Why does the left think the Constitution applies to non-Americans?

[jc456]

We cannot apply the Constitution to people we have no jurisdiction over and whom we cannot enforce the Constitution upon.

Anyone on US soil is under our jurisdiction, including illegal aliens. See post #375.

Until illegals are caught

 

[jc456]

but its not the left who thinks the rights are endowed by the creator

but like...i can see anyone being a hypocrite who thinks theyre from a creator.......

but only for Americans

what did the founders state?

uhh, this is in reference to dupes who have the belief that god, not america and its founders, bestowed their rights upon them

uhh, too deep for ya?

if they were bestowed upon you by ..

hrmmm..


GAWWDDDddd


youd think youd uhh, listen to that mother fucker mebbe

No, that isn't what you stated. People on the right know our founding fathers used a creator to create our nation. Again read your dollar bill stupid fk !

"used a creator??"

In god we trust! Notice that word GOD on your currency

 

[bripat9643]

We're discussing people who aren't on US soil, moron.

No, we are not.

Yes we are, moron. Remember this?

"What "rights" do foreigners residing on foreign soil have in America?"

Where is that distinction in our US Constitution?

Only national socialist right wing constitutions, do that.

You actually believe the US government is obligated to protect the rights of foreigners residing in foreign countries? How would that work? Did we protect the rights of Syrians when ISIS chopped their heads off?

For your information, the distinction is made right at the top:

"We the people of the United States of America."

Is the US Constitution "national socialist right wing?"

we have a Bill of Rights.

It doesn't apply to foreigners residing on foreign soil, dumbass. How many times to you have to be told that before it penetrates your thick skull?

 

[G.T.]

but its not the left who thinks the rights are endowed by the creator

but like...i can see anyone being a hypocrite who thinks theyre from a creator.......

but only for Americans

what did the founders state?

uhh, this is in reference to dupes who have the belief that god, not america and its founders, bestowed their rights upon them

uhh, too deep for ya?

if they were bestowed upon you by ..

hrmmm..


GAWWDDDddd


youd think youd uhh, listen to that mother fucker mebbe

No, that isn't what you stated. People on the right know our founding fathers used a creator to create our nation. Again read your dollar bill stupid fk !

"used a creator??"

In god we trust! Notice that word GOD on your currency

but god on gives the right to america yeah cool story bro smoke another one you entitlement junky

 

[Indeependent]

So, none of righties are willing to show us where the Constitution says it doesn't apply to non-citizens on US soil.

Not every righty is an intellectual coward ... no, wait, all of them are.

Do you know what the words "born" and "naturalized" mean?
Apparently not as millions of current trespassers were neither "born" nor "naturalized" on US soil.

 

[mamooth]

Do you know what the words "born" and "naturalized" mean?
Apparently not as millions of current trespassers were neither "born" nor "naturalized" on US soil.

That makes them not citizens.

It doesn't mean that constitutional rights don't apply to them.

 

[Indeependent]

Do you know what the words "born" and "naturalized" mean?
Apparently not as millions of current trespassers were neither "born" nor "naturalized" on US soil.

That makes them not citizens.

It doesn't mean that constitutional rights don't apply to them.

Like providing them with a comfortable ride to their border.
Or not letting them in via an airplane flight?
What's your problem?

 

[jc456]

what did the founders state?

uhh, this is in reference to dupes who have the belief that god, not america and its founders, bestowed their rights upon them

uhh, too deep for ya?

if they were bestowed upon you by ..

hrmmm..


GAWWDDDddd


youd think youd uhh, listen to that mother fucker mebbe

No, that isn't what you stated. People on the right know our founding fathers used a creator to create our nation. Again read your dollar bill stupid fk !

"used a creator??"

In god we trust! Notice that word GOD on your currency

but god on gives the right to america yeah cool story bro smoke another one you entitlement junky

In English

 

[jc456]

Do you know what the words "born" and "naturalized" mean?
Apparently not as millions of current trespassers were neither "born" nor "naturalized" on US soil.

That makes them not citizens.

It doesn't mean that constitutional rights don't apply to them.

Who said it did?

 

[bripat9643]

Do you know what the words "born" and "naturalized" mean?
Apparently not as millions of current trespassers were neither "born" nor "naturalized" on US soil.

That makes them not citizens.

It doesn't mean that constitutional rights don't apply to them.

They have the right to due process, which means a short hearing before they are put on a bus to Tijuana. They are not entitled to all the rights enumerated in the Bill of rights.

 

[JQPublic1]

We cannot apply the Constitution to people we have no jurisdiction over and whom we cannot enforce the Constitution upon.

Anyone on US soil is under our jurisdiction, including illegal aliens. See post #375.

This discussion is about foreigners who aren't on US soil, dumbass. No one is contesting the claim that foreigners on US soil have a right to due process.

Read the second paragraph of the OP, dumbass.

"Then they want to make this silly argument about being "on American soil" ...as if, a radical jihadist could parachute into the country and as soon as his feet hits the ground he has instantaneous constitutional rights! That's not how it works. We are a humane nation who believes in basic human rights for everyone, and so we believe in treating people in accordance with basic human decency but that has nothing to do with constitutional rights. It is only the citizens of the United States who are protected by the Constitution."

The entire narrative of this paragraph is about the author's erroeous belief that foreigners on US soil have NO Constitutional rights..Now move on punk and stop calling people smarter than you dumbasses.

 

[Indeependent]

We cannot apply the Constitution to people we have no jurisdiction over and whom we cannot enforce the Constitution upon.

Anyone on US soil is under our jurisdiction, including illegal aliens. See post #375.

This discussion is about foreigners who aren't on US soil, dumbass. No one is contesting the claim that foreigners on US soil have a right to due process.

Read the second paragraph of the OP, dumbass.

"Then they want to make this silly argument about being "on American soil" ...as if, a radical jihadist could parachute into the country and as soon as his feet hits the ground he has instantaneous constitutional rights! That's not how it works. We are a humane nation who believes in basic human rights for everyone, and so we believe in treating people in accordance with basic human decency but that has nothing to do with constitutional rights. It is only the citizens of the United States who are protected by the Constitution."

The entire narrative of this paragraphis about the author's eerroeous belief that foreigners on US soil have NO Constitutional rights..Now move on punk and stop calling people smarter than you dumbasses.

They get due process and a ride to the border.
Did you miss that part of the conversation?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Hold on a second...

I'm sure that I've been told by many Conservatives that the government doesn't give us rights - they're given by God. You know - the whole "endowed by our creator", etc.

When did God only give these rights to Americans?

 

[Indeependent]

Hold on a second...

I'm sure that I've been told by many Conservatives that the government doesn't give us rights - they're given by God. You know - the whole "endowed by our creator", etc.

When did God only give these rights to Americans?

When non-Americans started needing stuff causing my Representatives to tax only Americans.

 

[oreo]

I keep hearing this asinine argument from the left and it drives me nuts. Where in the hell do they get this concept that our Constitution is supposed to apply to everyone in the world and not just American citizens? Over and over, we come up on this issue of constitutionality and they consistently want to apply it to people who aren't subject to it. We cannot enforce our Constitution worldwide so we can't apply it that way. It's really as simple as that.

Then they want to make this silly argument about being "on American soil" ...as if, a radical jihadist could parachute into the country and as soon as his feet hits the ground he has instantaneous constitutional rights! That's not how it works. We are a humane nation who believes in basic human rights for everyone, and so we believe in treating people in accordance with basic human decency but that has nothing to do with constitutional rights. It is only the citizens of the United States who are protected by the Constitution. And guess what else? That's not ALWAYS an absolute!

Many of our constitutional rights have limitations and restrictions. If an American citizen travels to Mexico and returns, they aren't protected by the 4th Amendment against being searched and having property seized. We suspend that right at the border for national security reasons. We've determined that is "reasonable" and so the Amendment doesn't apply. And that's for an American citizen who IS protected by the Constitution!

There is nothing unconstitutional about Trump's executive order on restricting entry into the US. The President has plenary power granted under the Constitution and many presidents before him have used precisely the same plenary power to do the same thing. It's not a "Muslim ban" but guess what else? He's within his authority to make it one if he wants to! There is no restriction on this, the President has plenary power and he can make this effective for any country or ALL countries if he so chooses. He can make it against a specific religion... he can make it against people with red hair! There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits him in any way with this. You may not LIKE it... but he has that authority under the Constitution.

Trump's executive order is turning out to be a comedy T.V. reality show. Trump skirts around the acting Attorney General, Sally Watts, then has Rudi Giuliani concoct this executive order, then fires Sally Watts for her telling her staff to NOT defend his order because it's unconstitutional--LOL

If you've got some reading comprehension skills this article pretty well nails it, as to why Trump's order was unconstitutional. Very good, detailed article.
Trump’s Executive Order Is an Unconstitutional Attack on Muslims. It Must Be Struck Down In Its Entirety.

If Trump challenges this it will end up in the 9th district court of appeals, if they agree with the district court judge then it probably settles the issue, if not it will end up in the U.S. Supreme court as an emergency action.

Not too many Presidents in history created a constitutional crisis within 8 days of being in office.

To add insult to injury he didn't even ban Saudi Arabia who on 9/11 killed 3000 Americans. There is a reason for that.
Countries where Trump does business are not hit by new travel restrictions
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/...le-from-places-where-hes-made-money.html?_r=0

 

[JQPublic1]

We cannot apply the Constitution to people we have no jurisdiction over and whom we cannot enforce the Constitution upon.

Anyone on US soil is under our jurisdiction, including illegal aliens. See post #375.

Until illegals are caught

When an illegal is caught and identified as such he is detained as a lawbreaker and becomes subject to immigration laws barring illegal entry. Any criminal act he is alleged to have committed on US soil, whether he is in custody or not , invokes the due process procedure. ANd like wise, should any criminal act be committed against him, the griever shall make his case to competent authority as needed. And if he.she is deported before justice is served, redress can be sought via the consulate representing his home country on his behalf.

 

[dblack]

Hold on a second...

I'm sure that I've been told by many Conservatives that the government doesn't give us rights - they're given by God. You know - the whole "endowed by our creator", etc.

When did God only give these rights to Americans?

God don' t like no Muslims.

 

[Boss]

I keep hearing this asinine argument from the left and it drives me nuts. Where in the hell do they get this concept that our Constitution is supposed to apply to everyone in the world and not just American citizens? Over and over, we come up on this issue of constitutionality and they consistently want to apply it to people who aren't subject to it. We cannot enforce our Constitution worldwide so we can't apply it that way. It's really as simple as that.

Then they want to make this silly argument about being "on American soil" ...as if, a radical jihadist could parachute into the country and as soon as his feet hits the ground he has instantaneous constitutional rights! That's not how it works. We are a humane nation who believes in basic human rights for everyone, and so we believe in treating people in accordance with basic human decency but that has nothing to do with constitutional rights. It is only the citizens of the United States who are protected by the Constitution. And guess what else? That's not ALWAYS an absolute!

Many of our constitutional rights have limitations and restrictions. If an American citizen travels to Mexico and returns, they aren't protected by the 4th Amendment against being searched and having property seized. We suspend that right at the border for national security reasons. We've determined that is "reasonable" and so the Amendment doesn't apply. And that's for an American citizen who IS protected by the Constitution!

There is nothing unconstitutional about Trump's executive order on restricting entry into the US. The President has plenary power granted under the Constitution and many presidents before him have used precisely the same plenary power to do the same thing. It's not a "Muslim ban" but guess what else? He's within his authority to make it one if he wants to! There is no restriction on this, the President has plenary power and he can make this effective for any country or ALL countries if he so chooses. He can make it against a specific religion... he can make it against people with red hair! There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits him in any way with this. You may not LIKE it... but he has that authority under the Constitution.

Trump's executive order is turning out to be a comedy T.V. reality show. Trump skirts around the acting Attorney General, Sally Watts, then has Rudi Giuliani concoct this executive order, then fires Sally Watts for her telling her staff to NOT defend his order because it's unconstitutional--LOL

If you've got some reading comprehension skills this article pretty well nails it, as to why Trump's order was unconstitutional. Very good, detailed article.
Trump’s Executive Order Is an Unconstitutional Attack on Muslims. It Must Be Struck Down In Its Entirety.

If Trump challenges this it will end up in the 9th district court of appeals, if they agree with the district court judge then it probably settles the issue, if not it will end up in the U.S. Supreme court as an emergency action.

Not too many Presidents in history created a constitutional crisis within 8 days of being in office.

To add insult to injury he didn't even ban Saudi Arabia who on 9/11 killed 3000 Americans. There is a reason for that.
Countries where Trump does business are not hit by new travel restrictions
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/...le-from-places-where-hes-made-money.html?_r=0

There's no constitutional crisis.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

14 (f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

Not a word about pending judicial review or oversight. Not a word about restrictions or limitations. It's clear and unambiguous. The statute grants the president plenary power.

No crisis whatsoever, except in your confused little liberal head.

 

[dblack]

Lawyer it up all you like. Ignorant fascists have taken over and they're running our republic off a cliff.

 

[Wyatt earp]

It's because the Constitution doesn't say it applies only to citizens. It applies to everyone in the USA.

That is, the lefties actually follow the Constitution, and the righties don't.

And, looking at this thread, the righties here are all very proud of not following the Constitution.

LMFAO. It doesn't work that way...how could someone be protected if they did their job and keep the illegals out?