Why Do Democrats Oppose Voter ID?

[Jarhead]

Seeing as one can not get a job without an ID, maybe it would be a good idea to get an ID and therefore less of a chance of being poor and homeless.

Apples and Oranges Fallacy

Don't you people get tired of posting the same old tired fallacies?

P.S. Some of the people who don't have a current ID are retired.

It is not a fallacy. Saying it is apples and oranges is a cop out.
One needs an ID to get a job. I responded to the posters comment as to how many of the poor and homeless don't have ID. Sure, a small portion of those without ID are retired...but that does not address the overall majority of them without ID who are not working but not of retirement age.
As for the retired, the federal government can issue them an ID with their first social security check. Problem solved there.

ID requirements, in my opinion, should have nothing to do with the voter base, suppression of the vote, etc.

Voting in our country is a privilege. We get to vote for the local fire chief, our school board, our mayor, legislators, governors, senators, and President.

We, as voters, should APPRECIATE the NEED to prove you are a citizen in order to vote.

It is not unreasonable to require ID to vote. Democrats have found the debate as a way to make the GOP come across as racists.

You said "Voting in our country is a privilege."

It is not, it is a right.

I laugh at those people would talk about not registering a gun but have no problem with the general population being registered. Look at Germany in 1930, IDs were used to control the population, same in South Africa....

A number of European countries like UK and Ireland have no such ID because of government overreach, If you want big government then the first thing you need is a National ID card. But hey, if you want Germany and French type of big brother, go ahead...

It is a right as it pertains to law.

It is a privilege as it pertains to pride in our nation.

No one is asking for a national ID card.

Don't go off topic.

 

[g5000]

It doesn't stop people from voting multiple times? You have to show the proven evidence of that.

It doesn't. I have posted evidence on this forum several times that it doesn't.

In fact, remember when I said retards have posted cases of voter fraud as evidence we need Voter ID and they have actually posted cases from states that already have Voter ID?

Here's one of the links those retards posted not long ago: DEMOCRATS Arrested and or Convicted of Voter Fraud

There are cases of multiple voting in Indiana.

Guess what? Indiana has Voter ID! BWA-HA-HA-HA!

You have the case of Melowese Richardson in Ohio, who proudly proclaimed on video that she voted for President Obama 6 times, once for herself and 5 times for other people.

Guess what? She used absentee ballots to accomplish that. Guess what else? Ohio has had Voter ID since 2006!!! BEFORE Melowese Richardson voted for Obama six times.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for being such a retard and proving my points for me.

Multiple People Indicted For Voting Multiple Times CBS Cleveland

Read your own link, retard: "All allegedly tried to vote twice by absentee ballot"

And once again, OHIO HAS VOTER ID!!!

It doesn't stop people from voting multiple times? You have to show the proven evidence of that.

You just did!

BWA-HA-HA-HA!

 

[g5000]

I love Voter ID topics. I really do. The incredibly retardation at work is so wide open.

 

[g5000]

Jesus, I even warned the tards that others have posted evidence of fraud in states that already have Voter ID, and they STILL repeated that mistake!!!

How many pounds of brain damage does that take? Seriously.

 

[g5000]

No one is asking for a national ID card.

Actually, that is exactly what they are asking for.

REAL ID Act of 2005

Real IDs could be required to vote, collect a Social Security check, access Medicaid, open a bank account, go to an Orioles game, or buy a gun.

And now a message from the Department of Fatherland Security:

Secure driver's licenses and identification documents are a vital component of a holistic national security strategy. Law enforcement must be able to rely on government-issued identification documents and know that the bearer of such a document is who he or she claims to be.

Papers! Papers, please!

 

[Roadrunner]

Conservatives are always crowing about their devotion to the original intent of the founders...

...what did the founders say about the requirement of photo ID?

What did the founders say about Blacks and Women voting?

They left these issues to the amendment process they included, to be dealt with after we firmly established the country.

Worked out pretty well, all things considered.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

No one is asking for a national ID card.

Actually, that is exactly what they are asking for.

REAL ID Act of 2005

Real IDs could be required to vote, collect a Social Security check, access Medicaid, open a bank account, go to an Orioles game, or buy a gun.

And now a message from the Department of Fatherland Security:

Secure driver's licenses and identification documents are a vital component of a holistic national security strategy. Law enforcement must be able to rely on government-issued identification documents and know that the bearer of such a document is who he or she claims to be.

Papers! Papers, please!

You Marxist commie! Don't question the gubment.

 

[Flopper]

An interesting dissection of what is really behind the Democrats obsession with voter ID's!

Lots of folks think Democrats oppose voter ID laws because they want to cheat and such laws interfere with their plans. That’s an attractive explanation, but it ignores the far more complex architecture of voter ID opposition. Here’s the real reasons Democrats oppose voter ID. Understanding these three reasons will help you decode the whole narrative behind voter ID. 1. Opposition to Voter ID Is a Base-Mobilization Tool. Simply, Democrats and civil rights groups spend millions of dollars opposing voter ID because they are trying to scare minority voters into thinking that Jim Crow is back. If Jim Crow is...

The PJ Tatler Why Do Democrats Oppose Voter ID

I think the primary reason is and has always been that it's not needed. Voter fraud is rare and most often will not be prevented by showing an Id. Those that support Voter Id's seems to think it will only suppress Democrat votes; not so. The vast majority of voters, black or white, Democrat or Republican always carry Id's but not everyone. Some people simply don't carry id's all the time and if they have to go home to get their id to vote, then some won't bother.

IMHO, the law will not significantly alter election results as hoped by many. It will make it just a bit harder for some people to vote and thus will encourage them not to vote.

 

[Roadrunner]

Here the going price the Dems pay is a two piece box of Southern Classic Fried Chicken and a 40oz Bull.

No stereotypical racism in that post. No, sir!

Hey, come make a deer hunt election week, and I'll show you it is a FACT!!!!

Liquor store is next to the chicken joint.

Poll watchers know WHO votes, precinct and ward tallies show how MOST voted.

If it don't add up to the chicken and malt liquor dispensed, within a margin of error determined by Dem ward bosses, streets don't get fixed, cops don't help out, and other bad shit happens.

Just like all over the Dirty South.

 

[Roadrunner]

We're down to "Voter ID...because India"?

Really?

Hell, we got Socialized Obummercare "because Europe.....".

 

[g5000]

We're down to "Voter ID...because India"?

Really?

Hell, we got Socialized Obummercare "because Europe.....".

And the logic was just as flawed there, too.

 

[paulitician]

That's an easy one. It makes it harder for them to rig Elections. Period, end of story.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

That's an easy one. It makes it harder for them to rig Elections. Period, end of story.

That's it -- no explanation as to why? I love it! Stupid people unite!

Voter fraud is CURED by an ID card!!!!

 

[paulitician]

That's an easy one. It makes it harder for them to rig Elections. Period, end of story.

That's it -- no explanation as to why? I love it! Stupid people unite!

Voter fraud is CURED by an ID card!!!!

They oppose it for the reason i stated. It's as simple as that.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

That's an easy one. It makes it harder for them to rig Elections. Period, end of story.

That's it -- no explanation as to why? I love it! Stupid people unite!

Voter fraud is CURED by an ID card!!!!

They oppose it for the reason i stated. It's as simple as that.

They oppose it because It's a scam and you're too partisan to even notice.

Yes, sir!!!

How high, sir?

 

[Impenitent]

We're down to "Voter ID...because India"?

Really?

Hell, we got Socialized Obummercare "because Europe.....".

... and Massachusetts.

 

[Syriusly]

I think voter ID is unnecessary, and yes, I do believe that the primary purpose of voter ID laws is to discourage the poor and ethnic minorities from voting.

And this is where I see the evidence of that- older white voters tend to be the largest group that uses absentee ballots.....

• Voters in 30 states will have to show an ID document when they vote in-person at the polls in 2014.
• Voters in 9 states will have to include a photocopy of their ID when they vote by mail or by absentee ballot in 2014.
• Voters in the remaining 18 states (and the District of Columbia) do not need to provide ID documents when voting in person or by absentee ballot. These voters can verify their identity by signing an affidavit, providing personal identifying information, or by signing a log book or poll log (the signature is then compared to a signature on file).

Why are the rules different for absentee ballots than they are voting in person?

Because the majority of absentee voters are older white voters aka Republicans.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

2012 Voter Fraud
Claim: List cites instances proving voter fraud in the 2012 U.S. presidential election.

FALSE

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Example: [Collected via e-mail, January 2013]

Most everyone suspected fraud, but these numbers prove it and our government and media refuse to do anything about it.

As each state reported their final election details, the evidence of voter fraud is astounding. Massive voter fraud has been reported in areas of OH and FL, with PA, WI and VA, all are deploying personnel to investigate election results.

Here are just a few examples of what has surfaced with much more to come.

* In 59 voting districts in the Philadelphia region, Obama received 100% of the votes with not even a single vote recorded for Romney. (A mathematical and statistical impossibility).

* In 21 districts in Wood County Ohio, Obama received 100% of the votes where GOP inspectors were illegally removed from their polling locations - and not one single vote was recorded for Romney. (Another statistical impossibility).

* In Wood County Ohio, 106,258 voted in a county with only 98,213 eligible voters.

* In St. Lucie County, FL, there were 175,574 registered eligible voters but 247,713 votes were cast.

* The National SEAL Museum, a polling location in St. Lucie County, FL had a 158% voter turnout.

* Palm Beach County, FL had a 141% voter turnout.

* In Ohio County, Obama won by 108% of the total number of eligible voters.

NOTE: Obama won in every state that did not require a Photo ID and lost in every state that did require a Photo ID in order to vote.

Origins: Claims of fraud have arisen after each of the last several U.S. presidential elections, especially since the 2000 election, the outcome of which hinged on a prolonged dispute over a victory margin of just 537 votes in the state of Florida. As the example cited above demonstrates, the election of 2012 was no exception in that regard.

But whatever voter fraud (if any) might have occurred during the 2012 presidential election, none is evidenced by the example reproduced here. As shown below, all of the statements it comprises are demonstrably false:

• In 59 voting districts in the Philadelphia region, Obama received 100% of the votes with not even a single vote recorded for Romney. (A mathematical and statistical impossibility).

It is true that 59 voting divisions in Philadelphia recorded no votes for Mitt Romney, but given the voter composition of the Philadelphia area (and some Philadelphia wards in particular) and the number of voters in each division, that outcome was hardly a "mathematical and statistical impossibility."

Barack Obama won the overall vote in the Philadelphia area by an 85% to 14% margin over Mitt Romney; Obama also received greater than 90% of the vote in more than half of Philadelphia's 66 wards, and 99% or more of the vote in seven of those wards. That result was hardly surprising given that, as the Philadelphia Inquirer noted, those wards are "clustered in almost exclusively black sections of West and North Philadelphia" and "nationally, 93 percent of African Americans voted for Obama." The Philadelphia wards that trended very heavily for Barack Obama included many divisions of between 200 and 500 voters in which Mitt Romney received a scant handful of votes (and sometimes no votes at all), a result mirroring that of the previous election, in which Republican candidate John McCain "got zero votes in 57 Philadelphia voting divisions."

When the Inquirer went looking for Republican voters in some of those divisions, they couldn't find any:
Many parts of Philadelphia and other big cities simply lack Republican voters, a fact of campaigning that has been true since Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal, Jonathan Rodden, a political science professor at Stanford University, said.

Although voter registration lists, which often contain outdated information, show 12 Republicans live in the [28th] ward's third division, The Inquirer was unable to find any of them by calling or visiting their homes.

Four of the registered Republicans no longer lived there; four others didn't answer their doors. City Board of Elections registration data say a registered Republican used to live at 25th and York Streets, but none of the neighbors across the street knew him.

James Norris, 19, who lives down the street, is listed as a Republican in city data. But he said he's a Democrat and voted for Obama because he thinks the president will help the middle class.

A few blocks away, Eric Sapp, a 42-year-old chef, looked skeptical when told that city data had him listed as a registered Republican. "I got to check on that," said Sapp, who voted for Obama.

Eighteen Republicans reportedly live in the nearby 15th Division, according to city registration records. The 15th has the distinction of pitching two straight Republican shutouts — zero votes for McCain in 2008, zero for Romney. Oh, and 13 other city divisions did the same thing in 2008 and 2012.

Three of the 15th's registered Republicans were listed as living in the same apartment, but the tenant there said he had never heard of them. The addresses of several others could not be found.

On West Albert Street, Duke Dunston says he knows he's a registered Republican, but he's never voted for one.
Thus the results in Philadelphia were reflective not of an "impossible" statistical anomaly but rather of a general historical trend widely seen throughout the city.

• In 21 districts in Wood County Ohio, Obama received 100% of the votes where GOP inspectors were illegally removed from their polling locations — and not one single vote was recorded for Romney. (Another statistical impossibility).

A precinct-by-precinct breakdown of the official voting results from Wood County, Ohio, for the 2012 election shows that Barack Obama received nowhere close to 100% of the votes cast in any of that county's 97 precincts. The highest percentage he achieved in any one precinct was 75.5%.

• In Wood County Ohio, 106,258 voted in a county with only 98,213 eligible voters.

The official Voter Turnout statistics for Ohio show Wood County recorded a total turnout of 64,342 voters, an amount far smaller than the number of registered voters in that county (108,014).

• In St. Lucie County, FL, there were 175,574 registered eligible voters but 247,713 votes were cast.

This statement demonstrates a misunderstanding between the difference in "number of votes" cast and "number of cards" cast. The official election results from St. Lucie County, Florida, show, a total of 123,301 votes were cast for the office of President of the United States, but a total of 247,383 cards were cast because St. Lucie County used a two-page ballot (i.e., a ballot consisting of two cards), so every voter who returned both pages of his ballot cast two cards.

As the web site of that county's elections board explains: "Turnout percentages will show over 100% due to a two page ballot. The tabulation system (GEMS) provides voter turnout as equal to the total cards cast in the election divided by the number of registered voters. Also note that some voters chose not to return by mail the second card."

• The National SEAL Museum, a polling location in St. Lucie County, FL had a 158% voter turnout.

This entry repeats the same error as the previous one. The National SEAL Museum polling location in St. Lucie County had a turnout of 2756 registered voters, but a total of 4469 cards were cast because each voter's ballot consisted of two cards. The official vote count from that location for the office of President of the United States recorded 1,473 votes for Mitt Romney and 754 votes for Barack Obama.

• Palm Beach County, FL had a 141% voter turnout.

The official results for the 2012 general election for Palm Beach County, Florida, show that 605,268 out of 870,182 registered voters cast ballots for the office of President of the United States, a voter turnout rate of 69.56%, not 141%.

• In Ohio County, Obama won by 108% of the total number of eligible voters.

This statement is ambiguous because multiple states (Kentucky, Indiana, and West Virginia) have counties named Ohio. Nonetheless, this statement is false regardless of which of those counties is considered:

Mitt Romney won Ohio County, Kentucky, by a 67% to 31% margin.
Mitt Romney won Ohio County, Indiana, by a 63% to 35% margin.
Mitt Romney won Ohio County, West Virginia, by a 60% to 38% margin.

• Obama won in every state that did not require a Photo ID and lost in every state that did require a Photo ID in order to vote.

In the 2012 presidential election, Barack Obama did lose in every state that required all voters to provide photo ID, but those states were only four in number: Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, and Tennessee. Meanwhile, contrary to what is claimed here, he also lost in many states that did not require all voters to provide photo ID: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

(NOTE: If you do not live in Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, or Tennessee, then your state did not require all voters to provide photo ID during the 2012 general election. As shown on a chart of Voter Identification Requirements by state, only those four states had strict photo ID laws in place during the 2012 general election. All other states either did not require voters to provide ID or accepted some forms of non-photo ID.)
Read more at snopes.com 2012 Voter Fraud

 

[paulitician]

Look, the Democrats wanna rig Elections. But so do the Republicans. We know this. Voter ID helps make it harder for them to do that. It really is shocking so many oppose it.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

Look, the Democrats wanna rig Elections. But so do the Republicans. We know this. Voter ID helps make it harder for them to do that. It really is shocking so many oppose it.

I'm sorry, but I just do not agree. Harder? How, exactly?