Who's Fault is it Really?

[the_human_being]

We have law schools which graduate law students schooled in pretty much the same way from one to the other. We have engineering schools which teach their engineering students in pretty much the same way. We have many Christian Bible colleges which graduate our pastors, evangelists, and clergy supposedly using one basic book (the Bible) from which to teach all these graduates. Why then since basically only one book is used to teach so many are so many taught totally different things?

A sinner who has never been brought up in a church is surely at a disadvantage. He turns on his television and here is a preacher teaching that he is hell bound for his sins. He turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching all are saved and there is no hell awaiting him. He later turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching that the church will be zapped away in a pre-trib rapture to safety while he will suffer unimaginable horrors and everlasting punishment. He turns the channel again and he finds another preacher preaching that there will be no rapture at all of the church or anyone else. He turns the channel yet again and here's a preacher speaking in some kind of gibberish tongue. He throws up his hands and declares that all those who spent their time and money in all the different Bible colleges should get an immediate refund.

 

[Pogo]

He throws up his hands and declares that all those who spent their time and money in all the different Bible colleges should get an immediate refund.

As should all those who spent their time and money on watching television...

 

[the_human_being]

He throws up his hands and declares that all those who spent their time and money in all the different Bible colleges should get an immediate refund.

As should all those who spent their time and money on watching television...

So, you say it is the sinner's fault for watching television preachers. What might he have heard had he attended different churches on any given Sunday? Anything different than what he heard on his television?

 

[HaShev]

1)They all stray far off course from the Torah.
To claim a moshiach they must bring you to Torah, if not then they were not Moshiach.
2)only one central source the Mikdash does not exist, because you allow the imposter temple in Rome to instruct the world using the false prophet as the icon they speak behind=useless and irrelevant organization.
3) only one person can best instruct the teachers to go out and teach,
read -Dan 10:21
That is why the building is called Mikdash, dash means the building referring to....thus they tell you theTemple in his name...it's not called Jesusdash, then there's your answer to your question! who's fault is the division and confusion? The false prophet which is Rome behind the image's mask.

 

[Ringel05]

We have law schools which graduate law students schooled in pretty much the same way from one to the other. We have engineering schools which teach their engineering students in pretty much the same way. We have many Christian Bible colleges which graduate our pastors, evangelists, and clergy supposedly using one basic book (the Bible) from which to teach all these graduates. Why then since basically only one book is used to teach so many are so many taught totally different things?

A sinner who has never been brought up in a church is surely at a disadvantage. He turns on his television and here is a preacher teaching that he is hell bound for his sins. He turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching all are saved and there is no hell awaiting him. He later turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching that the church will be zapped away in a pre-trib rapture to safety while he will suffer unimaginable horrors and everlasting punishment. He turns the channel again and he finds another preacher preaching that there will be no rapture at all of the church or anyone else. He turns the channel yet again and here's a preacher speaking in some kind of gibberish tongue. He throws up his hands and declares that all those who spent their time and money in all the different Bible colleges should get an immediate refund.

life's a bitch and doesn't give refunds...... Unless you're Hindu.......

 

[Luddly Neddite]

We have law schools which graduate law students schooled in pretty much the same way from one to the other. We have engineering schools which teach their engineering students in pretty much the same way. We have many Christian Bible colleges which graduate our pastors, evangelists, and clergy supposedly using one basic book (the Bible) from which to teach all these graduates. Why then since basically only one book is used to teach so many are so many taught totally different things?

A sinner who has never been brought up in a church is surely at a disadvantage. He turns on his television and here is a preacher teaching that he is hell bound for his sins. He turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching all are saved and there is no hell awaiting him. He later turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching that the church will be zapped away in a pre-trib rapture to safety while he will suffer unimaginable horrors and everlasting punishment. He turns the channel again and he finds another preacher preaching that there will be no rapture at all of the church or anyone else. He turns the channel yet again and here's a preacher speaking in some kind of gibberish tongue. He throws up his hands and declares that all those who spent their time and money in all the different Bible colleges should get an immediate refund.

The one thing all denominations have in common is that they offer eternal life in return for money. Buy your way to heaven. The gullible fall for it. The really gullible cover their bets by sending bucks to several.

Then they rot in their graves.

 

[Hamlet091765]

1)They all stray far off course from the Torah.
To claim a moshiach they must bring you to Torah, if not then they were not Moshiach.
2)only one central source the Mikdash does not exist, because you allow the imposter temple in Rome to instruct the world using the false prophet as the icon they speak behind=useless and irrelevant organization.
3) only one person can best instruct the teachers to go out and teach,
read -Dan 10:21
That is why the building is called Mikdash, dash means the building referring to....thus they tell you theTemple in his name...it's not called Jesusdash, then there's your answer to your question! who's fault is the division and confusion? The false prophet which is Rome behind the image's mask.

Not being Jewish, I have a meager understanding of Judaism, but does the Mikdash mentioned in Exodus still exist? One definition I found said that Mikdash means holy place, so could that refer to more than one synagogue or
whatever you call your houses of worship?

 

[Hamlet091765]

We have law schools which graduate law students schooled in pretty much the same way from one to the other. We have engineering schools which teach their engineering students in pretty much the same way. We have many Christian Bible colleges which graduate our pastors, evangelists, and clergy supposedly using one basic book (the Bible) from which to teach all these graduates. Why then since basically only one book is used to teach so many are so many taught totally different things?

A sinner who has never been brought up in a church is surely at a disadvantage. He turns on his television and here is a preacher teaching that he is hell bound for his sins. He turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching all are saved and there is no hell awaiting him. He later turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching that the church will be zapped away in a pre-trib rapture to safety while he will suffer unimaginable horrors and everlasting punishment. He turns the channel again and he finds another preacher preaching that there will be no rapture at all of the church or anyone else. He turns the channel yet again and here's a preacher speaking in some kind of gibberish tongue. He throws up his hands and declares that all those who spent their time and money in all the different Bible colleges should get an immediate refund.

The one thing all denominations have in common is that they offer eternal life in return for money. Buy your way to heaven. The gullible fall for it. The really gullible cover their bets by sending bucks to several.

Then they rot in their graves.

I haven't came across that situation yet. The UMC, which is where I attend services, is a service oriented sect that advocates we help one another but I don't have the idea they want anyone to buy their way into Heaven.

The OT speaks of Judaic believers doing work and making
gifts to the Lord but perhaps people misunderstand the meaning of doing so. IMO it means to demonstrate one's faith in God, to walk the walk in addition to talking the talk. Perhaps the Jewish poster could enlighten us on that issue.

 

[amrchaos]

Its easy to understand the "confusion" between what different preachers preach.

Try actually reading the NT--with a complete list describing who the Messiah is and what he is to do.

For instance, who is Jesus father?

Most Christians will tell you it is God and talk about the Immaculate conception and so forth. However, if this is true, then Jesus is not of the Bloodline of David and therefore not the Messiah!

Even stranger, the work one of the authors of the Gospel took time to show that Joseph was of the Bloodline of David--only to claim later that Jesus was not his son!

Thats Christianity for ya!

 

[Darkwind]

We have law schools which graduate law students schooled in pretty much the same way from one to the other. We have engineering schools which teach their engineering students in pretty much the same way. We have many Christian Bible colleges which graduate our pastors, evangelists, and clergy supposedly using one basic book (the Bible) from which to teach all these graduates. Why then since basically only one book is used to teach so many are so many taught totally different things?

A sinner who has never been brought up in a church is surely at a disadvantage. He turns on his television and here is a preacher teaching that he is hell bound for his sins. He turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching all are saved and there is no hell awaiting him. He later turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching that the church will be zapped away in a pre-trib rapture to safety while he will suffer unimaginable horrors and everlasting punishment. He turns the channel again and he finds another preacher preaching that there will be no rapture at all of the church or anyone else. He turns the channel yet again and here's a preacher speaking in some kind of gibberish tongue. He throws up his hands and declares that all those who spent their time and money in all the different Bible colleges should get an immediate refund.

So, engineers are all taught the same thing.....yet....they come up with different things....don't they?

Old school...



But the same engineering students came up with this..




How is that possible?!!!???!!!

 

[amrchaos]

We have law schools which graduate law students schooled in pretty much the same way from one to the other. We have engineering schools which teach their engineering students in pretty much the same way. We have many Christian Bible colleges which graduate our pastors, evangelists, and clergy supposedly using one basic book (the Bible) from which to teach all these graduates. Why then since basically only one book is used to teach so many are so many taught totally different things?

A sinner who has never been brought up in a church is surely at a disadvantage. He turns on his television and here is a preacher teaching that he is hell bound for his sins. He turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching all are saved and there is no hell awaiting him. He later turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching that the church will be zapped away in a pre-trib rapture to safety while he will suffer unimaginable horrors and everlasting punishment. He turns the channel again and he finds another preacher preaching that there will be no rapture at all of the church or anyone else. He turns the channel yet again and here's a preacher speaking in some kind of gibberish tongue. He throws up his hands and declares that all those who spent their time and money in all the different Bible colleges should get an immediate refund.

So, engineers are all taught the same thing.....yet....they come up with different things....don't they?

Old school...



But the same engineering students came up with this..




How is that possible?!!!???!!!

You would make a great Christian apologist! You just gave the most mistaken analogue in terms of what is being said ever.

You are allowed to use creativity to change the design of the bridge, but the fundamental understanding of how to make a safe bridge is still the same.

The same goes for religion--you are allowed to use creativity to spread the message, but the underlining message must stay the same. However, the underlining message in the op's example are different-- get it?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Why then since basically only one book is used to teach so many are so many taught totally different things?"

Because the bible was written by men, imbued with man's arrogance, fear, ignorance, and hate, which in turn is used by various Christian sects to justify their arrogance, fear, ignorance, and hate.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"A sinner who has never been brought up in a church is surely at a disadvantage."

Nonsense.

Those free from faith are in no way 'sinners,' quite the opposite, in fact.

And they enjoy the advantage of having not been subject to errant religious indoctrination.

 

[Ringel05]

Welllllllll, looks like the anti christian, know-nothing haters have chimed in. Thanks for your stupidity and ignorance guys, we'll let knowledgeable people take it from here.

As for what you the OP was driving at ya got it wrong also. Not all Engineers agree on everything, lawyers interpret law differently and *gasp* even people trained as pastors and priests interpret the bible differently. It's not as simple as you or some of the low lifes that already responded want to think or to put it another way it's as simple as understanding human motivations, backgrounds, biases, abilities, etc ad nauseum......

 

[HaShev]

Hamlet, I think an analogy might be best to describe this.
Reflection and manifestation of that Essence is how we honor Creator/Creation. So we reflect that nature to be complete and whole=/evolve/progress to what we could and should be. So the analogy I'm gonna use is people standing around a cleared lot new home site.
The home owners waiting for construction guys to come start the home, the construction guys sitting at home waiting for the phone call from their boss to be instructed on which site and structure design plans to build, the blueprint designer waiting for the owners to submit size and structure and design ideas, the bank waiting on final pricing and first inspection.
So the owner sits and waits and nothing gets done, nobody is doing any work, nobody is gaining instructions, everybody assumes it will get done like magically that house will be built this way everyone waiting on someone else to do what their responsible for doing... guess what people, that house never gets built.
It doesn't just plop down from the sky, and it's not been existing for all times....
EVERYTHING HAS A PROCESS, A STARTING POINT, IF YOU EXPECT IT TO JUST BE THERE WITHOUT WORKING TO OBTAIN IT THEN YOU ARE IN FOR A RUDE AWAKENING.......pssst people we are in that rude awakening, the one where humanity realizes it messed up and created hell instead of what could & should be paradise.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

We have law schools which graduate law students schooled in pretty much the same way from one to the other. We have engineering schools which teach their engineering students in pretty much the same way. We have many Christian Bible colleges which graduate our pastors, evangelists, and clergy supposedly using one basic book (the Bible) from which to teach all these graduates. Why then since basically only one book is used to teach so many are so many taught totally different things?

A sinner who has never been brought up in a church is surely at a disadvantage. He turns on his television and here is a preacher teaching that he is hell bound for his sins. He turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching all are saved and there is no hell awaiting him. He later turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching that the church will be zapped away in a pre-trib rapture to safety while he will suffer unimaginable horrors and everlasting punishment. He turns the channel again and he finds another preacher preaching that there will be no rapture at all of the church or anyone else. He turns the channel yet again and here's a preacher speaking in some kind of gibberish tongue. He throws up his hands and declares that all those who spent their time and money in all the different Bible colleges should get an immediate refund.

The one thing all denominations have in common is that they offer eternal life in return for money. Buy your way to heaven. The gullible fall for it. The really gullible cover their bets by sending bucks to several.

Then they rot in their graves.

I haven't came across that situation yet. The UMC, which is where I attend services, is a service oriented sect that advocates we help one another but I don't have the idea they want anyone to buy their way into Heaven.

The OT speaks of Judaic believers doing work and making
gifts to the Lord but perhaps people misunderstand the meaning of doing so. IMO it means to demonstrate one's faith in God, to walk the walk in addition to talking the talk. Perhaps the Jewish poster could enlighten us on that issue.

I have no idea what "UMC" refers to (University Medical Center?) but I daresay you have not yet died so you really can't speak to my point.

Or maybe you're the first to come back ... ?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

"A sinner who has never been brought up in a church is surely at a disadvantage."

Nonsense.

Those free from faith are in no way 'sinners,' quite the opposite, in fact.

And they enjoy the advantage of having not been subject to errant religious indoctrination.

One of these days, I'll start a thread and ask just what the heck all these sins are cuz I must be missing something!

IMO, most people don't sin.

Why do people say that people sin?

Sure, there are sinners but most people just live their lives without ever really harming anyone.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

We have law schools which graduate law students schooled in pretty much the same way from one to the other. We have engineering schools which teach their engineering students in pretty much the same way. We have many Christian Bible colleges which graduate our pastors, evangelists, and clergy supposedly using one basic book (the Bible) from which to teach all these graduates. Why then since basically only one book is used to teach so many are so many taught totally different things?

A sinner who has never been brought up in a church is surely at a disadvantage. He turns on his television and here is a preacher teaching that he is hell bound for his sins. He turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching all are saved and there is no hell awaiting him. He later turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching that the church will be zapped away in a pre-trib rapture to safety while he will suffer unimaginable horrors and everlasting punishment. He turns the channel again and he finds another preacher preaching that there will be no rapture at all of the church or anyone else. He turns the channel yet again and here's a preacher speaking in some kind of gibberish tongue. He throws up his hands and declares that all those who spent their time and money in all the different Bible colleges should get an immediate refund.

So...God loves you but went out of his way to create a dimension where you exist forever in pain and suffering so he can send all the people he doesn't like there?

You guys need to read more.

 

[BluePhantom]

We have law schools which graduate law students schooled in pretty much the same way from one to the other. We have engineering schools which teach their engineering students in pretty much the same way. We have many Christian Bible colleges which graduate our pastors, evangelists, and clergy supposedly using one basic book (the Bible) from which to teach all these graduates. Why then since basically only one book is used to teach so many are so many taught totally different things?

A sinner who has never been brought up in a church is surely at a disadvantage. He turns on his television and here is a preacher teaching that he is hell bound for his sins. He turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching all are saved and there is no hell awaiting him. He later turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching that the church will be zapped away in a pre-trib rapture to safety while he will suffer unimaginable horrors and everlasting punishment. He turns the channel again and he finds another preacher preaching that there will be no rapture at all of the church or anyone else. He turns the channel yet again and here's a preacher speaking in some kind of gibberish tongue. He throws up his hands and declares that all those who spent their time and money in all the different Bible colleges should get an immediate refund.

Well there are many reasons why you see so many different interpretations of scripture. One is because the languages used to write the Bible are so old that many words mean different things today than they did when they were written and the meanings of some words have been lost to history completely. So when things got translated throughout history many of the words changed.

For example, JakeStarkey and I were discussing this on a different thread. In 1 Corinthians 13, the KJV talks about the importance of "charity". But if you read it in Greek, which the KJV was translated from, the section is talking about "love". So why is it different? Well because in the 17th century when the KJV was translated, "charity" and "love" meant the same thing when used as a noun. So if someone said "I give you all the charity in my heart" they were saying "I love you". Today charity means something else. So people who are aware of this difference will say that 1 Cor. 13 is about treating each other with respect. Those who are unaware of this think 1 Cor. 13 is talking about giving money to the needy. So that's just a simple example of an effect of language and translation that was just a few hundred years ago. Imagine how the problem multiplies when you are looking at things that were written 2,000 years ago or more.

By comparison lawyers, in the USA, use laws that were written recently and in English originally so there are far fewer language problems. Engineers rely upon principles that stay constant. For example, a given type of stone can support a given amount of weight and that has remained constant for thousands of years.

 

[BluePhantom]

We have law schools which graduate law students schooled in pretty much the same way from one to the other. We have engineering schools which teach their engineering students in pretty much the same way. We have many Christian Bible colleges which graduate our pastors, evangelists, and clergy supposedly using one basic book (the Bible) from which to teach all these graduates. Why then since basically only one book is used to teach so many are so many taught totally different things?

A sinner who has never been brought up in a church is surely at a disadvantage. He turns on his television and here is a preacher teaching that he is hell bound for his sins. He turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching all are saved and there is no hell awaiting him. He later turns the channel and here is a preacher teaching that the church will be zapped away in a pre-trib rapture to safety while he will suffer unimaginable horrors and everlasting punishment. He turns the channel again and he finds another preacher preaching that there will be no rapture at all of the church or anyone else. He turns the channel yet again and here's a preacher speaking in some kind of gibberish tongue. He throws up his hands and declares that all those who spent their time and money in all the different Bible colleges should get an immediate refund.

The one thing all denominations have in common is that they offer eternal life in return for money. Buy your way to heaven. The gullible fall for it. The really gullible cover their bets by sending bucks to several.

Then they rot in their graves.

Jeez. What a bunch of horseshit. Yes there are some who do that (i.e. Scientology) but most don't at all. If you are referring to tithing, that has nothing to do with "buying your way to heaven" and everything to do with helping a pastor make a living and giving to the church fund for charitable purposes. I have never been to a single church where the pastor said that giving money would increase your chances of going to heaven. Not even at the real screaming holy roller churches I have been to do they say that. I have seen a few televangelists and cults make that argument but that's about it