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Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color, or not collecting stamps a hobby.
Atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god or gods, nothing more. If we deconstruct the term atheism we find a theism which means without theism which, in turn, means without belief in god(s). It is, therefore, not a positive belief or a claim to knowledge. Instead, it is the default position of doubt, uncertainty and skepticism one may have regarding claims made by theists.
Just as it takes no faith to lack belief or remain uncertain concerning any other imaginable claim, it takes none to doubt the existence of a god or gods.
Every human-being ever born begins life as an implicit atheist and must be taught the concept of theism or, more commonly, indoctrinated with it.
Atheism has no sacred texts, objects, places or times, no rituals or creation stories, no positive beliefs, central tenants, modes of worship or supernatural claims, no implicit or derived moral codes, philosophies or world views and no central organisation or church. It fulfills none of the criteria that define a religion. See also: Atheism is a religion.
To say that atheism requires faith is as dim-witted as saying that disbelief in pixies or leprechauns takes faith. Even if Einstein himself told me there was an elf on my shoulder, I would still ask for proof and I wouldnt be wrong to ask. Geoff Mather
Yes, I have heard this dogma before - many times. It is the standard response, rather than actually responding to the issues. Then a few quotes, as if citing someone else's unsupported opinion actually constitutes evidence. You say you have no sacred texts, but what you are doing is citing chapter and verse.
I don't care whether your belief is positive or negative. Belief is an action. If you hold a position for which you have no objective evidence, then you are believing. Saying it is not belief just because you decide you want to define it that way changes absolutely nothing.
I simply have a source where they have already replied to just about everything a theist will say. If you want to call it my bible then fine. But my bible can change and we don't claim that a god inspired us to write it. We don't get tax write offs, we don't meet once a week.
So anytime you provide a link defending your position on USMB can we assume it is scripture? All that site does is reply back to all the fatally flawed arguments theists make trying to prove to other people that their god or any god exists. I've read it 100 times. So when I see one of your fatally flawed arguments and I know that site has already responded to that bad argument, rather than waste 5 minutes typing, I just go cut and paste.
Also, you can not use the bible to prove that god exists or that jesus is god. That's a fiction book as far as I'm concerned. Notice they don't even try to prove god exists in the bible? What they do is tell you he proved it 2000 years ago and now you have to just believe the camp fire stories. Blind faith. Or burn in hell.
At least I don't tell you if you believe in god you will burn in hell because hell is for bad and stupid people. If there was a hell, I don't think it would be for people who don't believe. That's what a church says when they want you to remain a member. I think being bad is what would send you to hell. I would also assume a real god wouldn't care if you doubted man because man lies a lot. So I would think after evil, being stupid would be the next thing to send you to hell. And if you have blind faith in impossible stories, how bright can you possibly be?
YES!!! TRY TO THINK!!! This little life even if 100+ years is less than a drop oin the oceans of eternity!
No worries. You get more tries. You'll get it right eventually.
YES!!! I LIVE MY LIFE AS A BLESSED son of ALMIGHTY GOD!!!and you???????
YES!!! TRY TO THINK!!! This little life even if 100+ years is less than a drop oin the oceans of eternity!
No worries. You get more tries. You'll get it right eventually.
YES!!! I LIVE MY LIFE AS A BLESSED son of ALMIGHTY GOD!!!and you???????
dude, ...its time for you to move into the 21st Century and stop measuring religion by what happened a thousand years ago.....
Ironic coming from someone who believes men who lived 2,000 years ago somehow knew more back then than we know today.
Maybe you should move into the 21st Century and re-evalute the writings of men who lived in a time of ignorance, superstitution, and fear. Men who didn't know why it rained or why it didn't rain, why there were earthquakes, floods, locust, and volcanos, why some were born different and others got sick and died.
Easy to understand how people who lived lives that were brutish and short and at the mercy of seemly random fate would want to believe they would inherit the earth and have eternal life in heaven. The irony there is that the comfort that religion brought them did nothing to improve their lives and, in fact impeded the scientific progress that could have improved their lives. They traded this life for the promise of one to come.
Great post.
Until we understand something we do not know. Positing a god in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.
The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes.
Yes, I have heard this dogma before - many times. It is the standard response, rather than actually responding to the issues. Then a few quotes, as if citing someone else's unsupported opinion actually constitutes evidence. You say you have no sacred texts, but what you are doing is citing chapter and verse.
I don't care whether your belief is positive or negative. Belief is an action. If you hold a position for which you have no objective evidence, then you are believing. Saying it is not belief just because you decide you want to define it that way changes absolutely nothing.
I simply have a source where they have already replied to just about everything a theist will say. If you want to call it my bible then fine. But my bible can change and we don't claim that a god inspired us to write it. We don't get tax write offs, we don't meet once a week.
So anytime you provide a link defending your position on USMB can we assume it is scripture? All that site does is reply back to all the fatally flawed arguments theists make trying to prove to other people that their god or any god exists. I've read it 100 times. So when I see one of your fatally flawed arguments and I know that site has already responded to that bad argument, rather than waste 5 minutes typing, I just go cut and paste.
Also, you can not use the bible to prove that god exists or that jesus is god. That's a fiction book as far as I'm concerned. Notice they don't even try to prove god exists in the bible? What they do is tell you he proved it 2000 years ago and now you have to just believe the camp fire stories. Blind faith. Or burn in hell.
At least I don't tell you if you believe in god you will burn in hell because hell is for bad and stupid people. If there was a hell, I don't think it would be for people who don't believe. That's what a church says when they want you to remain a member. I think being bad is what would send you to hell. I would also assume a real god wouldn't care if you doubted man because man lies a lot. So I would think after evil, being stupid would be the next thing to send you to hell. And if you have blind faith in impossible stories, how bright can you possibly be?
No. You provided a source that responds to what some Christians might say. Someone used the term "agnostic atheist". That site could be described as "Christian Atheist". It's for people who want to think they are Atheists but can't seem to let go of Sunday school.
You say they are wrong but you insist that only their version is possible. And you call that rational?
We are spirits and as such we shall live eternally in one of two places. There is no avoiding it. This is the truth. We were created in the image of God. Look in your bible
Sincerely, Jeremiah
In every case that God in the Bible told anyone to kill another it was due to the behavior of the target, and not merely because they failed to believe in God.
Does that include the behavior of the infants and children too? And the animals?
The biggest single factor in people not believing in God is their ignorance about God and his track record.
Beg to differ here. In my case it was study of God and the history of the Bible that led to my certainty it was mythology.
And I know there is no such case with Christianity, though many have claimed to do just that, in Christianity violence was only allowed in cases of self defense and service to the nation.
We are spirits and as such we shall live eternally in one of two places. There is no avoiding it. This is the truth. We were created in the image of God. Look in your bible
Sincerely, Jeremiah
Didn't I say earlier that Gismys can't use what's in the bible to prove god exists because atheists believe that's a man made book full of fiction, fairy tales and lies.
So what else do you have? The book is only good for believers. Everyone else thinks the book is full of lies. Just ask the Jews or Muslims.
You do not believe because you are ignorant about the entire subject.
There is truth of some degree in all faiths or they would go into extinction.
You do not believe because you do not want to believe and don't have the courage or honesty to speak truthfully to yourself.
Easy to throw around such statements but harder to prove them. For example:
You believe because you are ignorant about the entire subject.
You believe because you want to believe and don't have the courage or honesty to speak truthfully to yourself
I simply have a source where they have already replied to just about everything a theist will say. If you want to call it my bible then fine. But my bible can change and we don't claim that a god inspired us to write it. We don't get tax write offs, we don't meet once a week.
So anytime you provide a link defending your position on USMB can we assume it is scripture? All that site does is reply back to all the fatally flawed arguments theists make trying to prove to other people that their god or any god exists. I've read it 100 times. So when I see one of your fatally flawed arguments and I know that site has already responded to that bad argument, rather than waste 5 minutes typing, I just go cut and paste.
Also, you can not use the bible to prove that god exists or that jesus is god. That's a fiction book as far as I'm concerned. Notice they don't even try to prove god exists in the bible? What they do is tell you he proved it 2000 years ago and now you have to just believe the camp fire stories. Blind faith. Or burn in hell.
At least I don't tell you if you believe in god you will burn in hell because hell is for bad and stupid people. If there was a hell, I don't think it would be for people who don't believe. That's what a church says when they want you to remain a member. I think being bad is what would send you to hell. I would also assume a real god wouldn't care if you doubted man because man lies a lot. So I would think after evil, being stupid would be the next thing to send you to hell. And if you have blind faith in impossible stories, how bright can you possibly be?
No. You provided a source that responds to what some Christians might say. Someone used the term "agnostic atheist". That site could be described as "Christian Atheist". It's for people who want to think they are Atheists but can't seem to let go of Sunday school.
You say they are wrong but you insist that only their version is possible. And you call that rational?
I don't claim only my version is possible I just claim their version is not probable and unbelievable. Boss could be completely right. His concepts could be right! I don't think they are, but they could be. He doesn't make any claims of knowing. No god ever spoke to him. But jews, muslims and christians say god talked to them and miracles were performed. Do you believe that? I don't. And I think a society that does believe the unbelievable can't be all that smart. Do you?
And I am an agnostic atheist. I don't know what's on the other side of black holes. Do you? I just see no evidence of a god.
We are spirits and as such we shall live eternally in one of two places. There is no avoiding it. This is the truth. We were created in the image of God. Look in your bible
Sincerely, Jeremiah
Didn't I say earlier that Gismys can't use what's in the bible to prove god exists because atheists believe that's a man made book full of fiction, fairy tales and lies.
So what else do you have? The book is only good for believers. Everyone else thinks the book is full of lies. Just ask the Jews or Muslims.
What does it matter? You are a mere man, Sealybobo. Who dares to judge God Almighty and His Written Word? Who dares to Judge God's elect? Have you not heard? Let God be true and every man found a liar?
Yes, it is written:
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
- Romans 3:4
That's kind of my point....it's not that easy, and it's not a free choice. You can't just choose to believe something that's contrary to your standards of knowledge.
you couldn't be more wrong......you choose your standards of knowledge......freely.......and its as easy as making up your mind.....do you get stomach cramps when you think?.....
No, you don't. As you've shown since you cannot make yourself believe in Bigfoot or change your standards of knowledge to include the weak evidence for Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster, etc.
No. You provided a source that responds to what some Christians might say. Someone used the term "agnostic atheist". That site could be described as "Christian Atheist". It's for people who want to think they are Atheists but can't seem to let go of Sunday school.
You say they are wrong but you insist that only their version is possible. And you call that rational?
I don't claim only my version is possible I just claim their version is not probable and unbelievable. Boss could be completely right. His concepts could be right! I don't think they are, but they could be. He doesn't make any claims of knowing. No god ever spoke to him. But jews, muslims and christians say god talked to them and miracles were performed. Do you believe that? I don't. And I think a society that does believe the unbelievable can't be all that smart. Do you?
And I am an agnostic atheist. I don't know what's on the other side of black holes. Do you? I just see no evidence of a god.
You see no evidence..... period. You just told someone there is no god who cares and you have no evidence.... period.
You claim their version is not probable.... based upon what evidence? You say it is unbelievable..... that clearly ignores reality. Millions of people believe it. You say a society that believes the unbelievable can't be smart. What about people who believe what is objectively untrue? That is what you are doing.
Once again, if the true definition of an Atheist is one who lacks god beliefs, then I have yet to meet a single Atheist.
IMO, there is absolutely no difference between saying "if you don't believe what I believe you are going to hell" and "if you don't believe what I believe you are stupid." Both positions show an inability to differentiate between belief and knowledge.
You do not believe because you are ignorant about the entire subject.
There is truth of some degree in all faiths or they would go into extinction.
You do not believe because you do not want to believe and don't have the courage or honesty to speak truthfully to yourself.
Easy to throw around such statements but harder to prove them. For example:
You believe because you are ignorant about the entire subject.
You believe because you want to believe and don't have the courage or honesty to speak truthfully to yourself
You just demonstrated in the prior post that you cannot read and have no knowledge of Christian doctrine on the use of violence.
For my evidence I provide your posts.
dude, ...its time for you to move into the 21st Century and stop measuring religion by what happened a thousand years ago.....
Ironic coming from someone who believes men who lived 2,000 years ago somehow knew more back then than we know today.
Maybe you should move into the 21st Century and re-evalute the writings of men who lived in a time of ignorance, superstitution, and fear. Men who didn't know why it rained or why it didn't rain, why there were earthquakes, floods, locust, and volcanos, why some were born different and others got sick and died.
Easy to understand how people who lived lives that were brutish and short and at the mercy of seemly random fate would want to believe they would inherit the earth and have eternal life in heaven. The irony there is that the comfort that religion brought them did nothing to improve their lives and, in fact impeded the scientific progress that could have improved their lives. They traded this life for the promise of one to come.
Great post.
Until we understand something we do not know. Positing a god in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.
The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes.
what an odd, (and foolish) assumption.....dude, ...its time for you to move into the 21st Century and stop measuring religion by what happened a thousand years ago.....
Ironic coming from someone who believes men who lived 2,000 years ago somehow knew more back then than we know today.
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That's very Christian of you. Thanks for reinforcing my point. Your mother must be very proud of you, with such excellent and innovative word choice.
No. You provided a source that responds to what some Christians might say. Someone used the term "agnostic atheist". That site could be described as "Christian Atheist". It's for people who want to think they are Atheists but can't seem to let go of Sunday school.
You say they are wrong but you insist that only their version is possible. And you call that rational?
I don't claim only my version is possible I just claim their version is not probable and unbelievable. Boss could be completely right. His concepts could be right! I don't think they are, but they could be. He doesn't make any claims of knowing. No god ever spoke to him. But jews, muslims and christians say god talked to them and miracles were performed. Do you believe that? I don't. And I think a society that does believe the unbelievable can't be all that smart. Do you?
And I am an agnostic atheist. I don't know what's on the other side of black holes. Do you? I just see no evidence of a god.
You see no evidence..... period. You just told someone there is no god who cares and you have no evidence.... period.
You claim their version is not probable.... based upon what evidence? You say it is unbelievable..... that clearly ignores reality. Millions of people believe it. You say a society that believes the unbelievable can't be smart. What about people who believe what is objectively untrue? That is what you are doing.
Once again, if the true definition of an Atheist is one who lacks god beliefs, then I have yet to meet a single Atheist.
IMO, there is absolutely no difference between saying "if you don't believe what I believe you are going to hell" and "if you don't believe what I believe you are stupid." Both positions show an inability to differentiate between belief and knowledge.
Ironic coming from someone who believes men who lived 2,000 years ago somehow knew more back then than we know today.
Maybe you should move into the 21st Century and re-evalute the writings of men who lived in a time of ignorance, superstitution, and fear. Men who didn't know why it rained or why it didn't rain, why there were earthquakes, floods, locust, and volcanos, why some were born different and others got sick and died.
Easy to understand how people who lived lives that were brutish and short and at the mercy of seemly random fate would want to believe they would inherit the earth and have eternal life in heaven. The irony there is that the comfort that religion brought them did nothing to improve their lives and, in fact impeded the scientific progress that could have improved their lives. They traded this life for the promise of one to come.
Great post.
Until we understand something we do not know. Positing a god in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.
The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes.
There are two types of people, those that come from a place of faith and those that come from a place of skeptacism. Most of us grow up with faith in our mothers and expand our faith from there based on what we're taught. The less fortunate search for the faith they didn't get from their childhood. Others, like me grow away from our faith and towards logic.
Not claiming any group is better or worse than any other, we're all looking for the same thing, we just get it from different places.
