Dad2three
Gold Member
OUR founders KILLED the people who expected or demanded compromise idiot. Just ask the Brits.The Founders are in Hell? Do tell...I'll alert that Founders of this nation, who compromised on so many things, that they were wrong...
Don't worry, I'm certain that the pain if an Eternity in Hell has already brought that fact very clearly into their minds.
That is how they feel about the founders....These assholes really believe we shouldn't have a government and we should be ruled by global corporations.
What a bunch of fucking assholes....Our founders in most cases got things done by compromise as some wanted a much more powerful government and some didn't.
That is how real life is done...Not loserterians that hate government and hate America think it should be done.
The fourth U.S. president, James Madison believed in a robust yet balanced federal government and is known as the "Father of the Constitution."
http://www.biography.com/people/james-madison-9394965
James Madison and the Federal Veto; The Virginia Plan
...Two of the Plan's fifteen resolutions contained provisions relating to a proposed central government veto on state legislation. The sixth resolution asserted that the proposed "National Legislature" should have the power "to negative all laws passed by the several States, contravening in the opinion of the National Legislature the articles of Union":
6. Resolved that each branch ought to possess the right of originating Acts; that the National Legislature ought to be impowered to enjoy the Legislative Rights vested in Congress by the Confederation & moreover to legislate in all cases to which the separate States are incompetent, or in which the harmony of the United States may be interrupted by the exercise of individual Legislation; to negative all laws passed by the several States, contravening in the opinion of the National Legislature the articles of Union; and to call forth the force of the Union agst. any member of the Union failing to fulfill its duty under the articles thereo.
The eighth resolution added more detail, calling for a national "council of Revision" that would review both legislative vetoes of state laws and all acts passed by the "National Legislature":
8. Resd. that the Executive and a convenient number of the National Judiciary, ought to compose a Council of revision with authority to examine every act of the National Legislature before it shall operate, & every act of a particular [i.e., State] Legislature before a Negative thereon shall be final; and that the dissent of the said Council shall amount to a rejection, unless the Act of the National Legislature be again passed, or that of a particular Legislature be again negatived by ----- of the members of each branch.
The veto provision of the sixth resolution was initially discussed on Monday June 1, 1787 and passed its first test:
The other clauses giving powers necessary to preserve harmony among the States to negative all State laws contravening in the opinion of the Nat. Leg. the articles of union, down to the last clause, (the words "or any treaties subsisting under the authority of the Union," being added after the words "contravening &c. the articles of the Union," on motion of Dr. FRANKLIN) were agreed to witht. debate or dissent.
Careful readers will note that the version of the veto contained in the Virginia Plan differed somewhat from that urged by Madison in his pre-Convention letters.
In those letters, Madison had argued that the national legislature should have the power to veto state legislation "in all cases whatsoever"; the Plan limited the veto to those state laws "contravening in the opinion of the National Legislature the articles of the Union."
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