Why has "COMPROMISE" become a dirty word to Republican Conservatives?

[Dad2three]

I'll alert that Founders of this nation, who compromised on so many things, that they were wrong...

Don't worry, I'm certain that the pain if an Eternity in Hell has already brought that fact very clearly into their minds.

The Founders are in Hell? Do tell...

That is how they feel about the founders....These assholes really believe we shouldn't have a government and we should be ruled by global corporations.

What a bunch of fucking assholes....Our founders in most cases got things done by compromise as some wanted a much more powerful government and some didn't.

That is how real life is done...Not loserterians that hate government and hate America think it should be done.

OUR founders KILLED the people who expected or demanded compromise idiot. Just ask the Brits.

The fourth U.S. president, James Madison believed in a robust yet balanced federal government and is known as the "Father of the Constitution."

http://www.biography.com/people/james-madison-9394965




James Madison and the Federal Veto; The Virginia Plan



...Two of the Plan's fifteen resolutions contained provisions relating to a proposed central government veto on state legislation. The sixth resolution asserted that the proposed "National Legislature" should have the power "to negative all laws passed by the several States, contravening in the opinion of the National Legislature the articles of Union":

6. Resolved that each branch ought to possess the right of originating Acts; that the National Legislature ought to be impowered to enjoy the Legislative Rights vested in Congress by the Confederation & moreover to legislate in all cases to which the separate States are incompetent, or in which the harmony of the United States may be interrupted by the exercise of individual Legislation; to negative all laws passed by the several States, contravening in the opinion of the National Legislature the articles of Union; and to call forth the force of the Union agst. any member of the Union failing to fulfill its duty under the articles thereo.
The eighth resolution added more detail, calling for a national "council of Revision" that would review both legislative vetoes of state laws and all acts passed by the "National Legislature":

8. Resd. that the Executive and a convenient number of the National Judiciary, ought to compose a Council of revision with authority to examine every act of the National Legislature before it shall operate, & every act of a particular [i.e., State] Legislature before a Negative thereon shall be final; and that the dissent of the said Council shall amount to a rejection, unless the Act of the National Legislature be again passed, or that of a particular Legislature be again negatived by ----- of the members of each branch.

The veto provision of the sixth resolution was initially discussed on Monday June 1, 1787 and passed its first test:

The other clauses giving powers necessary to preserve harmony among the States to negative all State laws contravening in the opinion of the Nat. Leg. the articles of union, down to the last clause, (the words "or any treaties subsisting under the authority of the Union," being added after the words "contravening &c. the articles of the Union," on motion of Dr. FRANKLIN) were agreed to witht. debate or dissent.


Careful readers will note that the version of the veto contained in the Virginia Plan differed somewhat from that urged by Madison in his pre-Convention letters.


In those letters, Madison had argued that the national legislature should have the power to veto state legislation "in all cases whatsoever"; the Plan limited the veto to those state laws "contravening in the opinion of the National Legislature the articles of the Union."


MORON

 

[Dad2three]

Oh, you mean when they actually worked together to get stuff done for the American people? Yep, looks like those days are gone. I used to vote more Republican than Democrat - until the GOP got hijacked by religious and Tea Party lunatics. BTW, what have Republicans "capitulated" over?

You mean the work together to implement the Democrat agenda, don't you? That isn't "for the American people." That agenda screws the American people.

You, vote Republican?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

You're joking, right?

Boner and Mitchell gave Obama everything he demanded. They funded Obamacare and his illegal amnesty program. They also voted away their treaty authority s Obama could sell us out to the Iranians, and they gave him fast track authority.

The list of issues the Republicans capitulated on is quite lengthy.

Yes, funding Obamacare for millions of Americans was pure evil.

Yes it is. Furthermore, you ask what Republicans capitulated on.

Are you confusing capitulation with compromise?

When Dims say "compromise" they really mean capitulate. You're the one confusing the meanings.

If you think it was a "compromise," then what did the Republicans get?

Almost no one is noting the extraordinary influence Republicans had on the healthcare reform bill crafted by the Senate, as it made its way through the committee process last year. The bill approved by Sen. Christopher Dodd’s Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee, for instance, included 161 amendments authored by Republicans. Only 49 Republican amendments were rejected out of 210 considered. Yet the bill got zero Republican votes when it passed out of the committee.

You’ll all remember the Senate Finance Committee process, chaired by Montana Sen. Max Baucus. Baucus and President Obama empowered a bipartisan “Gang of Six” from the committee, three Democrats and three Republicans, and they spent the summer locked in negotiations that, again, never produced one Republican vote for the bill in committee. The Finance Committee ultimately scuttled the public option in its version of the bill, looking for GOP (and conservative Democratic) support.

The Washington Post’s Ezra Klein has noted that the final Democratic proposals have contained multiple GOP planks. To mention just a few:

• Allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do
• Give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower healthcare costs
• End junk lawsuits
• Let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines

Maybe most disturbing to liberal Democrats, the White House didn’t include the public option in the outline of the strong healthcare reform compromise the president wants to see.

http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/hcr_amendments/




Republicans Turn Against Their Own Health Reform Proposals


Ten GOP Ideas in the Affordable Care Act

Republicans Turn Against Their Own Health Reform Proposals

 

[Dad2three]

I see. And who is worthy of slavery these days?

The poor. The lazy. Those who cannot support themselves or who take monies from the Government. Any non-citizen found inside our borders and any citizen found associating with non-citizens.

And why no vote for women, aren't they equal to men?

Women were created FROM Men to be the companions and helpers of Men. Not to be their equals.

"Women were created FROM Men to be the companions and helpers of Men. Not to be their equals."

 

[Anathema]

Don't quote Liberal Democrats to be. Their opinions have no value in my world.

 

[Dad2three]

Don't quote Liberal Democrats to be. Their opinions have no value in my world.

Let me guess, you though Sen McCarthy was to liberal right? lol

 

[Anathema]

Let me guess, you though Sen McCarthy was to liberal right? lol

He was definitely much closer to a Conservative than Mr. Reagan.

 

[Dad2three]

Let me guess, you though Sen McCarthy was to liberal right? lol

He was definitely much closer to a Conservative than Mr. Reagan.

Oh you mean CONservatives who are batshit crazy....

 

[my2¢]

I blame Bush. Specifically the TARP program.

Yes, I hear that Bush was the cause of Custer's massacre at the Little Big Horn.

I don't see Republicans compromising with Democrats as the problem. Rather it has been Republicans lack of compromise with Republicans that has us killing ourselves. We got presidential candidates unaccountable to anybody leading in the GOP polls and we don't support our leaders in congress. This party has better get its act together or else it'll be another 5 years down the road of socialism. The TARP program, especially lame duck GW's use of it to loan money to auto companies against the will of the party is what set off the Tea Party and its subsequent bastardization by the Koch brothers.

 

[The Rabbi]

Has anyone ever heard a Democrat make such statements? Anarchy is not what the founding fathers intended. Compromise is how a democracy is able to function. Compromise is how our Constitution was written and ratified. What the far right now calls RINOs is what the Republican Party used to be. Radical extremist obstructionism is no way to govern.

Definition of COMPROMISE

a : settlement of differences by arbitration or by consent reached by mutual concessions

b : something intermediate between or blending qualities of two different things

compromise | a way of reaching agreement in which each person or group gives up something that was wanted in order to end an argument or dispute

consensus | a general agreement about something : an idea or opinion that is shared by all the people in a group

You dont compromise with evil. You destroy it. And Dems are epitome of evil.

 

[Donald Polish]

You can't find a compromise unless you know about the Black Lion.

 

[Lakhota]

Has anyone ever heard a Democrat make such statements? Anarchy is not what the founding fathers intended. Compromise is how a democracy is able to function. Compromise is how our Constitution was written and ratified. What the far right now calls RINOs is what the Republican Party used to be. Radical extremist obstructionism is no way to govern.

Definition of COMPROMISE

a : settlement of differences by arbitration or by consent reached by mutual concessions

b : something intermediate between or blending qualities of two different things

compromise | a way of reaching agreement in which each person or group gives up something that was wanted in order to end an argument or dispute

consensus | a general agreement about something : an idea or opinion that is shared by all the people in a group

You dont compromise with evil. You destroy it. And Dems are epitome of evil.

Gee, who says "Dems are epitome of evil"...?

 

[Dad2three]

I blame Bush. Specifically the TARP program.

Yes, I hear that Bush was the cause of Custer's massacre at the Little Big Horn.

I don't see Republicans compromising with Democrats as the problem. Rather it has been Republicans lack of compromise with Republicans that has us killing ourselves. We got presidential candidates unaccountable to anybody leading in the GOP polls and we don't support our leaders in congress. This party has better get its act together or else it'll be another 5 years down the road of socialism. The TARP program, especially lame duck GW's use of it to loan money to auto companies against the will of the party is what set off the Tea Party and its subsequent bastardization by the Koch brothers.

BETTER TO HAVE ANOTHER GOP GREAT DEPRESSION?? LOL


Were the bailouts worth it?



Four years after the US government bailed out banks and carmakers, the economy remains fragile. Unemployment is persistently high (if falling slowly), the stock market is underperforming, and growth is sluggish.

So were the bailouts worth the expense? Absolutely, according to most of America’s top academic economists, surveyed in the latest Initiative on Global Markets Economic Experts Panel, which polls several dozen economists weekly to get their views on public policy.

On the banks, 59% said the benefits of the bailouts will exceed the costs, but the percentage rose to 68% when responses were weighted by each expert’s confidence in his or her answer. Only 13% of the economists disagreed, while the balance said they were uncertain.

On the auto bailout, 71% of the economists polled said they prevented the unemployment rate from rising higher than it did at the end of 2010. Similarly, 78% of the economists surveyed in an IGM poll last March said banking bailouts prevented an even higher unemployment rate.


Were the bailouts worth it?




Blinder and Zandi: Policies "probably averted what could have been called Great Depression 2.0." In July, former Federal Reserve vice chairman Alan Blinder and Moody's Analytics chief economist Mark Zandi issued a report citing analytic models to demonstrate that the "multifaceted and bipartisan" response to the financial crisis, including the Troubled Asset Relief Program and the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act - both of which passed the Senate under Reid's leadership -- had a "huge" effect on real GDP, jobs, and inflation, and "probably averted what could have been called Great Depression 2.0":


AEI's Malkin: Policy response "averted" global depression. From a January outlook report by the American Enterprise Institute's John H. Malkin:

We can expect 2010 to be a volatile year. This likelihood is underscored by looking back at 2008 and 2009. Two thousand eight was a highly volatile year leading up to the collapse of Lehman Brothers in September, which was followed by the risk of a total systemic meltdown. That sharp and obvious risk spike prompted massive policy responses that were simply the largest that central banks, with rate cuts and liquidity provision, and governments, with tax cuts and spending increases, could manage. The result -- beginning in March 2009 -- was a linear rise in the prices of risky assets, the result of massive relief once the slip into a global depression had been averted and the acute phase of the crisis in the financial sector had passed.


http://mediamatters.org/research/2010/10/22/economists-agree-legislation-reid-led-to-passag/172348

Economists overwhelmingly believe the bank bailout helped ordinary Americans

Economists overwhelmingly believe the bank bailout helped ordinary Americans


The Secret Consensus Among Economists



Let’s start with Obama’s stimulus. The standard Republican talking point is that it failed, meaning it didn’t reduce unemployment. Yet in a survey of leading economists conducted by the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business, 92 percent agreed that the stimulus succeeded in reducing the jobless rate. On the harder question of whether the benefit exceeded the cost, more than half thought it did, one in three was uncertain, and fewer than one in six disagreed.

Or consider the widely despised bank bailouts. Populist politicians on both sides have taken to pounding the table against them (in many cases, only after voting for them). But while the public may not like them, there’s a striking consensus that they helped: The same survey found no economists willing to dispute the idea that the bailouts lowered unemployment…

How about the oft-cited Republican claim that tax cuts will boost the economy so much that they will pay for themselves? It’s an idea born as a sketch on a restaurant napkin by conservative economist Art Laffer. Perhaps when the top tax rate was 91 percent, the idea was plausible. Today, it’s a fantasy. The Booth poll couldn’t find a single economist who believed that cutting taxes today will lead to higher government revenue — even if we lower only the top tax rate.

The point here isn’t that the panel of economists have all the answers.

Rather, they agree on the best reading of murky evidence. The folks running the survey understand this uncertainty, and have asked the economists to rate their confidence in their answers on a scale of 1 to 10. Strikingly, the consensus looks even stronger when the responses are weighted according to confidence.


Freakonomics » The Secret Consensus Among Economists

 

[amrchaos]

Has anyone ever heard a Democrat make such statements? Anarchy is not what the founding fathers intended. Compromise is how a democracy is able to function. Compromise is how our Constitution was written and ratified. What the far right now calls RINOs is what the Republican Party used to be. Radical extremist obstructionism is no way to govern.

Definition of COMPROMISE

a : settlement of differences by arbitration or by consent reached by mutual concessions

b : something intermediate between or blending qualities of two different things

compromise | a way of reaching agreement in which each person or group gives up something that was wanted in order to end an argument or dispute

consensus | a general agreement about something : an idea or opinion that is shared by all the people in a group

You dont compromise with evil. You destroy it. And Dems are epitome of evil.

Gee, who says "Dems are epitome of evil"...?

Rightwing radicals say that.

The GOP stepped into something serious just to gain a pocket full of votes.

 

[The Rabbi]

Has anyone ever heard a Democrat make such statements? Anarchy is not what the founding fathers intended. Compromise is how a democracy is able to function. Compromise is how our Constitution was written and ratified. What the far right now calls RINOs is what the Republican Party used to be. Radical extremist obstructionism is no way to govern.

Definition of COMPROMISE

a : settlement of differences by arbitration or by consent reached by mutual concessions

b : something intermediate between or blending qualities of two different things

compromise | a way of reaching agreement in which each person or group gives up something that was wanted in order to end an argument or dispute

consensus | a general agreement about something : an idea or opinion that is shared by all the people in a group

You dont compromise with evil. You destroy it. And Dems are epitome of evil.

Gee, who says "Dems are epitome of evil"...?

People who understand these things. That is why you dont.

 

[Rustic]

Speaking of Bush, the worst thing of his presidency whas all the money he wasted on foreign aid, and received nothing in return... We should not be helping other countries financially, we are broke.

Hashtag why help other countries when we can't even help ourselves

 

[rightwinger]

Has anyone ever heard a Democrat make such statements? Anarchy is not what the founding fathers intended. Compromise is how a democracy is able to function. Compromise is how our Constitution was written and ratified. What the far right now calls RINOs is what the Republican Party used to be. Radical extremist obstructionism is no way to govern.

Definition of COMPROMISE

a : settlement of differences by arbitration or by consent reached by mutual concessions

b : something intermediate between or blending qualities of two different things

compromise | a way of reaching agreement in which each person or group gives up something that was wanted in order to end an argument or dispute

consensus | a general agreement about something : an idea or opinion that is shared by all the people in a group

You dont compromise with evil. You destroy it. And Dems are epitome of evil.

 

[my2¢]

BETTER TO HAVE ANOTHER GOP GREAT DEPRESSION?? LOL

Were the bailouts worth it?

The question is not whether bailouts were worth it, rather what we're discussing here the issue of compromise. Before the issue can be addressed in the sense of Republican versus Democrat, I view the situation within the Republican party itself needing to be solved. What other than GW's TARP and its spawning of the Tea Party led to the party's great divide and political ineffectiveness over these last 7 years?

 

[Dad2three]

BETTER TO HAVE ANOTHER GOP GREAT DEPRESSION?? LOL

Were the bailouts worth it?

The question is not whether bailouts were worth it, rather what we're discussing here the issue of compromise. Before the issue can be addressed in the sense of Republican versus Democrat, I view the situation within the Republican party itself needing to be solved. What other than GW's TARP and its spawning of the Tea Party led to the party's great divide and political ineffectiveness over these last 7 years?

WHY AFTER DUBYA INHERITED SURPLUSES AND A GROWING ECONOMY AND OBAMA INHERITED A STEAMING PILE OF SHIT WAS THE TEATARDERS STARTED?

 

[Dad2three]

BETTER TO HAVE ANOTHER GOP GREAT DEPRESSION?? LOL

Were the bailouts worth it?

The question is not whether bailouts were worth it, rather what we're discussing here the issue of compromise. Before the issue can be addressed in the sense of Republican versus Democrat, I view the situation within the Republican party itself needing to be solved. What other than GW's TARP and its spawning of the Tea Party led to the party's great divide and political ineffectiveness over these last 7 years?

 

[Rustic]

The federal government is overrated...
Poach Rinos.