Why do Democrats Trivialize The Threat From Radical Islam

[logical4u]

Senate to Hold Hearings on “Anti-Muslim Bigotry

Senate to Hold Hearings on “Anti-Muslim Bigotry”

Maybe....because bigotry is just plain wrong.

Anti-Muslim Bigotry
Peter Wehner 03.28.2011 - 4:11 PM

Here is an excerpt from Herman Cain, who was asked if he would be comfortable appointing a Muslim either in his cabinet or as a federal judge. His answer:

No, I would not. And here’s why. There is this creeping attempt, there is this attempt to gradually ease Sharia law and the Muslim faith into our government. It does not belong in our government. This is what happened in Europe. And little by little, to try and be politically correct, they made this little change, they made this little change. And now they’ve got a social problem that they don’t know what to do with hardly.
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This is an ugly and undiluted form of bigotry. It assumes, against the overwhelming evidence, that every Muslim believes in the most radical interpretation of Sharia law, when in fact millions of American Muslims are fully reconciled with democracy and the protection of minority rights. I’ve dilated on this issue before, so there’s no need to do so again.

This isn’t to say that assimilation isn’t important; it is (see here). Nor is it to deny that there are many people in the world, of the Islamic faith, who embrace a 7th-century, Taliban-like interpretation of Sharia law. No one is asking anyone to bury his head in the ground. But this is quite different from declaring anyone of the Muslim faith to be unqualified for a judgeship or a cabinet post simply because of that person’s religious faith. That is the antithesis of American law and corrosive to the spirit that animated the American founding.

On August 17, 1790, the Hebrew Congregation of Newport, Rhode Island, wrote to President Washington expressing its gratitude that the government of the United States gave “to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance.” To which Washington replied, “The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy; a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights.”

Washington went on to say:

May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants, while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree, and there shall be none to make him afraid.

Religious liberty is one of the rare and remarkable achievements by the United States. It was difficult to achieve – and it’s easier to lose than we might think. For public figures to stoke the embers of Muslim bigotry – to believe, in Michael Gerson’s phrase, that every serious Muslim is a recruit for sedition – is a moral offense. And be forewarned: it won’t stay confined. Bigotry rarely does.

Fighting bigotry is not "political correctness". Accusations of "political correctness" has become a means of silencing opposition in much the same way as their proponants claim to be silenced by the application of "political correctness".

Bigotry is NOT an American value.

It is not bigotry. It is a question of reason: if a person would tolerate or promote behavior based on their religion over the law of the land, do you want that person deciding what is "just" for others?????
Example:

News: American Thinker Blog: Miami Taliban Imam's Son Damning Wiretaps 'A Misinterpretation of Language' May 15, 2011
Miami Taliban Imam's Son Damning Wiretaps 'A Misinterpretation of Language'
notice this is a republican: "Once again, the adult wisdom of U.S. Rep. Allen West (R-Plantation) rose above both the defendants' taqiyya, and misplaced media sympathies. While applauding the efforts of the U.S. attorney's office, West urged continued vigilance, reminding Floridians and Americans in general that the arrests were:


[...] further proof that there are individuals among us aiding and abetting terrorists who want to destroy our way of life. The United States clearly continues to be a prime target.These men were living among South Floridians, worshiping at mosques in our own back yard, and using United States banks to wire money back to terrorist groups. We must recognize that a very real, dangerous faction of Islamic extremism exists in our communities. These terrorists are recruiting American citizens, infiltrating our schools and our military, and using our own resources against us."

And then from India: BBC News - India mothers charged with daughters' honour killings India mothers charged with daughters' honour killings "According to one recent study, hundreds of people are killed each year in India for falling in love or marrying against their families' wishes. "

India is not considered a muslim nation and yet, hundreds are killed because the parents disagree with their adult children's decisions.

Are you saying it is bigotry to state facts?

 

[Contumacious]

It is not bigotry. It is a question of reason: if a person would tolerate or promote behavior based on their religion over the law of the land, do you want that person deciding what is "just" for others?????

Yo Vern, the facts do not support your contention:

1- Isn't it a FACT that the zionists invaded Palestine in 1925 where they have beeen slaughtering and terrorizing the natives with complete US support?

2- Isn't it a fact that the US invaded Iraq in 1990 in order to support the zionists and have remained there ever since?

So , its not a matter of religion . Its a matter of life and the right to defend the same . Muslims have that right, don't they?

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[Coyote]

It is not bigotry. It is a question of reason: if a person would tolerate or promote behavior based on their religion over the law of the land, do you want that person deciding what is "just" for others?????

A person. That is, an individual - who puts his or her religious belief over the rule of law would NOT be tolerable in a position of law.

No problem there. That, at least is reasonable. But that is NOT what Herman Cain and those like him - are saying.

Example:

News: American Thinker Blog: Miami Taliban Imam's Son Damning Wiretaps 'A Misinterpretation of Language' May 15, 2011
Miami Taliban Imam's Son Damning Wiretaps 'A Misinterpretation of Language'
notice this is a republican: "Once again, the adult wisdom of U.S. Rep. Allen West (R-Plantation) rose above both the defendants' taqiyya, and misplaced media sympathies. While applauding the efforts of the U.S. attorney's office, West urged continued vigilance, reminding Floridians and Americans in general that the arrests were:


[...] further proof that there are individuals among us aiding and abetting terrorists who want to destroy our way of life. The United States clearly continues to be a prime target.These men were living among South Floridians, worshiping at mosques in our own back yard, and using United States banks to wire money back to terrorist groups. We must recognize that a very real, dangerous faction of Islamic extremism exists in our communities. These terrorists are recruiting American citizens, infiltrating our schools and our military, and using our own resources against us."

Are you attempting to condemn an entire faith on the actions of some of it's extremists and fear mongering politicians? And you don't think that is bigotry?

And then from India: BBC News - India mothers charged with daughters' honour killings India mothers charged with daughters' honour killings "According to one recent study, hundreds of people are killed each year in India for falling in love or marrying against their families' wishes. "

India is not considered a muslim nation and yet, hundreds are killed because the parents disagree with their adult children's decisions.

Are you saying it is bigotry to state facts?

What does that have to do with Islam and bigotry? These are cultural issues :huh

 

[logical4u]

It is not bigotry. It is a question of reason: if a person would tolerate or promote behavior based on their religion over the law of the land, do you want that person deciding what is "just" for others?????

Yo Vern, the facts do not support your contention:

1- Isn't it a FACT that the zionists invaded Palestine in 1925 where they have beeen slaughtering and terrorizing the natives with complete US support?

2- Isn't it a fact that the US invaded Iraq in 1990 in order to support the zionists and have remained there ever since?

So , its not a matter of religion . Its a matter of life and the right to defend the same . Muslims have that right, don't they?

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Vern, how did Mohammed get any of the territory for islam? How did the Ottoman empire expand? How did islam get Jerusalem?

Love how you people take a small snapshot and ignore the big picture.

I believe the main reason we went into Iraq in 1990 was because Saddam was committing genocide against the Kurds (not Zionists), using poisonous gas that was intenationally condmned way back after WWI.

Muslims are not defending they are offending. Their extremists are committing acts of terror on every continent, except Anartica. The "moderates" are not vocal enough about condemning the political side of the "religion". If the muslims want to worship in peace, no problem, give them all the space and freedom they want. If they want to killl those that disagree with them or will not worship their prophet, then it is time to revoke the welcome.

 

[logical4u]

It is not bigotry. It is a question of reason: if a person would tolerate or promote behavior based on their religion over the law of the land, do you want that person deciding what is "just" for others?????

A person. That is, an individual - who puts his or her religious belief over the rule of law would NOT be tolerable in a position of law.

No problem there. That, at least is reasonable. But that is NOT what Herman Cain and those like him - are saying.

Example:

News: American Thinker Blog: Miami Taliban Imam's Son Damning Wiretaps 'A Misinterpretation of Language' May 15, 2011
Miami Taliban Imam's Son Damning Wiretaps 'A Misinterpretation of Language'
notice this is a republican: "Once again, the adult wisdom of U.S. Rep. Allen West (R-Plantation) rose above both the defendants' taqiyya, and misplaced media sympathies. While applauding the efforts of the U.S. attorney's office, West urged continued vigilance, reminding Floridians and Americans in general that the arrests were:


[...] further proof that there are individuals among us aiding and abetting terrorists who want to destroy our way of life. The United States clearly continues to be a prime target.These men were living among South Floridians, worshiping at mosques in our own back yard, and using United States banks to wire money back to terrorist groups. We must recognize that a very real, dangerous faction of Islamic extremism exists in our communities. These terrorists are recruiting American citizens, infiltrating our schools and our military, and using our own resources against us."

Are you attempting to condemn an entire faith on the actions of some of it's extremists and fear mongering politicians? And you don't think that is bigotry?

And then from India: BBC News - India mothers charged with daughters' honour killings India mothers charged with daughters' honour killings "According to one recent study, hundreds of people are killed each year in India for falling in love or marrying against their families' wishes. "

India is not considered a muslim nation and yet, hundreds are killed because the parents disagree with their adult children's decisions.

Are you saying it is bigotry to state facts?

What does that have to do with Islam and bigotry? These are cultural issues :huh

This is the problem, people like you do not understand that this is NOT "just a religion". It is a systematic process of death. It is death (or slow torture) for you if you do not "believe". It is death for the believers (in service of the prophet, not the Lord), carrying out the plan of death. If it was "just" spiritual, not many would have a problem with it. The "system" hides behind those that embrace the spirituality, and try to please the Lord. People like you, say: it is just like every other religion, yet, when faced with facts, you will retreat to namecalling and platitudes. Explain to me how "honor killings" are spiritual and should be an accepted part of ANY religion.

I'll be holdin' my breath (NOT).

 

[CMike]

It is not bigotry. It is a question of reason: if a person would tolerate or promote behavior based on their religion over the law of the land, do you want that person deciding what is "just" for others?????

Yo Vern, the facts do not support your contention:

1- Isn't it a FACT that the zionists invaded Palestine in 1925 where they have beeen slaughtering and terrorizing the natives with complete US support?

2- Isn't it a fact that the US invaded Iraq in 1990 in order to support the zionists and have remained there ever since?


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No to both.

 

[Wicked Jester]

It is not bigotry. It is a question of reason: if a person would tolerate or promote behavior based on their religion over the law of the land, do you want that person deciding what is "just" for others?????

Yo Vern, the facts do not support your contention:

1- Isn't it a FACT that the zionists invaded Palestine in 1925 where they have beeen slaughtering and terrorizing the natives with complete US support?

2- Isn't it a fact that the US invaded Iraq in 1990 in order to support the zionists and have remained there ever since?

So , its not a matter of religion . Its a matter of life and the right to defend the same . Muslims have that right, don't they?

.

Yo Laverne,

1) The Israeli's moved back home....There is no such thing as Palestine, and the only slaughtering and terrorizing going on, is perpetrated by a bunch of crazy zealots.

2) We invaded Iraq in 1990 because they invaded a key allie, in an attempt to take over their country and oil fields.

Loony revisionist history is fuckin' laughable.

 

[Coyote]

This is the problem, people like you do not understand that this is NOT "just a religion". It is a systematic process of death. It is death (or slow torture) for you if you do not "believe". It is death for the believers (in service of the prophet, not the Lord), carrying out the plan of death.

The problem is, if you are going to learn about a religion, the place to learn about it is not from Jihad Watch and "politically incorrect Islam". If I want to learn about Christianity it sure as hell won't be from a militant athiest.

If it was "just" spiritual, not many would have a problem with it. The "system" hides behind those that embrace the spirituality, and try to please the Lord. People like you, say: it is just like every other religion, yet, when faced with facts, you will retreat to namecalling and platitudes. Explain to me how "honor killings" are spiritual and should be an accepted part of ANY religion.

What name calling and "platitudes" would that be?

I'll be holdin' my breath (NOT).

Good. I'd be concerned about a possible methane explosion otherwise.

 

[logical4u]

This is the problem, people like you do not understand that this is NOT "just a religion". It is a systematic process of death. It is death (or slow torture) for you if you do not "believe". It is death for the believers (in service of the prophet, not the Lord), carrying out the plan of death.

The problem is, if you are going to learn about a religion, the place to learn about it is not from Jihad Watch and "politically incorrect Islam". If I want to learn about Christianity it sure as hell won't be from a militant athiest.

If it was "just" spiritual, not many would have a problem with it. The "system" hides behind those that embrace the spirituality, and try to please the Lord. People like you, say: it is just like every other religion, yet, when faced with facts, you will retreat to namecalling and platitudes. Explain to me how "honor killings" are spiritual and should be an accepted part of ANY religion.

What name calling and "platitudes" would that be?

I'll be holdin' my breath (NOT).

Good. I'd be concerned about a possible methane explosion otherwise.

"Bigot" was the specific name calling.

Educate me, please. Where has islam (this is not the Persian empire) made the world a better place? Where are non-muslims trying to move to, because the islamic society is so wonderful? When muslims go to another country and form demonstrations, are they demonstrating to "join" that society or are they trying to force their "chosen" society to become more islamic? Please, show me where it is so wonderful.

 

[Contumacious]

It is not bigotry. It is a question of reason: if a person would tolerate or promote behavior based on their religion over the law of the land, do you want that person deciding what is "just" for others?????

Yo Vern, the facts do not support your contention:

1- Isn't it a FACT that the zionists invaded Palestine in 1925 where they have beeen slaughtering and terrorizing the natives with complete US support?

2- Isn't it a fact that the US invaded Iraq in 1990 in order to support the zionists and have remained there ever since?

So , its not a matter of religion . Its a matter of life and the right to defend the same . Muslims have that right, don't they?

.

Vern, how did Mohammed get any of the territory for islam? How did the Ottoman empire expand? How did islam get Jerusalem?

The Palestinian Mandate

ART. 7.

The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

I believe the main reason we went into Iraq in 1990 was because Saddam was committing genocide against the Kurds (not Zionists), using poisonous gas that was intenationally condmned way back after WWI.

War Launched to Protect Israel - Bush Adviser

By Emad Mekay

WASHINGTON, Mar 29 (IPS) - IPS uncovered the remarks by Philip Zelikow, who is now the executive director of the body set up to investigate the terrorist attacks on the United States in September 2001 - the 9/11 commission - in which he suggests a prime motive for the invasion just over one year ago was to eliminate a threat to Israel, a staunch U.S. ally in the Middle East.

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[BlindBoo]

It is not bigotry. It is a question of reason: if a person would tolerate or promote behavior based on their religion over the law of the land, do you want that person deciding what is "just" for others?????

Yo Vern, the facts do not support your contention:

1- Isn't it a FACT that the zionists invaded Palestine in 1925 where they have beeen slaughtering and terrorizing the natives with complete US support?

2- Isn't it a fact that the US invaded Iraq in 1990 in order to support the zionists and have remained there ever since?

So , its not a matter of religion . Its a matter of life and the right to defend the same . Muslims have that right, don't they?

.

1. No it is not. Jewish immigrations begans many decades before. If I'm not mistaken, the Jew's set up defensive organizations after the Pogrom in Palestine in 1919-1920. US citizens did send the Jews lots of support but the US goverment did not aid them in a military capacity until the the 6 day war.

2. The first President Bush snookered Saddam into invading Kuwait. When they did the President took the knife (that he was selling to Saddam) and stuck it right in his back. With the boogey man (USSR) broken up there simply was no ever present threat to justify a large standing military. Once Saddam took the final step invading Kuwait, the trap was sprung and the propaganda (MSM) began to demonize Saddam as the next Hitler.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

[logical4u]

It is not bigotry. It is a question of reason: if a person would tolerate or promote behavior based on their religion over the law of the land, do you want that person deciding what is "just" for others?????

Yo Vern, the facts do not support your contention:

1- Isn't it a FACT that the zionists invaded Palestine in 1925 where they have beeen slaughtering and terrorizing the natives with complete US support?

2- Isn't it a fact that the US invaded Iraq in 1990 in order to support the zionists and have remained there ever since?

So , its not a matter of religion . Its a matter of life and the right to defend the same . Muslims have that right, don't they?

.

Yo Laverne,

1) The Israeli's moved back home....There is no such thing as Palestine, and the only slaughtering and terrorizing going on, is perpetrated by a bunch of crazy zealots.

2) We invaded Iraq in 1990 because they invaded a key allie, in an attempt to take over their country and oil fields.

Loony revisionist history is fuckin' laughable.

Thank you for the correction.

 

[Intense]

It is not bigotry. It is a question of reason: if a person would tolerate or promote behavior based on their religion over the law of the land, do you want that person deciding what is "just" for others?????

Yo Vern, the facts do not support your contention:

1- Isn't it a FACT that the zionists invaded Palestine in 1925 where they have beeen slaughtering and terrorizing the natives with complete US support?

2- Isn't it a fact that the US invaded Iraq in 1990 in order to support the zionists and have remained there ever since?

So , its not a matter of religion . Its a matter of life and the right to defend the same . Muslims have that right, don't they?

.

1. No it is not. Jewish immigrations begans many decades before. If I'm not mistaken, the Jew's set up defensive organizations after the Pogrom in Palestine in 1919-1920. US citizens did send the Jews lots of support but the US goverment did not aid them in a military capacity until the the 6 day war.

2. The first President Bush snookered Saddam into invading Kuwait. When they did the President took the knife (that he was selling to Saddam) and stuck it right in his back. With the boogey man (USSR) broken up there simply was no ever present threat to justify a large standing military. Once Saddam took the final step invading Kuwait, the trap was sprung and the propaganda (MSM) began to demonize Saddam as the next Hitler.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Your fiction is pretty good.

 

[Coyote]

"Bigot" was the specific name calling.

Since I didn't call you a "bigot" I don't know what you are talking about.

Unless you object to me talking about the actions and behaviors of people as "bigotry"?

Bigotry: stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

That shoe fits some people.

Educate me, please. Where has islam (this is not the Persian empire) made the world a better place?

You are covering over 1300 years worth of history here. One could look at the Middle Ages, sratch one's head (and dislodge a few fleas) and ask that same question of Christianity while watching witches toasting on an open fire.

The answer depends on what point in history in comparison to what?

In addition, rights aren't dependent on world contributions.

Where are non-muslims trying to move to, because the islamic society is so wonderful? When muslims go to another country and form demonstrations, are they demonstrating to "join" that society or are they trying to force their "chosen" society to become more islamic? Please, show me where it is so wonderful.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Contumacious]

It is not bigotry. It is a question of reason: if a person would tolerate or promote behavior based on their religion over the law of the land, do you want that person deciding what is "just" for others?????

Yo Vern, the facts do not support your contention:

1- Isn't it a FACT that the zionists invaded Palestine in 1925 where they have beeen slaughtering and terrorizing the natives with complete US support?

2- Isn't it a fact that the US invaded Iraq in 1990 in order to support the zionists and have remained there ever since?

So , its not a matter of religion . Its a matter of life and the right to defend the same . Muslims have that right, don't they?

.

Yo Laverne,

1) The Israeli's moved back home....There is no such thing as Palestine, and the only slaughtering and terrorizing going on, is perpetrated by a bunch of crazy zealots.

The goal of "disappearing" the indigenous Arab population points to a virtual truism buried beneath a mountain of apologetic Zionist literature: what spurred Palestinians' opposition to Zionism was not anti-Semitism in the sense of an irrational hatred of Jews but rather the prospect - very real - of their expulsion. "The fear of territorial displacement and dispossession," Morris reasonably concludes, "was to be the chief motor of Arab antagonism to Zionism."

Norman G Filkestein

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2) We invaded Iraq in 1990 because they invaded a key allie, in an attempt to take over their country and oil fields.

Iraq was our ally during the Iranian - Iraqi war. Kuwait stole the Ramallah Oil Fields. Bush I - senior authorized him to invade Kuwait to recover the fields.

Secondly, Iraq has never recognized Kuwait's independence.!!!!!!!!!



Loony revisionist history is fuckin' laughable.

 

[BlindBoo]

It is not bigotry. It is a question of reason: if a person would tolerate or promote behavior based on their religion over the law of the land, do you want that person deciding what is "just" for others?????

Yo Vern, the facts do not support your contention:

1- Isn't it a FACT that the zionists invaded Palestine in 1925 where they have beeen slaughtering and terrorizing the natives with complete US support?

2- Isn't it a fact that the US invaded Iraq in 1990 in order to support the zionists and have remained there ever since?

So , its not a matter of religion . Its a matter of life and the right to defend the same . Muslims have that right, don't they?

.

Yo Laverne,

1) The Israeli's moved back home....There is no such thing as Palestine, and the only slaughtering and terrorizing going on, is perpetrated by a bunch of crazy zealots.

2) We invaded Iraq in 1990 because they invaded a key allie, in an attempt to take over their country and oil fields.

Loony revisionist history is fuckin' laughable.

Actually Kuwait and the United States did not have a mutual defense pac at the time. President Bush could have and should have told Saddam in no uncertain terms that we would protect Kuwait as if it were our 51st state. Had Saddam been aware that his trading partner (Bush) would do that, I doubt seriously that he would have invaded Kuwait.

 

[BlindBoo]

Yo Vern, the facts do not support your contention:

1- Isn't it a FACT that the zionists invaded Palestine in 1925 where they have beeen slaughtering and terrorizing the natives with complete US support?

2- Isn't it a fact that the US invaded Iraq in 1990 in order to support the zionists and have remained there ever since?

So , its not a matter of religion . Its a matter of life and the right to defend the same . Muslims have that right, don't they?

.

1. No it is not. Jewish immigrations begans many decades before. If I'm not mistaken, the Jew's set up defensive organizations after the Pogrom in Palestine in 1919-1920. US citizens did send the Jews lots of support but the US goverment did not aid them in a military capacity until the the 6 day war.

2. The first President Bush snookered Saddam into invading Kuwait. When they did the President took the knife (that he was selling to Saddam) and stuck it right in his back. With the boogey man (USSR) broken up there simply was no ever present threat to justify a large standing military. Once Saddam took the final step invading Kuwait, the trap was sprung and the propaganda (MSM) began to demonize Saddam as the next Hitler.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Your fiction is pretty good.

I like your cat!

 

[Contumacious]

Yo Vern, the facts do not support your contention:

1- Isn't it a FACT that the zionists invaded Palestine in 1925 where they have beeen slaughtering and terrorizing the natives with complete US support?

2- Isn't it a fact that the US invaded Iraq in 1990 in order to support the zionists and have remained there ever since?

So , its not a matter of religion . Its a matter of life and the right to defend the same . Muslims have that right, don't they?

.

Yo Laverne,

1) The Israeli's moved back home....There is no such thing as Palestine, and the only slaughtering and terrorizing going on, is perpetrated by a bunch of crazy zealots.

2) We invaded Iraq in 1990 because they invaded a key allie, in an attempt to take over their country and oil fields.

Loony revisionist history is fuckin' laughable.

Actually Kuwait and the United States did not have a mutual defense pac at the time. President Bush could have and should have told Saddam in no uncertain terms that we would protect Kuwait as if it were our 51st state. Had Saddam been aware that his trading partner (Bush) would do that, I doubt seriously that he would have invaded Kuwait.

Actually Bush I told Saddam that it was not US policy to interfere in Arab to Arab disputes.

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[Mr.Nick]

I may have already posted this but; because they love Islam....

Why do liberals run around in goofy Che Guevara T-shirts?while claiming they're peaceful people??

They know nothing....

Its very intriguing....

 

[Mr.Nick]

I may have already posted this but; because they love Islam....

Why do liberals run around in goofy Che Guevara T-shirts?while claiming they're peaceful people??

They know nothing....

Its very intriguing....