Why Did, And Why Do, So Many Self-Proclaimed Conservative Side w/Rush On Sandra Fluke

We are not God, the government is not God. Hence the separation of Church and State, they are two separate things.
That's a myth we are conditioned with in school as children. There was never meant to be a "separation of Church and State." The first amendment of the constitution states that the congress shall make no law abridging the free exercise of religion. This Amendment has already been heinously violated numerous times, much to the corruption and defiling of our elected representatives in government.

The constitution and the republic of the United States was only meant for a spiritual and moral people. Once they lose their faith, the republic will devolve into a authoritarian hell and a police state.

There are not many faiths left that don't have a gag order on them. Most comply with 501c regulations. What does this mean? It means they will not talk about politics or engage in political activity amongst their flock out of fear. However, THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. How can faith educate the populace about corruption and evil in government if they don't even talk about it and campaign against it? They can't. Find and read the book, "In Caesar's Grip," to fully understand this issue. But you won't find it in any public library or school library. Heaven forbid people with souls and a conscious should take back their nation.

It is not unconstitutional. Churches and church people at church can talk about politics all they want. If it is during religious services, the church property is subject to taxation.

Want tax exempt status? No politicking. Not a thing wrong with people separating campaign stops from church. Won't do it? Take back your nation while paying your fair share.

The IRS needs to enforce taxing those churches that had campaigning within in 2012.

Regards from Rosie
 
That's a myth we are conditioned with in school as children. There was never meant to be a "separation of Church and State." The first amendment of the constitution states that the congress shall make no law abridging the free exercise of religion. This Amendment has already been heinously violated numerous times, much to the corruption and defiling of our elected representatives in government.

The constitution and the republic of the United States was only meant for a spiritual and moral people. Once they lose their faith, the republic will devolve into a authoritarian hell and a police state.

There are not many faiths left that don't have a gag order on them. Most comply with 501c regulations. What does this mean? It means they will not talk about politics or engage in political activity amongst their flock out of fear. However, THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. How can faith educate the populace about corruption and evil in government if they don't even talk about it and campaign against it? They can't. Find and read the book, "In Caesar's Grip," to fully understand this issue. But you won't find it in any public library or school library. Heaven forbid people with souls and a conscious should take back their nation.

To put it in consistent terms the First Amendment call for balancing BOTH sides regarding BOTH free exercise of religion and NOT imposing religion or religious bias through Govt.

The problem is only enforcing one side of this out of context with the other.

What I find in practice, to be consistent in protecting all people's views and beliefs not just organized or recognized religion, is to interpret free exercise to mean free will or consent of the governed, within the bounds of respecting all the other laws for all people as well.
That would be fair to all people's views, whether expressed by religious personal or political beliefs. Again the problem is taking ANY freedom out of context and defending that without equal regard of the equal protection of the rights and freedoms of others. People need to practice the Golden Rule of Reciprocity, so I agree people need to be consistent!
 
We are not God, the government is not God. Hence the separation of Church and State, they are two separate things.
That's a myth we are conditioned with in school as children. There was never meant to be a "separation of Church and State." The first amendment of the constitution states that the congress shall make no law abridging the free exercise of religion. This Amendment has already been heinously violated numerous times, much to the corruption and defiling of our elected representatives in government.

The constitution and the republic of the United States was only meant for a spiritual and moral people. Once they lose their faith, the republic will devolve into a authoritarian hell and a police state.

There are not many faiths left that don't have a gag order on them. Most comply with 501c regulations. What does this mean? It means they will not talk about politics or engage in political activity amongst their flock out of fear. However, THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. How can faith educate the populace about corruption and evil in government if they don't even talk about it and campaign against it? They can't. Find and read the book, "In Caesar's Grip," to fully understand this issue. But you won't find it in any public library or school library. Heaven forbid people with souls and a conscious should take back their nation.

This is one of the main pillars of liberalism: Proclaim there must a "separation of church and state" then have the state take over every aspect of our lives, which pushes religion out.

This is what has led to government seeping into health care, and now they are trying to force a religious institution that provides health care to do something against their own religion. Its trying to force religion out of health, to supplant it with government.

The end game is always have the government in charge, and no religion in sight.
 
We are not God, the government is not God. Hence the separation of Church and State, they are two separate things.
That's a myth we are conditioned with in school as children. There was never meant to be a "separation of Church and State." The first amendment of the constitution states that the congress shall make no law abridging the free exercise of religion. This Amendment has already been heinously violated numerous times, much to the corruption and defiling of our elected representatives in government.

The constitution and the republic of the United States was only meant for a spiritual and moral people. Once they lose their faith, the republic will devolve into a authoritarian hell and a police state.

There are not many faiths left that don't have a gag order on them. Most comply with 501c regulations. What does this mean? It means they will not talk about politics or engage in political activity amongst their flock out of fear. However, THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. How can faith educate the populace about corruption and evil in government if they don't even talk about it and campaign against it? They can't. Find and read the book, "In Caesar's Grip," to fully understand this issue. But you won't find it in any public library or school library. Heaven forbid people with souls and a conscious should take back their nation.

This is one of the main pillars of liberalism: Proclaim there must a "separation of church and state" then have the state take over every aspect of our lives, which pushes religion out.

This is what has led to government seeping into health care, and now they are trying to force a religious institution that provides health care to do something against their own religion. Its trying to force religion out of health, to supplant it with government.

The end game is always have the government in charge, and no religion in sight.

To do something against their own religion? To be competitive, the health insurance of lay employees includes birth control.

The students are not asking for anything the Catholic Church hasn't already been doing.

The "religious freedom" argument is a red herring.

Regards from Rosie
 
It is not unconstitutional. Churches and church people at church can talk about politics all they want. If it is during religious services, the church property is subject to taxation.

Want tax exempt status? No politicking. Not a thing wrong with people separating campaign stops from church. Won't do it? Take back your nation while paying your fair share.

The IRS needs to enforce taxing those churches that had campaigning within in 2012.

Regards from Rosie
It IS unconstitutional. If the corrupt government didn't like what a particular congregation was saying, it could tax them into oblivion. They have no right to interfere with church business. If the religious organization is not making a profit, if it is only bringing in revenue to support it's own services, spread information about it's own views of morality according to it's spiritual views Vis-à-vis it's teachings concerning how the states governance affects the people, and serving the community, then the government has no right to pass laws or meddle in it's business.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It really is pretty straight forward. If you think the church is subject to taxation, than there is nothing I can do for you other than to say that you do not really know to what purpose the framers intended the synagogs, mosques, and churches or this nation to serve; that is to keep the politicians and people ethical and moral. That purpose has now been circumscribed and nullified. Now did they ever intend there to be a national compulsory education system, with a national school curriculum. If they had, they would have set one up, wouldn't have they? They would have been opposed to such a very tyrannical notion.

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
~John Adams
 
Want tax exempt status? No politicking. Not a thing wrong with people separating campaign stops from church. Won't do it? Take back your nation while paying your fair share.

The IRS needs to enforce taxing those churches that had campaigning within in 2012.

Regards from Rosie

You're either a hypocrite or an unwitting dupe of the Jesuits. You can't have your cake and eat it too. How dare you imply that the state use it's taxing powers against your enemies but not against your friends is not unconstitutional.

My case rests. There is no "separation of Church and State," the state has become corrupt and evil with it's use of the 501c "law," to arbitrarily threaten it's revivals in the social-political sphere of society. Do you think the IRS should go after James Hal Cone's allies, and the POTUS' allies as well?
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Yeah. . . . some how I thought not.
 
That's a myth we are conditioned with in school as children. There was never meant to be a "separation of Church and State." The first amendment of the constitution states that the congress shall make no law abridging the free exercise of religion. This Amendment has already been heinously violated numerous times, much to the corruption and defiling of our elected representatives in government.

The constitution and the republic of the United States was only meant for a spiritual and moral people. Once they lose their faith, the republic will devolve into a authoritarian hell and a police state.

There are not many faiths left that don't have a gag order on them. Most comply with 501c regulations. What does this mean? It means they will not talk about politics or engage in political activity amongst their flock out of fear. However, THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. How can faith educate the populace about corruption and evil in government if they don't even talk about it and campaign against it? They can't. Find and read the book, "In Caesar's Grip," to fully understand this issue. But you won't find it in any public library or school library. Heaven forbid people with souls and a conscious should take back their nation.

This is one of the main pillars of liberalism: Proclaim there must a "separation of church and state" then have the state take over every aspect of our lives, which pushes religion out.

This is what has led to government seeping into health care, and now they are trying to force a religious institution that provides health care to do something against their own religion. Its trying to force religion out of health, to supplant it with government.

The end game is always have the government in charge, and no religion in sight.

To do something against their own religion? To be competitive, the health insurance of lay employees includes birth control.

The students are not asking for anything the Catholic Church hasn't already been doing.

The "religious freedom" argument is a red herring.

Regards from Rosie

If the Catholic Church is already doing it, then why was she there to testify at Capital Hill in order to get the Catholic Church's university to cover it? Can you seriously be this obtuse?

The liberals also want to force Catholic institutions to cover abortion. Case in point: LifeSiteNews Mobile | Radical NY abortion bill could close Catholic hospitals, Church warns

Again, the end game is to force religious institutions out of the health care biz in favor of government run.
 
We are not God, the government is not God. Hence the separation of Church and State, they are two separate things.
That's a myth we are conditioned with in school as children. There was never meant to be a "separation of Church and State." The first amendment of the constitution states that the congress shall make no law abridging the free exercise of religion. This Amendment has already been heinously violated numerous times, much to the corruption and defiling of our elected representatives in government.

The constitution and the republic of the United States was only meant for a spiritual and moral people. Once they lose their faith, the republic will devolve into a authoritarian hell and a police state.

There are not many faiths left that don't have a gag order on them. Most comply with 501c regulations. What does this mean? It means they will not talk about politics or engage in political activity amongst their flock out of fear. However, THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. How can faith educate the populace about corruption and evil in government if they don't even talk about it and campaign against it? They can't. Find and read the book, "In Caesar's Grip," to fully understand this issue. But you won't find it in any public library or school library. Heaven forbid people with souls and a conscious should take back their nation.

It is not unconstitutional. Churches and church people at church can talk about politics all they want. If it is during religious services, the church property is subject to taxation.

Want tax exempt status? No politicking. Not a thing wrong with people separating campaign stops from church. Won't do it? Take back your nation while paying your fair share.

The IRS needs to enforce taxing those churches that had campaigning within in 2012.

Regards from Rosie

Bullshit. Taxation has nothing to do with whether or not people discuss politics. PP has tax exempt status and they fund politicians, and put out ads that attack politicians.
 
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Planned Parenthood Action Fund Ad Does Not Violate Tax Laws As Fox Suggested | Research | Media Matters for America
 
You have a 19th century view of sex where it is the primitive sexual urges of men that force the act. Women enjoy sex too. It is part of a normal adult relationship.

Like it or not, women have the primary responsibility for ensuring that contraception is used. If a mistake is made, THEY bear the consequences. They will bear the child and they will bear the responsibility for raising it.

Not what I mean at all.
Let me clarify, that in proportion to the men and women both wanting sex
the responsibility on the women is greater. And YES I will say that there are
more cases of men raping women (and creating unwanted pregnancy or abortion
against their will where it is more the fault of the man and not the woman's choice),
than women raping men, so that is not equal either.

So saying that contraception "liberated" women is unfair because it doesn't really address the issue of why women need to be liberated. It may have created more choices
and reduced the incidents of women limited in freedom; but the same problems that cause women to be treated unequally STILL occur without getting pregnant and having children, if the ATTITUDE toward women hasn't changed. For example, even without having kids and staying at home, there are plenty of stories where women give up their careers to support their husband's because women tend to take the caretaking role in relationships.

This can be changed. Many men take on the role of caretaker, and
men CAN accept equal responsiblity for raising children, not just women as you assume.
Maybe it is you who have an old-fashioned way of framing relations biased this way.
But THAT is the issue, and not just trying to fix it on the outside by contraception.

The only part that women do that men don't is carrying and bearing the child.
Before and after is equal responsibility that either or both parties can share.
So if women have a greater burden physically, it is still the equal personal responsiblity of both men and women NOT to do things that put greater burden on women!

Instead of knowing this, and still doing it, claiming that's just the way it is.

The birth control pill liberated women more than the vote did.

Prior to the pill, women would have 4-6 children over their lifetime and be tied to raising them. Career opportunities were limited by a woman having to leave the workplace to bear children and daycare is not practical with large numbers of children

Should men bear an equal responsibility for birth control and raising kids? Theoretically, yes. But practically, if a birth control pill for men was available why would women trust men to take it? They are the ones who will get pregnant
 
The pill didn't liberate women, unless you think being a single parent is liberating. There are more single parent households now than ever before, thanks to the pill and the pratice of exercising one's right to fuck as many unsuitable partners as possible without the safety net of marriage.
 
The pill didn't liberate women, unless you think being a single parent is liberating. There are more single parent households now than ever before, thanks to the pill and the pratice of exercising one's right to fuck as many unsuitable partners as possible without the safety net of marriage.

Taking the pill liberates women like Sandra Fluke to continue their education
 
Besides, women like Sandra Fluke are lesbian. Chances of accidentally getting pregnant are pretty slim.
 
They still get abortions. More women have sex, more birth control fails, more abortion. More women get abortions than got abortions before the pill.
 
I bet you can't prove that.

Read this thread

It is quite interesting

I have, which is why I know no one opposed to the birth control mandate, even Rush, ever said that birth control is more expensive if you have more sex. Feel free to provide the quote to prove me wrong.

You're actually arguing the Limblob side without being aware of this??

"She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception."
-- Limblob, 2/29

"A Georgetown coed told Nancy Pelosi's hearing that the women in her law school program are having so much sex they're going broke, so you and I should have to pay for their birth control." -- Limblob, 3/1

And in this thread, this was a classic -- I include the whole quote for the fuzzy linear time logic:
The only person that commited "character assassination" was Sandra Fluke, destroying her own character. Don't blame Rush for pointing that out.

“Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy." -- Sandra Fluke

If a woman is spending 3k a year on contraception then she must be a prostitute.

::urp:: I gotta get off this low-hanging fruit diet...
 
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They still get abortions. More women have sex, more birth control fails, more abortion. More women get abortions than got abortions before the pill.

Abstenance has failed once again

As has the lie that abortion and birth control will prevent unwanted pregnancy.

In fact, line the two up...fewer unplanned pregnancies prior to the pill and abortion. Which works better?
 

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