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The free speech Nazi. What makes you assume you can silence others because you know you can't defend your own ignorance? If you don't want to know the answer..........DON'T ASK THE QUESTION. Fascists always attack what they fear most.........knowledge.
No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying it is difficult to have a conversation about God with someone who hasn't a clue about God and has no understanding of stories that are about God. To make it more difficult, you have no understanding of the themes/perspectives others have of Biblical accounts. I am speaking of God/Biblical accounts while you are speaking (and understanding) mud pies. I am of a family of atheists and we understand each other and our far different beliefs. The difference is that we are on the same page.
As do I. Different views being the criteria.actually enjoy having conversations with people with different views.
So many questions, but I have a little more time for now. The only way to have this conversation is in the framework of christians actually believing what is in the bible,and their justification of so many dichotomies.Do you believe human knowledge has grown over time, or do you believe there is no such thing as a natural disaster--God takes aim and fires when He is in the mood? Do you believe God causes every person's death no matter how they occur, or is death a part of every human life?
Pray about it?!? Snort. Either use the intelligence and knowledge we have in this day and age, or pray that you find the time to learn about natural disasters.
In early times, people of faith (and many Muslims still do) believed that no one can move as much as their little finger without it first being the will of God. The only reason the Twin Towers fell was because it was the will of God, and some Muslims were a little bit taken aback when it was not the will of God that anything in Washington DC be destroyed.
Do you hold these beliefs of God and religion?
Doesn't matter what behavior was being addressed. Why do you think that particular story can be ignored, yet all the other behaviors discussed in the bible must be adheared to. What criteria do you use to firmly believe one passage and ignore another?Using the knowledge available in his own time, the author of Noah's flood told a story of how human behavior brought about disaster. At the time there were other stories that had a great flood as the setting. Closer to our own time, we have numerous stories using the Civil War as a setting. Reading through them, we gain an understanding of what people knew--and didn't know--at that time. Each story has a theme, something that makes that account unique.
What human behavior was the author of the Noah account addressing and warning against?
More ad hominem BS with a twist of fascism? LMAO Its the fool that does not want to learn but speaks only for the sake of seeking accolade under the pretension of intelligence. (Proverbs 1:22)Again, two different people have different views. If you can't have a conversation with someone with different views, different knowledge, then why bother?
I actually enjoy having conversations with people with different views.
But it's your choice. Either have the conversation, or don't reply.
Stop me from replying .........IF YOU CAN. That's what's great about the Bill of Rights.......it helps weed out the fools. 
You just keep digging the hole deeper and deeper with your NON ANSWERS.
As do I. Different views being the criteria.
There has never been a conversation.........you present a fascist one directional opinion then declare that you feel you have the authority to prohibit further conversation. As declared, that Gotcha Moment has a flip side to that coin....no? You can't stop free speech. You never even researched the very question you expect other to address. Why does God allow children to die........and it was explained in detail via presentation of Book, Chapter and Verse explaining why children are allowed to die.Then... conversation over, by the looks of things.
Keep digging that hole........I realize you can't help it.....you must continue to masturbate (self gratify) your ego? How old are you 12 - 14?
That's been my whole point. It is you who say Christians believe what you believe about Noah's Ark. Undoubtedly some do. Most others think of it as a local natural disaster, and no more blame God for the deaths of humans and other animals than they would blame Him for the deaths caused by modern natural disasters.If Christians believe it happened, they have to justify all those deaths to maintain the myth of a loving, forgiving god, and to justify their opposition to abortion.
I am insistent it not be ignored. One more time: What specific behavior needed to be changed/corrected?Why do you think that particular story can be ignored,
Christians don't believe the Flood story? I suspect I could find millions who disagree with you. However, since I'm discussing Christianity with you, your particular flavor of Christianity must be considered. Having said that, i'm back to needing to know just what parts of the bible you hold to be accurate, and what consistent criteria do you use to accept or ignore each part. Do you have a consistent criteria, or is it just a matter of what you feel is accurate as opposed to what you feel is not accurate?That's been my whole point. It is you who say Christians believe what you believe about Noah's Ark. Undoubtedly some do. Most others think of it as a local natural disaster, and no more blame God for the deaths of humans and other animals than they would blame Him for the deaths caused by modern natural disasters.
Meanwhile, the author had a theme and lesson to present to the people of his own time. It started out with the people recognizing their behavior was not up to the ideal. What was it, specifically, they recognized about themselves?
perhaps ignored is the wrong word. Obviously, you are saying it is not an accurate depiction of events. Why won't you tell me how you decide to believe parts of te bible as opposed to ignoring other parts?I am insistent it not be ignored. One more time: What specific behavior needed to be changed/corrected?
perhaps ignored is the wrong word. Obviously, you are saying it is not an accurate depiction of events. Why won't you tell me how you decide to believe parts of te bible as opposed to ignoring other parts?
Since it's a Christian story, you should be able to point to the verse/ verses that describe what behavior needed changing.
Not your version....Christians don't believe the Flood story?
Go ahead...find your millions. I can find millions more who agree. I learned from them--and from Jews who have a deeper understanding of the Old Testament than many Christians.Christians don't believe the Flood story? I suspect I could find millions who disagree with you. However, since I'm discussing Christianity with you, your particular flavor of Christianity must be considered.
My criteria?i'm back to needing to know just what parts of the bible you hold to be accurate, and what consistent criteria do you use to accept or ignore each part. Do you have a consistent criteria, or is it just a matter of what you feel is accurate as opposed to what you feel is not accurate?
I am saying it is a very accurate presentation of a lesson which uses a great flood as its setting. Ask yourself, what did people about God? What did they believe about humanity? What lesson is being presented using the flood as a setting?Obviously, you are saying it is not an accurate depiction of events.
I am not the one who "decides" what parts to believe about the Bible, so I suspect that is what you do and then project what you do onto others. I suggest reading all of what the Bible says instead of proof-texting. That prevents being unable to see the forest for the trees.Why won't you tell me how you decide to believe parts of te bible as opposed to ignoring other parts?
Trust me. I have more than just a working knowledge of the bible. I was a Christian since childhood. Grew up in the church. I was even a deacon for some years. The first thing I did upon retirement was an indepth study of the new testiment in order to become a better Christian. After some time there, I moved on to the old testiment. Only then did I realize just how much i had always taken as truth was not. Don't pretend you don't know exactly what I'm talking about when I mention a particular flavor of Christianity. Give specifics that are used in your personal choice of what is to be strictly followed as truth and what can be ignored. Those specifics must be equally adhered too for all biblical stories, or they are just a convienience you use to ignore the parts you don't particularly like.My criteria?
1. Know God
2. Know as much science, history, and Biblical cultures as possible
3. Know literature. Be able to identify the use of fables, folklore, Just So stories, myths, apocalyptic, proverbs, plays, poetry, etc. and how they are used to present themes and lessons.
4. The Bible is not about cold, hard scientific facts, it is about themes and lessons that present basic truths and philosophies.
5. Know the Bible as it is, what its original authors intended to teach their original audiences, not as what you want it to be. (Many atheists want it to be a weapon to bash people of faith.)
6. Don't splash around in the shallows--take courage and explore its depths. (Years, decades, a lifetime of study.)
The story of Noah was written to educate Hebrew children like any fairy tale and was loosely based on an existing story that reflected an actual event.. There is no reason to believe a world wide flood ever happened, or that the story of Noah is anything more than an ancient legend, probably started by a real localized flood that was exaggerated
You aren't the one who decides what you believe? In that case, I'm wasting my time discussing it with you. All you can do is repeat what you have been told to believe. I already heard all that before we even started the discussion.I am saying it is a very accurate presentation of a lesson which uses a great flood as its setting. Ask yourself, what did people about God? What did they believe about humanity? What lesson is being presented using the flood as a setting?
I am not the one who "decides" what parts to believe about the Bible, so I suspect that is what you do and then project what you do onto others. I suggest reading all of what the Bible says instead of proof-texting. That prevents being unable to see the forest for the trees.
