Why aren't you wearing an N95 Mask?

[keepitreal]

money wont matter when we're dead!

TRUMP SOLD OUR FUTURE, JUST FOR PROFIT!

STFU and take your fucking meds

 

[OKTexas]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

So tell the class, which companies make N95 masks sized for children?

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Cambridge masks do... Just off the top of my head...

Also, Asian sizes arent much different to a child

According to their website, Cambridge is out of stock on everything and they make what they call an N99 mask that filters particulate pollution, not the N95, so they're off topic anyways.

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[Flopper]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

you realize those masks are supposed to be one time use. They’re not supposed to be used over & over again. They’re being done so because of because of necessity.

CDC recommends it be change every 8 hours, but that's in a hospital setting. When I calculated the number masks, I figured on a mask a day. That's why the numbers are so high. If the general public used them, most people would people would get more than a day's use because most people away from work, do not spend 8 hours a day in a public setting. There are some masks with changeable filters but I didn't look at those.

 

[Flopper]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

The people not wearing masks are the incredibly spoiled ones who don't have any objection to spreading a potentially fatal disease around society. They basically don't care if they cause the death of someone else.

That's called a lack of social conscienceless. Some people have it and some don't. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people in America that believe excising there individual freedoms takes precedence over the health and safety of the their community.

 

[freyasman]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

you realize those masks are supposed to be one time use. They’re not supposed to be used over & over again. They’re being done so because of because of necessity.

CDC recommends it be change every 8 hours, but that's in a hospital setting. When I calculated the number masks, I figured on a mask a day. That's why the numbers are so high. If the general public used them, most people would people would get more than a day's use because most people away from work, do not spend 8 hours a day in a public setting. There are some masks with changeable filters but I didn't look at those.

But a hospital setting is cleaner than being out and about. Wearing one outside of a hospital setting will cause it to be contaminated much faster as well as causing it to degrade faster.

Parachutes are extremely useful and save lives too..... in an extremely narrow set of circumstances.
Masks are the same way. If you think wearing one everywhere, all the time, is useful, then you're just not thinking.

 

[freyasman]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

The people not wearing masks are the incredibly spoiled ones who don't have any objection to spreading a potentially fatal disease around society. They basically don't care if they cause the death of someone else.

That's called a lack of social conscienceless. Some people have it and some don't. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people in America that believe excising there individual freedoms takes precedence over the health and safety of the their community.

That's bitch thinking, frankly.

 

[Flopper]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

Wearing a mask and no gloves is pointless
Shit, guys can't even wash their hands after using the restroom
Furthermore, the mexicans wipe their ass and leave the fucking toilet paper
on the fucking floor in the guys bathroom and the sanitary fixture in the woman's

Get sick and get it over with

Problem is some people don't get over it. They die.

Since when do we stop life because life is happening

If 7/10 people were dying I'd get it

There are people who exercise, eat healthy, don't smoke, drink or use drugs
and have a heart attack and die in their 30's

We all die

Yes we do. The only point I was making is that getting the virus and stopping it that way is not applicable to everybody. I certainly can't do that. If I catch it, I'm at high risk of not recovering.

There is no right or wrong decision here. Life or economics are at risk no matter which way we decide to go.

Like a lot of things in life there is a need for a balance...

I am sorry but WH has made some bad calls so far and is pushing for a quick back due election fears... We know this because he and his supporters accuses anyone who doesn't agree with him as trying to ruin the economy to hamper his election chances.

Truth is there is plenty of people like CDC, responsible Governors, etc etc... who aren't just looking at what is happening in the world but also what is happening in other countries.. Germany had hot spots and quickly identified them earlier this week and shut a region down again. This didn't take over the country because Germany is testing at levels fairly higher than US... So is Ireland, Denmark and even New Zealand (yes the country who have 10 new cases in the last 10 days and none for 4 days)...

So balance is there... This Trump Supporters calls is open and forget the science because it is awkward is reckless and dangerous...

I agree. If the pandemic had hit in Trump's first year or so year in office, he might have been more interested in providing an adequate response to the virus, even thou it hurt the economy but in an election year he has go after the votes and to him that means to open businesses and get people back to work. Of course he's gambling on the voters ignoring the cost in human lives which may well be over 200,000 by election day.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

But a hospital setting is cleaner than being out and about. Wearing one outside of a hospital setting will cause it to be contaminated much faster as well as causing it to degrade faster.

People who wear them in hospitals are dealing with patients who have the virus; not so in public. It's a slim chance you come across somebody with a virus having this thing on. So the masks will last much longer than those who are actually dealing direct with Covid-19 patents all day long.

 

[Flopper]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

you realize those masks are supposed to be one time use. They’re not supposed to be used over & over again. They’re being done so because of because of necessity.

CDC recommends it be change every 8 hours, but that's in a hospital setting. When I calculated the number masks, I figured on a mask a day. That's why the numbers are so high. If the general public used them, most people would people would get more than a day's use because most people away from work, do not spend 8 hours a day in a public setting. There are some masks with changeable filters but I didn't look at those.

But a hospital setting is cleaner than being out and about. Wearing one outside of a hospital setting will cause it to be contaminated much faster as well as causing it to degrade faster.

Parachutes are extremely useful and save lives too..... in an extremely narrow set of circumstances.
Masks are the same way. If you think wearing one everywhere, all the time, is useful, then you're just not thinking.

Just like the current masks, no one is going to wear them all the time. In fact, maybe they should be reserved for the times when you are in really high risk situation such in crowded events, such sports and concerts events, crowded bars or stores, or being around people who are sick. There was an interesting study done about the high risk vs low risk activities. About 98% of most people's day is spend in very low risk situations such as being home with family, working in the garden, fishing and hunting, camping out, hiking, bicycling, working in an environment with few people, shopping on off hours when stores are not busy, etc. Recently, I found myself in a really high risk situation in an overly crowded poorly ventilated room and all I had was one of the typical masks that do little more than filter out large dust particles. I really wished I had one of the N95 masks, I donate to our local hospital.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

you realize those masks are supposed to be one time use. They’re not supposed to be used over & over again. They’re being done so because of because of necessity.

CDC recommends it be change every 8 hours, but that's in a hospital setting. When I calculated the number masks, I figured on a mask a day. That's why the numbers are so high. If the general public used them, most people would people would get more than a day's use because most people away from work, do not spend 8 hours a day in a public setting. There are some masks with changeable filters but I didn't look at those.

But a hospital setting is cleaner than being out and about. Wearing one outside of a hospital setting will cause it to be contaminated much faster as well as causing it to degrade faster.

Parachutes are extremely useful and save lives too..... in an extremely narrow set of circumstances.
Masks are the same way. If you think wearing one everywhere, all the time, is useful, then you're just not thinking.

Just like the current masks, no one is going to wear them all the time. In fact, maybe they should be reserved for the times when you are in really high risk situation such in crowded events, such sports and concerts events, crowded bars or stores, or being around people who are sick. There was an interesting study done about the high risk vs low risk activities. About 98% of most people's day is spend in very low risk situations such as being home with family, working in the garden, fishing and hunting, camping out, hiking, bicycling, working in an environment with few people, shopping on off hours when stores are not busy, etc. Recently, I found myself in a really high risk situation in an overly crowded poorly ventilated room and all I had was one of the typical masks that do little more than filter out large dust particles. I really wished I had one of the N95 masks, I donate to our local hospital.

What you can do Flopper is line the inside of your mask with regular facial tissue paper. That will give you more protection than the mask can offer. Covid-19 contamination is like the flu. It comes in water particles. Facial tissue, or at the least, paper towels catches those particles. Knock on wood, but that's what I've been doing, and I haven't been infected yet.

 

[Flopper]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

You can't eat or drink with the mask on though. So I'm not sure that it would solve the issues with Sporting events, concerts and movies, unless, there was an agreement not to provide food or drink to these events. As for school, eating and drinking would still have to be done in the isolation of home or outside away from other people.

Still, its an excellent Idea. With a population of 332 million and 365 days in a year, will need to make BILLIONS of these N-95 mask. In fact, for the whole population to wear one mask every day, will need to make nearly 121 Billion masks to effectively supply the population for just one year. This should be one of the top goals of the country at the moment. With the uncertainty about when a Vaccine will be available, this is the a way we can find to live with the problem of this pathogen until then.

I really think, if we had N95 masks available, people would wear them in high risk environments. As the death rate gets in the hundreds of thousands and we have million of cases, people will be taking more precautions.

 

[Flopper]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

you realize those masks are supposed to be one time use. They’re not supposed to be used over & over again. They’re being done so because of because of necessity.

CDC recommends it be change every 8 hours, but that's in a hospital setting. When I calculated the number masks, I figured on a mask a day. That's why the numbers are so high. If the general public used them, most people would people would get more than a day's use because most people away from work, do not spend 8 hours a day in a public setting. There are some masks with changeable filters but I didn't look at those.

But a hospital setting is cleaner than being out and about. Wearing one outside of a hospital setting will cause it to be contaminated much faster as well as causing it to degrade faster.

Parachutes are extremely useful and save lives too..... in an extremely narrow set of circumstances.
Masks are the same way. If you think wearing one everywhere, all the time, is useful, then you're just not thinking.

Just like the current masks, no one is going to wear them all the time. In fact, maybe they should be reserved for the times when you are in really high risk situation such in crowded events, such sports and concerts events, crowded bars or stores, or being around people who are sick. There was an interesting study done about the high risk vs low risk activities. About 98% of most people's day is spend in very low risk situations such as being home with family, working in the garden, fishing and hunting, camping out, hiking, bicycling, working in an environment with few people, shopping on off hours when stores are not busy, etc. Recently, I found myself in a really high risk situation in an overly crowded poorly ventilated room and all I had was one of the typical masks that do little more than filter out large dust particles. I really wished I had one of the N95 masks, I donate to our local hospital.

What you can do Flopper is line the inside of your mask with regular facial tissue paper. That will give you more protection than the mask can offer. Covid-19 contamination is like the flu. It comes in water particles. Facial tissue, or at the least, paper towels catches those particles. Knock on wood, but that's what I've been doing, and I haven't been infected yet.

That's a good idea if you have just a brief expose but I doubt it would be practically at a crowded football game. Most of the masks I've tried, you re-breath the same air because they don't exhaust the air very well the way an N95 mask does. In fact, the masks I've used, I have to push them down under my nose often to get fresh air.

 

[freyasman]

But a hospital setting is cleaner than being out and about. Wearing one outside of a hospital setting will cause it to be contaminated much faster as well as causing it to degrade faster.

People who wear them in hospitals are dealing with patients who have the virus; not so in public. It's a slim chance you come across somebody with a virus having this thing on. So the masks will last much longer than those who are actually dealing direct with Covid-19 patents all day long.

Yeah, about that..... no.

You need to learn more about masks. I'd give you a link, but I'm on my phone right now.

 

[Sunsettommy]

PJ Media

Neurosurgeon Says Face Masks Pose Serious Risk to Healthy People

By Megan Fox May 14, 2020

Excerpt:

Every Karen on Facebook is shaming her neighbors for not wearing a face mask. We are being told by governors that if we don’t wear them we are selfish, horrible human beings with no souls who want Grandma to die a horrible death. Police are tackling people who don’t wear them properly in the subway. Grocery stores are throwing maskless people out and denying them service. But now, there’s another doctor weighing in—besides Dr. Fauci, bonafide sex god and ruler of us all, who also said face masks are largely security theater and of no use to the healthy. Dr. Russell Blaylock, a neurosurgeon, has written an editorial addressing healthy people wearing masks to protect themselves from COVID-19 and his advice is: don’t.

First, Blaylock says, there is no scientific evidence that it is effective against COVID-19 transmission. Pro-science people should care about this.

As for the scientific support for the use of face mask, a recent careful examination of the literature, in which 17 of the best studies were analyzed, concluded that, “ None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”1 Keep in mind, no studies have been done to demonstrate that either a cloth mask or the N95 mask has any effect on transmission of the COVID-19 virus. Any recommendations, therefore, have to be based on studies of influenza virus transmission. And, as you have seen, there is no conclusive evidence of their efficiency in controlling flu virus transmission.
It is also instructive to know that until recently, the CDC did not recommend wearing a face mask or covering of any kind, unless a person was known to be infected, that is, until recently. Non-infected people need not wear a mask. When a person has TB we have them wear a mask, not the entire community of non-infected. The recommendations by the CDC and the WHO are not based on any studies of this virus and have never been used to contain any other virus pandemic or epidemic in history.

LINK

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I used face masks a lot on the job, hated them because it greatly increases the difficulty of breathing, and even worse in hot weather.

 

[sparky]

~S~

 

[keepitreal]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

Wearing a mask and no gloves is pointless
Shit, guys can't even wash their hands after using the restroom
Furthermore, the mexicans wipe their ass and leave the fucking toilet paper
on the fucking floor in the guys bathroom and the sanitary fixture in the woman's

Get sick and get it over with

Problem is some people don't get over it. They die.

Since when do we stop life because life is happening

If 7/10 people were dying I'd get it

There are people who exercise, eat healthy, don't smoke, drink or use drugs
and have a heart attack and die in their 30's

We all die

Yes we do. The only point I was making is that getting the virus and stopping it that way is not applicable to everybody. I certainly can't do that. If I catch it, I'm at high risk of not recovering.

There is no right or wrong decision here. Life or economics are at risk no matter which way we decide to go.

Like a lot of things in life there is a need for a balance...

I am sorry but WH has made some bad calls so far and is pushing for a quick back due election fears... We know this because he and his supporters accuses anyone who doesn't agree with him as trying to ruin the economy to hamper his election chances.

Truth is there is plenty of people like CDC, responsible Governors, etc etc... who aren't just looking at what is happening in the world but also what is happening in other countries.. Germany had hot spots and quickly identified them earlier this week and shut a region down again. This didn't take over the country because Germany is testing at levels fairly higher than US... So is Ireland, Denmark and even New Zealand (yes the country who have 10 new cases in the last 10 days and none for 4 days)...

So balance is there... This Trump Supporters calls is open and forget the science because it is awkward is reckless and dangerous...

I agree. If the pandemic had hit in Trump's first year or so year in office, he might have been more interested in providing an adequate response to the virus, even thou it hurt the economy but in an election year he has go after the votes and to him that means to open businesses and get people back to work. Of course he's gambling on the voters ignoring the cost in human lives which may well be over 200,000 by election day.

You know what, I can't believe I'm actually going to have to say this to you...
you are talking out your ass

1. You are aware this all occurred during flu season, yes
2. You do know 650,000 people die a year from viruses, yes
3. Are you aware they replaced the H1N1 vaccine virus strain with a live virus?
Oh yeah, just for the Northern Hemisphere
4. Are you aware that knuckleheads who got a flu shot became carriers and could infect others
5. Are you aware it was egg based and less effective to bind and induce an immune response
Oh yeah, this applied to the Northern Hemisphere, WHO recommended SH use cell based
6. Are you aware this was in the last 2 years
7. Are you aware they replaced the H7 master for flu shots the last 2 years
Why...because they had a USELESS H7 STOCKPILE of a master strain
(they had been using since '09, with minimal tweaks and only 10%-60% affective)
AND AN ANTIGENIC VARIANT OF A HPAI H7N9 SUBTYPE EMERGING IN CHINA
IN THE VERY WUHAN VIRUS EPICENTER THAT HAD PANDEMIC POTENTIAL

THE 6TH WAVE IN APRIL 2019 THAT HAD BEEN ONGOING SINCE 2013
AFTER A YEAR WITHOUT CASES(18) SINCE CHANGING
THE POULTRY VACCINE STRAIN AFTER THE 5TH WAVE(16/17)

IT WENT FROM H7N9
TO HPAI H7N9
TO ANTIGENIC VARIANT HPAI H7N9 SUBTYPE
BECAUSE OF VACCINES...VACCINES THEY THROW TOGETHER
USING OTHER PROTEINS FROM OTHER VIRUSES TO FILL GAPS
IN THE VIRUS SEQUENCE THEY NEED WHOLE TO PRODUCE A VACCINE FAST
BECAUSE THEY ARE LOSING SO MUCH MONEY CULLING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS
OF PIGS AND CHICKENS BECAUSE THEY KEEP GETTING AI AND SWINE VIRUSES

BECAUSE THESE PIGS AND CHICKENS ARE WALKING IN THEIR SHIT AND PISS
ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER IN ENCLOSURES UNSANITARY AND INHUMAN
THESE ANIMALS GET DISEASES BECAUSE OF THEIR CONDITIONS
NOT BECAUSE A FUCKING PATHOGEN JUMPED OFF A FUCKING BAT

HYPOTHESIS...DID YOU KNOW THAT
PHYLOGENETIC TREES ARE NOT, I REPEAT, NOT BASED ON FACT

AFRICAN SWINE FEVER....ANOTHER CURRENT OUTBREAK IN NASTY CHINA
WHICH HAS BEEN SPREADING ACROSS EUROPE

WELL THATS WHAT WHO NAMED IT....
CAUSE GOD FORBID THEY HAVE TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT
FOR WHY THEY ARE RELEVANT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM

WHO MADE CHANGES IN MARCH 2019 TO 2019/20 NORTHERN HEMISPHERE FLU VACCINES
THEY SWITCHED OUT H7 FOR H3

WHY WERE CHINAS DEATH NUMBERS LOW
THEY ALREADY HAD A VACCINE THEY HAD BEEN USING
WHY WERE THEIR CASES SO HIGH
BECAUSE OF HOW THEY DETERMINED POSITIVE CASES

WHY WERENT CHILDREN IN CHINA AFFECTED
THEY VACCINATED THEM

WHY ARE CHILDREN HERE BEING AFFLICTED WITH SHIT NOW
DID YOU KNOW THEY STARTING USING LIVE VIRUSES
IN CHILDHOOD VACCINES RECENTLY FOR A STUDY...ME NEITHER

TRUMP DIDNT ACT SOONER
GUESS WHAT...WE CANT ACT NOW
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH

AND THAT WILL TAKE LONGER THAN IT SHOULD
BECAUSE THESE MOTHER FUCKERS ARENT GOING TO ADMIT
THEIR VACCINES ARE CAUSING ALL THESE FUCKING PROBLEMS

I'll leave links to shit I stated...i'm taking my dog out

 

[Flopper]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

you realize those masks are supposed to be one time use. They’re not supposed to be used over & over again. They’re being done so because of because of necessity.

CDC recommends it be change every 8 hours, but that's in a hospital setting. When I calculated the number masks, I figured on a mask a day. That's why the numbers are so high. If the general public used them, most people would people would get more than a day's use because most people away from work, do not spend 8 hours a day in a public setting. There are some masks with changeable filters but I didn't look at those.

But a hospital setting is cleaner than being out and about. Wearing one outside of a hospital setting will cause it to be contaminated much faster as well as causing it to degrade faster.

Parachutes are extremely useful and save lives too..... in an extremely narrow set of circumstances.
Masks are the same way. If you think wearing one everywhere, all the time, is useful, then you're just not thinking.

It depends on the setting. The manufacture recommends the masks be changed when it becomes difficult to breath, but that's probably in industrial environments where there is lot of dust, not a medical facility. The best place to use N95 masks are in high risk environment such in hospitals with covid 19 patients, crowded waiting rooms, sporting events, concerts, but probably not for everyday use.

I was at a large local hospital yesterday for some tests. I noticed the masks the receptionist, the MA, and technician were wearing look like masks you buy in a drug store. and I asked the technical if she had an N95. She said, I wish. N95 masks were only given to those in the hospital that work in the covid 19 ward.

 

[Flopper]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

Wearing a mask and no gloves is pointless
Shit, guys can't even wash their hands after using the restroom
Furthermore, the mexicans wipe their ass and leave the fucking toilet paper
on the fucking floor in the guys bathroom and the sanitary fixture in the woman's

Get sick and get it over with

Problem is some people don't get over it. They die.

Since when do we stop life because life is happening

If 7/10 people were dying I'd get it

There are people who exercise, eat healthy, don't smoke, drink or use drugs
and have a heart attack and die in their 30's

We all die

Yes we do. The only point I was making is that getting the virus and stopping it that way is not applicable to everybody. I certainly can't do that. If I catch it, I'm at high risk of not recovering.

There is no right or wrong decision here. Life or economics are at risk no matter which way we decide to go.

Like a lot of things in life there is a need for a balance...

I am sorry but WH has made some bad calls so far and is pushing for a quick back due election fears... We know this because he and his supporters accuses anyone who doesn't agree with him as trying to ruin the economy to hamper his election chances.

Truth is there is plenty of people like CDC, responsible Governors, etc etc... who aren't just looking at what is happening in the world but also what is happening in other countries.. Germany had hot spots and quickly identified them earlier this week and shut a region down again. This didn't take over the country because Germany is testing at levels fairly higher than US... So is Ireland, Denmark and even New Zealand (yes the country who have 10 new cases in the last 10 days and none for 4 days)...

So balance is there... This Trump Supporters calls is open and forget the science because it is awkward is reckless and dangerous...

I agree. If the pandemic had hit in Trump's first year or so year in office, he might have been more interested in providing an adequate response to the virus, even thou it hurt the economy but in an election year he has go after the votes and to him that means to open businesses and get people back to work. Of course he's gambling on the voters ignoring the cost in human lives which may well be over 200,000 by election day.

You know what, I can't believe I'm actually going to have to say this to you...
you are talking out your ass

1. You are aware this all occurred during flu season, yes
2. You do know 650,000 people die a year from viruses, yes
3. Are you aware they replaced the H1N1 vaccine virus strain with a live virus?
Oh yeah, just for the Northern Hemisphere
4. Are you aware that knuckleheads who got a flu shot became carriers and could infect others
5. Are you aware it was egg based and less effective to bind and induce an immune response
Oh yeah, this applied to the Northern Hemisphere, WHO recommended SH use cell based
6. Are you aware this was in the last 2 years
7. Are you aware they replaced the H7 master for flu shots the last 2 years
Why...because they had a USELESS H7 STOCKPILE of a master strain
(they had been using since '09, with minimal tweaks and only 10%-60% affective)
AND AN ANTIGENIC VARIANT OF A HPAI H7N9 SUBTYPE EMERGING IN CHINA
IN THE VERY WUHAN VIRUS EPICENTER THAT HAD PANDEMIC POTENTIAL

THE 6TH WAVE IN APRIL 2019 THAT HAD BEEN ONGOING SINCE 2013
AFTER A YEAR WITHOUT CASES(18) SINCE CHANGING
THE POULTRY VACCINE STRAIN AFTER THE 5TH WAVE(16/17)

IT WENT FROM H7N9
TO HPAI H7N9
TO ANTIGENIC VARIANT HPAI H7N9 SUBTYPE
BECAUSE OF VACCINES...VACCINES THEY THROW TOGETHER
USING OTHER PROTEINS FROM OTHER VIRUSES TO FILL GAPS
IN THE VIRUS SEQUENCE THEY NEED WHOLE TO PRODUCE A VACCINE FAST
BECAUSE THEY ARE LOSING SO MUCH MONEY CULLING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS
OF PIGS AND CHICKENS BECAUSE THEY KEEP GETTING AI AND SWINE VIRUSES

BECAUSE THESE PIGS AND CHICKENS ARE WALKING IN THEIR SHIT AND PISS
ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER IN ENCLOSURES UNSANITARY AND INHUMAN
THESE ANIMALS GET DISEASES BECAUSE OF THEIR CONDITIONS
NOT BECAUSE A FUCKING PATHOGEN JUMPED OFF A FUCKING BAT

HYPOTHESIS...DID YOU KNOW THAT
PHYLOGENETIC TREES ARE NOT, I REPEAT, NOT BASED ON FACT

AFRICAN SWINE FEVER....ANOTHER CURRENT OUTBREAK IN NASTY CHINA
WHICH HAS BEEN SPREADING ACROSS EUROPE

WELL THATS WHAT WHO NAMED IT....
CAUSE GOD FORBID THEY HAVE TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT
FOR WHY THEY ARE RELEVANT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM

WHO MADE CHANGES IN MARCH 2019 TO 2019/20 NORTHERN HEMISPHERE FLU VACCINES
THEY SWITCHED OUT H7 FOR H3

WHY WERE CHINAS DEATH NUMBERS LOW
THEY ALREADY HAD A VACCINE THEY HAD BEEN USING
WHY WERE THEIR CASES SO HIGH
BECAUSE OF HOW THEY DETERMINED POSITIVE CASES

WHY WERENT CHILDREN IN CHINA AFFECTED
THEY VACCINATED THEM

WHY ARE CHILDREN HERE BEING AFFLICTED WITH SHIT NOW
DID YOU KNOW THEY STARTING USING LIVE VIRUSES
IN CHILDHOOD VACCINES RECENTLY FOR A STUDY...ME NEITHER

TRUMP DIDNT ACT SOONER
GUESS WHAT...WE CANT ACT NOW
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH

AND THAT WILL TAKE LONGER THAN IT SHOULD
BECAUSE THESE MOTHER FUCKERS ARENT GOING TO ADMIT
THEIR VACCINES ARE CAUSING ALL THESE FUCKING PROBLEMS

I'll leave links to shit I stated...i'm taking my dog out

I can't believe you waste your time writing a collection of unrelated facts, half truths, and lies that are off topic, and no one is going to waste their time reading.

 

[KGB]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

you realize those masks are supposed to be one time use. They’re not supposed to be used over & over again. They’re being done so because of because of necessity.

CDC recommends it be change every 8 hours, but that's in a hospital setting. When I calculated the number masks, I figured on a mask a day. That's why the numbers are so high. If the general public used them, most people would people would get more than a day's use because most people away from work, do not spend 8 hours a day in a public setting. There are some masks with changeable filters but I didn't look at those.

So, according to your idea, we would require approximately 330 million masks per day. Over the course of a week, that comes out to 2.3 billion masks per week. A couple of problems I see with that....

1) There is no way to functionally produce that many masks currently. Not to mention, to get them into the hands of people on a timely basis. Our supply systems are built on "just in time" principles, so that means we don't stockpile.

2) The cost of $1 per mask....not seeing how you get there. During normal times, perhaps, but this isn't normal times & there is no economical way to make a company do it. Given the issue of problem 1, the company has costs too to produce that many. Look at toilet paper & the run on there. Companies are cranking 24/7 & only now is the situation abating.

3) You said the public would be required to wear it in public places. Good luck with that. Places can impose restrictions since they are either privately owned (store, restaurant, etc.) or might be government buildings. Are you suggesting people walking out & about have to be masked up? What is the legal basis for that? People are already pissed off enough, good luck moving the field goal posts again...

 

[JustAGuy1]

N95 masks provide near complete protection for the wearer and others. Suppose there were enough for everyone in the country, imagine how few cases there would be. Business and schools could open almost immediately with little danger to employees and customers or students and teachers. So why aren’t we doing it?

As it turns out, the cost of manufacturing an N95 mask is only about 58 cents. The CDC recommends masks are changed every 8 hours of use. It might be a lot less for non-healthcare employees. Assuming a mask could be made available for $1 each and all employers and schools were required to provide masks for employees and students, the cost would be about $15 a month for each full time employee or student. The general public would be required to wear N95 masks in public places with the federal government subsidizing the cost for low income families.

Although the cost is high, about 4 or 5 billion a month it’s a lot less than what the epidemic is costing the country, not to mention the loss of lives and the disruption to the lives of hundreds of millions of people. We could open up schools and business as soon as the masks were available and we probably could do away with most restrictions. If the program was successful, there’s a good chance the virus could be almost eliminated within a few months. Sporting events and concerts and other mass gathering could continue. So why isn't it even being considered?

Because I'm not buying the HYPE of this thing