Why has the right abandoned small government?

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

No....the problem is we had a choice of two people....Trump and the criminal hilary.

No, you didn't. YOU chose to limit yourself to a choice of two people.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yeah, that whole supply side economics thing never happened under Reagan. You sure are smart...

Reagan ballooned the national debt, raised taxes on Social Security, signed off on allowing the federal government to blackmail the states out of their highway funding, signed off on EMTALA, and ratcheted up the failed War on Drugs. Reagan was a social conservative who catered to the religious right, but he was most certainly not a fiscal conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

Reagan revived the economy and revived the defense of the nation, so much so that the democrats beloved USSR fell. If he had had another 8 years, Communist China would be in the shitter as well.

To claim that the supply side programs of Reagan were not fiscally conservative is simply ignorant, even if those programs were largely thwarted by Tip O'Neal and Soviet Agent Jim Wright.

If his programs were fiscally conservative the national debt wouldn't have increased 300% during his tenure. That's a fact, no matter what revisionist history you want to spin.

Programs are irrelevant if you can't implement them.

You aren't fiscally conservative if you're piling on $3 trillion worth of debt

You seem to be under the delusion that Reagan was dictator.

He wasn't. Any move Reagan made was through battle with a hostile Senate and a traitorous house. Reagan ran on "peace through strength" every bit as much as Trump ran on the wall. His primary campaign promise was to contain the Soviet threat. Expanding the military was his means for breaking the back of the Soviets, as he had said since 1972. Massive compromises were made to build our military to achieve his goal.

Remember that we had a 5th Column in the house, lead by Jim Wright that was literally establishing a Soviet base on the North American continent. Up through Mexico and sit on our Southern border was the Wright plan.

So yes, Reagan caved to the democrats, probably more than he should have. Amnesty was a major fuckup, no one believed the democrats would keep their promises - they never do.

 

[Darkwind]

It has been clear to me for years the right has abandoned small government. As someone who still believes in the teachings of Milton Friedman I find this disturbing. But after 2 years of Republican control and deficits increasing drastically it is obvious small government has been abandoned. Now they are probably slightly less big government than the democrats, but there is no doubt they are big government. Small government economists do not support tariffs or deficits. And they certainly don't support the kinds of special tax deals like Foxconn that the right now champions.

What we have now is two big government parties who support different social issues. Will a small government party emerge or will we become socialists? I'm curious if there are any other real small government people out there.

Its a good question and the main reason I did not vote for Donald Trump. His history suggested then, as it does now, a willingness to increase the size of government.

He's done a fair to passable job in reducing the number of oppressive regulations, but he has done nothing to reduce the size of government, nor how much it spends.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No....the problem is we had a choice of two people....Trump and the criminal hilary.

No, you didn't. YOU chose to limit yourself to a choice of two people.

I voted for that idiot Johnson, but he was no choice, not really,

 

[Brain357]

It has been clear to me for years the right has abandoned small government. As someone who still believes in the teachings of Milton Friedman I find this disturbing. But after 2 years of Republican control and deficits increasing drastically it is obvious small government has been abandoned. Now they are probably slightly less big government than the democrats, but there is no doubt they are big government. Small government economists do not support tariffs or deficits. And they certainly don't support the kinds of special tax deals like Foxconn that the right now champions.

What we have now is two big government parties who support different social issues. Will a small government party emerge or will we become socialists? I'm curious if there are any other real small government people out there.

You were advocating for big government last night,

Why have you abandoned small government?

BTW, who on the right is championing tax breaks for FoxConn? There are NO federal tax breaks involved, so don't start lying about Trump. Wisconsin has offered a $3 billion dollar plan of tax credits over 10 years. But let me ask you, will Wisconsin garner greater or lesser revenue from taxes after the FoxConn plant is built? The idea of not imposing confiscatory taxation on everyone clearly offends you, but it looks like a sound financial move for the state.

Foxconn breaking ground on Wisconsin plant it received $4 billion to build

Foxconn is cash payments. And Trump supports it. Whether it is federal or state, it is against small government principles.

 

[Brain357]

Conservative voters get suckered by rhetoric and platitudes and slogans and plans that never come to fruition. Look at what Trump has done to the deficit.

Simple fix: The GOP has to cut spending first, before it cuts taxes. Let it run on cutting Social Security and Medicare and Welfare and various departments and see if it gets elected. Then make the cuts. THEN cut taxes.

Let's see the party of fiscal responsibility be fiscally responsible.
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What does the FoxConn plant have to do with spending or taxes? The state of Wisconsin has offered tax deferment to offset the cost of moving the plant. With the deferment the state still will generate FAR more tax revenue than it does presently.

Cash payments. Not expected to break even for 25 years. I don't trust politicians to make these deals. Government should not pick winners and losers.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It has been clear to me for years the right has abandoned small government. As someone who still believes in the teachings of Milton Friedman I find this disturbing. But after 2 years of Republican control and deficits increasing drastically it is obvious small government has been abandoned. Now they are probably slightly less big government than the democrats, but there is no doubt they are big government. Small government economists do not support tariffs or deficits. And they certainly don't support the kinds of special tax deals like Foxconn that the right now champions.

What we have now is two big government parties who support different social issues. Will a small government party emerge or will we become socialists? I'm curious if there are any other real small government people out there.

You were advocating for big government last night,

Why have you abandoned small government?

BTW, who on the right is championing tax breaks for FoxConn? There are NO federal tax breaks involved, so don't start lying about Trump. Wisconsin has offered a $3 billion dollar plan of tax credits over 10 years. But let me ask you, will Wisconsin garner greater or lesser revenue from taxes after the FoxConn plant is built? The idea of not imposing confiscatory taxation on everyone clearly offends you, but it looks like a sound financial move for the state.

Foxconn breaking ground on Wisconsin plant it received $4 billion to build

Foxconn is cash payments. And Trump supports it. Whether it is federal or state, it is against small government principles.

Vote the people in Wisconsin out, then.

But I notice you avoided the key issue, will Wisconsin garner greater or lesser revenue from taxes after the FoxConn plant is built?

 

[Brain357]

It has been clear to me for years the right has abandoned small government. As someone who still believes in the teachings of Milton Friedman I find this disturbing. But after 2 years of Republican control and deficits increasing drastically it is obvious small government has been abandoned. Now they are probably slightly less big government than the democrats, but there is no doubt they are big government. Small government economists do not support tariffs or deficits. And they certainly don't support the kinds of special tax deals like Foxconn that the right now champions.

What we have now is two big government parties who support different social issues. Will a small government party emerge or will we become socialists? I'm curious if there are any other real small government people out there.

We haven't done any such thing....it was between Trump and the criminal, we had one option so we chose Trump. When a small government republican actually runs, we will vote for them.....simple as that.

So will a small government party emerge then? The teas party has disappeared and republicans move farther and farther away.

 

[Brain357]

Reagan ballooned the national debt, raised taxes on Social Security, signed off on allowing the federal government to blackmail the states out of their highway funding, signed off on EMTALA, and ratcheted up the failed War on Drugs. Reagan was a social conservative who catered to the religious right, but he was most certainly not a fiscal conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

Reagan revived the economy and revived the defense of the nation, so much so that the democrats beloved USSR fell. If he had had another 8 years, Communist China would be in the shitter as well.

To claim that the supply side programs of Reagan were not fiscally conservative is simply ignorant, even if those programs were largely thwarted by Tip O'Neal and Soviet Agent Jim Wright.

If his programs were fiscally conservative the national debt wouldn't have increased 300% during his tenure. That's a fact, no matter what revisionist history you want to spin.

Programs are irrelevant if you can't implement them.

You aren't fiscally conservative if you're piling on $3 trillion worth of debt

No....the problem is we had a choice of two people....Trump and the criminal hilary. I will vote for the candidate who will damage the country the least.....and hope that a really good candidate will one day show up. Allowing the worst of the candidates to win is the worse thing you can do...fight in the primaries to get the small government candidate, then vote to keep the damage to a minimum in the general if the small government guy doesn't make it through to the general election...... I haven't changed, the options just weren't great.

Kasich would have been much better than Trump as a small government candidate. Yet repubs selected trump.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Conservative voters get suckered by rhetoric and platitudes and slogans and plans that never come to fruition. Look at what Trump has done to the deficit.

Simple fix: The GOP has to cut spending first, before it cuts taxes. Let it run on cutting Social Security and Medicare and Welfare and various departments and see if it gets elected. Then make the cuts. THEN cut taxes.

Let's see the party of fiscal responsibility be fiscally responsible.
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The problem is they've tried and failed. Sp we have to cut the edges and I think Trump is working on that. Cutting departmenta by 10% is a good start, eventually we will have to deal with entitlements, the sooner the better

Has the 10% thing started or was that just a photo-Op that will never come true?

No he was serious, they have to come up with the cuts. We know they can find it....it might requiring firing a few people that do nothing. But the left will Squeeeeeeal once they come out with it, but fuck them

I hope you are correct, but I have not seen a peep about it since the day he announced it.

I am a bit skeptical.

Nothing wrong with that, the govt isn't exactally a place of integrity.

Well have to see how it goes, but they've done well on regulations....

 

[Uncensored2008]

Conservative voters get suckered by rhetoric and platitudes and slogans and plans that never come to fruition. Look at what Trump has done to the deficit.

Simple fix: The GOP has to cut spending first, before it cuts taxes. Let it run on cutting Social Security and Medicare and Welfare and various departments and see if it gets elected. Then make the cuts. THEN cut taxes.

Let's see the party of fiscal responsibility be fiscally responsible.
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What does the FoxConn plant have to do with spending or taxes? The state of Wisconsin has offered tax deferment to offset the cost of moving the plant. With the deferment the state still will generate FAR more tax revenue than it does presently.

Cash payments. Not expected to break even for 25 years. I don't trust politicians to make these deals. Government should not pick winners and losers.

I cited my claims, from radical left CNN no less.

I see nothing about "cash payments."

These are tax breaks and Wisconsin will enjoy positive cash flow as a result.

 

[Brain357]

It has been clear to me for years the right has abandoned small government. As someone who still believes in the teachings of Milton Friedman I find this disturbing. But after 2 years of Republican control and deficits increasing drastically it is obvious small government has been abandoned. Now they are probably slightly less big government than the democrats, but there is no doubt they are big government. Small government economists do not support tariffs or deficits. And they certainly don't support the kinds of special tax deals like Foxconn that the right now champions.

What we have now is two big government parties who support different social issues. Will a small government party emerge or will we become socialists? I'm curious if there are any other real small government people out there.

You were advocating for big government last night,

Why have you abandoned small government?

BTW, who on the right is championing tax breaks for FoxConn? There are NO federal tax breaks involved, so don't start lying about Trump. Wisconsin has offered a $3 billion dollar plan of tax credits over 10 years. But let me ask you, will Wisconsin garner greater or lesser revenue from taxes after the FoxConn plant is built? The idea of not imposing confiscatory taxation on everyone clearly offends you, but it looks like a sound financial move for the state.

Foxconn breaking ground on Wisconsin plant it received $4 billion to build

Foxconn is cash payments. And Trump supports it. Whether it is federal or state, it is against small government principles.

Vote the people in Wisconsin out, then.

But I notice you avoided the key issue, will Wisconsin garner greater or lesser revenue from taxes after the FoxConn plant is built?

Walker was sent packing. These deals rarely workout well for the tax payer. There are many examples of tax dollars wasted.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Reagan revived the economy and revived the defense of the nation, so much so that the democrats beloved USSR fell. If he had had another 8 years, Communist China would be in the shitter as well.

To claim that the supply side programs of Reagan were not fiscally conservative is simply ignorant, even if those programs were largely thwarted by Tip O'Neal and Soviet Agent Jim Wright.

If his programs were fiscally conservative the national debt wouldn't have increased 300% during his tenure. That's a fact, no matter what revisionist history you want to spin.

Programs are irrelevant if you can't implement them.

You aren't fiscally conservative if you're piling on $3 trillion worth of debt

No....the problem is we had a choice of two people....Trump and the criminal hilary. I will vote for the candidate who will damage the country the least.....and hope that a really good candidate will one day show up. Allowing the worst of the candidates to win is the worse thing you can do...fight in the primaries to get the small government candidate, then vote to keep the damage to a minimum in the general if the small government guy doesn't make it through to the general election...... I haven't changed, the options just weren't great.

Kasich would have been much better than Trump as a small government candidate. Yet repubs selected trump.

Not even pretending to be anything but a lefty anymore...

 

[buckeye45_73]

Conservative voters get suckered by rhetoric and platitudes and slogans and plans that never come to fruition. Look at what Trump has done to the deficit.

Simple fix: The GOP has to cut spending first, before it cuts taxes. Let it run on cutting Social Security and Medicare and Welfare and various departments and see if it gets elected. Then make the cuts. THEN cut taxes.

Let's see the party of fiscal responsibility be fiscally responsible.
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If they tried to do that they would be GONE.

Which is why they don't do it. The fact is they don't actually care about spending. It' just something to "say"

No that was true but people are seeing what the left truly is about and it's not people.. Soon they hysterics and bullshit will no longer work.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Yeah, that whole supply side economics thing never happened under Reagan. You sure are smart...

Say, do you think the infanticide you Marxists have gone all in on will help you a lot in 2020?

New, Improve DNC Abortion, now killing born babies!

Reagan increased the size and scope of government and added a higher percent to the debt than anyone in history, nobody has come close.

I am anti-abortion, always have been.

But basing your vote on that issue has not really worked in lessening the number of abortions in this country.

Very true, but it has stopped some, and one person is worth it. Trump is really ratcheting it up for us pro lifers....this was a bonus I didnt not count on.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Walker was sent packing. These deals rarely workout well for the tax payer. There are many examples of tax dollars wasted.

So the democrats ended the deal then?

Oh wait, all they did was increase cash flow to the public employee unions....

Again, nothing speaks of cash payments, and the question still hangs in the air; will Wisconsin garner greater or lesser revenue from taxes after the FoxConn plant is built?

 

[bripat9643]

I donate to their primary opponents. Who should I vote for, Hillary? That idiot Johnson who isn't a libertarian and had no chance of winning?

One of my bigger regrets is voting for that doped out moron. I just didn't trust Trump at the time.

Johnson only shows how low the Libertarian Party has fallen. He's a big government liberal who smokes dope.

 

[buckeye45_73]

It has been clear to me for years the right has abandoned small government. As someone who still believes in the teachings of Milton Friedman I find this disturbing. But after 2 years of Republican control and deficits increasing drastically it is obvious small government has been abandoned. Now they are probably slightly less big government than the democrats, but there is no doubt they are big government. Small government economists do not support tariffs or deficits. And they certainly don't support the kinds of special tax deals like Foxconn that the right now champions.

What we have now is two big government parties who support different social issues. Will a small government party emerge or will we become socialists? I'm curious if there are any other real small government people out there.

We haven't done any such thing....it was between Trump and the criminal, we had one option so we chose Trump. When a small government republican actually runs, we will vote for them.....simple as that.

So will a small government party emerge then? The teas party has disappeared and republicans move farther and farther away.

The problem is were not at the point it wins. And that's because of fake news and disinformation from the media. The good news is Trump has exposed how awful these people are and howntheybdont care about regular people. Just a little more time and well be set

 

[Brain357]

Conservative voters get suckered by rhetoric and platitudes and slogans and plans that never come to fruition. Look at what Trump has done to the deficit.

Simple fix: The GOP has to cut spending first, before it cuts taxes. Let it run on cutting Social Security and Medicare and Welfare and various departments and see if it gets elected. Then make the cuts. THEN cut taxes.

Let's see the party of fiscal responsibility be fiscally responsible.
.

What does the FoxConn plant have to do with spending or taxes? The state of Wisconsin has offered tax deferment to offset the cost of moving the plant. With the deferment the state still will generate FAR more tax revenue than it does presently.

Cash payments. Not expected to break even for 25 years. I don't trust politicians to make these deals. Government should not pick winners and losers.

I cited my claims, from radical left CNN no less.

I see nothing about "cash payments."

These are tax breaks and Wisconsin will enjoy positive cash flow as a result.

Wisconsin Senate approves $3 billion cash payment for Foxconn factory
The Wisconsin Senate approved nearly $3 billion in cash payments for Foxconn Technology Group on Tuesday.

 

[bripat9643]

Yeah, that whole supply side economics thing never happened under Reagan. You sure are smart...

Reagan ballooned the national debt, raised taxes on Social Security, signed off on allowing the federal government to blackmail the states out of their highway funding, signed off on EMTALA, and ratcheted up the failed War on Drugs. Reagan was a social conservative who catered to the religious right, but he was most certainly not a fiscal conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

Reagan revived the economy and revived the defense of the nation, so much so that the democrats beloved USSR fell. If he had had another 8 years, Communist China would be in the shitter as well.

To claim that the supply side programs of Reagan were not fiscally conservative is simply ignorant, even if those programs were largely thwarted by Tip O'Neal and Soviet Agent Jim Wright.

If his programs were fiscally conservative the national debt wouldn't have increased 300% during his tenure. That's a fact, no matter what revisionist history you want to spin.

Programs are irrelevant if you can't implement them.

You aren't fiscally conservative if you're piling on $3 trillion worth of debt

An eagerness to raise taxes doesn't make you a fiscal conservative. Democrats insist on more spending on almost every government program except defense.