Why does Congress prevent the CDC from studying gun-related violence?

[BULLDOG]

What are they afraid of? Is the CDC barred from scientifically examining any other causes of death? Why this?

Quietly, Congress extends a ban on CDC research on gun violenc

FYI - We can NOT stop gun violence, it's impossible. It doesn't matter how much the horrible crime is studied, nor who studies it, gun violence will continue. There are millions of guns in the hands of the general public, and there's no way to take all the guns away from people. Guns are shipped into this country every single day. People sell guns on the black market, and over the internet.

Anyone that wants a gun can get their hands on a gun. You can NOT legislate guns away, nor will any study prevent gun violence. A study would be a huge waste of money and resources that could be put to better use. We have tried to get rid of illegal drugs, tried to stop the flood of illegal immigrants, and have spent untold $Billions trying to stop world terrorism. Each time, we failed, and failed after we threw money and resources at the problems.

In addition, what real purpose would a study of gun violence serve? Hell, anyone can pick up a daily newspaper and read about gun violence, and that in itself is a study. We already know that gun violence stems from domestic disputes, illegal drug and gang activity, and mostly from mentally disturbed individuals. We also know that gun violence can be attributed to politics, religion, cults, hatred, revenge, jealousy, greed, adultery, alcohol and drug abuse, and many other driving influences.

Personally, I had rather see money spent on beneficial projects and programs where actual results can be seen and felt by this nation and her citizens as a whole. Why not spend funds on infrastructure, education, science, alternative energy, and our needy Vets? Why throw money away on a study that would amount to "nice to know information", but wouldn't solve the problem?

We certainly can't stop gun violence if we don't study it to find out which aspects of it are stoppable. What if we took the same attitude toward cancer?.

How can it be stopped? Anyone that wants a gun, can get their hands on a gun. FYI - It's NOT guns, it's people. So, how would it be possible to determine who might go postal, and who might not? The problem is NOT guns, the problem is people. How would you monitor people, and determine which ones are more likely to go postal? How would you stop the domestic violence aspect of it? How would you stop gangs, criminals, and those that without signs or notice, decides to end their life while taking out as many as possible with them?

I'm looking forward to your answers to those questions. And, if you can't answer those questions with doable workable solutions, then you have no point, nor firm ground to base an argument on. Also, even if a study were to be done, and certain areas of violence are founds to be common and widespread, would the study prove to stop gun violence?

I wish I, or anyone else had doable, workable solutions to those problems, but for now no one seems to. That's why the problems need to be studied. If you are willing to just accept the large amounts of unnecessary deaths as "stuff happens" then you are an idiot. The American people have decided that the status quo is not acceptable. The only ones holding up any attempt to improve things are the NRA and their bought and paid for republican politicians, and a few crazy right wingers. Those obstacles will be removed soon.

There are 8,124 gun murders in the United States in 2014. That is down from the each year previous except for 2012. In 2013, there were 505 accidental gun deaths...again, also going down, not up.

Most of the 8,124 gun murders were criminals killing other criminals, and they were confined to tiny, multi block areas in major cities.

Study poverty, out of wedlock births, teen mother hood, homes with no fathers....those are areas that would reduce gun violence in these communities.

Also study how gun crime is handled by prosecutors and judges...they are not sentencing gun criminals to long prison sentences and too many criminals with gun crime arrests are getting back out in under 3 years and murdering people....

Study those things.

A comprehensive study of gun violence would probably include aspects of all those things. Why are you afraid to look for a way to reduce unnecessary deaths?

 

[Contumacious]

FYI - We can NOT stop gun violence, it's impossible. It doesn't matter how much the horrible crime is studied, nor who studies it, gun violence will continue. There are millions of guns in the hands of the general public, and there's no way to take all the guns away from people. Guns are shipped into this country every single day. People sell guns on the black market, and over the internet.

Anyone that wants a gun can get their hands on a gun. You can NOT legislate guns away, nor will any study prevent gun violence. A study would be a huge waste of money and resources that could be put to better use. We have tried to get rid of illegal drugs, tried to stop the flood of illegal immigrants, and have spent untold $Billions trying to stop world terrorism. Each time, we failed, and failed after we threw money and resources at the problems.

In addition, what real purpose would a study of gun violence serve? Hell, anyone can pick up a daily newspaper and read about gun violence, and that in itself is a study. We already know that gun violence stems from domestic disputes, illegal drug and gang activity, and mostly from mentally disturbed individuals. We also know that gun violence can be attributed to politics, religion, cults, hatred, revenge, jealousy, greed, adultery, alcohol and drug abuse, and many other driving influences.

Personally, I had rather see money spent on beneficial projects and programs where actual results can be seen and felt by this nation and her citizens as a whole. Why not spend funds on infrastructure, education, science, alternative energy, and our needy Vets? Why throw money away on a study that would amount to "nice to know information", but wouldn't solve the problem?

We certainly can't stop gun violence if we don't study it to find out which aspects of it are stoppable. What if we took the same attitude toward cancer?.

How can it be stopped? Anyone that wants a gun, can get their hands on a gun. FYI - It's NOT guns, it's people. So, how would it be possible to determine who might go postal, and who might not? The problem is NOT guns, the problem is people. How would you monitor people, and determine which ones are more likely to go postal? How would you stop the domestic violence aspect of it? How would you stop gangs, criminals, and those that without signs or notice, decides to end their life while taking out as many as possible with them?

I'm looking forward to your answers to those questions. And, if you can't answer those questions with doable workable solutions, then you have no point, nor firm ground to base an argument on. Also, even if a study were to be done, and certain areas of violence are founds to be common and widespread, would the study prove to stop gun violence?

I wish I, or anyone else had doable, workable solutions to those problems, but for now no one seems to. That's why the problems need to be studied. If you are willing to just accept the large amounts of unnecessary deaths as "stuff happens" then you are an idiot. The American people have decided that the status quo is not acceptable. The only ones holding up any attempt to improve things are the NRA and their bought and paid for republican politicians, and a few crazy right wingers. Those obstacles will be removed soon.

There are 8,124 gun murders in the United States in 2014. That is down from the each year previous except for 2012. In 2013, there were 505 accidental gun deaths...again, also going down, not up.

Most of the 8,124 gun murders were criminals killing other criminals, and they were confined to tiny, multi block areas in major cities.

Study poverty, out of wedlock births, teen mother hood, homes with no fathers....those are areas that would reduce gun violence in these communities.

Also study how gun crime is handled by prosecutors and judges...they are not sentencing gun criminals to long prison sentences and too many criminals with gun crime arrests are getting back out in under 3 years and murdering people....

Study those things.

A comprehensive study of gun violence would probably include aspects of all those things. Why are you afraid to look for a way to reduce unnecessary deaths?

LET'S START WITH ABOLISHING GUN FREE ZONES. WE WILL TAKE IT FROM THERE.


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[Sonny Clark]

What are they afraid of? Is the CDC barred from scientifically examining any other causes of death? Why this?

Quietly, Congress extends a ban on CDC research on gun violenc

In the immediate aftermath of the massacre in Charleston, South Carolina, the US House of Representatives Appropriations Committee quietly rejected an amendment that would have allowed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to study the underlying causes of gun violence.

Dr. Fred Rivara, a professor of Pediatrics and Epidemiology at the University of Washington at Seattle Children's Hospital, has been involved with injury research for 30 years. He was part of a team that researched gun violence back in the 1990s and personally saw the chilling effects of the NRA’s lobbying arm. Rivara says that the NRA accused the CDC of trying to use science to promote gun control.

“As a result of that, many, many people stopped doing gun research, [and] the number of publications on firearm violence decreased dramatically," he told The Takeaway in April. "It was really chilling in terms of our ability to conduct research on this very important problem.”

In 2013, some 34,000 Americans died from gunshot wounds. So Takeaway Washington Correspondent Todd Zwillich decided to ask House Speaker John Boehner why his party is trying to block research on gun violence.

“The CDC is there to look at diseases that need to be dealt with to protect public health,” Boehner said at a press conference last week. “I’m sorry, but a gun is not a disease. Guns don’t kill people — people do. And when people use weapons in a horrible way, we should condemn the actions of the individual and not blame the action on some weapon.”

But does the CDC research blame the public health issue of gun violence on the weapons themselves?

“The original concern from the National Rifle Association back in 1996, which Dr. Rivara mentioned, made that very implication,” says Zwillich. “The NRA complained to Congress that the CDC was using the results of its research to essentially advocate for gun control. They called it propaganda. And back at that time, Congress slashed the CDC’s funding by the exact amount that was used for gun-related public health research.”

Rivara and his team discovered that having a gun in the home is associated with a threefold increase in the risk of a homicide — they released this information in a series of peer-reviewed articles that appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine. The CDC both funded Rivara’s original research and stood by the findings.

But after Congress seemingly retaliated against the CDC for publishing Rivara’s findings, Zwillich says researchers with the agency have shied away from conducting gun research.

FYI - We can NOT stop gun violence, it's impossible. It doesn't matter how much the horrible crime is studied, nor who studies it, gun violence will continue. There are millions of guns in the hands of the general public, and there's no way to take all the guns away from people. Guns are shipped into this country every single day. People sell guns on the black market, and over the internet.

Anyone that wants a gun can get their hands on a gun. You can NOT legislate guns away, nor will any study prevent gun violence. A study would be a huge waste of money and resources that could be put to better use. We have tried to get rid of illegal drugs, tried to stop the flood of illegal immigrants, and have spent untold $Billions trying to stop world terrorism. Each time, we failed, and failed after we threw money and resources at the problems.

In addition, what real purpose would a study of gun violence serve? Hell, anyone can pick up a daily newspaper and read about gun violence, and that in itself is a study. We already know that gun violence stems from domestic disputes, illegal drug and gang activity, and mostly from mentally disturbed individuals. We also know that gun violence can be attributed to politics, religion, cults, hatred, revenge, jealousy, greed, adultery, alcohol and drug abuse, and many other driving influences.

Personally, I had rather see money spent on beneficial projects and programs where actual results can be seen and felt by this nation and her citizens as a whole. Why not spend funds on infrastructure, education, science, alternative energy, and our needy Vets? Why throw money away on a study that would amount to "nice to know information", but wouldn't solve the problem?

We certainly can't stop gun violence if we don't study it to find out which aspects of it are stoppable. What if we took the same attitude toward cancer?.

How can it be stopped? Anyone that wants a gun, can get their hands on a gun. FYI - It's NOT guns, it's people. So, how would it be possible to determine who might go postal, and who might not? The problem is NOT guns, the problem is people. How would you monitor people, and determine which ones are more likely to go postal? How would you stop the domestic violence aspect of it? How would you stop gangs, criminals, and those that without signs or notice, decides to end their life while taking out as many as possible with them?

I'm looking forward to your answers to those questions. And, if you can't answer those questions with doable workable solutions, then you have no point, nor firm ground to base an argument on. Also, even if a study were to be done, and certain areas of violence are founds to be common and widespread, would the study prove to stop gun violence?

I wish I, or anyone else had doable, workable solutions to those problems, but for now no one seems to. That's why the problems need to be studied. If you are willing to just accept the large amounts of unnecessary deaths as "stuff happens" then you are an idiot. The American people have decided that the status quo is not acceptable. The only ones holding up any attempt to improve things are the NRA and their bought and paid for republican politicians, and a few crazy right wingers. Those obstacles will be removed soon.

Well, what can be done even if a study is done? Have any ideas? Or, are just all for wasting tax dollars on nonsense? Lets say for the sake of argument that a study is done, and evidence points to a certain problem. Then what? Still, even after a study is done, there are NO solutions to gun violence, NONE. It is impossible to remove all of the guns, and even more impossible to determine who may, or may not, commit acts of gun violence. Use common sense here, please. Regardless of what a study might indicate, the problem remains one of human behavior. So, how do we alter human behavior?

 

[Sonny Clark]

FYI - We can NOT stop gun violence, it's impossible. It doesn't matter how much the horrible crime is studied, nor who studies it, gun violence will continue. There are millions of guns in the hands of the general public, and there's no way to take all the guns away from people. Guns are shipped into this country every single day. People sell guns on the black market, and over the internet.

Anyone that wants a gun can get their hands on a gun. You can NOT legislate guns away, nor will any study prevent gun violence. A study would be a huge waste of money and resources that could be put to better use. We have tried to get rid of illegal drugs, tried to stop the flood of illegal immigrants, and have spent untold $Billions trying to stop world terrorism. Each time, we failed, and failed after we threw money and resources at the problems.

In addition, what real purpose would a study of gun violence serve? Hell, anyone can pick up a daily newspaper and read about gun violence, and that in itself is a study. We already know that gun violence stems from domestic disputes, illegal drug and gang activity, and mostly from mentally disturbed individuals. We also know that gun violence can be attributed to politics, religion, cults, hatred, revenge, jealousy, greed, adultery, alcohol and drug abuse, and many other driving influences.

Personally, I had rather see money spent on beneficial projects and programs where actual results can be seen and felt by this nation and her citizens as a whole. Why not spend funds on infrastructure, education, science, alternative energy, and our needy Vets? Why throw money away on a study that would amount to "nice to know information", but wouldn't solve the problem?

We certainly can't stop gun violence if we don't study it to find out which aspects of it are stoppable. What if we took the same attitude toward cancer?.

How can it be stopped? Anyone that wants a gun, can get their hands on a gun. FYI - It's NOT guns, it's people. So, how would it be possible to determine who might go postal, and who might not? The problem is NOT guns, the problem is people. How would you monitor people, and determine which ones are more likely to go postal? How would you stop the domestic violence aspect of it? How would you stop gangs, criminals, and those that without signs or notice, decides to end their life while taking out as many as possible with them?

I'm looking forward to your answers to those questions. And, if you can't answer those questions with doable workable solutions, then you have no point, nor firm ground to base an argument on. Also, even if a study were to be done, and certain areas of violence are founds to be common and widespread, would the study prove to stop gun violence?

I wish I, or anyone else had doable, workable solutions to those problems, but for now no one seems to. That's why the problems need to be studied. If you are willing to just accept the large amounts of unnecessary deaths as "stuff happens" then you are an idiot. The American people have decided that the status quo is not acceptable. The only ones holding up any attempt to improve things are the NRA and their bought and paid for republican politicians, and a few crazy right wingers. Those obstacles will be removed soon.

There are 8,124 gun murders in the United States in 2014. That is down from the each year previous except for 2012. In 2013, there were 505 accidental gun deaths...again, also going down, not up.

Most of the 8,124 gun murders were criminals killing other criminals, and they were confined to tiny, multi block areas in major cities.

Study poverty, out of wedlock births, teen mother hood, homes with no fathers....those are areas that would reduce gun violence in these communities.

Also study how gun crime is handled by prosecutors and judges...they are not sentencing gun criminals to long prison sentences and too many criminals with gun crime arrests are getting back out in under 3 years and murdering people....

Study those things.

A comprehensive study of gun violence would probably include aspects of all those things. Why are you afraid to look for a way to reduce unnecessary deaths?

FYI - No one is afraid to look for ways to reduce gun violence. But, most people have common sense, and they know that regardless of what a study may reveal, the problem of human behavior will remain. Remember, the problem is people, NOT guns.

 

[Contumacious]

We certainly can't stop gun violence if we don't study it to find out which aspects of it are stoppable. What if we took the same attitude toward cancer?.

How can it be stopped? Anyone that wants a gun, can get their hands on a gun. FYI - It's NOT guns, it's people. So, how would it be possible to determine who might go postal, and who might not? The problem is NOT guns, the problem is people. How would you monitor people, and determine which ones are more likely to go postal? How would you stop the domestic violence aspect of it? How would you stop gangs, criminals, and those that without signs or notice, decides to end their life while taking out as many as possible with them?

I'm looking forward to your answers to those questions. And, if you can't answer those questions with doable workable solutions, then you have no point, nor firm ground to base an argument on. Also, even if a study were to be done, and certain areas of violence are founds to be common and widespread, would the study prove to stop gun violence?

I wish I, or anyone else had doable, workable solutions to those problems, but for now no one seems to. That's why the problems need to be studied. If you are willing to just accept the large amounts of unnecessary deaths as "stuff happens" then you are an idiot. The American people have decided that the status quo is not acceptable. The only ones holding up any attempt to improve things are the NRA and their bought and paid for republican politicians, and a few crazy right wingers. Those obstacles will be removed soon.

There are 8,124 gun murders in the United States in 2014. That is down from the each year previous except for 2012. In 2013, there were 505 accidental gun deaths...again, also going down, not up.

Most of the 8,124 gun murders were criminals killing other criminals, and they were confined to tiny, multi block areas in major cities.

Study poverty, out of wedlock births, teen mother hood, homes with no fathers....those are areas that would reduce gun violence in these communities.

Also study how gun crime is handled by prosecutors and judges...they are not sentencing gun criminals to long prison sentences and too many criminals with gun crime arrests are getting back out in under 3 years and murdering people....

Study those things.

A comprehensive study of gun violence would probably include aspects of all those things. Why are you afraid to look for a way to reduce unnecessary deaths?

FYI - No one is afraid to look for ways to reduce gun violence. But, most people have common sense, and they know that regardless of what a study may reveal, the problem of human behavior will remain. Remember, the problem is people, NOT guns.

WELL , IT SOUNDS LIKE THE STUPID FUCKS SUSPECT THAT A "VIRUS" HAS INFECTED FIREARMS WHICH WILL CAUSE THE SAME TO CHOOSE HUMAN TARGETS AT RANDOM AND THEN FIRE.


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[Sonny Clark]

How can it be stopped? Anyone that wants a gun, can get their hands on a gun. FYI - It's NOT guns, it's people. So, how would it be possible to determine who might go postal, and who might not? The problem is NOT guns, the problem is people. How would you monitor people, and determine which ones are more likely to go postal? How would you stop the domestic violence aspect of it? How would you stop gangs, criminals, and those that without signs or notice, decides to end their life while taking out as many as possible with them?

I'm looking forward to your answers to those questions. And, if you can't answer those questions with doable workable solutions, then you have no point, nor firm ground to base an argument on. Also, even if a study were to be done, and certain areas of violence are founds to be common and widespread, would the study prove to stop gun violence?

I wish I, or anyone else had doable, workable solutions to those problems, but for now no one seems to. That's why the problems need to be studied. If you are willing to just accept the large amounts of unnecessary deaths as "stuff happens" then you are an idiot. The American people have decided that the status quo is not acceptable. The only ones holding up any attempt to improve things are the NRA and their bought and paid for republican politicians, and a few crazy right wingers. Those obstacles will be removed soon.

There are 8,124 gun murders in the United States in 2014. That is down from the each year previous except for 2012. In 2013, there were 505 accidental gun deaths...again, also going down, not up.

Most of the 8,124 gun murders were criminals killing other criminals, and they were confined to tiny, multi block areas in major cities.

Study poverty, out of wedlock births, teen mother hood, homes with no fathers....those are areas that would reduce gun violence in these communities.

Also study how gun crime is handled by prosecutors and judges...they are not sentencing gun criminals to long prison sentences and too many criminals with gun crime arrests are getting back out in under 3 years and murdering people....

Study those things.

A comprehensive study of gun violence would probably include aspects of all those things. Why are you afraid to look for a way to reduce unnecessary deaths?

FYI - No one is afraid to look for ways to reduce gun violence. But, most people have common sense, and they know that regardless of what a study may reveal, the problem of human behavior will remain. Remember, the problem is people, NOT guns.

WELL , IT SOUNDS LIKE THE STUPID FUCKS SUSPECT THAT A "VIRUS" HAS INFECTED FIREARMS WHICH WILL CAUSE THE SAME TO CHOOSE HUMAN TARGETS AT RANDOM AND THEN FIRE.


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Thank you. Very well said. I totally agree. Some people have no common sense.

 

[OKTexas]

as far as the idiotic comment made previously that stated as fact, If you have a gun in the home there will be tragedy, or something to that effect. do the math, find out how many guns are owned in the U.S, then take the number of gun crimes (not counting government crime) and lets see if the actual percentage will in any way support such an ignorant statement.

You know, by that logic, we should never recall a defective product, as only one in a million actually chokes a kid or sends a car off a cliff, right?

RETARD ALERT. Be specific Joe, you want a total ban right? Or will those YOU think are ok be able to keep what YOU decide they should have?

Everybody likes gun control, for the other guy who might shoot back.

You're right, and all the criminals out there are really glad you regressives have their back.

 

[OKTexas]

What are they afraid of? Is the CDC barred from scientifically examining any other causes of death? Why this?

Quietly, Congress extends a ban on CDC research on gun violenc

In the immediate aftermath of the massacre in Charleston, South Carolina, the US House of Representatives Appropriations Committee quietly rejected an amendment that would have allowed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to study the underlying causes of gun violence.

Dr. Fred Rivara, a professor of Pediatrics and Epidemiology at the University of Washington at Seattle Children's Hospital, has been involved with injury research for 30 years. He was part of a team that researched gun violence back in the 1990s and personally saw the chilling effects of the NRA’s lobbying arm. Rivara says that the NRA accused the CDC of trying to use science to promote gun control.

“As a result of that, many, many people stopped doing gun research, [and] the number of publications on firearm violence decreased dramatically," he told The Takeaway in April. "It was really chilling in terms of our ability to conduct research on this very important problem.”

In 2013, some 34,000 Americans died from gunshot wounds. So Takeaway Washington Correspondent Todd Zwillich decided to ask House Speaker John Boehner why his party is trying to block research on gun violence.

“The CDC is there to look at diseases that need to be dealt with to protect public health,” Boehner said at a press conference last week. “I’m sorry, but a gun is not a disease. Guns don’t kill people — people do. And when people use weapons in a horrible way, we should condemn the actions of the individual and not blame the action on some weapon.”

But does the CDC research blame the public health issue of gun violence on the weapons themselves?

“The original concern from the National Rifle Association back in 1996, which Dr. Rivara mentioned, made that very implication,” says Zwillich. “The NRA complained to Congress that the CDC was using the results of its research to essentially advocate for gun control. They called it propaganda. And back at that time, Congress slashed the CDC’s funding by the exact amount that was used for gun-related public health research.”

Rivara and his team discovered that having a gun in the home is associated with a threefold increase in the risk of a homicide — they released this information in a series of peer-reviewed articles that appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine. The CDC both funded Rivara’s original research and stood by the findings.

But after Congress seemingly retaliated against the CDC for publishing Rivara’s findings, Zwillich says researchers with the agency have shied away from conducting gun research.

Gonna discover something that wasn't discovered in the wake of WW2 and the Holocaust? Violence has been studied already. Not gonna figure anything out that wasn't figured out generations ago.

Nothing is static - violence, the reasons for it, the reason's behind particular violence are always changing.

That's like saying cancer has been studied already, why continue to study it?

So what interval do you suggest, the last one was completed in 2013, by the CDC BTW.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

maybe we can get the CDC to do a study on social programs like welfare to see how we can reduce the number of people on it.
How about a study on illegals to figure out a way to keep them on their own side of the river. Or maybe on liberals to figure out why they are so against voter ID at the polls.

 

[OKTexas]

"Why does Congress prevent the CDC from studying gun-related violence?"

Clearly this is rhetorical.

Considering last CDC study was completed 2 years ago, I'd say they're not.

 

[OKTexas]

"Why does Congress prevent the CDC from studying gun-related violence?"

Clearly this is rhetorical.

They prevent it because they know it's a dead end road. It'll just end up to be nothing more than "nice to know information" at best.

Right, as useful as the drinking habits of Chinese hookers, we paid for that one also.

 

[BULLDOG]

What are they afraid of? Is the CDC barred from scientifically examining any other causes of death? Why this?

Quietly, Congress extends a ban on CDC research on gun violenc

FYI - We can NOT stop gun violence, it's impossible. It doesn't matter how much the horrible crime is studied, nor who studies it, gun violence will continue. There are millions of guns in the hands of the general public, and there's no way to take all the guns away from people. Guns are shipped into this country every single day. People sell guns on the black market, and over the internet.

Anyone that wants a gun can get their hands on a gun. You can NOT legislate guns away, nor will any study prevent gun violence. A study would be a huge waste of money and resources that could be put to better use. We have tried to get rid of illegal drugs, tried to stop the flood of illegal immigrants, and have spent untold $Billions trying to stop world terrorism. Each time, we failed, and failed after we threw money and resources at the problems.

In addition, what real purpose would a study of gun violence serve? Hell, anyone can pick up a daily newspaper and read about gun violence, and that in itself is a study. We already know that gun violence stems from domestic disputes, illegal drug and gang activity, and mostly from mentally disturbed individuals. We also know that gun violence can be attributed to politics, religion, cults, hatred, revenge, jealousy, greed, adultery, alcohol and drug abuse, and many other driving influences.

Personally, I had rather see money spent on beneficial projects and programs where actual results can be seen and felt by this nation and her citizens as a whole. Why not spend funds on infrastructure, education, science, alternative energy, and our needy Vets? Why throw money away on a study that would amount to "nice to know information", but wouldn't solve the problem?

We certainly can't stop gun violence if we don't study it to find out which aspects of it are stoppable. What if we took the same attitude toward cancer?.

How can it be stopped? Anyone that wants a gun, can get their hands on a gun. FYI - It's NOT guns, it's people. So, how would it be possible to determine who might go postal, and who might not? The problem is NOT guns, the problem is people. How would you monitor people, and determine which ones are more likely to go postal? How would you stop the domestic violence aspect of it? How would you stop gangs, criminals, and those that without signs or notice, decides to end their life while taking out as many as possible with them?

I'm looking forward to your answers to those questions. And, if you can't answer those questions with doable workable solutions, then you have no point, nor firm ground to base an argument on. Also, even if a study were to be done, and certain areas of violence are founds to be common and widespread, would the study prove to stop gun violence?

I wish I, or anyone else had doable, workable solutions to those problems, but for now no one seems to. That's why the problems need to be studied. If you are willing to just accept the large amounts of unnecessary deaths as "stuff happens" then you are an idiot. The American people have decided that the status quo is not acceptable. The only ones holding up any attempt to improve things are the NRA and their bought and paid for republican politicians, and a few crazy right wingers. Those obstacles will be removed soon.

Well, what can be done even if a study is done? Have any ideas? Or, are just all for wasting tax dollars on nonsense? Lets say for the sake of argument that a study is done, and evidence points to a certain problem. Then what? Still, even after a study is done, there are NO solutions to gun violence, NONE. It is impossible to remove all of the guns, and even more impossible to determine who may, or may not, commit acts of gun violence. Use common sense here, please. Regardless of what a study might indicate, the problem remains one of human behavior. So, how do we alter human behavior?

Hard to say what ideas the study might produce. Why are you afraid to even try? The childish claim that any attempt to prevent unnecessary deaths is the same as confiscating guns is just stupid.

 

[BULLDOG]

We certainly can't stop gun violence if we don't study it to find out which aspects of it are stoppable. What if we took the same attitude toward cancer?.

How can it be stopped? Anyone that wants a gun, can get their hands on a gun. FYI - It's NOT guns, it's people. So, how would it be possible to determine who might go postal, and who might not? The problem is NOT guns, the problem is people. How would you monitor people, and determine which ones are more likely to go postal? How would you stop the domestic violence aspect of it? How would you stop gangs, criminals, and those that without signs or notice, decides to end their life while taking out as many as possible with them?

I'm looking forward to your answers to those questions. And, if you can't answer those questions with doable workable solutions, then you have no point, nor firm ground to base an argument on. Also, even if a study were to be done, and certain areas of violence are founds to be common and widespread, would the study prove to stop gun violence?

I wish I, or anyone else had doable, workable solutions to those problems, but for now no one seems to. That's why the problems need to be studied. If you are willing to just accept the large amounts of unnecessary deaths as "stuff happens" then you are an idiot. The American people have decided that the status quo is not acceptable. The only ones holding up any attempt to improve things are the NRA and their bought and paid for republican politicians, and a few crazy right wingers. Those obstacles will be removed soon.

There are 8,124 gun murders in the United States in 2014. That is down from the each year previous except for 2012. In 2013, there were 505 accidental gun deaths...again, also going down, not up.

Most of the 8,124 gun murders were criminals killing other criminals, and they were confined to tiny, multi block areas in major cities.

Study poverty, out of wedlock births, teen mother hood, homes with no fathers....those are areas that would reduce gun violence in these communities.

Also study how gun crime is handled by prosecutors and judges...they are not sentencing gun criminals to long prison sentences and too many criminals with gun crime arrests are getting back out in under 3 years and murdering people....

Study those things.

A comprehensive study of gun violence would probably include aspects of all those things. Why are you afraid to look for a way to reduce unnecessary deaths?

FYI - No one is afraid to look for ways to reduce gun violence. But, most people have common sense, and they know that regardless of what a study may reveal, the problem of human behavior will remain. Remember, the problem is people, NOT guns.

So why are you afraid to try to find the answer? No, I don't think there is one perfect solution, but I know there has to be ways to reduce the problem.

 

[OKTexas]

What are they afraid of? Is the CDC barred from scientifically examining any other causes of death? Why this?

Quietly, Congress extends a ban on CDC research on gun violenc

In the immediate aftermath of the massacre in Charleston, South Carolina, the US House of Representatives Appropriations Committee quietly rejected an amendment that would have allowed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to study the underlying causes of gun violence.

Dr. Fred Rivara, a professor of Pediatrics and Epidemiology at the University of Washington at Seattle Children's Hospital, has been involved with injury research for 30 years. He was part of a team that researched gun violence back in the 1990s and personally saw the chilling effects of the NRA’s lobbying arm. Rivara says that the NRA accused the CDC of trying to use science to promote gun control.

“As a result of that, many, many people stopped doing gun research, [and] the number of publications on firearm violence decreased dramatically," he told The Takeaway in April. "It was really chilling in terms of our ability to conduct research on this very important problem.”

In 2013, some 34,000 Americans died from gunshot wounds. So Takeaway Washington Correspondent Todd Zwillich decided to ask House Speaker John Boehner why his party is trying to block research on gun violence.

“The CDC is there to look at diseases that need to be dealt with to protect public health,” Boehner said at a press conference last week. “I’m sorry, but a gun is not a disease. Guns don’t kill people — people do. And when people use weapons in a horrible way, we should condemn the actions of the individual and not blame the action on some weapon.”

But does the CDC research blame the public health issue of gun violence on the weapons themselves?

“The original concern from the National Rifle Association back in 1996, which Dr. Rivara mentioned, made that very implication,” says Zwillich. “The NRA complained to Congress that the CDC was using the results of its research to essentially advocate for gun control. They called it propaganda. And back at that time, Congress slashed the CDC’s funding by the exact amount that was used for gun-related public health research.”

Rivara and his team discovered that having a gun in the home is associated with a threefold increase in the risk of a homicide — they released this information in a series of peer-reviewed articles that appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine. The CDC both funded Rivara’s original research and stood by the findings.

But after Congress seemingly retaliated against the CDC for publishing Rivara’s findings, Zwillich says researchers with the agency have shied away from conducting gun research.

FYI - We can NOT stop gun violence, it's impossible. It doesn't matter how much the horrible crime is studied, nor who studies it, gun violence will continue. There are millions of guns in the hands of the general public, and there's no way to take all the guns away from people. Guns are shipped into this country every single day. People sell guns on the black market, and over the internet.

Anyone that wants a gun can get their hands on a gun. You can NOT legislate guns away, nor will any study prevent gun violence. A study would be a huge waste of money and resources that could be put to better use. We have tried to get rid of illegal drugs, tried to stop the flood of illegal immigrants, and have spent untold $Billions trying to stop world terrorism. Each time, we failed, and failed after we threw money and resources at the problems.

In addition, what real purpose would a study of gun violence serve? Hell, anyone can pick up a daily newspaper and read about gun violence, and that in itself is a study. We already know that gun violence stems from domestic disputes, illegal drug and gang activity, and mostly from mentally disturbed individuals. We also know that gun violence can be attributed to politics, religion, cults, hatred, revenge, jealousy, greed, adultery, alcohol and drug abuse, and many other driving influences.

Personally, I had rather see money spent on beneficial projects and programs where actual results can be seen and felt by this nation and her citizens as a whole. Why not spend funds on infrastructure, education, science, alternative energy, and our needy Vets? Why throw money away on a study that would amount to "nice to know information", but wouldn't solve the problem?

We certainly can't stop gun violence if we don't study it to find out which aspects of it are stoppable. What if we took the same attitude toward cancer?.

How can it be stopped? Anyone that wants a gun, can get their hands on a gun. FYI - It's NOT guns, it's people. So, how would it be possible to determine who might go postal, and who might not? The problem is NOT guns, the problem is people. How would you monitor people, and determine which ones are more likely to go postal? How would you stop the domestic violence aspect of it? How would you stop gangs, criminals, and those that without signs or notice, decides to end their life while taking out as many as possible with them?

I'm looking forward to your answers to those questions. And, if you can't answer those questions with doable workable solutions, then you have no point, nor firm ground to base an argument on. Also, even if a study were to be done, and certain areas of violence are founds to be common and widespread, would the study prove to stop gun violence?

I wish I, or anyone else had doable, workable solutions to those problems, but for now no one seems to. That's why the problems need to be studied. If you are willing to just accept the large amounts of unnecessary deaths as "stuff happens" then you are an idiot. The American people have decided that the status quo is not acceptable. The only ones holding up any attempt to improve things are the NRA and their bought and paid for republican politicians, and a few crazy right wingers. Those obstacles will be removed soon.

Typical regressivecrat, intentions are all that matters, results are irrelevant.

 

[jasonnfree]

maybe we can get the CDC to do a study on social programs like welfare to see how we can reduce the number of people on it.
How about a study on illegals to figure out a way to keep them on their own side of the river. Or maybe on liberals to figure out why they are so against voter ID at the polls.

Or study why only republicans (and only republicans)get minorities kicked off the voter rolls by vote caging. Or study why republican governors (and only republican governors) try to eliminate early and weekend voting in minority districts.
Or study why if republicans are so paranoid about illegals voting even though they can't seem to come up with evidence about this - why don' t republicans take up a collection among themselves to finance a program for people to get voter i.d.? Especially those that can't afford ID, don't drive, are shut ins, or handicapped, and so they can't get ID's at the dmv?.
Why don't republicans worry about electronic voting without a paper trail.?

A link about republican vote caging that gets lots of Blacks kicked off the voting rolls. You know, blacks who vote democrat because they're too stupid to know that you republicans really love them, you really do. Honest. The link below.

Greg Palast | Investigative Reporter

 

[Sonny Clark]

FYI - We can NOT stop gun violence, it's impossible. It doesn't matter how much the horrible crime is studied, nor who studies it, gun violence will continue. There are millions of guns in the hands of the general public, and there's no way to take all the guns away from people. Guns are shipped into this country every single day. People sell guns on the black market, and over the internet.

Anyone that wants a gun can get their hands on a gun. You can NOT legislate guns away, nor will any study prevent gun violence. A study would be a huge waste of money and resources that could be put to better use. We have tried to get rid of illegal drugs, tried to stop the flood of illegal immigrants, and have spent untold $Billions trying to stop world terrorism. Each time, we failed, and failed after we threw money and resources at the problems.

In addition, what real purpose would a study of gun violence serve? Hell, anyone can pick up a daily newspaper and read about gun violence, and that in itself is a study. We already know that gun violence stems from domestic disputes, illegal drug and gang activity, and mostly from mentally disturbed individuals. We also know that gun violence can be attributed to politics, religion, cults, hatred, revenge, jealousy, greed, adultery, alcohol and drug abuse, and many other driving influences.

Personally, I had rather see money spent on beneficial projects and programs where actual results can be seen and felt by this nation and her citizens as a whole. Why not spend funds on infrastructure, education, science, alternative energy, and our needy Vets? Why throw money away on a study that would amount to "nice to know information", but wouldn't solve the problem?

We certainly can't stop gun violence if we don't study it to find out which aspects of it are stoppable. What if we took the same attitude toward cancer?.

How can it be stopped? Anyone that wants a gun, can get their hands on a gun. FYI - It's NOT guns, it's people. So, how would it be possible to determine who might go postal, and who might not? The problem is NOT guns, the problem is people. How would you monitor people, and determine which ones are more likely to go postal? How would you stop the domestic violence aspect of it? How would you stop gangs, criminals, and those that without signs or notice, decides to end their life while taking out as many as possible with them?

I'm looking forward to your answers to those questions. And, if you can't answer those questions with doable workable solutions, then you have no point, nor firm ground to base an argument on. Also, even if a study were to be done, and certain areas of violence are founds to be common and widespread, would the study prove to stop gun violence?

I wish I, or anyone else had doable, workable solutions to those problems, but for now no one seems to. That's why the problems need to be studied. If you are willing to just accept the large amounts of unnecessary deaths as "stuff happens" then you are an idiot. The American people have decided that the status quo is not acceptable. The only ones holding up any attempt to improve things are the NRA and their bought and paid for republican politicians, and a few crazy right wingers. Those obstacles will be removed soon.

Well, what can be done even if a study is done? Have any ideas? Or, are just all for wasting tax dollars on nonsense? Lets say for the sake of argument that a study is done, and evidence points to a certain problem. Then what? Still, even after a study is done, there are NO solutions to gun violence, NONE. It is impossible to remove all of the guns, and even more impossible to determine who may, or may not, commit acts of gun violence. Use common sense here, please. Regardless of what a study might indicate, the problem remains one of human behavior. So, how do we alter human behavior?

Hard to say what ideas the study might produce. Why are you afraid to even try? The childish claim that any attempt to prevent unnecessary deaths is the same as confiscating guns is just stupid.

Afraid ?????? .. Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!! ........ very silly and pathetic. As I have already explained in this thread several times, the problem is people, NOT guns. A study into GUN violence would be a waste of tax dollars. We already know what causes GUN violence, it's not a secret. Do you not follow daily headlines? There are hundreds of reasons behind gun violence, and I have listed several in previous comments to this thread. If you follow daily headlines, then you already know what causes GUN violence. And, each and every case, is PEOPLE, NOT guns. We do NOT have a GUN problem, we have a human behavior problem.

 

[Sonny Clark]

How can it be stopped? Anyone that wants a gun, can get their hands on a gun. FYI - It's NOT guns, it's people. So, how would it be possible to determine who might go postal, and who might not? The problem is NOT guns, the problem is people. How would you monitor people, and determine which ones are more likely to go postal? How would you stop the domestic violence aspect of it? How would you stop gangs, criminals, and those that without signs or notice, decides to end their life while taking out as many as possible with them?

I'm looking forward to your answers to those questions. And, if you can't answer those questions with doable workable solutions, then you have no point, nor firm ground to base an argument on. Also, even if a study were to be done, and certain areas of violence are founds to be common and widespread, would the study prove to stop gun violence?

I wish I, or anyone else had doable, workable solutions to those problems, but for now no one seems to. That's why the problems need to be studied. If you are willing to just accept the large amounts of unnecessary deaths as "stuff happens" then you are an idiot. The American people have decided that the status quo is not acceptable. The only ones holding up any attempt to improve things are the NRA and their bought and paid for republican politicians, and a few crazy right wingers. Those obstacles will be removed soon.

There are 8,124 gun murders in the United States in 2014. That is down from the each year previous except for 2012. In 2013, there were 505 accidental gun deaths...again, also going down, not up.

Most of the 8,124 gun murders were criminals killing other criminals, and they were confined to tiny, multi block areas in major cities.

Study poverty, out of wedlock births, teen mother hood, homes with no fathers....those are areas that would reduce gun violence in these communities.

Also study how gun crime is handled by prosecutors and judges...they are not sentencing gun criminals to long prison sentences and too many criminals with gun crime arrests are getting back out in under 3 years and murdering people....

Study those things.

A comprehensive study of gun violence would probably include aspects of all those things. Why are you afraid to look for a way to reduce unnecessary deaths?

FYI - No one is afraid to look for ways to reduce gun violence. But, most people have common sense, and they know that regardless of what a study may reveal, the problem of human behavior will remain. Remember, the problem is people, NOT guns.

So why are you afraid to try to find the answer? No, I don't think there is one perfect solution, but I know there has to be ways to reduce the problem.

No one that I know of is afraid of a study. Did someone in this thread say they were afraid of a study? If so, I missed it. I have already explained my position, and it has absolutely nothing to do with fear of anything. Remember, the problem is human behavior, and NOT guns.

 

[BULLDOG]

We certainly can't stop gun violence if we don't study it to find out which aspects of it are stoppable. What if we took the same attitude toward cancer?.

How can it be stopped? Anyone that wants a gun, can get their hands on a gun. FYI - It's NOT guns, it's people. So, how would it be possible to determine who might go postal, and who might not? The problem is NOT guns, the problem is people. How would you monitor people, and determine which ones are more likely to go postal? How would you stop the domestic violence aspect of it? How would you stop gangs, criminals, and those that without signs or notice, decides to end their life while taking out as many as possible with them?

I'm looking forward to your answers to those questions. And, if you can't answer those questions with doable workable solutions, then you have no point, nor firm ground to base an argument on. Also, even if a study were to be done, and certain areas of violence are founds to be common and widespread, would the study prove to stop gun violence?

I wish I, or anyone else had doable, workable solutions to those problems, but for now no one seems to. That's why the problems need to be studied. If you are willing to just accept the large amounts of unnecessary deaths as "stuff happens" then you are an idiot. The American people have decided that the status quo is not acceptable. The only ones holding up any attempt to improve things are the NRA and their bought and paid for republican politicians, and a few crazy right wingers. Those obstacles will be removed soon.

Well, what can be done even if a study is done? Have any ideas? Or, are just all for wasting tax dollars on nonsense? Lets say for the sake of argument that a study is done, and evidence points to a certain problem. Then what? Still, even after a study is done, there are NO solutions to gun violence, NONE. It is impossible to remove all of the guns, and even more impossible to determine who may, or may not, commit acts of gun violence. Use common sense here, please. Regardless of what a study might indicate, the problem remains one of human behavior. So, how do we alter human behavior?

Hard to say what ideas the study might produce. Why are you afraid to even try? The childish claim that any attempt to prevent unnecessary deaths is the same as confiscating guns is just stupid.

Afraid ?????? .. Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!! ........ very silly and pathetic. As I have already explained in this thread several times, the problem is people, NOT guns. A study into GUN violence would be a waste of tax dollars. We already know what causes GUN violence, it's not a secret. Do you not follow daily headlines? There are hundreds of reasons behind gun violence, and I have listed several in previous comments to this thread. If you follow daily headlines, then you already know what causes GUN violence. And, each and every case, is PEOPLE, NOT guns. We do NOT have a GUN problem, we have a human behavior problem.

We have a crazy RWNJ/NRA/ idiot problem. The right is imploding, and will only be an impediment to progress for a short time longer.

 

[BULLDOG]

I wish I, or anyone else had doable, workable solutions to those problems, but for now no one seems to. That's why the problems need to be studied. If you are willing to just accept the large amounts of unnecessary deaths as "stuff happens" then you are an idiot. The American people have decided that the status quo is not acceptable. The only ones holding up any attempt to improve things are the NRA and their bought and paid for republican politicians, and a few crazy right wingers. Those obstacles will be removed soon.

There are 8,124 gun murders in the United States in 2014. That is down from the each year previous except for 2012. In 2013, there were 505 accidental gun deaths...again, also going down, not up.

Most of the 8,124 gun murders were criminals killing other criminals, and they were confined to tiny, multi block areas in major cities.

Study poverty, out of wedlock births, teen mother hood, homes with no fathers....those are areas that would reduce gun violence in these communities.

Also study how gun crime is handled by prosecutors and judges...they are not sentencing gun criminals to long prison sentences and too many criminals with gun crime arrests are getting back out in under 3 years and murdering people....

Study those things.

A comprehensive study of gun violence would probably include aspects of all those things. Why are you afraid to look for a way to reduce unnecessary deaths?

FYI - No one is afraid to look for ways to reduce gun violence. But, most people have common sense, and they know that regardless of what a study may reveal, the problem of human behavior will remain. Remember, the problem is people, NOT guns.

So why are you afraid to try to find the answer? No, I don't think there is one perfect solution, but I know there has to be ways to reduce the problem.

No one that I know of is afraid of a study. Did someone in this thread say they were afraid of a study? If so, I missed it. I have already explained my position, and it has absolutely nothing to do with fear of anything. Remember, the problem is human behavior, and NOT guns.

You are getting stupider by the day. I've paid enough attention to your childish mutterings.

 

[jasonnfree]

Sugar, alcohol, and tobacco kills way more people than guns. Should have a department of sugar, alcohol, and tobacco. DSAT sounds kinda catchy. Don't give up your guns folks.