Why can't conservatives/GOP learn from history?

[Wry Catcher]

Despite the collapse of the Soviet Union, the failures of Castro's Cuba, and China's slow but inexorable movement away from a centrally planned economy toward a market economy, liberals have not learned from history and still believe socialism/marxism works.

Those were all totalitarian dictatorships. Not mixed economies. Socialized capitalism works very well.

There aren't the extremes of wealth and poverty. There are no ghettos of poverty, crime and hopelessness. Vast swathes of their populations are not languishing in prisons. And yet all of their populations have some form of government assistance.

Their populations are among the most affluent, safe and secure countries in the world. Budgets are balanced, as are their economies. They are safe, stable, clean and well run. None of which is true of the U.S. And hasn't been for some time.

They consider investing in education, a wise thing to do, and children in poor neighbours get the same quality of education as children in rich neighbourhoods.

Spot on!

 

[Dad2three]

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

You mean the best conservative Prez since Ike, BJ Bill agreed with Heritages Foundations NAFTA that Ronnie Reagan announced he was for the day he ran for Prez? Yep

You did not address the fact that much of that job loss occurred under Clinton.

That was dishonest of you.

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

Nope.

For your initial post you were obviously referring to manufacturing jobs, which are the best jobs for upward mobility from working poor to middle class, or even higher.

THe fact that Clinton was lucky enough to come into office at the beginning of an economic upswing does not change the fact that the outsourcing of manufacturing continued unabated though out his administration.

You know, I have readily admitted to Republican blame when it comes to this issue. Your dishonest defense of Clinton makes it seem that your interest here is not the topic, but nothing but a partisan smear.

And what is with the moronic "bubba" repetition?

Got it. Clinton had 22+ million new jobs, increasing wealth at almost all areas, but my defending Clinton on NAFTA, which 60% of Dems in Congress voted against, and me calling Clinton the best conservative Prez since Ike, make me" dishonest defense of Clinton" the issue. No fukkn critical thinking or honesty required to be a conservative today

BTW, Yeah it was luck, not his GOOD GOV'T POLICY (like vetoing the GOP's $700+ billion tax cut after HIS first balanced budget.

Middle Class Series: The Failure of Supply-Side Economics


Three Decades of Empirical Economic Data Shows That Supply-Side Economics Doesn’t Work




When put to the test in the real world, supply-side policies did not deliver as promised. In fact, by every important measure, our nation’s economic performance after the tax increases of 1993 significantly outpaced that of the periods following the tax cuts of the early 1980s and the early 2000s. Supply-side economics starts from the generally accepted economic insight that tax policy can influence private-sector decisions by changing the incentives to work and invest. But supply-side acolytes take this relatively mundane observation to an extreme conclusion.


When President Bill Clinton, raised taxes that same year ('93) did the economy suffer a slowdown, as was predicted by those who believe in supply-side economics? The data says no.

The Failure of Supply-Side Economics

 

[Dad2three]

Sure Bubs, sure. I guess you got that from your crystal ball? Hint, one can believe the "job creators" need to pay more historical EFFECTIVE tax rates they did 1932-1980, that regulators on the beat matters with Gov't policy and the current GOP/Conservatives are trying to destroy Gov't have some type of Ayn Rand fetish than to actually just throw up crap, like you!

Crystal Ball? Fetish? Very simply, your preoccupation with egregious government state is that you hate Capitalism and want it stifled.

YOUR inability to EVER address ANYTHING on topic or to be honest is noted Bubba, and like most conservatives on this forum, your knee jerk reactionary "socialists" Bullsh*t is also noted!

You are in no position to accuse anyone of being Knee Jerk,

and what's with the bubba nonsense?

Good debating skills there Bubba, you must've really meant it when you said that's what you wanted *shaking head*

And you fail to address anything I said. Loser.

lol

 

[Dad2three]

You mean the best conservative Prez since Ike, BJ Bill agreed with Heritages Foundations NAFTA that Ronnie Reagan announced he was for the day he ran for Prez? Yep

You did not address the fact that much of that job loss occurred under Clinton.

That was dishonest of you.

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

.


arent you the idiot that says the fact that Clinton hiked taxes means "trickle-down" wasnt in effect on h is watch?

now you're saying he was a conservative?

contradicting yourself again

idiot

weird how tiny your brain is Bubba. Seriously...

Everyone noticed that you had no answer to his claim.

You aren't fooling anyone.

Got it Bubba, you didn't understand the false premise!

Without false premises,m distortions and lies, what would right wingersd EVER have?

PLEASE since you want to be the "grownup" in the debate, PRETTY PLEASE give me just ONE policy conservatives have EVER gotten on the correct side of US history on ANY policy? Just one example PLEASE?


Thanks Bubba

 

[Wry Catcher]

Is D23 Rdean on acid?

Idiot-gram ^^^

Poor Crusader - who never served - Frank, too dumb to write a rebuttal, he resorts to the genre of the fools. In fact, he who never served, is the archetype for the idiot-gram; a single sentence lacking substance and thought.

Wry, I'm sorry you're ill.I know you're trying to get my attention, you don't have to be a dick about it

I get my dogs my attention by tossing her a Frisbee, of course she can catch it in her mouth, you, always having your head up your ass, can't be so easily contacted.

Of course my dog is a Border Collie, and thus smarter than the average conservative; idiot-grams are not part of her repertoire.

You keep talking about the fact that you served, you're sounding like a grumpy old man left alone on his porch.

I'm not grumpy at all, and I'm not a dwarf. In fact I can still bench press my weight - five times. Not as many reps as when I wore a younger man's clothes, but pretty damn good for my age. FYI, I'm 6' 2" & 230.

And I'm dead serious, my Border Collie is smarter than most conservatives - she learns from her mistakes.

 

[Dad2three]

obama lost 5-8% of his Black support in his re-election; along with a reduced support from other key groups that he had the first time

libs are losers who lie to themselves

More projection from the low info right wing. Shocking

 

[kaz]

Despite the collapse of the Soviet Union, the failures of Castro's Cuba, and China's slow but inexorable movement away from a centrally planned economy toward a market economy, liberals have not learned from history and still believe socialism/marxism works.

Yeah, you name one liberal that supports a state run totalitarian economy and any aspects of marxism. Social democracies aren't marxist by the way.

all of you

 

[Correll]

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

You mean the best conservative Prez since Ike, BJ Bill agreed with Heritages Foundations NAFTA that Ronnie Reagan announced he was for the day he ran for Prez? Yep

You did not address the fact that much of that job loss occurred under Clinton.

That was dishonest of you.

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

Nope.

For your initial post you were obviously referring to manufacturing jobs, which are the best jobs for upward mobility from working poor to middle class, or even higher.

THe fact that Clinton was lucky enough to come into office at the beginning of an economic upswing does not change the fact that the outsourcing of manufacturing continued unabated though out his administration.

You know, I have readily admitted to Republican blame when it comes to this issue. Your dishonest defense of Clinton makes it seem that your interest here is not the topic, but nothing but a partisan smear.

And what is with the moronic "bubba" repetition?

Got it. Clinton had 22+ million new jobs, increasing wealth at almost all areas, but my defending Clinton on NAFTA, which 60% of Dems in Congress voted against, and me calling Clinton the best conservative Prez since Ike, make me" dishonest defense of Clinton" the issue. No fukkn critical thinking or honesty required to be a conservative today

BTW, Yeah it was luck, not his GOOD GOV'T POLICY (like vetoing the GOP's $700+ billion tax cut after HIS first balanced budget.

...cs

Yes. Clinton was lucky enough to take office in the beginning of an economic upturn.

That does not change the fact the long standing Free Trade Policies and Globalization were still taking effect moving manufacturing jobs out of the country despite the overall job growth.

YOur reference to Clinton as the "best conservative Prez" is irrelevant spin.

Yes, the dems in congress did try to mostly vote against NAFTA, but the democratic President signed it, not vetoed it.

 

[Dad2three]

You mean the best conservative Prez since Ike, BJ Bill agreed with Heritages Foundations NAFTA that Ronnie Reagan announced he was for the day he ran for Prez? Yep

You did not address the fact that much of that job loss occurred under Clinton.

That was dishonest of you.

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

Nope.

For your initial post you were obviously referring to manufacturing jobs, which are the best jobs for upward mobility from working poor to middle class, or even higher.

THe fact that Clinton was lucky enough to come into office at the beginning of an economic upswing does not change the fact that the outsourcing of manufacturing continued unabated though out his administration.

You know, I have readily admitted to Republican blame when it comes to this issue. Your dishonest defense of Clinton makes it seem that your interest here is not the topic, but nothing but a partisan smear.

And what is with the moronic "bubba" repetition?

Got it. Clinton had 22+ million new jobs, increasing wealth at almost all areas, but my defending Clinton on NAFTA, which 60% of Dems in Congress voted against, and me calling Clinton the best conservative Prez since Ike, make me" dishonest defense of Clinton" the issue. No fukkn critical thinking or honesty required to be a conservative today

BTW, Yeah it was luck, not his GOOD GOV'T POLICY (like vetoing the GOP's $700+ billion tax cut after HIS first balanced budget.

...cs

Yes. Clinton was lucky enough to take office in the beginning of an economic upturn.

That does not change the fact the long standing Free Trade Policies and Globalization were still taking effect moving manufacturing jobs out of the country despite the overall job growth.

YOur reference to Clinton as the "best conservative Prez" is irrelevant spin.

Yes, the dems in congress did try to mostly vote against NAFTA, but the democratic President signed it, not vetoed it.

So you CAN'T give me even ONE policy conservatives have been on the correct side of history in the US? *shoulder shrug"

 

[Dad2three]

You mean the best conservative Prez since Ike, BJ Bill agreed with Heritages Foundations NAFTA that Ronnie Reagan announced he was for the day he ran for Prez? Yep

You did not address the fact that much of that job loss occurred under Clinton.

That was dishonest of you.

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

Nope.

For your initial post you were obviously referring to manufacturing jobs, which are the best jobs for upward mobility from working poor to middle class, or even higher.

THe fact that Clinton was lucky enough to come into office at the beginning of an economic upswing does not change the fact that the outsourcing of manufacturing continued unabated though out his administration.

You know, I have readily admitted to Republican blame when it comes to this issue. Your dishonest defense of Clinton makes it seem that your interest here is not the topic, but nothing but a partisan smear.

And what is with the moronic "bubba" repetition?

Got it. Clinton had 22+ million new jobs, increasing wealth at almost all areas, but my defending Clinton on NAFTA, which 60% of Dems in Congress voted against, and me calling Clinton the best conservative Prez since Ike, make me" dishonest defense of Clinton" the issue. No fukkn critical thinking or honesty required to be a conservative today

BTW, Yeah it was luck, not his GOOD GOV'T POLICY (like vetoing the GOP's $700+ billion tax cut after HIS first balanced budget.

...cs

Yes. Clinton was lucky enough to take office in the beginning of an economic upturn.

That does not change the fact the long standing Free Trade Policies and Globalization were still taking effect moving manufacturing jobs out of the country despite the overall job growth.

YOur reference to Clinton as the "best conservative Prez" is irrelevant spin.

Yes, the dems in congress did try to mostly vote against NAFTA, but the democratic President signed it, not vetoed it.

Reviving American Manufacturing

 

[bedowin62]

the Clinton years: supply-side economics

libs are losers who lie to themselves

 

[Correll]

You did not address the fact that much of that job loss occurred under Clinton.

That was dishonest of you.

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

.


arent you the idiot that says the fact that Clinton hiked taxes means "trickle-down" wasnt in effect on h is watch?

now you're saying he was a conservative?

contradicting yourself again

idiot

weird how tiny your brain is Bubba. Seriously...

Everyone noticed that you had no answer to his claim.

You aren't fooling anyone.

Got it Bubba, you didn't understand the false premise!

Without false premises,m distortions and lies, what would right wingersd EVER have?

PLEASE since you want to be the "grownup" in the debate, PRETTY PLEASE give me just ONE policy conservatives have EVER gotten on the correct side of US history on ANY policy? Just one example PLEASE?


Thanks Bubba

There is no "false premise". The process of job outsourcing, especially manufacturing, continued unabated during the Clinton years, despite the overall economic upturn.

YOur inability to be honest about this reveals you to be nothing but a partisan hack.

NOt that your general demeanor left any doubt about that.

 

[bedowin62]

The "Roaring" Obamaconomy: supply-side economics

libs are losers who lie to themselves

 

[danielpalos]

the Clinton years: supply-side economics

libs are losers who lie to themselves

the lowest unemployment rate in relatively modern times was supplying labor with employment.

 

[Correll]

You did not address the fact that much of that job loss occurred under Clinton.

That was dishonest of you.

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

Nope.

For your initial post you were obviously referring to manufacturing jobs, which are the best jobs for upward mobility from working poor to middle class, or even higher.

THe fact that Clinton was lucky enough to come into office at the beginning of an economic upswing does not change the fact that the outsourcing of manufacturing continued unabated though out his administration.

You know, I have readily admitted to Republican blame when it comes to this issue. Your dishonest defense of Clinton makes it seem that your interest here is not the topic, but nothing but a partisan smear.

And what is with the moronic "bubba" repetition?

Got it. Clinton had 22+ million new jobs, increasing wealth at almost all areas, but my defending Clinton on NAFTA, which 60% of Dems in Congress voted against, and me calling Clinton the best conservative Prez since Ike, make me" dishonest defense of Clinton" the issue. No fukkn critical thinking or honesty required to be a conservative today

BTW, Yeah it was luck, not his GOOD GOV'T POLICY (like vetoing the GOP's $700+ billion tax cut after HIS first balanced budget.

...cs

Yes. Clinton was lucky enough to take office in the beginning of an economic upturn.

That does not change the fact the long standing Free Trade Policies and Globalization were still taking effect moving manufacturing jobs out of the country despite the overall job growth.

YOur reference to Clinton as the "best conservative Prez" is irrelevant spin.

Yes, the dems in congress did try to mostly vote against NAFTA, but the democratic President signed it, not vetoed it.

Reviving American Manufacturing

Wow. THat'sa great graph.

I love the way it makes no distinction between one term presidents and two term presidents.


Who is Bill Foster and why should I trust his numbers?

 

[bedowin62]

You did not address the fact that much of that job loss occurred under Clinton.

That was dishonest of you.

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

Nope.

For your initial post you were obviously referring to manufacturing jobs, which are the best jobs for upward mobility from working poor to middle class, or even higher.

THe fact that Clinton was lucky enough to come into office at the beginning of an economic upswing does not change the fact that the outsourcing of manufacturing continued unabated though out his administration.

You know, I have readily admitted to Republican blame when it comes to this issue. Your dishonest defense of Clinton makes it seem that your interest here is not the topic, but nothing but a partisan smear.

And what is with the moronic "bubba" repetition?

Got it. Clinton had 22+ million new jobs, increasing wealth at almost all areas, but my defending Clinton on NAFTA, which 60% of Dems in Congress voted against, and me calling Clinton the best conservative Prez since Ike, make me" dishonest defense of Clinton" the issue. No fukkn critical thinking or honesty required to be a conservative today

BTW, Yeah it was luck, not his GOOD GOV'T POLICY (like vetoing the GOP's $700+ billion tax cut after HIS first balanced budget.

...cs

Yes. Clinton was lucky enough to take office in the beginning of an economic upturn.

That does not change the fact the long standing Free Trade Policies and Globalization were still taking effect moving manufacturing jobs out of the country despite the overall job growth.

YOur reference to Clinton as the "best conservative Prez" is irrelevant spin.

Yes, the dems in congress did try to mostly vote against NAFTA, but the democratic President signed it, not vetoed it.

Reviving American Manufacturing

RE: YOUR GRAPH DULLARD LIB:

"change in" only reflects just that, a change. Since most of the Bush years were WAY BETTER THAN THE OBAMA YEARS, until the economy tanked at the end; a chart WOULD show a "change in"

FACT: obama will never have Bush's low 5.2% average unemployment

 

[bedowin62]

the Clinton years: supply-side economics

libs are losers who lie to themselves

the lowest unemployment rate in relatively modern times was supplying labor with employment.

(this ought to be good)

how was "labor" supplied with employment exactly

 

[Correll]

You did not address the fact that much of that job loss occurred under Clinton.

That was dishonest of you.

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

Nope.

For your initial post you were obviously referring to manufacturing jobs, which are the best jobs for upward mobility from working poor to middle class, or even higher.

THe fact that Clinton was lucky enough to come into office at the beginning of an economic upswing does not change the fact that the outsourcing of manufacturing continued unabated though out his administration.

You know, I have readily admitted to Republican blame when it comes to this issue. Your dishonest defense of Clinton makes it seem that your interest here is not the topic, but nothing but a partisan smear.

And what is with the moronic "bubba" repetition?

Got it. Clinton had 22+ million new jobs, increasing wealth at almost all areas, but my defending Clinton on NAFTA, which 60% of Dems in Congress voted against, and me calling Clinton the best conservative Prez since Ike, make me" dishonest defense of Clinton" the issue. No fukkn critical thinking or honesty required to be a conservative today

BTW, Yeah it was luck, not his GOOD GOV'T POLICY (like vetoing the GOP's $700+ billion tax cut after HIS first balanced budget.

...cs

Yes. Clinton was lucky enough to take office in the beginning of an economic upturn.

That does not change the fact the long standing Free Trade Policies and Globalization were still taking effect moving manufacturing jobs out of the country despite the overall job growth.

YOur reference to Clinton as the "best conservative Prez" is irrelevant spin.

Yes, the dems in congress did try to mostly vote against NAFTA, but the democratic President signed it, not vetoed it.

So you CAN'T give me even ONE policy conservatives have been on the correct side of history in the US? *shoulder shrug"
...

So you can't reply to ONE post seriously or honestly.

Got it.

 

[Correll]

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

Nope.

For your initial post you were obviously referring to manufacturing jobs, which are the best jobs for upward mobility from working poor to middle class, or even higher.

THe fact that Clinton was lucky enough to come into office at the beginning of an economic upswing does not change the fact that the outsourcing of manufacturing continued unabated though out his administration.

You know, I have readily admitted to Republican blame when it comes to this issue. Your dishonest defense of Clinton makes it seem that your interest here is not the topic, but nothing but a partisan smear.

And what is with the moronic "bubba" repetition?

Got it. Clinton had 22+ million new jobs, increasing wealth at almost all areas, but my defending Clinton on NAFTA, which 60% of Dems in Congress voted against, and me calling Clinton the best conservative Prez since Ike, make me" dishonest defense of Clinton" the issue. No fukkn critical thinking or honesty required to be a conservative today

BTW, Yeah it was luck, not his GOOD GOV'T POLICY (like vetoing the GOP's $700+ billion tax cut after HIS first balanced budget.

...cs

Yes. Clinton was lucky enough to take office in the beginning of an economic upturn.

That does not change the fact the long standing Free Trade Policies and Globalization were still taking effect moving manufacturing jobs out of the country despite the overall job growth.

YOur reference to Clinton as the "best conservative Prez" is irrelevant spin.

Yes, the dems in congress did try to mostly vote against NAFTA, but the democratic President signed it, not vetoed it.

So you CAN'T give me even ONE policy conservatives have been on the correct side of history in the US? *shoulder shrug"
...

So you can't reply to ONE post seriously or honestly.

Got it.

So you can't reply to ONE post seriously or honestly.

Got it.

 

[bedowin62]

obama lost MILLIONS OF JOBS over and above what was lost under Bush; before things started to get better. and they started to get better when there more Republicans elected to Congress