Why Are The Mormons Having A War On Masturbation?

[koshergrl]

Oooh..so you believe people who don't masturbate rape people, therefore we must grab them young and teach them to masturbate.

Got it.

Where's your evidence? Studies?

Looking forward to this.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Read it slowly. Because it's absolutely 100 percent dead on.

No it doesn't, and you are irrational.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Oooh..so you believe people who don't masturbate rape people, therefore we must grab them young and teach them to masturbate.

Got it.

Where's your evidence? Studies?

Looking forward to this.

WTF are you talking about? Masturbate rape people? Good God, get a hold of yourself.

 

[koshergrl]

BTW:

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But this video is about porn addiction, not masturbation, which is not even mentioned. The video does not “compare masturbators to wounded soldiers,” though it does refer to porn addicts in that way. So why is the piece going viral as a “war on masturbation”?

And why is something that was created for students at one notably conservative Mormon-owned university being regarded as representing the religion as a whole?

There are many problems with the messages in this video, including these three:

1. Students should turn roommates in to their bishops if they so much as suspect someone they’re living with has a problem with porn. That’s hardly the main point of the president’s message, which is about helping friends who have a porn addiction, but it’s a disturbing undercurrent.
2. “Addiction” seems to be defined here as “any guy who looked at porn EVER while in college.” Conflating experimentation with addiction is hardly helpful to people who actually do suffer from addiction.
3. There’s no indication that women might ever have problems with porn—that’s all manly guy soldier stuff, of course.

- See more at: The Mormon war on masturbation video Flunking Sainthood

 

[koshergrl]

what do you care if other people don't masterbate?

Because I don't want a bunch of serial rapists running around. Young men are going to do it anyway, why make them feel bad about it?

So where is your evidence that people who don't masturbate rape people?

 

[Carla_Danger]

What every they do, it is their business. That's the whole point of the thread, DingDong.

Then why are you so upset that some people choose not to masturbate?

I never said that once, and you are being dishonest. What I don't agree with, is your Church putting up ridiculous, unrealistic videos.

You might have a point if the Church did.

Problem is you are lying about that.

You owe me an apology.

Wrong again. You haven't proven that the church produced that video. You've just provided evidence that a church member is somehow associated with it.

OMG, you're not very bright. The video has Kim B Clark, who is the freaking President of the Brigham Young University in the video. What the heck is the matter with you?

 

[koshergrl]

Oooh..so you believe people who don't masturbate rape people, therefore we must grab them young and teach them to masturbate.

Got it.

Where's your evidence? Studies?

Looking forward to this.

WTF are you talking about? Masturbate rape people? Good God, get a hold of yourself.

You are indeed irrational:

Avatar4321 said: ↑
what do you care if other people don't masterbate?



Carla_Danger said: Because I don't want a bunch of serial rapists running around. Young men are going to do it anyway, why make them feel bad about it?

 

[koshergrl]

Then why are you so upset that some people choose not to masturbate?

I never said that once, and you are being dishonest. What I don't agree with, is your Church putting up ridiculous, unrealistic videos.

You might have a point if the Church did.

Problem is you are lying about that.

You owe me an apology.

Wrong again. You haven't proven that the church produced that video. You've just provided evidence that a church member is somehow associated with it.

OMG, you're not very bright. The video has Kim B Clark, who is the freaking President of the Brigham Young University in the video. What the heck is the matter with you?

It has a voice over.

Again:

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But this video is about porn addiction, not masturbation, which is not even mentioned. The video does not “compare masturbators to wounded soldiers,” though it does refer to porn addicts in that way. So why is the piece going viral as a “war on masturbation”?

And why is something that was created for students at one notably conservative Mormon-owned university being regarded as representing the religion as a whole?

There are many problems with the messages in this video, including these three:

1. Students should turn roommates in to their bishops if they so much as suspect someone they’re living with has a problem with porn. That’s hardly the main point of the president’s message, which is about helping friends who have a porn addiction, but it’s a disturbing undercurrent.
2. “Addiction” seems to be defined here as “any guy who looked at porn EVER while in college.” Conflating experimentation with addiction is hardly helpful to people who actually do suffer from addiction.
3. There’s no indication that women might ever have problems with porn—that’s all manly guy soldier stuff, of course.
   
   The Mormon war on masturbation video Flunking Sainthood

 

[Carla_Danger]

BTW:

"
But this video is about porn addiction, not masturbation, which is not even mentioned. The video does not “compare masturbators to wounded soldiers,” though it does refer to porn addicts in that way. So why is the piece going viral as a “war on masturbation”?

And why is something that was created for students at one notably conservative Mormon-owned university being regarded as representing the religion as a whole?

There are many problems with the messages in this video, including these three:

1. Students should turn roommates in to their bishops if they so much as suspect someone they’re living with has a problem with porn. That’s hardly the main point of the president’s message, which is about helping friends who have a porn addiction, but it’s a disturbing undercurrent.
2. “Addiction” seems to be defined here as “any guy who looked at porn EVER while in college.” Conflating experimentation with addiction is hardly helpful to people who actually do suffer from addiction.
3. There’s no indication that women might ever have problems with porn—that’s all manly guy soldier stuff, of course.

- See more at: The Mormon war on masturbation video Flunking Sainthood

“... it [masturbation] too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation – practiced with another person of the same sex – and thence into total homosexuality.”

- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 78

"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life.... No young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice."

- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 77

“Masturbation is a sinful habit that robs one of the Spirit and creates guilt and emotional stress. It is not physically harmful unless practiced in the extreme. It is a habit that is totally self-centered, and secretive, and in no way expresses the proper use of the procreative power given to man to fulfill eternal purposes. It therefore separates a person from God, and defeats the gospel plan.
“This self-gratifying activity will cause one to lose his self-respect and feel guilty and depressed, which can in the extreme lead to further sinning. As a person feels spiritually unclean, he loses interest in prayer, his testimony becomes weak, and missionary work and other Church callings become burdensome, offering no joy and limited success...”


Mormon Quotes on Masturbation

 

[koshergrl]

The video is about addiction to porn. Progressives think that our youngsters should be encouraged to sample and engage in porn, therefore they are going to pretend that porn and maturbation are synonymous with each other.

They aren't.

If you're a kid, please don't watch porn.

 

[koshergrl]

BTW:

"
But this video is about porn addiction, not masturbation, which is not even mentioned. The video does not “compare masturbators to wounded soldiers,” though it does refer to porn addicts in that way. So why is the piece going viral as a “war on masturbation”?

And why is something that was created for students at one notably conservative Mormon-owned university being regarded as representing the religion as a whole?

There are many problems with the messages in this video, including these three:

1. Students should turn roommates in to their bishops if they so much as suspect someone they’re living with has a problem with porn. That’s hardly the main point of the president’s message, which is about helping friends who have a porn addiction, but it’s a disturbing undercurrent.
2. “Addiction” seems to be defined here as “any guy who looked at porn EVER while in college.” Conflating experimentation with addiction is hardly helpful to people who actually do suffer from addiction.
3. There’s no indication that women might ever have problems with porn—that’s all manly guy soldier stuff, of course.

- See more at: The Mormon war on masturbation video Flunking Sainthood

“... it [masturbation] too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation – practiced with another person of the same sex – and thence into total homosexuality.”

- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 78

"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life.... No young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice."

- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 77

“Masturbation is a sinful habit that robs one of the Spirit and creates guilt and emotional stress. It is not physically harmful unless practiced in the extreme. It is a habit that is totally self-centered, and secretive, and in no way expresses the proper use of the procreative power given to man to fulfill eternal purposes. It therefore separates a person from God, and defeats the gospel plan.
“This self-gratifying activity will cause one to lose his self-respect and feel guilty and depressed, which can in the extreme lead to further sinning. As a person feels spiritually unclean, he loses interest in prayer, his testimony becomes weak, and missionary work and other Church callings become burdensome, offering no joy and limited success...”


Mormon Quotes on Masturbation

Does that have something to do with the video and your bogus interpretation of it?

 

[BillyP]

So mormon women never do that kind of thing with their man's dick?

 

[koshergrl]

"Strange things are afoot in the world of viral videos. BYU’s Housing and Student Living office has created a new video called “Wounded on the Battlefield” that likens pornography addiction to wartime injury with the simple plea to “never leave a soldier behind.”

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We have created a taboo that has stretched all the way back to our homes and relationships with people we should be able to trust and confide in. You wouldn’t leave a wounded soldier on the battlefield, so why do you leave your friend or roommate alone with his (or her, dangit!) suffering and weakness?
However, the rest of the media is reporting this video as a “War on Masturbation” video. The problem, of course, as Flunking Sainthood‘s Jana Riess points out, that masturbation isn’t mentioned anywhere in the video. Ever. Perhaps it is assumed that one does not watch porn for mere visual stimulation, but still. There is no war on masturbation declared, merely a cry to help one another. But there is battlefield footage that looks like it was filmed in someone’s backyard. So there’s that.
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The Misnomered Mormon War on Masturbation VideoThis Week in Mormons

 

[koshergrl]

"Still, it appears that the Internet is missing the larger point of the video and has decided that the Church wants to liken masturbation to being in battle. To reiterate, it’s talking about porn, not the old low five.

"And of course, there’s no indication that women have any issue with porn. It’s a guy thing."

The Misnomered Mormon War on Masturbation VideoThis Week in Mormons

 

[koshergrl]

BYU students are trying to reach out to fellow students who have issues with porn.

And the progressives freak out because they whole heartedly support the porn industry.

 

[Carla_Danger]

what do you care if other people don't masterbate?

Because I don't want a bunch of serial rapists running around. Young men are going to do it anyway, why make them feel bad about it?

So where is your evidence that people who don't masturbate rape people?

I said it could lead to that.

false and unhealthy notions about sexuality

Men raised in families with strongly patriarchal structures are also more likely to become violent, to rape and use sexual coercion against women, as well as to abuse their intimate partners, than men raised in homes that are more egalitarian.

http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/violence/global_campaign/en/chap6.pdf

 

[Carla_Danger]

The video is about addiction to porn. Progressives think that our youngsters should be encouraged to sample and engage in porn, therefore they are going to pretend that porn and maturbation are synonymous with each other.

They aren't.

If you're a kid, please don't watch porn.

Again, miss selective reader. In my OP I asked....Who is it hurting, and why is it any of their business? And why would it be any of their business that he's watching porn?


1) Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet processes. Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this good company.

2) If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, you must break off their friendship. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The problem must be taken out of your mind for that is where it really exists. Your mind must be on other and more wholesome things.

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Mark Peterson
3) When you bathe, do not admire yourself in a mirror. Never stay in the bath more than five or six minutes -- just long enough to bathe and dry and dress and then get out of the bathroom into a room where you will have some member of your family present.
4) When in bed, if that is where you have your problem for the most part, dress yourself for the night so securely that you cannot easily touch your vital parts, and so that it would be difficult and time consuming for you to remove those clothes. By the time you started to remove protective clothing you would have sufficiently controlled your thinking that the temptation would leave you.

5) If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, get out of bed and go into the kitchen and fix yourself a snack, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry, and despite your fears of gaining weight. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you get your mind on something else. You are the subject of your thoughts, so to speak.

6) Never read pornographic material. Never read about your problem. Keep it out of mind. Remember -- "First a thought, then an act." The thought pattern must be changed. You must not allow this problem to remain in your mind. When you accomplish that, you soon will be free of the act.

7) Put wholesome thoughts into your mind at all times. Read good books -- Church books -- Scriptures -- Sermons of the Brethren. Make a daily habit of reading at least one chapter of Scripture, preferably from one of the four Gospels in the New Testament, or the Book of Mormon. The four Gospels -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- above anything else in the Bible can be helpful because of their uplifting qualities.

8) Pray. But when you pray, don't pray about this problem, for that will tend to keep it in your mind more than ever. Pray for faith, pray for understanding of the Scriptures, pray for the Missionaries, the General Authorities, your friends, your families, but keep the problem out of your mind by not mentioning it ever -- not in conversation with others, not in your prayers. keep it out of your mind!

9) Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this good company.


Additional suggestions after the break, including one about imagining yourself eating worms.

1) Pray daily, ask for the gifts of the Spirit, that which will strengthen you against temptation. Pray fervently and out lout when the temptations are the strongest.

2) Follow a program of vigorous daily exercise. The exercises reduce emotional tension and depression and are absolutely basic to the solution of this problem. Double your physical activity when you feel stress increasing.

3) When the temptation to masturbate is strong, yell STOP to those thoughts as loudly as you can in your mind and then recite a prechosen Scripture or sing an inspirational hymn. It is important to turn your thoughts away from the selfish need to indulge.

4) Set goals of abstinence, begin with a day, then a week, month, year and finally commit to never doing it again. Until you commit yourself to never again you will always be open to temptation.

5) Change in behavior and attitude is most easily achieved through a changed self-image. Spend time every day imagining yourself strong and in control, easily overcoming tempting situations.

6) Begin to work daily on a self-improvement program. Relate this plan to improving your Church service, to improving your relationships with your family, God and others. Strive to enhance your strengths and talents.

7) Be outgoing and friendly. Force yourself to be with others and learn to enjoy working and talking to them. Use principles of developing friendships found in books such as How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.

8) Be aware of situations that depress you or that cause you to feel lonely, bored, frustrated or discouraged. These emotional states can trigger the desire to masturbate as a way of escape. Plan in advance to counter these low periods through various activities, such as reading a book, visiting a friend, doing something athletic, etc.

9) Make a pocket calendar for a month on a small card. Carry it with you, but show it to no one. If you have a lapse of self control, color the day black. Your goal will be to have no black days. The calendar becomes a strong visual reminder of self control and should be looked at when you are tempted to add another black day. Keep your calendar up until you have at least three clear months.

10) A careful study will indicate you have had the problem at certain times and under certain conditions. Try and recall, in detail, what your particular times and conditions were. Now that you understand how it happens, plan to break the pattern through counter activities.

The Mormon Curtain - MARK E. PETERSON​

 

[Avatar4321]

What every they do, it is their business. That's the whole point of the thread, DingDong.

Then why are you so upset that some people choose not to masturbate?

I never said that once, and you are being dishonest. What I don't agree with, is your Church putting up ridiculous, unrealistic videos.

You might have a point if the Church did.

Problem is you are lying about that.

You owe me an apology.

No. I don't. Now please stop lying and claiming the Church made the video.

 

[Avatar4321]

Oooh..so you believe people who don't masturbate rape people, therefore we must grab them young and teach them to masturbate.

Got it.

Where's your evidence? Studies?

Looking forward to this.

WTF are you talking about? Masturbate rape people? Good God, get a hold of yourself.

She is talking about your ridiculous argument that not masturbating causes people to become serial rapists.

Or did you forget that?

 

[Carla_Danger]

If that's not a war on masturbation, I don't know what is.