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Because you can't imagine a force, that is capable of creating everything you look at, does not mean it does not exist.
Or a force that can bring a golbal flood.
Or because the force can change forms.
Or that it can speak through animals.
The bible has said things that was not know by man and has been confirmed by science.
The most revealing Evidence in my opinion early on is the bible said we were created from the ground, how could thjey know that fact. Fact is we know humans are made up of over 28 elements of this earth.
If you need more i will post it.
We're 70% water, shouldn't we come from the sea instead of the ground then?
Water is a element and ingredient of the earth no ?
Did you miss my point , man knew we were made from elements of the earth 3,500 years ago ?
Some stuff in the Bible is factual, some is utter fairy tale jibberish, like the things I outlined and will do so again.
Talking snakes, living inside whales, Noah's Ark story, resurrection, and on and on and on.
Because you can't imagine a force, that is capable of creating everything you look at, does not mean it does not exist.
Or a force that can bring a golbal flood.
Or because the force can change forms.
Or that it can speak through animals.
The bible has said things that was not know by man and has been confirmed by science.
The most revealing Evidence in my opinion early on is the bible said we were created from the ground, how could they know that fact. Fact is we know humans are made up of over 28 elements of this earth.
If you need more i will post it.
Ill post it for you, so everyone can see where you get this stuff:
Creation is made of particles, indiscernible to our eyes (Hebrews 11:3). Not until the 19th century was it discovered that all visible matter consists of invisible elements.
Eternal Productions - 101 Scientific Facts and Foreknowledge
Heres the actual passage:
Hebrews 11:3 (King James Version) Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Your source says 50,000 animals were on board the Ark, including dinosaurs with men.
All basic elementary level science says that is jibberish. T-Rex wasn't quiety sitting on board next to cows and man.
Anything else? Or must the discussion stay at a pre-school level?
Do you think maybe God and noah was smart enough to think to use juveniles in the place of adults ?
The only ones hating in this thread are the anti God crowd.
I don't hate people that are ignorant,i feel sorry for them and try and reach them with the truth.
Please show me evidence of hating by the 'anti-god' crowd in this thread. I don't believe in God or the Bible. In your mind, does that translate to being anti-god and hateful?
I have no problem that you believe in God. My concern is that YOU think EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD believe as you do.
We live in a free country. We are free to believe whatever we want.
How bout telling a person that is a believer their God is made up ?
Wow. What a crock of an article. Seriously.
And this guy claims to be a molecular biologist.
I don't even know where to begin. The fact that we all came from 8 or so humans is biologically unfeasible to repopulate the earth, or the way it picks and chooses which animals could survive in a great flood. I'm pretty sure there's a reason you don't see alligators out in the ocean.
Your source says 50,000 animals were on board the Ark, including dinosaurs with men.
All basic elementary level science says that is jibberish. T-Rex wasn't quiety sitting on board next to cows and man.
Anything else? Or must the discussion stay at a pre-school level?
Do you think maybe God and noah was smart enough to think to use juveniles in the place of adults ?
So your view is that the scientific community finds it to be a fact that a juvenile cow, t-rex, man and velociraptor were all on Noah's Ark and no deaths took place onboard?
Do you think maybe God and noah was smart enough to think to use juveniles in the place of adults ?
So your view is that the scientific community finds it to be a fact that a juvenile cow, t-rex, man and velociraptor were all on Noah's Ark and no deaths took place onboard?
T-rex's and velociraptors were already extinct long before humans and cows came along.
Your source says 50,000 animals were on board the Ark, including dinosaurs with men.
All basic elementary level science says that is jibberish. T-Rex wasn't quiety sitting on board next to cows and man.
Anything else? Or must the discussion stay at a pre-school level?
Do you think maybe God and noah was smart enough to think to use juveniles in the place of adults ?
So your view is that the scientific community finds it to be a fact that a juvenile cow, t-rex, man and velociraptor were all on Noah's Ark and no deaths took place onboard?
And this guy claims to be a molecular biologist.
I don't even know where to begin. The fact that we all came from 8 or so humans is biologically unfeasible to repopulate the earth, or the way it picks and chooses which animals could survive in a great flood. I'm pretty sure there's a reason you don't see alligators out in the ocean.
Yeah I've asked dozens of people who take the story of Noah's Ark as fact about freshwater fish and I've gotten nothing but a deep space level of silence.
Your source says 50,000 animals were on board the Ark, including dinosaurs with men.
All basic elementary level science says that is jibberish. T-Rex wasn't quiety sitting on board next to cows and man.
Anything else? Or must the discussion stay at a pre-school level?
Do you think maybe God and noah was smart enough to think to use juveniles in the place of adults ?
So your view is that the scientific community finds it to be a fact that a juvenile cow, t-rex, man and velociraptor were all on Noah's Ark and no deaths took place onboard?
So your view is that the scientific community finds it to be a fact that a juvenile cow, t-rex, man and velociraptor were all on Noah's Ark and no deaths took place onboard?
T-rex's and velociraptors were already extinct long before humans and cows came along.
Of course, I know that, as do most adults with an IQ that registers.
YWC provided a list of "facts" from the Bible, one of the "facts" being the size of Noah's Ark, then he provided an article to "reinforce" his "fact", the article states dinosaurs were on the Ark with man.
Hence why I asked him that question.
15And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
Here's #3, this is essentially saying 2 of every animal can fit on a boat 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet tall.
Not only is that scientifically wrong to think that, it's downright crazy.
By the way whatever happened to freshwater fish during the great flood?
"By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible."
Here's #2, where's the scientific proof that God made the universe of things that aren't visible?
There's no proof of that of course, so the first 2 are jibberish so far.
Wrong.
2.
Creation is made of particles, indiscernible to our eyes (Hebrews 11:3). Not until the 19th century was it discovered that all visible matter consists of invisible elements.
Visit:
All About Atoms (Jefferson Lab)
Did you bother to visit All about Atoms Jefferson lab ?
Wow. What a crock of an article. Seriously.
And this guy claims to be a molecular biologist.
I don't even know where to begin. The fact that we all came from 8 or so humans is biologically unfeasible to repopulate the earth, or the way it picks and chooses which animals could survive in a great flood. I'm pretty sure there's a reason you don't see alligators out in the ocean.
"Y-Chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve are the scientifically-proven theories that every man alive today is descended from a single man and every man and woman alive today is descended from a single woman."Do you think maybe God and noah was smart enough to think to use juveniles in the place of adults ?
So your view is that the scientific community finds it to be a fact that a juvenile cow, t-rex, man and velociraptor were all on Noah's Ark and no deaths took place onboard?
Or that you can create and populate a whole species from one male and one female, for all species that were aboard the Ark.
Ive studied spiritual beliefs for 40 years myself. Ive studied nature for that long as well. Ive found you tend to cherry pick like a mofo and have twisted biblical passages on a regular basis.
I can prove it too.
Really,no link.
And if you're as old as you claim J you use the term mofo.
You're probably hanging out in your underwear in your mommas basement talking on the internet pretending to be something you're not.
How very godly and christ-like for you to call someone a "mofo" and lob insults. Is that supposed to make the rest of us anti-christs look good?
15And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
Here's #3, this is essentially saying 2 of every animal can fit on a boat 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet tall.
Not only is that scientifically wrong to think that, it's downright crazy.
By the way whatever happened to freshwater fish during the great flood?
Fish didnt have, get this, nostrils.
15And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
Here's #3, this is essentially saying 2 of every animal can fit on a boat 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet tall.
Not only is that scientifically wrong to think that, it's downright crazy.
By the way whatever happened to freshwater fish during the great flood?
Let me give you an article with an explanation.
Could Noah's Ark really hold all the animals that were supposed to be preserved from Flood?
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A growing number of scientists believe that geological evidence indicates our world has undergone a catastrophic flood. This is causing them to question whether or not the biblical account of Noah's ark could be true. Many people are rereading the Biblical description of the Ark to ascertain the feasibility of such a vessel to fulfill its designated purpose in light of present day knowledge of both zoology and our present day knowledge of shipbuilding.
Size comparison between average size one-story home and Noah's Ark. Illustration from The World that Perished.
How big was Noah's Ark?
"And God said unto Noah Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt though make in the ark, and thou shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of the length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. A window shalt thou make in the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side therof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it." (Gen. 6:14-16)
A cubit is the distance between an adult's elbow and tip of the finger, no less than 18-inches [45.72 centimeters]. (Scene from The World that Perished.)
Most Hebrew scholars believe the cubit to have been no less than 18 inches long [45.72 centimeters]. This means that the ark would have been at least 450 feet long [137.16 meters], 75 feet wide [22.86 meters] and 45 feet high [13.716000000000001 meters]. Noah's Ark was said to have been the largest sea-going vessel ever built until the late nineteenth century when giant metal ships were first constructed. Its length to width ratio of six to one provided excellent stability on the high seas. In fact, modern shipbuilders say it would have been almost impossible to turn over. In every way, it was admirably suited for riding out the tremendous storms in the year of the flood.
These dimensions are especially interesting when compared to those given in the mythical, Babylonian account of the Ark. Here the ark is described as a perfect cube, extending 120 cubits in all directions and with nine decks. Such a vessel would spin slowly round and round in the water and from the standpoint of stability, would be a disaster.
Was the ark big enough to hold the number of animals required?
The total available floor space on the ark would have been over 100,000 square feet, which would be more floor space than in 20 standard-sized basketball courts.
Assuming an 18-inch cubit [45.72 centimeters], Noah's Ark would have had a cubic volume equal to 569 modern railroad stock cars.
The total cubic volume would have been 1,518,000 cubic feet [462,686.4 cubic meters] --that would be equal to the capacity of 569 modern railroad stock cars.
Now comes the question, how many land dwelling air breathing animals would have had to be taken aboard the ark to survive the flood?
According to Ernest Mayr, America's leading taxonomist, there are over 1 million species of animals in the world.
God only provided the Ark for the protection of humans and land-dwelling, air-breathing creatures. A huge number of animals would not need to be taken aboard the Ark because they are water dwellers. Representatives would be expected to survive the catastrophe. With God's protection against extinction during the Deluge, survival would have been assured. (Scene from The World that Perished, a Christian motion picture about the Flood)
However, the vast majority of these are capable of surviving in water and would not need to be brought aboard the ark. Noah need make no provision for the 21,000 species of fish or the 1,700 tunicates (marine chordates like sea squirts) found throughout the seas of the world, or the 600 echinoderms including star fish and sea urchins, or the 107,000 mollusks such as mussels, clams and oysters, or the 10,000 coelenterates like corals and sea anemones, jelly fish and hydroids or the 5,000 species of sponges, or the 30,000 protozoans, the microscopic single-celled creatures.
In addition, some of the mammals are aquatic. For example, the whales, seals and porpoises. The amphibians need not all have been included, nor all the reptiles, such as sea turtles, and alligators. Moreover, a large number of the arthropods numbering 838,000 species, such as lobsters, shrimp, crabs and water fleas and barnacles are marine creatures. And the insect species among arthropoda are usually very small. Also, many of the 35,000 species of worms as well as many of the insects could have survived outside the Ark.
How many animals needed to be brought aboard?
Doctors Morris and Whitcomb in their classic book,The Genesis Flood state that no more than 35,000 individual animals needed to go on the ark. In his well documented book, Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study, John Woodmorappe suggests that far fewer animals would have been transported upon the ark. By pointing out that the word specie is not equivalent to the created kinds of the Genesis account, Woodmorappe credibly demonstrates that as few as 2,000 animals may have been required on the ark. To pad this number for error, he continues his study by showing that the ark could easily accommodate 16,000 animals.)
But, let's be generous and add on a reasonable number to include extinct animals. Then add on some more to satisfy even the most skeptical. Let's assume 50,000 animals, far more animals than required, were on board the ark, and these need not have been the largest or even adult specimens.
Remember there are really only a few very large animals, such as the dinosaur or the elephant, and these could be represented by young ones. Assuming the average animal to be about the size of a sheep and using a railroad car for comparison, we note that the average double-deck stock car can accommodate 240 sheep. Thus, three trains hauling 69 cars each would have ample space to carry the 50,000 animals, filling only 37% of the ark. This would leave an additional 361 cars or enough to make 5 trains of 72 cars each to carry all of the food and baggage plus Noah's family of eight people. The Ark had plenty of space.
The bigger problem would have been the construction of the Ark. But the Bible indicates that Noah did this under Divine guidance and there is no reason to believe he did not hire additional workmen.
Could Noah's Ark really hold all the animals that were supposed to be preserved from Flood?
