Why Gun Control is Bullshit

In the USA there are 2 million people each year who successfully protect themselves from criminals.

Take away all guns from the law abiding citizens and you create 2 million new victims each year.

Does that sound like a good policy to anyone?
 
in the usa there are 2 million people each year who successfully protect themselves from criminals.

Take away all guns from the law abiding citizens and you create 2 million new victims each year.

Does that sound like a good policy to anyone?

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The extremism on both sides of the issue is pointless.

Gun control is not ‘BS.’

Many regulatory policies are perfectly appropriate, such as background checks, prohibiting the mentally ill and felons from possessing firearms, and “forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings.” See: DC v. Heller (2008).
Thisi is a lie, as Heller says no such thing regarding background checks.
There is no ‘lie,’
You know that Heller does not address background checks and so you know that Heller did not hold that background checks are constitutional.
Thus, your lie.
 
Thisi is a lie, as Heller says no such thing regarding background checks.
There is no ‘lie,’
You know that Heller does not address background checks and so you know that Heller did not hold that background checks are constitutional.
Thus, your lie.

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA et al. v. HELLER

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
 
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My uncle is alive because he was armed. No amount of screaming horseshit to the heavens will change that simple fact.

Yeah that's the story you keep telling...

but again, since we have no way of verifying that this actually happened, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

I'll go with the numbers collected.

11,101 Homicides
19,000 Suicides
850 accidents.

201 cases where a bad guy was killed in what was rulled self defence.

In short, for every case of a lethal force being used defensive, you have 160 where it was used maliciously.
 
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My uncle is alive because he was armed. No amount of screaming horseshit to the heavens will change that simple fact.

Yeah that's the story you keep telling...

but again, since we have no way of verifying that this actually happened, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

I'll go with the numbers collected.

11,101 Homicides
19,000 Suicides
850 accidents.

201 cases where a bad guy was killed in what was rulled self defence.

In short, for every case of a lethal force being used defensive, you have 160 where it was used maliciously.

Build prisons and enforce laws on the books now. Until then, smoke and mirrors.

-Geaux
 
Yeah, trained and screened guys like Chris Dorner, Nadal Hassan, and Laurence Powell? Dude, you're dumb as a box of rocks and crazier than a shithouse rat.

Again, more crazy civilians going off shooting people than crazy cops/soldiers.

And they don't have a good reason to have them to start with.

Who needs a reason?

-Geaux

If society is going to let you have the ability to inflict lethal injury, you should have a good reason.

The two reasons you fetishists give are

1) You need to defend yourself from the scary criminals (never actually happens)

and

2) You might need to overthrow the government (who will always have better guns than you'll have.)

Again, other countries have figured this out, and limit who can have guns. They are just as free as we are and have less crime.
 
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My uncle is alive because he was armed. No amount of screaming horseshit to the heavens will change that simple fact.

Yeah that's the story you keep telling...

but again, since we have no way of verifying that this actually happened, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

I'll go with the numbers collected.

11,101 Homicides
19,000 Suicides
850 accidents.

201 cases where a bad guy was killed in what was rulled self defence.

In short, for every case of a lethal force being used defensive, you have 160 where it was used maliciously.

Build prisons and enforce laws on the books now. Until then, smoke and mirrors.

-Geaux

Dumb Fuck. We lock up 2 million people. More than any country in the world. We aren't any safer.
 
Yeah that's the story you keep telling...

but again, since we have no way of verifying that this actually happened, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

I'll go with the numbers collected.

11,101 Homicides
19,000 Suicides
850 accidents.

201 cases where a bad guy was killed in what was rulled self defence.

In short, for every case of a lethal force being used defensive, you have 160 where it was used maliciously.

Build prisons and enforce laws on the books now. Until then, smoke and mirrors.

-Geaux

Dumb Fuck. We lock up 2 million people. More than any country in the world. We aren't any safer.

Need to lock up more and for longer. Enforce the laws on the books now to stop gun crimes. Why? Evidently, DC is not serious about crime.

-Geaux
 
Build prisons and enforce laws on the books now. Until then, smoke and mirrors.

-Geaux

Dumb Fuck. We lock up 2 million people. More than any country in the world. We aren't any safer.

Need to lock up more and for longer. Enforce the laws on the books now to stop gun crimes. Why? Evidently, DC is not serious about crime.

-Geaux

No, we don't. In fact, the Prison-Industrial Complex is the large part of the problem. We create a permanent, unemployable prison class.

Most states are letting crimnals go now because they simply can't afford to keep that many locked up anymore.
 
Dumb Fuck. We lock up 2 million people. More than any country in the world. We aren't any safer.

Need to lock up more and for longer. Enforce the laws on the books now to stop gun crimes. Why? Evidently, DC is not serious about crime.

-Geaux

No, we don't. In fact, the Prison-Industrial Complex is the large part of the problem. We create a permanent, unemployable prison class.

Most states are letting crimnals go now because they simply can't afford to keep that many locked up anymore.

I agree with the latter. We need to fix that. I have no sympathy once you enter the pearly gates of the big house. Lock em up. Commit a crime with a gun and let the chips fall where they may.

Calendars are cheap

-Geaux
 
Need to lock up more and for longer. Enforce the laws on the books now to stop gun crimes. Why? Evidently, DC is not serious about crime.

-Geaux

No, we don't. In fact, the Prison-Industrial Complex is the large part of the problem. We create a permanent, unemployable prison class.

Most states are letting crimnals go now because they simply can't afford to keep that many locked up anymore.

I agree with the latter. We need to fix that. I have no sympathy once you enter the pearly gates of the big house. Lock em up. Commit a crime with a gun and let the chips fall where they may.

Calendars are cheap

-Geaux

It costs $29,000 a year to lock up a prisoner. If we were to lock up all 7 million people on parole or probation, it would cost 261 BILLION to lock them all up.

Just ain't going to happen. We don't have that kind of money.
 
No, we don't. In fact, the Prison-Industrial Complex is the large part of the problem. We create a permanent, unemployable prison class.

Most states are letting crimnals go now because they simply can't afford to keep that many locked up anymore.

I agree with the latter. We need to fix that. I have no sympathy once you enter the pearly gates of the big house. Lock em up. Commit a crime with a gun and let the chips fall where they may.

Calendars are cheap

-Geaux

It costs $29,000 a year to lock up a prisoner. If we were to lock up all 7 million people on parole or probation, it would cost 261 BILLION to lock them all up.

Just ain't going to happen. We don't have that kind of money.

You get it right the first time. Not after repeat offenses (parole) with a firearm. We need to make the consequences high for the criminal, not the law abiding citizen.

-Geaux
 
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You get it right the first time. Not after repeat offenses (parole) with a firearm. We need to make the consequences high for the criminal, not the law abiding citizen.

-Geaux

Most gun deaths are suicides, accidents, and dumb yokels arguing over who drank the last can of Milwaukee's Best.

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The criminals aren't really the problem. We are.
 
There is no ‘lie,’
You know that Heller does not address background checks and so you know that Heller did not hold that background checks are constitutional.
Thus, your lie.

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA et al. v. HELLER

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
Heller neither addresses not considers background checks and so to argue that Heller held that background checks are constitutional is either abject ignorance or outright dishonesty.
Which term would best describe you?
 
You know that Heller does not address background checks and so you know that Heller did not hold that background checks are constitutional.
Thus, your lie.

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA et al. v. HELLER

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
Heller neither addresses not considers background checks and so to argue that Heller held that background checks are constitutional is either abject ignorance or outright dishonesty.
Which term would best describe you?

Answer this question: If Heller supports "prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill"...HOW does a society and sellers of firearms determine WHO is a felon and who is mentally ill?
 
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA et al. v. HELLER

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
Heller neither addresses not considers background checks and so to argue that Heller held that background checks are constitutional is either abject ignorance or outright dishonesty.
Which term would best describe you?
Answer this question:
I asked you a question first. Please answer it.
 
One can only conclude that gun control zealots are little more than confused hoplophobes lacking the mental capacity to differentiate between law abiding citizens and criminals.

For any of them to feel in any sense or on any level competent to dispute the findings of those brave men who pioneered the very nation that they are so freely allowed to spew their ignorance in, due to the wisdom of those great men, and assert that they know better, is beyond absurd, beyond ignorant and borderline insane.

In fact, that's what most of these people probably are.

As long as we have elements in society that are this confused or willfully ignorant, our society will continue to decay under their influence. When a body is suffering the attack of a cancer, removal is the best option.

Fortunately millions of Americans have exercised their 2nd rights and millions more will tomorrow.

May I suggest you find humor in their rantings and realize their kind not worthy of your energy or consideration. They are victim wannabes and in areas where they manage to carve out gun free zones will likely succumb in those same gun free zones to the very violence they foolishly believed they were preventing. Maybe it is after all best to encourage their swift journey.
 
The second amendment is very clear on what it says. The problem is it sates two different things. It says that the right to bear arms shall NOT be infringed but it also says that we have the right to keep a militia trained and ready to fight being necessary to the free state. (Not exact words). So both conservatives and liberals are picking out the parts that argue their side which doesn't get us anywhere.

The "picking out" part is true. What is also true is a comparison of other nations to our problem...obviously they are doing something right and we are doing something wrong.

Those factual statistics are not open to interpretation.
 
You know that Heller does not address background checks and so you know that Heller did not hold that background checks are constitutional.
Thus, your lie.

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA et al. v. HELLER

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
Heller neither addresses not considers background checks and so to argue that Heller held that background checks are constitutional is either abject ignorance or outright dishonesty.
Which term would best describe you?

A determination cannot be made that one may not own a firearm due to a felony conviction or mental illness absent a background check; it’s therefore perfectly reasonable to infer that if longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill remain Constitutional in the context of Heller, so too are the background checks necessary to indeed make those determinations, Constitutional.

And until such time as a Federal court rules otherwise, background checks are currently and remain Constitutional.
 

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