Why Conservatives just don't get the pope

[Katzndogz]

Non Catholic conservatives don't listen to the Pope and may not have paid a bit of attention to whatever he says.

 

[RightDown]

They should take it personally (assuming he actually advocated state sponsored theft).

Theft? Many Popes argue on behalf of criminal enterprises.

 

[RightDown]

The Pope gets it because he understands the Catholic Church is not about blind doctrine, tradition or the trappings of wealth

It is about people

Unfortunately for him economics is really about people and how they actually behave. And they behave best in an unfettered capitalist system. And that system has done more for poor people in 300 years than the Catholic Church has done in 2000 years.

Unfettered, unregulated capitalism always results in boom bust cycles that wreak havoc on the general population.

 

[rightwinger]

The Pope gets it because he understands the Catholic Church is not about blind doctrine, tradition or the trappings of wealth

It is about people

Unfortunately for him economics is really about people and how they actually behave. And they behave best in an unfettered capitalist system. And that system has done more for poor people in 300 years than the Catholic Church has done in 2000 years.

What is it about you guys?

Why does everything have to be about absolutes? Nobody is going to destroy capitalism. Unfettered capitalism led to the Great Depression in 1929 and the economic collapse of 2008. Why would anyone advocate that?

The pope wants responsible capitalism. Capitalism that is aware of the human impacts of its decisions.

 

[RightDown]

The Pope gets it because he understands the Catholic Church is not about blind doctrine, tradition or the trappings of wealth

It is about people

and that just happens to go against everything today's Repubs stand for ATV's, jet-skis & vacation houses AKA- material posessions.

Any questions?

Just one. What on god's green earth are you talking about?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

" Why Conservatives just don't get the pope"

Because conservatives are in bed with Big Business. And though the Pope's a CEO of sorts of one of the biggest (if not the biggest) business on Earth, the Pope's kicking them out of bed and making them get ready for school.

 

[bayoubill]

Why conservatives just don't get Pope Francis' anti-poverty crusade - The Week

Since outlining his vision for the Catholic church in late November, Pope Francis has endured an amount of criticism from the American right wing commensurate only with the praise piled on by the remainder of global Christianity. For most, Francis' moving exhortation to spread the gospel and engage personally with Jesus was a welcome and invigorating encouragement. But for many right wing pundits in America, Francis' call to relieve global poverty through state intervention in markets was unconscionably troubling.

Since outlining his vision for the Catholic church in late November, Pope Francis has endured an amount of criticism from the American right wing commensurate only with the praise piled on by the remainder of global Christianity. For most, Francis' moving exhortation to spread the gospel and engage personally with Jesus was a welcome and invigorating encouragement. But for many right wing pundits in America, Francis' call to relieve global poverty through state intervention in markets was unconscionably troubling.

Francis' message likely raises American conservative hackles because the American right wing has invented such a convincing façade of affinity between fiscal conservatism and Christianity over the last few decades. Though free markets, profit motives, and unrestrained accumulation of wealth have no immediate relationship with Christianity, the cross and the coin are nonetheless powerful, paired symbols of the American right wing

Douthat, for example, argues that global capitalism has been responsible for an overall reduction in poverty. But Francis' exhortation never called for an elimination of capitalism, only that states, as creations of humankind, be structured so as to alleviate the poverty that arises after capitalism has done its work. For Francis, all institutions created by humanity — and yes, distributions of wealth are created, not spontaneous — must be intentionally shaped to further just goals. Since Francis' notion of justice is informed purely by the teaching of Christ, just goals include establishing an equitable distribution of wealth that alleviates poverty and contributes to peace.

Jesus didn't call upon government intervention to alleviate things...

 

[Avatar4321]

Well, we have a Pope that seems to be preaching the gospel of Christ. What heresy!

Progressivism never was and will never be the Gospel of Christ.

 

[RightDown]

This whole "coercion" line of argumentation is foolish. Taxes aren't theft. We have laws created by the people for the people. If one does not like the laws in place based on the redistributive effect, then work to change those laws.

Otherwise, you are free to leave the country if you don't want to play by the rules. These people want to enjoy the USA lifestyle but they don't want to pay for it or at least play by the rules. That's sad.

It really is that simple.

 

[Kosh]

Oh gee another far left blog piece believed by the far left Obama drones.

Nothing special about that.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Sigh, sometimes you guys confound me. You spend a lot of time trashing religion, or Christians in particlar but then extol a religious figure because he purportedly conforms with your political viewpoints. Forgive me for saying so, but that's just sad.

Pope Francis gets it

Why don't conservatives?

I'm sure some conservatives do; it is the callous conservatives whose motto - I've got mine, screw the rest of you - don't. And unfortunately for the underclass in America, a powerful minority hold the H. of Rep. and the Senate hostage to an ideology that the worship of the golden calf was supported by the teachings of Jesus.

 

[RightDown]

Oh gee another far left blog piece believed by the far left Obama drones.

Nothing special about that.

Is this post directed at someone or are you talking to yourself?

 

[Avatar4321]

Pope Francis gets it

Why don't conservatives?

How about the Popes position on abortion and gay marriage? Does he 'get it' on those items to your satisfaction?

He strongly opposes both just in case you didn't know.

We are talking about the Catholic Church, a Church mired in its religious dogma for 500 years.

The pope still opposes abortion and gay marriage but has shown an openness and understanding of the social and physical issues. The Church opposes abortion and I understand their reason for it. Gay marriage is a relatively new phenomena, that may take a generation for the church to grasp.

I have to marvel at the way some insist that the oldest sins are somehow new. Or that because people disagree with your viewpoint, they don't grasp it.

 

[Kosh]

Oh gee another far left blog piece believed by the far left Obama drones.

Nothing special about that.

Is this post directed at someone or are you talking to yourself?

If it has to be explained to you, then you must be far left!

 

[longknife]

Pope Francis gets it

Why don't conservatives?

How about the Popes position on abortion and gay marriage? Does he 'get it' on those items to your satisfaction?

He strongly opposes both just in case you didn't know.

We are talking about the Catholic Church, a Church mired in its religious dogma for 500 years.

The pope still opposes abortion and gay marriage but has shown an openness and understanding of the social and physical issues. The Church opposes abortion and I understand their reason for it. Gay marriage is a relatively new phenomena, that may take a generation for the church to grasp.

There is absolutely nothing new about people of the same sex cohabiting. It's been going on since we lived in caves. What IS new is the demands by the minorities that everyone accepts it.

Pope Francis deeply believes in God's admonition to "go forth and be fruitful to people the earth" [or word to that effect]. Two people of the same sex cannot anatomically do that.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

This whole "coercion" line of argumentation is foolish. Taxes aren't theft. We have laws created by the people for the people. If one does not like the laws in place based on the redistributive effect, then work to change those laws.

Otherwise, you are free to leave the country if you don't want to play by the rules. These people want to enjoy the USA lifestyle but they don't want to pay for it or at least play by the rules. That's sad.

It really is that simple.

So, if the government declares it legal to take money from one individual and give a portion to someone else, while keeping a portion for themself, that isn't theft?

Some people have a very fucked up sense of what theft is.

it's theft. Whether it has legal authority to take by force or not, its still theft. Humans understood theft for thousands of years predating modern governments.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Why conservatives just don't get Pope Francis' anti-poverty crusade - The Week

Since outlining his vision for the Catholic church in late November, Pope Francis has endured an amount of criticism from the American right wing commensurate only with the praise piled on by the remainder of global Christianity. For most, Francis' moving exhortation to spread the gospel and engage personally with Jesus was a welcome and invigorating encouragement. But for many right wing pundits in America, Francis' call to relieve global poverty through state intervention in markets was unconscionably troubling.

Since outlining his vision for the Catholic church in late November, Pope Francis has endured an amount of criticism from the American right wing commensurate only with the praise piled on by the remainder of global Christianity. For most, Francis' moving exhortation to spread the gospel and engage personally with Jesus was a welcome and invigorating encouragement. But for many right wing pundits in America, Francis' call to relieve global poverty through state intervention in markets was unconscionably troubling.

Francis' message likely raises American conservative hackles because the American right wing has invented such a convincing façade of affinity between fiscal conservatism and Christianity over the last few decades. Though free markets, profit motives, and unrestrained accumulation of wealth have no immediate relationship with Christianity, the cross and the coin are nonetheless powerful, paired symbols of the American right wing

Douthat, for example, argues that global capitalism has been responsible for an overall reduction in poverty. But Francis' exhortation never called for an elimination of capitalism, only that states, as creations of humankind, be structured so as to alleviate the poverty that arises after capitalism has done its work. For Francis, all institutions created by humanity — and yes, distributions of wealth are created, not spontaneous — must be intentionally shaped to further just goals. Since Francis' notion of justice is informed purely by the teaching of Christ, just goals include establishing an equitable distribution of wealth that alleviates poverty and contributes to peace.

Jesus didn't call upon government intervention to alleviate things...

I suppose not all things, but the alleviation of poverty was a concern in His teachings and government has a role, does it not? What is meant by, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

They should take it personally (assuming he actually advocated state sponsored theft).

Theft? Many Popes argue on behalf of criminal enterprises.

Theft goes beyond the realms of legal authority and sit soundly in ethical groundings.

Taking what does not belong to you is theft. Whether you write down on a piece of paper that you have the authority to do it or not.

Care to link us to "many Popes arguing on behalf of criminal enterprise"?

This should be good.

 

[Dot Com]

Oh gee another far left blog piece believed by the far left Obama drones.

Nothing special about that.

Is this post directed at someone or are you talking to yourself?

I see you've met Kosh. Something wrong w/ "that one" in addition to him being a rw sheeple

As to the OP, the Pope is right. unfettered capitalism tends to bring out the worst in many. See: Wall St 2007- present

 

[Vox]

It is YOU, lying leftards who do not "get" the Pope.

starting with a simple fact that NEITHER of you have read his original.
All of you are just parroting another leftard who has heard that yet another one thought the Pope has written in his Evangelii Gaudium .
read finally the original and stop lying:

EVANGELII GAUDIUM