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I've found that those who don't like the Bible either haven't studied it or don't understand it. Of course, I am not going to presume that my experiences are the end all be all of the matter.
BTW, I don't find your evidence for the Bible very compelling.
1) Manuscripts - We don't have the originals. Doesn't matter how many copies or how old they are or how alike the are. Without the originals, they aren't very convincing.
2)Archaelogical - Not really relevant to any discussion on the Bible. The Bible is an ancient document. It records real people and places. It should hardly be surprising that places mentioned in the Bible existed as the Bible says they did. Archaelogical evidence does nothing to prove the Doctrine of Christ. It does nothing to prove the Resurrection of the dead.
3)Prophetic evidence - This is probably one of the strongest pieces of evidence. But unfortunately, people tend to ignore it and many are ignorant of history and events surrounding it to recognizing the prophetic evidence when it has occured and when it is occuring. Take the Pharisees for example, they lived in the days when the Prophecied Messiah came. and they were blind to it.
4) Statistics - Don't get me started on statistics. There are three types of liars. Liars, Damned liars, and statisticians. Statistics can be completely manipulated by anyone with an agenda. And they do nothing to prove the Doctrines of Christ or the reality of the Resurrection.
No, these evidences aren't the strongest in support of the Bible. The strongest evidence is the doctrine itself and the witness of the Holy Ghost.
Christ has said:
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. (John 7:17)
In other words, He suggests that we act in faith and experiment on the Word. And by acting on the doctrine we will come to know whether it's from the Father or not.
But if we do experiment on the Doctrine, how will we know? The scriptures answer that question too:
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which mans wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Cor 2:9-14, Emphasis added)
We learn the Truth from the Spirit. That is the only evidence that can convince a man to turn to God. And what greater evidence is there than Revelation from the Father?
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:26)
If the Holy Ghost will teach us all things, then it is expedient for every Christian to seek the gift of the Holy Ghost. And we obtain this gift through exercising faith in Jesus Christ until we have enough faith to start repenting or changing our lives.
When we repent, we not only confess the things we do wrong, but we make active changes in our lives to stop the sins we are repenting of and trusting in the Atonement of Christ to help us change and be born again.
When we walk the path of repentence we will understand the need to be baptized, even by water, for the remission of sins. And after Baptism by water, we can recieve the baptism by fire, or the Gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands by one who has the authority to give it as the scriptures show.
That Gift is one of the most precious gifts God can give us aside from life itself. And it would benefit us all if we sought it out in faith and sincerity. With no hypocrisy.
Ive studied spiritual beliefs for 40 years myself. Ive studied nature for that long as well. Ive found you tend to cherry pick like a mofo and have twisted biblical passages on a regular basis.
I can prove it too.
Really,no link.
And if you're as old as you claim J you use the term mofo.
You're probably hanging out in your underwear in your mommas basement talking on the internet pretending to be something you're not.
How very godly and christ-like for you to call someone a "mofo" and lob insults. Is that supposed to make the rest of us anti-christs look good?
Of course, I know that, as do most adults with an IQ that registers.
YWC provided a list of "facts" from the Bible, one of the "facts" being the size of Noah's Ark, then he provided an article to "reinforce" his "fact", the article states dinosaurs were on the Ark with man.
Hence why I asked him that question.
I guess they must of had stun guns back in the day otherwise how would they have gotten not one, but two t-rex's on board?
And where would they have berthed two animals of that size on a vessel as small as the ark?
They all knew they were in the presence of God so they were all temporarily absolved of their animal instincts.
They all most likely started grabbing oars in their mouths to help the Ark move.
Evolution is fact and arguing with people that dont fully understand what it even is is fruitless.
Alliebaba still has yet to tell me what he thinks about the three hominid skulls i referred him to.
Your source says 50,000 animals were on board the Ark, including dinosaurs with men.
All basic elementary level science says that is jibberish. T-Rex wasn't quiety sitting on board next to cows and man.
Anything else? Or must the discussion stay at a pre-school level?
Do you think maybe God and noah was smart enough to think to use juveniles in the place of adults ?
Because you can't imagine a force, that is capable of creating everything you look at, does not mean it does not exist.
Or a force that can bring a golbal flood.
Or because the force can change forms.
Or that it can speak through animals.
The bible has said things that was not know by man and has been confirmed by science.
The most revealing Evidence in my opinion early on is the bible said we were created from the ground, how could they know that fact. Fact is we know humans are made up of over 28 elements of this earth.
If you need more i will post it.
Ill post it for you, so everyone can see where you get this stuff:
Creation is made of particles, indiscernible to our eyes (Hebrews 11:3). Not until the 19th century was it discovered that all visible matter consists of invisible elements.
Eternal Productions - 101 Scientific Facts and Foreknowledge
Heres the actual passage:
Hebrews 11:3 (King James Version) Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Here i will help you.
Gen 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Heb 11:3
(ASV) By faith we understand that the worlds have been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen hath not been made out of things which appear.
(BBE) By faith it is clear to us that the order of events was fixed by the word of God, so that what is seen has not been made from things which only seem to be.
(CEV) Because of our faith, we know that the world was made at God's command. We also know that what can be seen was made out of what cannot be seen.
(KJV) Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
(KJV+) Through faithG4102 we understandG3539 that theG3588 worldsG165 were framedG2675 by the wordG4487 of God,G2316 so that things which are seenG991 were notG3361 madeG1096 ofG1537 things which do appear.G5316
(MKJV) By faith we understand that the ages were framed by a word of God, so that the things being seen not to have come into being out of the things that appear.
Do you think maybe God and noah was smart enough to think to use juveniles in the place of adults ?
So your view is that the scientific community finds it to be a fact that a juvenile cow, t-rex, man and velociraptor were all on Noah's Ark and no deaths took place onboard?
T-rex's and velociraptors were already extinct long before humans and cows came along.
Your source says 50,000 animals were on board the Ark, including dinosaurs with men.
All basic elementary level science says that is jibberish. T-Rex wasn't quiety sitting on board next to cows and man.
Anything else? Or must the discussion stay at a pre-school level?
Do you think maybe God and noah was smart enough to think to use juveniles in the place of adults ?
The Jewish faith says all the animals were adults and they agreed to stop propagating.
15And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
Here's #3, this is essentially saying 2 of every animal can fit on a boat 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet tall.
Not only is that scientifically wrong to think that, it's downright crazy.
By the way whatever happened to freshwater fish during the great flood?
Fish didnt have, get this, nostrils.
So freshwater and salt water fish were just swimming around together in the magic pool?
Ill post it for you, so everyone can see where you get this stuff:
Creation is made of particles, indiscernible to our eyes (Hebrews 11:3). Not until the 19th century was it discovered that all visible matter consists of invisible elements.
Eternal Productions - 101 Scientific Facts and Foreknowledge
Heres the actual passage:
Hebrews 11:3 (King James Version) Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Here i will help you.
Gen 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Heb 11:3
(ASV) By faith we understand that the worlds have been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen hath not been made out of things which appear.
(BBE) By faith it is clear to us that the order of events was fixed by the word of God, so that what is seen has not been made from things which only seem to be.
(CEV) Because of our faith, we know that the world was made at God's command. We also know that what can be seen was made out of what cannot be seen.
(KJV) Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
(KJV+) Through faithG4102 we understandG3539 that theG3588 worldsG165 were framedG2675 by the wordG4487 of God,G2316 so that things which are seenG991 were notG3361 madeG1096 ofG1537 things which do appear.G5316
(MKJV) By faith we understand that the ages were framed by a word of God, so that the things being seen not to have come into being out of the things that appear.
Thanks but all you did was show 7 other passages that dispute what youre trying to promote. God didnt need particles to create the world, did he? He just plain creates. He doesnt need anything, according to the bible.
This section of the passage "so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear" doesnt say we're made of particles.
So that marbles that we see were not made of other things we see. So in other words, *poof* there was a marble. God is capable of that according to the bible. Unless you dispute it.
So your view is that the scientific community finds it to be a fact that a juvenile cow, t-rex, man and velociraptor were all on Noah's Ark and no deaths took place onboard?
T-rex's and velociraptors were already extinct long before humans and cows came along.
Aw crap. Now youve done it.....
T-rex's and velociraptors were already extinct long before humans and cows came along.
Aw crap. Now youve done it.....
No proof of that whatsoever other then faulty dating methods.
Did you watch my videos ?
Not if Sky has her way. If Sky had her way, your children would be taken from you and you'd be tossed in a dungeon....possibly worse.
Does that mean the bible is imperfect?
