Why Conservatives just don't get the pope

[JakeStarkey]

When comparing the Pope to almost every figure on the far reactionary right worldwide, we realize quickly we need more Francis less reactionary dogma.

 

[bripat9643]

Why conservatives just don't get Pope Francis' anti-poverty crusade - The Week

Since outlining his vision for the Catholic church in late November, Pope Francis has endured an amount of criticism from the American right wing commensurate only with the praise piled on by the remainder of global Christianity. For most, Francis' moving exhortation to spread the gospel and engage personally with Jesus was a welcome and invigorating encouragement. But for many right wing pundits in America, Francis' call to relieve global poverty through state intervention in markets was unconscionably troubling.

Since outlining his vision for the Catholic church in late November, Pope Francis has endured an amount of criticism from the American right wing commensurate only with the praise piled on by the remainder of global Christianity. For most, Francis' moving exhortation to spread the gospel and engage personally with Jesus was a welcome and invigorating encouragement. But for many right wing pundits in America, Francis' call to relieve global poverty through state intervention in markets was unconscionably troubling.

Francis' message likely raises American conservative hackles because the American right wing has invented such a convincing façade of affinity between fiscal conservatism and Christianity over the last few decades. Though free markets, profit motives, and unrestrained accumulation of wealth have no immediate relationship with Christianity, the cross and the coin are nonetheless powerful, paired symbols of the American right wing

Douthat, for example, argues that global capitalism has been responsible for an overall reduction in poverty. But Francis' exhortation never called for an elimination of capitalism, only that states, as creations of humankind, be structured so as to alleviate the poverty that arises after capitalism has done its work. For Francis, all institutions created by humanity — and yes, distributions of wealth are created, not spontaneous — must be intentionally shaped to further just goals. Since Francis' notion of justice is informed purely by the teaching of Christ, just goals include establishing an equitable distribution of wealth that alleviates poverty and contributes to peace.

What is there to get? He's a fucking commie.

End of story.

Way to go Fingerboy

Show us all how conservatives really feel

That's how I feel, not how conservatives feel.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

When comparing the Pope to almost every figure on the far reactionary right worldwide, we realize quickly we need more Francis less reactionary dogma.

We? As in you times -1?

Such a dolt, dude.

 

[Dot Com]

The Pope isn't against capitalism, just the "unfettered" (laissez faire) Randian-type, capitalism that basically equates to theft. See: Wall St 2007-8 "ripping peoples faces off" just so they can have 3 vacation houses.

Pope Francis attacks 'tyranny' of unfettered capitalism, 'idolatry of money' - World News

Goldman Sachs and the Art of Ripping Your Clients' Faces Off

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The Pope isn't against capitalism, just the "unfettered" (laissez faire) Randian-type, capitalism that basically equates to theft. See: Wall St 2007-8 "ripping peoples faces off" just so they can have 3 vacation houses.

Pope Francis attacks 'tyranny' of unfettered capitalism, 'idolatry of money' - World News

Goldman Sachs and the Art of Ripping Your Clients' Faces Off

Take it to conspiracy theories, Dot.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Sigh, sometimes you guys confound me. You spend a lot of time trashing religion, or Christians in particlar but then extol a religious figure because he purportedly conforms with your political viewpoints. Forgive me for saying so, but that's just sad.

Pope Francis gets it

Why don't conservatives?

You do realize that he is also staunchly anti-abortion and gay marriage, right? And just in case you didn't know this, conservatism at it's heart is staunchly anti-poverty.... we want people to succeed which is why we so vehemently oppose the liberal agenda which at its heart promotes dumbing down and the soft bigotry of low expectations.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

When comparing the Pope to almost every figure on the far reactionary right worldwide, we realize quickly we need more Francis less reactionary dogma.

We? As in you times -1?

Such a dolt, dude.

It's Jakey Fakey... he's at best an abject moron and a fraud.

 

[rightwinger]

Sigh, sometimes you guys confound me. You spend a lot of time trashing religion, or Christians in particlar but then extol a religious figure because he purportedly conforms with your political viewpoints. Forgive me for saying so, but that's just sad.

Pope Francis gets it

Why don't conservatives?

You do realize that he is also staunchly anti-abortion and gay marriage, right? And just in case you didn't know this, conservatism at it's heart is staunchly anti-poverty.... we want people to succeed which is why we so vehemently oppose the liberal agenda which at its heart promotes dumbing down and the soft bigotry of low expectations.

so?

 

[rightwinger]

The Pope gets it because he understands the Catholic Church is not about blind doctrine, tradition or the trappings of wealth

It is about people

 

[bodecea]

Sigh, sometimes you guys confound me. You spend a lot of time trashing religion, or Christians in particlar but then extol a religious figure because he purportedly conforms with your political viewpoints. Forgive me for saying so, but that's just sad.

Maybe it's because too often we are confronted with people who's behavior doesn't jive with the ideals of christianity...and when we actually see that rare jewel that does....we are pleasantly surprised.

 

[The Rabbi]

The Pope gets it because he understands the Catholic Church is not about blind doctrine, tradition or the trappings of wealth

It is about people

Unfortunately for him economics is really about people and how they actually behave. And they behave best in an unfettered capitalist system. And that system has done more for poor people in 300 years than the Catholic Church has done in 2000 years.

 

[JakeStarkey]

When comparing the Pope to almost every figure on the far reactionary right worldwide, we realize quickly we need more Francis less reactionary dogma.

We? As in you times -1?

Such a dolt, dude.

It's Jakey Fakey... he's at best an abject moron and a fraud.

And there is Soggy and TASB beginning to melt.

There is a Catholic behind you. Boo! He might be a socialist.

Listen to Francis or listen to Rush. Hmmmm?

 

[Peterf]

I know you keep wanting to pretend the Pope is a hard core leftist who wants governments to provide to the poor. I don't know why it's so difficult for you guys to comprehend giving to the poor without being compelled to by a government.

I also don't know why you think that conservatives, many of whom aren't catholic and some of whom aren't even Christian care about what the Pope says.

The Free Market does decrease poverty for all people. We have some of the wealthiest poor in the history of the world and you complain about the system that created it.

I'm trying but I cannot find anything with which to disagree.

Excelent post Avatar4321.

 

[bendog]

Why conservatives just don't get Pope Francis' anti-poverty crusade - The Week

Since outlining his vision for the Catholic church in late November, Pope Francis has endured an amount of criticism from the American right wing commensurate only with the praise piled on by the remainder of global Christianity. For most, Francis' moving exhortation to spread the gospel and engage personally with Jesus was a welcome and invigorating encouragement. But for many right wing pundits in America, Francis' call to relieve global poverty through state intervention in markets was unconscionably troubling.

Since outlining his vision for the Catholic church in late November, Pope Francis has endured an amount of criticism from the American right wing commensurate only with the praise piled on by the remainder of global Christianity. For most, Francis' moving exhortation to spread the gospel and engage personally with Jesus was a welcome and invigorating encouragement. But for many right wing pundits in America, Francis' call to relieve global poverty through state intervention in markets was unconscionably troubling.

Francis' message likely raises American conservative hackles because the American right wing has invented such a convincing façade of affinity between fiscal conservatism and Christianity over the last few decades. Though free markets, profit motives, and unrestrained accumulation of wealth have no immediate relationship with Christianity, the cross and the coin are nonetheless powerful, paired symbols of the American right wing

Douthat, for example, argues that global capitalism has been responsible for an overall reduction in poverty. But Francis' exhortation never called for an elimination of capitalism, only that states, as creations of humankind, be structured so as to alleviate the poverty that arises after capitalism has done its work. For Francis, all institutions created by humanity — and yes, distributions of wealth are created, not spontaneous — must be intentionally shaped to further just goals. Since Francis' notion of justice is informed purely by the teaching of Christ, just goals include establishing an equitable distribution of wealth that alleviates poverty and contributes to peace.

could you please change the OP from "conservatives" to "extreme right wing idealogues?" Oh wait .. never mind.

 

[Dot Com]

The Pope gets it because he understands the Catholic Church is not about blind doctrine, tradition or the trappings of wealth

It is about people

and that just happens to go against everything today's Repubs stand for ATV's, jet-skis & vacation houses AKA- material posessions.

 

[bendog]

The Pope gets it because he understands the Catholic Church is not about blind doctrine, tradition or the trappings of wealth

It is about people

and that just happens to go against everything today's Repubs stand for ATV's, jet-skis & vacation houses AKA- material posessions.

I don't think that's really true. Rather, I think the econ view of those who identify as republicans is just another example of what David Frum and Bruce Bartlett (and other lifetime, mainstream gopers, like Buckley) identified as a sort of cognitive dissodance. The media sources they go to, like Fox and todays Nat Review, Wash Times, have all sold them on a view that any regulation of markets is economic poison, and Hayak proved that. It's a lie. Hayak never said that, and Stigliz won a noble proving markets don't self regulate to achieve equilibrium of true value, e.g. human emotion always distorts value.

So the result is a pretty mild mannered call by traditional european derived christianity for politicians to use regulation of markets to allow opportunity for all to obtain basic necessities is called "marxism." Moreover, the Pope didn't even single out the US. He noted that children starve to death. If you think that the US is already doing all it needs to do, and those in poverty are not doing enough to help themselves ... feel free to believe it. However, if you want to walk with Christ, you outta at least feel some guilt if your clothes were made by children who don't go to school.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I know you keep wanting to pretend the Pope is a hard core leftist who wants governments to provide to the poor. I don't know why it's so difficult for you guys to comprehend giving to the poor without being compelled to by a government.

I also don't know why you think that conservatives, many of whom aren't catholic and some of whom aren't even Christian care about what the Pope says.

The Free Market does decrease poverty for all people. We have some of the wealthiest poor in the history of the world and you complain about the system that created it.

I'm trying but I cannot find anything with which to disagree.

Excelent post Avatar4321.

Yes, social market democracy that regulates capitalism can decrease poverty.

 

[The Rabbi]

The Pope gets it because he understands the Catholic Church is not about blind doctrine, tradition or the trappings of wealth

It is about people

and that just happens to go against everything today's Repubs stand for ATV's, jet-skis & vacation houses AKA- material posessions.

Any questions?

 

[Dot Com]

I know you keep wanting to pretend the Pope is a hard core leftist who wants governments to provide to the poor. I don't know why it's so difficult for you guys to comprehend giving to the poor without being compelled to by a government.

I also don't know why you think that conservatives, many of whom aren't catholic and some of whom aren't even Christian care about what the Pope says.

The Free Market does decrease poverty for all people. We have some of the wealthiest poor in the history of the world and you complain about the system that created it.

I'm trying but I cannot find anything with which to disagree.

Excelent post Avatar4321.

Yes, social market democracy that regulates capitalism can decrease poverty.

yep. Germany didn't throw their manufacturing base under the bus in favor of the 1% like MURICA did. IN FACT, their manufacturing base is the envy of the world, except to, you guessed it the 1%'ers of MURICA. They also require employees of all levels to be on Boards meaning- the line workers won't be as likely to get shafted like they frequently do in right to work states in, you guessed it- MURICA.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The Pope gets it because he understands the Catholic Church is not about blind doctrine, tradition or the trappings of wealth

It is about people

you got me fooled RW.....that is why i left that so called Church.....