Why Can't the Left Let Go of Slavery?

[IM2]

So black people should quietly accept being second class citizens because things are not so great in Africa? In what bizarro world does that make sense?

Black people were not and are not the only slaves in America. Any time you want first class service in this life, you'd better be prepared to pay others to be your slaves.

Actually we were.

 

[IM2]

Why can't the right discuss the 160 years after slavery where the same white racism morphed into Jim Crow Aparthied and todays modern version of racism cal;ed Aversive racism?

 

[Asclepias]

Why Can't the Left Let Go of Slavery?​

Why Can't the Left Let Go of Slavery?

pjmedia.com

3 Jul 2021 ~~ By Kevin Downey Jr.

Don’t Want to Be Your Grudge Slave​

The British brought slavery to the New World and Americans ended it roughly 230 years later. Every black person descended from slaves owes a debt to their ancestors’ struggles. The abomination of slavery is the reason most black people are here, in the greatest country in the world. I’m guessing almost every black American lives a better life than their counterparts in the modern-day Ivory Coast, where many slaves came from, and where today almost 50% of the country lives in poverty (African poverty, not American iPhone poverty) and the life expectancy for men and women is under 60 years. The poverty rate in Liberia, settled by liberated slaves, is even worse.
Yet some people just can’t let slavery go. Olympic hammer-tosser/headline-hustler Gwen Berry was “pissed” when the National Anthem was played after she won the bronze medal and made it to the Olympic team, even narcissistically suggesting it was a “setup” against her. Why else would they play the National Anthem at an Olympic American sports event other than to piss off an athlete no one has ever heard of in a sport no one knew was a sport?

Comment:
Factually, Slavery only existed in the United States of America for 89 years, 1776-1865.
The Progressive Marxist/DSA Democrat Commies wants to remember when slavery was the law and people were subject and obliged to obey slavery laws. The left needs and wants slaves.
PM/DSA Commies can’t win by productivity.
PM/DSA Commies have discovered they can only win by disqualifying the productive: abuse cultural norms of fairness and culpability (whatever those are at the time) to eject the objectively productive, that competition be removed up for grabs. Having vanquished those who actually do the work, a “cargo cult” follows - having seized the trappings of success, they expect the fruits of productivity will follow; that failing (to their surprise), they handle subsequent supply-and-demand problems by reducing demands - first by rationing, eventually by slaughter. As seen in all Communist totalitarian regimes....

Because the United States has never acknowledged, apologized and atoned for slavery, black codes, the convict leasing system, Jim Crow, separate but equal (which of course never was) which was essentially codified racial discrimination against black people, redlining, racial deed restrictions, "whites only" water fountains, restrooms, restaurants, hotels, etc., etc. etc. not to mention the stolen wealth in terms of outright theft and theft of labor, loss of interest, denial of access to the justice system, again, etc. etc. etc. Oh and let's not forget the oftentimes just cruel and sadistic treatment of black people by whites that was sanctioned by United States law.

I'm sure I left out a bunch of stuff but that should be enough to give you an idea.

Oh and the most important part I forgot to mention is that because the racial discriminatory acts and hatred are still occurring in 2021 in spite of it being unlawful is probably the biggest reason why much progress isn't being made on that front.

You want people to apologize and atone for something that they are not responsible for?

I said the government.

The government now is not the same either.

What's different?

• A demented sock puppet sits in the Oval Office...asleep at the wheel.
• The monkeys are running the zoo.
• Marxism is infecting the minds of useful idiots.
• Liberals are ruining entire cities and states.
• Lunatics have taken of the Democrat Party.
• Tenured teachers are indoctrinating children to hate each other.

Need more?

What does any of that have to do with why our government can't apologize and make amends for everything from slavery to the last thing in the list I mentioned, some of which are still occurring to date even though our laws have made such actions and behaviors unlawful?

Stalling until everyone who was directly affected is dead may have sounded like a good strategy at the time it was thought of, but continuing to pretend that changing the laws made everything better without any accompanying change in people's behaviors, hearts or minds and that the only problem now is that black people won't stop talking about the way our government allowed a bunch of white supremacists to screw over members of a an entire race is just stupid, especially since the interest is still accruing on the debt they don't want to acknowledge.

The lunatics that are in control of our government at this time are the same lunatics that have used racial hatred for decades to control the blacks and keep them classified as a self-pitying victim class. The lunatic Democrat Party does not gives a tinker's damn about being unlawful. Whatever works for them will go unpunished.

White supremacy has nothing to do with it. Black civil rights leaders stoke the fires of hatred. Their own livelihood depends on maintaining the victim class and obtaining funding from dupes and businesses that fear demonstrations and boycotts of their products for not supporting the deprived black victim class.

That is the same game that the Democrat Party has been playing ever since 1865. Nothing has changed with them except:

• A demented sock puppet sits in the Oval Office...asleep at the wheel.
• The monkeys are running the zoo.
• Marxism is infecting the minds of useful idiots.
• Liberals are ruining entire cities and states.
• Lunatics have taken of the Democrat Party.
• Tenured teachers are indoctrinating children to hate each other.

Need more?

Okay, so if our government has not changed, then why can't they apologize and make amends for all of the grief they caused and allowed to occur?

As far as I am concerned, they can but don't want to for a myriad of reasons although most of their reasons are just excuses.

The people involved are no longer alive to either apologize to or make amends.

Their descendants are alive and profiting off their ill gotten gains. Besides its the government that owes the debt. Not some poor trailer park trash.

Where will the government get the funds? Except for putting money into schools, businesses in black neighborhoods, I don't see many other ways to make amends. Monetary reparations to individuals isn't the answer. You have no way of knowing who would get how much. Even today, not everyone equally succeeds even with the same opportunities.

The same place they get the funds to fight wars and do anything else they want to do. Monetary reparations may not be the total answer but its a great start and frankly the only one that really matters. I could give a shit if white people like me or not. Money will ensure that my ancestors efforts did not disappear in smoke.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

He specifically wanted affirmative action for Black people before there was such a word.

How, precisely, does "everyone should be judged on the content of their character and Not by the color of their skin..... " translate into "some people deserve special consideration"?

Without debating the potential justice or the unintended consequences of affirmative action, how do "white privilege" and "affirmative action" differ except that the first only exists as a societal construct and the second is codified into law?

Is affirmative action meant to be a perpetual program? What are the metrics of its success? Do the most successful people of color in our society owe their success to affirmative action, or to their own achievements?

the term affirmative action originally appeared as a directive to federal contractors to "take affirmative action" to ensure hiring, promotion, and other treatment in one's employment occurred without regard to race, color, ethnicity, etc., it wasn't a program.

But of course when people can't do the right (and now lawful) thing of their own accord then the government has to step in with a set of instructions of how to "take affirmative action".

And truth be told, all of the animus that white racists have towards black people really should be directed toward other white racists because they they had so much hatred of blacks that they allowed that hatred to come before doing what was best for other white people and the civil rights legislation was the result.

They couldn't be relied upon to do what was necessary so the government came in and did it for them whether they liked it or not and we know they didn't like because they're still whining about.

 

[justinacolmena]

Actually we were

Actually I am probably about 1/64 black myself. In fact my distant ancestor escaped unfavorable conditions of employment that might be termed by some to be slavery.

I don't have any special claim to "reparations" on that basis, but on the basis of how I am presently treated as a "consumer" or a person who has been "adjudicated as a mental defective" or "committed to a mental institution" on the involuntary servitude of a so-called civil commitment process.

In other words, slavery never ended, and it exists to this day in America as long as the Democrat slave-owners party pushes gun control and mandatory universal background check laws.

 

[Asclepias]

So black people should quietly accept being second class citizens because things are not so great in Africa? In what bizarro world does that make sense?

Black people were not and are not the only slaves in America. Any time you want first class service in this life, you'd better be prepared to pay others to be your slaves.

Actually we were.

Now hes going to claim that the Irish indentured servants were slaves.

 

[justinacolmena]

But of course when people can't do the right (and now lawful) thing of their own accord then the government has to step in with a set of instructions of how to "take affirmative action".

Stop fucking black people in the butt in court and saddling them with felony convictions for petty crimes, and wildly exaggerated mental health claims. Then you won't need "affirmative action."

You cannot rape people in the butt, stitch up their mouth with a covid mask, and mark off the reparations bill paid.

 

[justinacolmena]

Now hes going to claim that the Irish indentured servants were slaves.

And a fucking dentist to pull their teeth to boot.

 

[MizMolly]

Why Can't the Left Let Go of Slavery?​

Why Can't the Left Let Go of Slavery?

pjmedia.com

3 Jul 2021 ~~ By Kevin Downey Jr.

Don’t Want to Be Your Grudge Slave​

The British brought slavery to the New World and Americans ended it roughly 230 years later. Every black person descended from slaves owes a debt to their ancestors’ struggles. The abomination of slavery is the reason most black people are here, in the greatest country in the world. I’m guessing almost every black American lives a better life than their counterparts in the modern-day Ivory Coast, where many slaves came from, and where today almost 50% of the country lives in poverty (African poverty, not American iPhone poverty) and the life expectancy for men and women is under 60 years. The poverty rate in Liberia, settled by liberated slaves, is even worse.
Yet some people just can’t let slavery go. Olympic hammer-tosser/headline-hustler Gwen Berry was “pissed” when the National Anthem was played after she won the bronze medal and made it to the Olympic team, even narcissistically suggesting it was a “setup” against her. Why else would they play the National Anthem at an Olympic American sports event other than to piss off an athlete no one has ever heard of in a sport no one knew was a sport?

Comment:
Factually, Slavery only existed in the United States of America for 89 years, 1776-1865.
The Progressive Marxist/DSA Democrat Commies wants to remember when slavery was the law and people were subject and obliged to obey slavery laws. The left needs and wants slaves.
PM/DSA Commies can’t win by productivity.
PM/DSA Commies have discovered they can only win by disqualifying the productive: abuse cultural norms of fairness and culpability (whatever those are at the time) to eject the objectively productive, that competition be removed up for grabs. Having vanquished those who actually do the work, a “cargo cult” follows - having seized the trappings of success, they expect the fruits of productivity will follow; that failing (to their surprise), they handle subsequent supply-and-demand problems by reducing demands - first by rationing, eventually by slaughter. As seen in all Communist totalitarian regimes....

Because the United States has never acknowledged, apologized and atoned for slavery, black codes, the convict leasing system, Jim Crow, separate but equal (which of course never was) which was essentially codified racial discrimination against black people, redlining, racial deed restrictions, "whites only" water fountains, restrooms, restaurants, hotels, etc., etc. etc. not to mention the stolen wealth in terms of outright theft and theft of labor, loss of interest, denial of access to the justice system, again, etc. etc. etc. Oh and let's not forget the oftentimes just cruel and sadistic treatment of black people by whites that was sanctioned by United States law.

I'm sure I left out a bunch of stuff but that should be enough to give you an idea.

Oh and the most important part I forgot to mention is that because the racial discriminatory acts and hatred are still occurring in 2021 in spite of it being unlawful is probably the biggest reason why much progress isn't being made on that front.

You want people to apologize and atone for something that they are not responsible for?

I said the government.

The government now is not the same either.

What's different?

• A demented sock puppet sits in the Oval Office...asleep at the wheel.
• The monkeys are running the zoo.
• Marxism is infecting the minds of useful idiots.
• Liberals are ruining entire cities and states.
• Lunatics have taken of the Democrat Party.
• Tenured teachers are indoctrinating children to hate each other.

Need more?

What does any of that have to do with why our government can't apologize and make amends for everything from slavery to the last thing in the list I mentioned, some of which are still occurring to date even though our laws have made such actions and behaviors unlawful?

Stalling until everyone who was directly affected is dead may have sounded like a good strategy at the time it was thought of, but continuing to pretend that changing the laws made everything better without any accompanying change in people's behaviors, hearts or minds and that the only problem now is that black people won't stop talking about the way our government allowed a bunch of white supremacists to screw over members of a an entire race is just stupid, especially since the interest is still accruing on the debt they don't want to acknowledge.

The lunatics that are in control of our government at this time are the same lunatics that have used racial hatred for decades to control the blacks and keep them classified as a self-pitying victim class. The lunatic Democrat Party does not gives a tinker's damn about being unlawful. Whatever works for them will go unpunished.

White supremacy has nothing to do with it. Black civil rights leaders stoke the fires of hatred. Their own livelihood depends on maintaining the victim class and obtaining funding from dupes and businesses that fear demonstrations and boycotts of their products for not supporting the deprived black victim class.

That is the same game that the Democrat Party has been playing ever since 1865. Nothing has changed with them except:

• A demented sock puppet sits in the Oval Office...asleep at the wheel.
• The monkeys are running the zoo.
• Marxism is infecting the minds of useful idiots.
• Liberals are ruining entire cities and states.
• Lunatics have taken of the Democrat Party.
• Tenured teachers are indoctrinating children to hate each other.

Need more?

Okay, so if our government has not changed, then why can't they apologize and make amends for all of the grief they caused and allowed to occur?

As far as I am concerned, they can but don't want to for a myriad of reasons although most of their reasons are just excuses.

The people involved are no longer alive to either apologize to or make amends.

Their descendants are alive and profiting off their ill gotten gains. Besides its the government that owes the debt. Not some poor trailer park trash.

Where will the government get the funds? Except for putting money into schools, businesses in black neighborhoods, I don't see many other ways to make amends. Monetary reparations to individuals isn't the answer. You have no way of knowing who would get how much. Even today, not everyone equally succeeds even with the same opportunities.

The same place they get the funds to fight wars and do anything else they want to do. Monetary reparations may not be the total answer but its a great start and frankly the only one that really matters. I could give a shit if white people like me or not. Money will ensure that my ancestors efforts did not disappear in smoke.

A lot of people were denied equal rights in the past, it doesn't mean their descendants should get free money that their ancestors may or may not have had, if given more opportunities. How would such a thing even be determined?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Why Can't the Left Let Go of Slavery?​

Why Can't the Left Let Go of Slavery?

pjmedia.com

3 Jul 2021 ~~ By Kevin Downey Jr.

Don’t Want to Be Your Grudge Slave​

The British brought slavery to the New World and Americans ended it roughly 230 years later. Every black person descended from slaves owes a debt to their ancestors’ struggles. The abomination of slavery is the reason most black people are here, in the greatest country in the world. I’m guessing almost every black American lives a better life than their counterparts in the modern-day Ivory Coast, where many slaves came from, and where today almost 50% of the country lives in poverty (African poverty, not American iPhone poverty) and the life expectancy for men and women is under 60 years. The poverty rate in Liberia, settled by liberated slaves, is even worse.
Yet some people just can’t let slavery go. Olympic hammer-tosser/headline-hustler Gwen Berry was “pissed” when the National Anthem was played after she won the bronze medal and made it to the Olympic team, even narcissistically suggesting it was a “setup” against her. Why else would they play the National Anthem at an Olympic American sports event other than to piss off an athlete no one has ever heard of in a sport no one knew was a sport?

Comment:
Factually, Slavery only existed in the United States of America for 89 years, 1776-1865.
The Progressive Marxist/DSA Democrat Commies wants to remember when slavery was the law and people were subject and obliged to obey slavery laws. The left needs and wants slaves.
PM/DSA Commies can’t win by productivity.
PM/DSA Commies have discovered they can only win by disqualifying the productive: abuse cultural norms of fairness and culpability (whatever those are at the time) to eject the objectively productive, that competition be removed up for grabs. Having vanquished those who actually do the work, a “cargo cult” follows - having seized the trappings of success, they expect the fruits of productivity will follow; that failing (to their surprise), they handle subsequent supply-and-demand problems by reducing demands - first by rationing, eventually by slaughter. As seen in all Communist totalitarian regimes....

Because the United States has never acknowledged, apologized and atoned for slavery, black codes, the convict leasing system, Jim Crow, separate but equal (which of course never was) which was essentially codified racial discrimination against black people, redlining, racial deed restrictions, "whites only" water fountains, restrooms, restaurants, hotels, etc., etc. etc. not to mention the stolen wealth in terms of outright theft and theft of labor, loss of interest, denial of access to the justice system, again, etc. etc. etc. Oh and let's not forget the oftentimes just cruel and sadistic treatment of black people by whites that was sanctioned by United States law.

I'm sure I left out a bunch of stuff but that should be enough to give you an idea.

Oh and the most important part I forgot to mention is that because the racial discriminatory acts and hatred are still occurring in 2021 in spite of it being unlawful is probably the biggest reason why much progress isn't being made on that front.

You want people to apologize and atone for something that they are not responsible for?

I said the government.

The government now is not the same either.

What's different?

• A demented sock puppet sits in the Oval Office...asleep at the wheel.
• The monkeys are running the zoo.
• Marxism is infecting the minds of useful idiots.
• Liberals are ruining entire cities and states.
• Lunatics have taken of the Democrat Party.
• Tenured teachers are indoctrinating children to hate each other.

Need more?

What does any of that have to do with why our government can't apologize and make amends for everything from slavery to the last thing in the list I mentioned, some of which are still occurring to date even though our laws have made such actions and behaviors unlawful?

Stalling until everyone who was directly affected is dead may have sounded like a good strategy at the time it was thought of, but continuing to pretend that changing the laws made everything better without any accompanying change in people's behaviors, hearts or minds and that the only problem now is that black people won't stop talking about the way our government allowed a bunch of white supremacists to screw over members of a an entire race is just stupid, especially since the interest is still accruing on the debt they don't want to acknowledge.

Because you know an apology won't be all anyone wants, it's always something more.

Why do you all have such a hard time quoting me correctly? What I stated was:

Because the United States has never acknowledged, apologized AND atoned for slavery, black codes, the convict leasing system, Jim Crow, separate but equal (which of course never was) which was essentially codified racial discrimination against black people, redlining, racial deed restrictions, "whites only" water fountains, restrooms, restaurants, hotels, etc., etc. etc. not to mention the stolen wealth in terms of outright theft and theft of labor, loss of interest, denial of access to the justice system, again, etc. etc. etc. Oh and let's not forget the oftentimes just cruel and sadistic treatment of black people by whites that was sanctioned by United States law.​

 

[justinacolmena]

A lot of people were denied equal rights in the past, it doesn't mean their descendants should get free money that their ancestors may or may not have had, if given more opportunities. How would such a thing even be determined?

Why should we still be denied equal rights to this day, because our distant ancestors were not "well born" privileged country estate whites without a drop of racial impurity in our blood?

 

[MizMolly]

A lot of people were denied equal rights in the past, it doesn't mean their descendants should get free money that their ancestors may or may not have had, if given more opportunities. How would such a thing even be determined?

Why should we still be denied equal rights to this day, because our distant ancestors were not "well born" privileged country estate whites without a drop of racial impurity in our blood?

My relatives weren't well born either. Everyone today has equal rights. You will find some racists and bigots who deny people based on race, sex, age, etc. I wouldn't want a damn thing from them anyway.

 

[Asclepias]

Why Can't the Left Let Go of Slavery?​

Why Can't the Left Let Go of Slavery?

pjmedia.com

3 Jul 2021 ~~ By Kevin Downey Jr.

Don’t Want to Be Your Grudge Slave​

The British brought slavery to the New World and Americans ended it roughly 230 years later. Every black person descended from slaves owes a debt to their ancestors’ struggles. The abomination of slavery is the reason most black people are here, in the greatest country in the world. I’m guessing almost every black American lives a better life than their counterparts in the modern-day Ivory Coast, where many slaves came from, and where today almost 50% of the country lives in poverty (African poverty, not American iPhone poverty) and the life expectancy for men and women is under 60 years. The poverty rate in Liberia, settled by liberated slaves, is even worse.
Yet some people just can’t let slavery go. Olympic hammer-tosser/headline-hustler Gwen Berry was “pissed” when the National Anthem was played after she won the bronze medal and made it to the Olympic team, even narcissistically suggesting it was a “setup” against her. Why else would they play the National Anthem at an Olympic American sports event other than to piss off an athlete no one has ever heard of in a sport no one knew was a sport?

Comment:
Factually, Slavery only existed in the United States of America for 89 years, 1776-1865.
The Progressive Marxist/DSA Democrat Commies wants to remember when slavery was the law and people were subject and obliged to obey slavery laws. The left needs and wants slaves.
PM/DSA Commies can’t win by productivity.
PM/DSA Commies have discovered they can only win by disqualifying the productive: abuse cultural norms of fairness and culpability (whatever those are at the time) to eject the objectively productive, that competition be removed up for grabs. Having vanquished those who actually do the work, a “cargo cult” follows - having seized the trappings of success, they expect the fruits of productivity will follow; that failing (to their surprise), they handle subsequent supply-and-demand problems by reducing demands - first by rationing, eventually by slaughter. As seen in all Communist totalitarian regimes....

Because the United States has never acknowledged, apologized and atoned for slavery, black codes, the convict leasing system, Jim Crow, separate but equal (which of course never was) which was essentially codified racial discrimination against black people, redlining, racial deed restrictions, "whites only" water fountains, restrooms, restaurants, hotels, etc., etc. etc. not to mention the stolen wealth in terms of outright theft and theft of labor, loss of interest, denial of access to the justice system, again, etc. etc. etc. Oh and let's not forget the oftentimes just cruel and sadistic treatment of black people by whites that was sanctioned by United States law.

I'm sure I left out a bunch of stuff but that should be enough to give you an idea.

Oh and the most important part I forgot to mention is that because the racial discriminatory acts and hatred are still occurring in 2021 in spite of it being unlawful is probably the biggest reason why much progress isn't being made on that front.

You want people to apologize and atone for something that they are not responsible for?

I said the government.

The government now is not the same either.

What's different?

• A demented sock puppet sits in the Oval Office...asleep at the wheel.
• The monkeys are running the zoo.
• Marxism is infecting the minds of useful idiots.
• Liberals are ruining entire cities and states.
• Lunatics have taken of the Democrat Party.
• Tenured teachers are indoctrinating children to hate each other.

Need more?

What does any of that have to do with why our government can't apologize and make amends for everything from slavery to the last thing in the list I mentioned, some of which are still occurring to date even though our laws have made such actions and behaviors unlawful?

Stalling until everyone who was directly affected is dead may have sounded like a good strategy at the time it was thought of, but continuing to pretend that changing the laws made everything better without any accompanying change in people's behaviors, hearts or minds and that the only problem now is that black people won't stop talking about the way our government allowed a bunch of white supremacists to screw over members of a an entire race is just stupid, especially since the interest is still accruing on the debt they don't want to acknowledge.

The lunatics that are in control of our government at this time are the same lunatics that have used racial hatred for decades to control the blacks and keep them classified as a self-pitying victim class. The lunatic Democrat Party does not gives a tinker's damn about being unlawful. Whatever works for them will go unpunished.

White supremacy has nothing to do with it. Black civil rights leaders stoke the fires of hatred. Their own livelihood depends on maintaining the victim class and obtaining funding from dupes and businesses that fear demonstrations and boycotts of their products for not supporting the deprived black victim class.

That is the same game that the Democrat Party has been playing ever since 1865. Nothing has changed with them except:

• A demented sock puppet sits in the Oval Office...asleep at the wheel.
• The monkeys are running the zoo.
• Marxism is infecting the minds of useful idiots.
• Liberals are ruining entire cities and states.
• Lunatics have taken of the Democrat Party.
• Tenured teachers are indoctrinating children to hate each other.

Need more?

Okay, so if our government has not changed, then why can't they apologize and make amends for all of the grief they caused and allowed to occur?

As far as I am concerned, they can but don't want to for a myriad of reasons although most of their reasons are just excuses.

The people involved are no longer alive to either apologize to or make amends.

Their descendants are alive and profiting off their ill gotten gains. Besides its the government that owes the debt. Not some poor trailer park trash.

Where will the government get the funds? Except for putting money into schools, businesses in black neighborhoods, I don't see many other ways to make amends. Monetary reparations to individuals isn't the answer. You have no way of knowing who would get how much. Even today, not everyone equally succeeds even with the same opportunities.

I missed this and its important.

"Even today, not everyone equally succeeds even with the same opportunities."

Thats a good point but irrelevant to the topic. You can't say group 1 shouldn't get $10 because not everyone in in group 2 that already has $10 made a wise investment. Thats failed logic.

What you do is prove to me that no one that got a headstart benefitted from that head start. Since you cant do that for obvious reasons then your point is not really a point at all.

 

[Asclepias]

A lot of people were denied equal rights in the past, it doesn't mean their descendants should get free money that their ancestors may or may not have had, if given more opportunities. How would such a thing even be determined?

Why should we still be denied equal rights to this day, because our distant ancestors were not "well born" privileged country estate whites without a drop of racial impurity in our blood?

My relatives weren't well born either. Everyone today has equal rights. You will find some racists and bigots who deny people based on race, sex, age, etc. I wouldn't want a damn thing from them anyway.

"Everyone today has equal rights."

Some also have generational wealth directly attributable to slavery, Jim Crow, Black Codes, etc.

 

[IM2]

Why Can't the Left Let Go of Slavery?​

Why Can't the Left Let Go of Slavery?

pjmedia.com

3 Jul 2021 ~~ By Kevin Downey Jr.

Don’t Want to Be Your Grudge Slave​

The British brought slavery to the New World and Americans ended it roughly 230 years later. Every black person descended from slaves owes a debt to their ancestors’ struggles. The abomination of slavery is the reason most black people are here, in the greatest country in the world. I’m guessing almost every black American lives a better life than their counterparts in the modern-day Ivory Coast, where many slaves came from, and where today almost 50% of the country lives in poverty (African poverty, not American iPhone poverty) and the life expectancy for men and women is under 60 years. The poverty rate in Liberia, settled by liberated slaves, is even worse.
Yet some people just can’t let slavery go. Olympic hammer-tosser/headline-hustler Gwen Berry was “pissed” when the National Anthem was played after she won the bronze medal and made it to the Olympic team, even narcissistically suggesting it was a “setup” against her. Why else would they play the National Anthem at an Olympic American sports event other than to piss off an athlete no one has ever heard of in a sport no one knew was a sport?

Comment:
Factually, Slavery only existed in the United States of America for 89 years, 1776-1865.
The Progressive Marxist/DSA Democrat Commies wants to remember when slavery was the law and people were subject and obliged to obey slavery laws. The left needs and wants slaves.
PM/DSA Commies can’t win by productivity.
PM/DSA Commies have discovered they can only win by disqualifying the productive: abuse cultural norms of fairness and culpability (whatever those are at the time) to eject the objectively productive, that competition be removed up for grabs. Having vanquished those who actually do the work, a “cargo cult” follows - having seized the trappings of success, they expect the fruits of productivity will follow; that failing (to their surprise), they handle subsequent supply-and-demand problems by reducing demands - first by rationing, eventually by slaughter. As seen in all Communist totalitarian regimes....

Because the United States has never acknowledged, apologized and atoned for slavery, black codes, the convict leasing system, Jim Crow, separate but equal (which of course never was) which was essentially codified racial discrimination against black people, redlining, racial deed restrictions, "whites only" water fountains, restrooms, restaurants, hotels, etc., etc. etc. not to mention the stolen wealth in terms of outright theft and theft of labor, loss of interest, denial of access to the justice system, again, etc. etc. etc. Oh and let's not forget the oftentimes just cruel and sadistic treatment of black people by whites that was sanctioned by United States law.

I'm sure I left out a bunch of stuff but that should be enough to give you an idea.

Oh and the most important part I forgot to mention is that because the racial discriminatory acts and hatred are still occurring in 2021 in spite of it being unlawful is probably the biggest reason why much progress isn't being made on that front.

You want people to apologize and atone for something that they are not responsible for?

I said the government.

The government now is not the same either.

What's different?

• A demented sock puppet sits in the Oval Office...asleep at the wheel.
• The monkeys are running the zoo.
• Marxism is infecting the minds of useful idiots.
• Liberals are ruining entire cities and states.
• Lunatics have taken of the Democrat Party.
• Tenured teachers are indoctrinating children to hate each other.

Need more?

What does any of that have to do with why our government can't apologize and make amends for everything from slavery to the last thing in the list I mentioned, some of which are still occurring to date even though our laws have made such actions and behaviors unlawful?

Stalling until everyone who was directly affected is dead may have sounded like a good strategy at the time it was thought of, but continuing to pretend that changing the laws made everything better without any accompanying change in people's behaviors, hearts or minds and that the only problem now is that black people won't stop talking about the way our government allowed a bunch of white supremacists to screw over members of a an entire race is just stupid, especially since the interest is still accruing on the debt they don't want to acknowledge.

The lunatics that are in control of our government at this time are the same lunatics that have used racial hatred for decades to control the blacks and keep them classified as a self-pitying victim class. The lunatic Democrat Party does not gives a tinker's damn about being unlawful. Whatever works for them will go unpunished.

White supremacy has nothing to do with it. Black civil rights leaders stoke the fires of hatred. Their own livelihood depends on maintaining the victim class and obtaining funding from dupes and businesses that fear demonstrations and boycotts of their products for not supporting the deprived black victim class.

That is the same game that the Democrat Party has been playing ever since 1865. Nothing has changed with them except:

• A demented sock puppet sits in the Oval Office...asleep at the wheel.
• The monkeys are running the zoo.
• Marxism is infecting the minds of useful idiots.
• Liberals are ruining entire cities and states.
• Lunatics have taken of the Democrat Party.
• Tenured teachers are indoctrinating children to hate each other.

Need more?

Okay, so if our government has not changed, then why can't they apologize and make amends for all of the grief they caused and allowed to occur?

As far as I am concerned, they can but don't want to for a myriad of reasons although most of their reasons are just excuses.

The people involved are no longer alive to either apologize to or make amends.

Their descendants are alive and profiting off their ill gotten gains. Besides its the government that owes the debt. Not some poor trailer park trash.

Where will the government get the funds? Except for putting money into schools, businesses in black neighborhoods, I don't see many other ways to make amends. Monetary reparations to individuals isn't the answer. You have no way of knowing who would get how much. Even today, not everyone equally succeeds even with the same opportunities.

The same place they get the funds to fight wars and do anything else they want to do. Monetary reparations may not be the total answer but its a great start and frankly the only one that really matters. I could give a shit if white people like me or not. Money will ensure that my ancestors efforts did not disappear in smoke.

Molly offers the same silly argument over and over.

Molly, this is for you.

Since 2000, U.S. gross domestic product lost that much as a result of discriminatory practices in a range of areas, including in education and access to business loans, according to a new study by Citigroup. Specifically, the study came up with $16 trillion in lost GDP by noting four key racial gaps between African Americans and whites:

$13 trillion lost in potential business revenue because of discriminatory lending to African American entrepreneurs, with an estimated 6.1 million jobs not generated as a result

$2.7 trillion in income lost because of disparities in wages suffered by African Americans

$218 billion lost over the past two decades because of discrimination in providing housing credit

And $90 billion to $113 billion in lifetime income lost from discrimination in accessing higher education

We can state our case for reparations on these numbers that started in the year 2000. If we only take lost income from racism starting in 2000, it equals $56,250 per black person in America. If we take combined losses in business revenue, personal income, and discrimination in housing and education since the beginning of THIS CENTURY, DURING YOUR LIFETIME, RIGHT NOW, it equals $341,880 for EACH BLACK PERSON LIVING IN AMERICA AT THIS VERY SECOND! This is money owed NOW, for things done in OUR LIFETIMES.

Racism has cost the U.S. $16 trillion, Citigroup finds

Quantifying the economic impact of racial inequality shows the steep toll it takes on America's growth.

www.cbsnews.com

https://ir.citi.com/%2FPRxPvgNWu319AU1ajGf%2BsKbjJjBJSaTOSdw2DF4xynPwFB8a2jV1FaA3Idy7vY59bOtN2lxVQM%3D

 

[MizMolly]

Why Can't the Left Let Go of Slavery?​

Why Can't the Left Let Go of Slavery?

pjmedia.com

3 Jul 2021 ~~ By Kevin Downey Jr.

Don’t Want to Be Your Grudge Slave​

The British brought slavery to the New World and Americans ended it roughly 230 years later. Every black person descended from slaves owes a debt to their ancestors’ struggles. The abomination of slavery is the reason most black people are here, in the greatest country in the world. I’m guessing almost every black American lives a better life than their counterparts in the modern-day Ivory Coast, where many slaves came from, and where today almost 50% of the country lives in poverty (African poverty, not American iPhone poverty) and the life expectancy for men and women is under 60 years. The poverty rate in Liberia, settled by liberated slaves, is even worse.
Yet some people just can’t let slavery go. Olympic hammer-tosser/headline-hustler Gwen Berry was “pissed” when the National Anthem was played after she won the bronze medal and made it to the Olympic team, even narcissistically suggesting it was a “setup” against her. Why else would they play the National Anthem at an Olympic American sports event other than to piss off an athlete no one has ever heard of in a sport no one knew was a sport?

Comment:
Factually, Slavery only existed in the United States of America for 89 years, 1776-1865.
The Progressive Marxist/DSA Democrat Commies wants to remember when slavery was the law and people were subject and obliged to obey slavery laws. The left needs and wants slaves.
PM/DSA Commies can’t win by productivity.
PM/DSA Commies have discovered they can only win by disqualifying the productive: abuse cultural norms of fairness and culpability (whatever those are at the time) to eject the objectively productive, that competition be removed up for grabs. Having vanquished those who actually do the work, a “cargo cult” follows - having seized the trappings of success, they expect the fruits of productivity will follow; that failing (to their surprise), they handle subsequent supply-and-demand problems by reducing demands - first by rationing, eventually by slaughter. As seen in all Communist totalitarian regimes....

Because the United States has never acknowledged, apologized and atoned for slavery, black codes, the convict leasing system, Jim Crow, separate but equal (which of course never was) which was essentially codified racial discrimination against black people, redlining, racial deed restrictions, "whites only" water fountains, restrooms, restaurants, hotels, etc., etc. etc. not to mention the stolen wealth in terms of outright theft and theft of labor, loss of interest, denial of access to the justice system, again, etc. etc. etc. Oh and let's not forget the oftentimes just cruel and sadistic treatment of black people by whites that was sanctioned by United States law.

I'm sure I left out a bunch of stuff but that should be enough to give you an idea.

Oh and the most important part I forgot to mention is that because the racial discriminatory acts and hatred are still occurring in 2021 in spite of it being unlawful is probably the biggest reason why much progress isn't being made on that front.

You want people to apologize and atone for something that they are not responsible for?

I said the government.

The government now is not the same either.

What's different?

• A demented sock puppet sits in the Oval Office...asleep at the wheel.
• The monkeys are running the zoo.
• Marxism is infecting the minds of useful idiots.
• Liberals are ruining entire cities and states.
• Lunatics have taken of the Democrat Party.
• Tenured teachers are indoctrinating children to hate each other.

Need more?

What does any of that have to do with why our government can't apologize and make amends for everything from slavery to the last thing in the list I mentioned, some of which are still occurring to date even though our laws have made such actions and behaviors unlawful?

Stalling until everyone who was directly affected is dead may have sounded like a good strategy at the time it was thought of, but continuing to pretend that changing the laws made everything better without any accompanying change in people's behaviors, hearts or minds and that the only problem now is that black people won't stop talking about the way our government allowed a bunch of white supremacists to screw over members of a an entire race is just stupid, especially since the interest is still accruing on the debt they don't want to acknowledge.

The lunatics that are in control of our government at this time are the same lunatics that have used racial hatred for decades to control the blacks and keep them classified as a self-pitying victim class. The lunatic Democrat Party does not gives a tinker's damn about being unlawful. Whatever works for them will go unpunished.

White supremacy has nothing to do with it. Black civil rights leaders stoke the fires of hatred. Their own livelihood depends on maintaining the victim class and obtaining funding from dupes and businesses that fear demonstrations and boycotts of their products for not supporting the deprived black victim class.

That is the same game that the Democrat Party has been playing ever since 1865. Nothing has changed with them except:

• A demented sock puppet sits in the Oval Office...asleep at the wheel.
• The monkeys are running the zoo.
• Marxism is infecting the minds of useful idiots.
• Liberals are ruining entire cities and states.
• Lunatics have taken of the Democrat Party.
• Tenured teachers are indoctrinating children to hate each other.

Need more?

Okay, so if our government has not changed, then why can't they apologize and make amends for all of the grief they caused and allowed to occur?

As far as I am concerned, they can but don't want to for a myriad of reasons although most of their reasons are just excuses.

The people involved are no longer alive to either apologize to or make amends.

Their descendants are alive and profiting off their ill gotten gains. Besides its the government that owes the debt. Not some poor trailer park trash.

Where will the government get the funds? Except for putting money into schools, businesses in black neighborhoods, I don't see many other ways to make amends. Monetary reparations to individuals isn't the answer. You have no way of knowing who would get how much. Even today, not everyone equally succeeds even with the same opportunities.

The same place they get the funds to fight wars and do anything else they want to do. Monetary reparations may not be the total answer but its a great start and frankly the only one that really matters. I could give a shit if white people like me or not. Money will ensure that my ancestors efforts did not disappear in smoke.

Molly offers the same silly argument over and over.

Molly, this is for you.

Since 2000, U.S. gross domestic product lost that much as a result of discriminatory practices in a range of areas, including in education and access to business loans, according to a new study by Citigroup. Specifically, the study came up with $16 trillion in lost GDP by noting four key racial gaps between African Americans and whites:

$13 trillion lost in potential business revenue because of discriminatory lending to African American entrepreneurs, with an estimated 6.1 million jobs not generated as a result

$2.7 trillion in income lost because of disparities in wages suffered by African Americans

$218 billion lost over the past two decades because of discrimination in providing housing credit

And $90 billion to $113 billion in lifetime income lost from discrimination in accessing higher education

We can state our case for reparations on these numbers that started in the year 2000. If we only take lost income from racism starting in 2000, it equals $56,250 per black person in America. If we take combined losses in business revenue, personal income, and discrimination in housing and education since the beginning of THIS CENTURY, DURING YOUR LIFETIME, RIGHT NOW, it equals $341,880 for EACH BLACK PERSON LIVING IN AMERICA AT THIS VERY SECOND! This is money owed NOW, for things done in OUR LIFETIMES.

Racism has cost the U.S. $16 trillion, Citigroup finds

Quantifying the economic impact of racial inequality shows the steep toll it takes on America's growth.

www.cbsnews.com

https://ir.citi.com/%2FPRxPvgNWu319AU1ajGf%2BsKbjJjBJSaTOSdw2DF4xynPwFB8a2jV1FaA3Idy7vY59bOtN2lxVQM%3D

All you do is find novels to post. You have equal rights. Like I said, people will discriminate bade on many things.

 

[MizMolly]

A lot of people were denied equal rights in the past, it doesn't mean their descendants should get free money that their ancestors may or may not have had, if given more opportunities. How would such a thing even be determined?

Why should we still be denied equal rights to this day, because our distant ancestors were not "well born" privileged country estate whites without a drop of racial impurity in our blood?

My relatives weren't well born either. Everyone today has equal rights. You will find some racists and bigots who deny people based on race, sex, age, etc. I wouldn't want a damn thing from them anyway.

"Everyone today has equal rights."

Some also have generational wealth directly attributable to slavery, Jim Crow, Black Codes, etc

.

Nobody that I know.

 

[Asclepias]

A lot of people were denied equal rights in the past, it doesn't mean their descendants should get free money that their ancestors may or may not have had, if given more opportunities. How would such a thing even be determined?

Why should we still be denied equal rights to this day, because our distant ancestors were not "well born" privileged country estate whites without a drop of racial impurity in our blood?

My relatives weren't well born either. Everyone today has equal rights. You will find some racists and bigots who deny people based on race, sex, age, etc. I wouldn't want a damn thing from them anyway.

"Everyone today has equal rights."

Some also have generational wealth directly attributable to slavery, Jim Crow, Black Codes, etc

.

Nobody that I know.

You don't have to know them personally in order to acknowledge that fact.

 

[IM2]

"Everyone today has equal rights."

Laws must be followed to be valid. Unfortunately anti discrimination laws aren't.
Let your fellow USMB member Flash tell you.

“I can say for sure that happens because I did it. Before retirement, I was an Engineer. For the last 20 years of my career, I was a Manager and Director and I hired hundreds of people. I reviewed well over a thousand resumes for all kinds of positions. Everything from Secretaries to Engineering Managers. Both Salary and Hourly. I always culled out the resumes with Black Ethnic names. Never shortlisted anybody with a Black Ethnic name. Never hired them.”

“Since the Fortune 50 company I worked for had a stupid "affirmative action" hiring policies I never mentioned it to anybody and I always got away with it. A couple of times I was instructed to improve my departmental “diversity" demographics but I always ignored it and never got into any trouble. My stereotype is that anybody with a stupid ghetto Black ethnic name is probably worthless. I could have been wrong a couple of times but I was also probably right 99% of the time.

Glad I did it. I would do it again.”
​

This is not anecdotal or rare. Black unemployment has remained double the rate of whites just as it was during Jim Crow.

 

[MizMolly]

A lot of people were denied equal rights in the past, it doesn't mean their descendants should get free money that their ancestors may or may not have had, if given more opportunities. How would such a thing even be determined?

Why should we still be denied equal rights to this day, because our distant ancestors were not "well born" privileged country estate whites without a drop of racial impurity in our blood?

My relatives weren't well born either. Everyone today has equal rights. You will find some racists and bigots who deny people based on race, sex, age, etc. I wouldn't want a damn thing from them anyway.

"Everyone today has equal rights."

Some also have generational wealth directly attributable to slavery, Jim Crow, Black Codes, etc

.

Nobody that I know.

You don't have to know them personally in order to acknowledge that fact.

I do. There are rich whites who inherited their wealth from families who owned slaves. There are rich whites who worked their asses off to attain their wealth.