has classified meetings, that is their prerogative.

5. You're welcome again, see how well the Federal Government can be run with competent managers.

Trump is reactive we needed proactive.

WTF are you smokin? We need Trump, period. Your democrap talking points aren't working. Maybe you need to focus more on Joe Biden than Trump? No one is going to vote for Sleazy Breezy Joe.

You sure? Because in 2016 more people voted for Hillary than Trump. And that was before Trump proved to be incompetent.

Trump cut funding to the departments that deal with infectious diseases. That alone exposes him and all Republicans for not understanding the importance of government. Now we see what happens when Republicans cut important government positions.

No, those positions weren't important, until a virus came. So Trump gambled and lost. He's FIRED.

1. Yes I'm sure, I'm voting for Trump over Biden. I'm also sure that Trump hasn't lost any voters from 2016. You haven't been bragging on old Joe? How come??
2. "Incompetent" was rolling out Obamacare and have the web site not work. "Incompetent" was giving Iran $1.7b in cash via plane and another $150b in sanctions relief to develop their nuke and ICBM programs as well aas fund their terror networks.
3. Trump did not cut funding or dissolve its pandemic response team. Stop lying, but then again, that's all the democrats have, lies. Lies about the Mueller INvestigation, lies about Russian Collusion, lies about Ukraine and the sham impeachment.

No, the White House Didn’t ‘Dissolve’ Its Pandemic Response Office | RealClearPolitics

President Trump gets his share of criticism some warranted, much not. But recently the presidents critics have chosen curious ground to question his...

www.realclearpolitics.com

Yes he did cut funding and cut out positions that were specifically created to deal with pandemics. Why are you denying? And you can't even provide a link explaining that Trump did not cut funding? Simply you Trump supporters just say it's not true and that's that? Fucking brainwashed liars. But at least you admit nothing even common sense and facts won't change your small brain.

• The Trump administration has also spent the past several years dismantling the very government programs responsible for combatting a global health crisis.

Trump spent the past 2 years slashing the government agencies responsible for handling the coronavirus outbreak

The Trump administration has spent the past several years gutting the government programs responsible for combatting a global health crisis.

www.businessinsider.com

In 2018, for instance, the CDC cut 80% of its efforts to prevent global disease outbreaks because it was running out of money. Ultimately, the department went from working in 49 countries to just 10.

Here are some other actions the Trump administration undertook to dismantle government-spending programs related to fighting the spread of global diseases, according to Foreign Policy:

• Shutting down the entire global-health-security unit of the National Security Council.
• Eliminating the US government's $30 million Complex Crises Fund.
• Reducing national health spending by $15 billion.
• Consistently attacking Mark Green, the director of the US Agency for International Development.

Trump did NOT cut funding. Congress fully funded those agencies. So says politifact:

Did Donald Trump fire pandemic officials, defund CDC?

During a CNN town hall before the South Carolina primary, Mike Bloomberg — a former New York City mayor and Democratic p

www.politifact.com

Half true!!! LOL. Did you read the thing?

Half true because two guys left and weren't replaced, they weren't fired, period.

 

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At present the 538 poll shows that Trump's approval and disapproval are both about 48%.

How Americans View Biden’s Response To The Coronavirus Crisis

We’re tracking how concerned Americans are about COVID-19, the economy and President Biden’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Those numbers are very partisan with both parties disagreeing.

So lets look at it differently.
Since Biden originally called Trump's travel ban "xenophobic", and now supports it.
Who would you rather as president to manage the COVID-19 response, Trump or Biden?
(hint: remember the Obamacare rollout and how well that went?)

You are wasting everyone's time....biden will not be the nominee