Why are Republicans afraid of Ron Paul?

[SniperFire]

You don't need some politician with loaded personal agendas in Washington deciding how to run your life or the lives of people living in other countries for that matter.
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But what if the people decide they WANT something run thru Washington.

Do you deny the right of the people to decide?

 

[paulitician]

So you actually think the other Libertarian that said Libertarians would leave other nations to decide their own fate is full of shit?

What's so wrong with leaving other Nations to decide their own fate? Sounds good to me.

In your Libertarian world, there would be no foreign alliances of any sort.

Is this correct?


Or would you make exception based on your Libertarian preferences?

Free Trade and good relations with all. I'm not too big on entangling alliances.

 

[ThinkCritically]

So you actually think the other Libertarian that said Libertarians would leave other nations to decide their own fate is full of shit?

What's so wrong with leaving other Nations to decide their own fate? Sounds good to me.

In your Libertarian world, there would be no foreign alliances of any sort.

Is this correct?


Or would you make exception based on your Libertarian preferences?

Foreign alliance is a vague term...do you mean trade or war buddies....
I believe in free trade for the most part...countries who trade with one another don't usually end up going to war with one another.

I do not support military imperialism... nor does any other libertarian for that matter... but we don't through out the baby with the bath water either.

 

[SniperFire]

Because you CLEARLY are. You are afraid of what might become of Israeli relations if, GASP, a man like Ron Paul were president that would push for leaving nations to decide their own fates.

He's the only candidate that wouldn't be Israel's enforcer, and that scares the living shit out of you.

Insert obligatory and predictable anti-semite reply:

In a Libertarian system, would the USA be barred from forming foreign alliances?

Or are you just saying alliances can be formed as long as Libertarian-types approve of such alliances?

Barred? Of course not. There's really nothing in the constitution that forbids the government from forming an alliance. The founders warned of such a thing, but did not place any constitutional restriction on it. It could be justified by the common defense enumerated power, I suppose.

But that doesn't mean we support it as a foreign policy.

Taking sides creates unintended consequences, like creating enemies. We defend the borders and ports of foreign countries more strictly than we defend our own.

I get all of that. Your style of Libertarianism is just a wish list with no teeth.

Useless beyond the theoretical.

 

[paulitician]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifJG_oFFDK0]Ron Paul's 2002 Predictions All Come True - Incredible Video! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Paulie]

In a Libertarian system, would the USA be barred from forming foreign alliances?

Or are you just saying alliances can be formed as long as Libertarian-types approve of such alliances?

Barred? Of course not. There's really nothing in the constitution that forbids the government from forming an alliance. The founders warned of such a thing, but did not place any constitutional restriction on it. It could be justified by the common defense enumerated power, I suppose.

But that doesn't mean we support it as a foreign policy.

Taking sides creates unintended consequences, like creating enemies. We defend the borders and ports of foreign countries more strictly than we defend our own.

I get all of that. Your style of Libertarianism is just a wish list with no teeth.

Useless beyond the theoretical.

Do you have any other argument against libertarianism other than "it's not practical"...like, oh I don't know...WHY it isn't practical?

And I'm going to need a little more than the human nature routine.

Thanks

 

[SniperFire]

What's so wrong with leaving other Nations to decide their own fate? Sounds good to me.

In your Libertarian world, there would be no foreign alliances of any sort.

Is this correct?


Or would you make exception based on your Libertarian preferences?

Foreign alliance is a vague term...do you mean trade or war buddies....
I believe in free trade for the most part...countries who trade with one another don't usually end up going to war with one another.

I do not support military imperialism... nor does any other libertarian for that matter... but we don't through out the baby with the bath water either.

Any alliances.

Again, a Libertarian would just pick and choose alliances just like the rest of us.

You just think your alliances would be better than others.

There is really nothing to your libertarianism as a governing policy that we do not currently have. We will use a small 'l' with you.

 

[SniperFire]

You guys all sup from the same soundbite cock.

There really is nothing to Libertarianism as a system of government.

In implementation, it isn't even real.

It is just a wish list of the way things oughta be.

 

[kaz]

Ron Paul offers a lot of individual freedom and this scares Republicans. After all, the outcome of liberty is unknown and most Republicans are scared of the unknown. They need control and they need to manipulate the outcome

You can't trust people to own their own bodies, they might make choices Republicans disagree with. You can't trust the market to solve oil, you can't trust other countries to deal with their own problems.

Oh, but they support small government. Yeah...

 

[kaz]

Again, a Libertarian would just pick and choose alliances just like the rest of us.

You just think your alliances would be better than others.

There is really nothing to your libertarianism as a governing policy that we do not currently have. We will use a small 'l' with you.

It's not the same. For example, I support Israel, but I don't think government should be confiscating money and giving to them. If I support them, I should pay. In WWI and WWII before the US joined, many Americans joined the British military, I can take that support as far as I want. But why should I be forced to pay for the plethora of causes I don't support and why should anyone else be forced to pay for my causes?

 

[dblack]

You guys all sup from the same soundbite cock.

There really is nothing to Libertarianism as a system of government.

In implementation, it isn't even real.

It is just a wish list of the way things oughta be.

Tell us more about "Perot-style libertarianism".

 

[paulitician]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fHfdSi-GDo]Ron Paul: What if the People Wake Up? - YouTube[/ame]

 

[paulitician]

"Wartime conditions always undermine personal liberty."

Boy, did Dr. Paul nail that one or what? Hopefully Americans will wake up one day and realize that the 'War on Terror' is designed to be a permanent War. The MIC and Globalist Elites have no intention of ever allowing it to end. Only the People can step in and end it. The how & when is the only question left now.

 

[kaz]

"Wartime conditions always undermine personal liberty."

Boy, did Dr. Paul nail that one or what? Hopefully Americans will wake up one day and realize that the 'War on Terror' is designed to be a permanent War. The MIC and Globalist Elites have no intention of ever allowing it to end. Only the People can step in and end it. The how & when is the only question left now.

The only way it will end is when the people stop being such sheep and tell politicians that it's not their job to secure oil. As long as the parties attack each other for gas prices, and the people buy it, it will continue. Not sure where "gas prices" are in the Constitution, maybe I need reading glasses.

 

[paulitician]

"Wartime conditions always undermine personal liberty."

Boy, did Dr. Paul nail that one or what? Hopefully Americans will wake up one day and realize that the 'War on Terror' is designed to be a permanent War. The MIC and Globalist Elites have no intention of ever allowing it to end. Only the People can step in and end it. The how & when is the only question left now.

The only way it will end is when the people stop being such sheep and tell politicians that it's not their job to secure oil. As long as the parties attack each other for gas prices, and the people buy it, it will continue. Not sure where "gas prices" are in the Constitution, maybe I need reading glasses.

Yeah unfortunately, the 'War on Terror' is meant to be a never-ending War. The MIC and Globalist Elites have been fantasizing about such a War for many years. And now they're living their fantasy. Welcome to Police State America. It's so damn depressing.

 

[Contumacious]

You guys all sup from the same soundbite cock.There really is nothing to Libertarianism as a system of government.In implementation, it isn't even real. It is just a wish list of the way things oughta be.

Libertarians are a bunch of stupid fucks.

The losers don't know how to manage a police state.

Ignore them.

As always, Heil Hitler.

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[LibertyForAll]

You don't need some politician with loaded personal agendas in Washington deciding how to run your life or the lives of people living in other countries for that matter.

But what if the people decide they WANT something run thru Washington.

Do you deny the right of the people to decide?[/QUOTE]

I do deny the right of the people to decide to infringe upon my rights. People do not have a right to free money especially my money. The fact that you call libertarians totalitarians for wanting to protect our inalienable rights from a mob who wants to redistribute wealth shows that you are at the very least progressive and probably have socialist tendencies. Another clue is the fact that rightwinger agrees with you. This should cause you to go on a sabbatical for some deep reflection in and of itself.

I think you don't really have a grasp on how a libertarian government might work and since you can't imagine it then it must be impossible. A libertarian approach to a perceived need for welfare would be to implement a voluntary program whereby people could donate a portion of their earnings to a fund a volunteer run organization whose goal would be to see to the needy. Now you might say no one would give or volunteer but look at the United Way for example. They pull in millions despite wasting most of it. So you see there would be no need for a law since people could get what they wanted without one. That my friend is libertarianism in practical, PROVEN terms.

 

[uscitizen]

why do paulians think ANYONE is afraid of ron paul?

Because you CLEARLY are. You are afraid of what might become of Israeli relations if, GASP, a man like Ron Paul were president that would push for leaving nations to decide their own fates.

He's the only candidate that wouldn't be Israel's enforcer, and that scares the living shit out of you.

Insert obligatory and predictable anti-semite reply:

You mean like Jesus killers?

 

[ThinkCritically]

You guys all sup from the same soundbite cock.

There really is nothing to Libertarianism as a system of government.

In implementation, it isn't even real.

It is just a wish list of the way things oughta be.

What do you mean in implementation it isn't even real?

Is the bill of rights just a wish list of the way things ought be?

 

[IndependntLogic]

You don't need some politician with loaded personal agendas in Washington deciding how to run your life or the lives of people living in other countries for that matter.

But what if the people decide they WANT something run thru Washington.

Do you deny the right of the people to decide?

I do deny the right of the people to decide to infringe upon my rights. People do not have a right to free money especially my money. The fact that you call libertarians totalitarians for wanting to protect our inalienable rights from a mob who wants to redistribute wealth shows that you are at the very least progressive and probably have socialist tendencies. Another clue is the fact that rightwinger agrees with you. This should cause you to go on a sabbatical for some deep reflection in and of itself.

I think you don't really have a grasp on how a libertarian government might work and since you can't imagine it then it must be impossible. A libertarian approach to a perceived need for welfare would be to implement a voluntary program whereby people could donate a portion of their earnings to a fund a volunteer run organization whose goal would be to see to the needy. Now you might say no one would give or volunteer but look at the United Way for example. They pull in millions despite wasting most of it. So you see there would be no need for a law since people could get what they wanted without one. That my friend is libertarianism in practical, PROVEN terms.[/QUOTE]

if a Libertarian government is so great, surely at least one country is using it now! Which one?
Otherwise there's this saying in a democracy, when it comes to a small minority who want their way against the will of the majority: Fuck you.