Why Is Being Rich Bad?

[bripat9643]

The “belief” of the Left is that capitalism is immoral, indeed criminal, and represents exploitation of one’s fellow man. It is, in fact, the cause of such evils as war, slavery, oppression, and every variety of human misery.

You are saying it is not?

Big corporations making moves under the guise of "capitalism" to put their competitor out of business is not immoral?

Nope, so long as everything they do is legal, that isn't the slightest bit immoral. That's called "competition." It's what makes capitalism work.

Private companies making money off of prisons is not exploiting a bad situation?

Not at all. Does society need prisons? Why shouldn't the people who provide them get paid for them? No matter who provides them, someone will make money off them. Even if they are totally run by the government, private contractors will still build them and all the people who staff them will be paid healthy salaries. Do you think they shouldn't get paid?

 

[California Girl]

You are saying it is not?

Big corporations making moves under the guise of "capitalism" to put their competitor out of business is not immoral?

Private companies making money off of prisons is not exploiting a bad situation?

Capitalism is not immoral. Only some of the capitalists... and there are immoral people who are not capitalists. Only idiots don't understand that... it is the individual, not the corporation.

I thought corporations were people?

So then we need to regulation to stop these people, under the corporate umbrella.

I couldn't agree more!

You did? The SC agrees - but it is ridiculous to call a corporation amoral. Only individuals have morals, and only individuals can be amoral.

 

[California Girl]

"This disposition to admire, and almost to worship , the rich and powerful, and to despise, or, at least neglect persons of poor and mean conditions...is...the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments." Adam Smith

Reading your signature makes it difficult to take anything you ask seriously.... "President Eisenhower describes his administration's political philosophy as 'dynamic conservatism,' then as 'progressive, dynamic conservatism,' then as 'progressive moderation,' then as 'moderate progressivism,' and then as 'positive progressivism.'" William Manchester

But that said have you ever read the Bible? "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." Matthew 6:24

It used to be money was not worshiped in America, today the right kowtows to money for it buys elections and thus power. Many consider our family rich and I have never heard a single person say that being rich is bad? But I understand why you say that - it is you who don't. Paradoxical huh, think about it.

The rich get rich because of their merit.


"The materialistic and selfish quality of contemporary life is not inherent in the human condition. Much of what appears natural today dates from the 1980s: the obsession with wealth creation, the cult of privatization and the private sector, the growing disparities of rich and poor. And above all, the rhetoric which accompanies these: uncritical admiration for unfettered markets, disdain for the public sector, the delusion of endless growth." Tony Judt 'Ill Fares the Land'

James 4:2
You want something but don't get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God.

Middie isn't capable of individual thought... it just quotes other progressives. I think it might be illiterate.

 

[8537]

Who said being rich is bad?

Every left-wing turd on this forum said it.

So then perhaps you can pull up some quotes from leftwing turds on this board who said that.

I'll wait.

 

[Avorysuds]

Because it's a minority and politicians understand that racism and bigotry can be used to pit one person or one group against another. Politicians buy votes by pitting the two larger voting blocks, the poor and middle class, against the much smaller single voting block, the rich.

This also complicates things because politicians also play a card that the rich buy politicians, buy regulations and tax cuts… But no politicians wants to point at other politicians in their party. Obama is technically the most owned person in the entire world, ever… by corporations. Yet Obama is held up as the pentacle of transparence despite him being one of the most secretive Presidents in US history. Obama is also rich, yet he is leading the way on attacking those that a "have to much money."

 

[there4eyeM]

Not attacking the 'rich' can be easily understood.
Defending them so strongly is much more difficult to understand.
What is so important to the defenders that they become so passionate about it? Is it merely the dream of also becoming rich?

 

[Liberal]

Nope, so long as everything they do is legal, that isn't the slightest bit immoral. That's called "competition." It's what makes capitalism work.

Yeah, it is legal. But, it cannot account for a flawed sense of morality like yours.. Hence the reason why it needs to be regulated.

Competition? HILARIOUS! Most companies hate competition, it means lower profits, so they work to remove the competition.. Aggressive pricing methods, active smear campaigns in conflicting accounts, you name it..

Greed is rampant in unkempt capitalism.

Not at all. Does society need prisons? Why shouldn't the people who provide them get paid for them? No matter who provides them, someone will make money off them. Even if they are totally run by the government, private contractors will still build them and all the people who staff them will be paid healthy salaries. Do you think they shouldn't get paid?

I never said a prison should not exist.

Prisons should be an expense and responsibility that rests on the sole feet of the government, so as to make sure that we are only jailing the people that absolutely need to be jailed.

See, when you make putting people in a prison a profitable venture for a private company they will do what is needed to ensure their profits stay where they are and short change needed services (you know, competition and all..) to perhaps save some of these people from a future of crime. Campaign funding gets passed toward law makers that promise more laws with jail time penalties (under the guise of protecting the people, of course).

Prisons are a necessity, but making them profitable venture is not.

 

[Mr.Nick]

You are saying it is not?

Big corporations making moves under the guise of "capitalism" to put their competitor out of business is not immoral?

Private companies making money off of prisons is not exploiting a bad situation?

Capitalism is not immoral. Only some of the capitalists... and there are immoral people who are not capitalists. Only idiots don't understand that... it is the individual, not the corporation.

I thought corporations were people?

So then we need to regulation to stop these people, under the corporate umbrella.

I couldn't agree more!

Corporations are not people - they are treated as individual entities for tax purposes....

 

[Mr.Nick]

Is stupidity, ignorance and greed a prerequisite to being a progressive??

"No we're not against the rich we just want most of their money - not all of it."

 

[8537]

Capitalism is not immoral. Only some of the capitalists... and there are immoral people who are not capitalists. Only idiots don't understand that... it is the individual, not the corporation.

I thought corporations were people?

So then we need to regulation to stop these people, under the corporate umbrella.

I couldn't agree more!

Corporations are not people - they are treated as individual entities for tax purposes....

How dare you disagree with those whose boot you lick!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPQkd_AA6c]Romney: Corporations Are People, My Friend. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Liberal]

Is stupidity, ignorance and greed a prerequisite to being a progressive??

"No we're not against the rich we just want most of their money - not all of it."

No, you got it wrong.

I would gladly have them take all of it if you are a criminal, immoral asshat.

 

[squinch]

See if you can reply without reference to Romney or Obama.

Why is it bad?

Being rich isn't bad. Being greedy is bad. If you accumulate wealth by spreading poverty then you are greedy; and that is bad.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The “belief” of the Left is that capitalism is immoral, indeed criminal, and represents exploitation of one’s fellow man. It is, in fact, the cause of such evils as war, slavery, oppression, and every variety of human misery.

You are saying it is not?

Big corporations making moves under the guise of "capitalism" to put their competitor out of business is not immoral?

Private companies making money off of prisons is not exploiting a bad situation?

Welcome to the board, you ignorant dolt. You've come to the right place for re-education.

Of course it is not evil.
It is consistent with human nature, a fact of which the Left is ignorant.

1. "Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong! Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."

From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.
Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006
https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2007&month=05


2. The variety of capitalism wherein "Big corporations making moves under the guise of "capitalism" to put their competitor out of business is not immoral" is more correctly known as corporatism.

It was implemented in the fascist programs of the National Socialists in Germany, the Fascists in Italy, and the New Dealers in the United States.

a. One of those urban myths is that the Left battles big business on behalf of the ‘little guy’….those greedy ‘robber barons!’ Of course, as is true of so many ‘truths’….it is false.
The actuality is that big business knows that the greatest threat is not government or its regulation, but competition with smaller, more innovative firms. So, when the opportunity arises to cooperate with government in crafting new regulation, big business lobbyists, rather than opposing ‘reform,’ they write the laws for their own advantages!

b. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"

c. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

 

[Mr.Nick]

Is stupidity, ignorance and greed a prerequisite to being a progressive??

"No we're not against the rich we just want most of their money - not all of it."

No, you got it wrong.

I would gladly have them take all of it if you are a criminal, immoral asshat.

You do realize you are in absolutely ZERO position to claim someone is an immoral asshat just because they have money??

You progressives believe your opinion on issues or individuals is the end all -- that is why we have a constitution - because your fucking opinions and assessments mean dick...

Understand that asshat??

 

[Mr.Nick]

I thought corporations were people?

So then we need to regulation to stop these people, under the corporate umbrella.

I couldn't agree more!

Corporations are not people - they are treated as individual entities for tax purposes....

How dare you disagree with those whose boot you lick!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPQkd_AA6c]Romney: Corporations Are People, My Friend. - YouTube[/ame]

I'm not a republican I'm a libertarian that is extremely anti-progressive...

I view you fucks as tyrants and a disgrace to a country that one time stood for liberty and individualism...

If you think for a fucking second I want to vote for Romney you're wrong - but I have to in order to get stupid shit out the White House....

Also, it boggles my mind how you progressive fools don't see how stealing is wrong - it appears you only care about yourselves and what you can get for free via government via the taxpayers....

It's quite clear and has always been clear that you progressives want something for nothing....

 

[8537]

I'm not a republican I'm a libertarian that is extremely anti-progressive...

Uh huh. We believe that. No really, we do!

I view you fucks as tyrants and a disgrace to a country that one time stood for liberty and individualism...

Trust me, the feeling's mutual.

If you think for a fucking second I want to vote for Romney you're wrong - but I have to in order to get stupid shit out the White House....[/QUOTE]

Oh right. I see. You don't support him. You just lick the sole of his boots at every opportunity.

How convenient.

Also, it boggles my mind how you progressive fools don't see how stealing is wrong - it appears you only care about yourselves and what you can get for free via government via the taxpayers....

I paid more in taxes than you earned last year, punk. And I didn't consider my taxes theft. It's the cost of living in a civilized society. And unlike the clammy rightwing fucks near me, I don't lay any claim to have worked harder and earned my money strictly by my own bootstraps.

 

[auditor0007]

See if you can reply without reference to Romney or Obama.

Why is it bad?

It's bad because progressives loathe and covet those who have more than they do...

It's "no fair" to them...

This is the problem with cons; you just don't get it. Progressives, Liberals, Moderates, all of us to the left of the far right do not have a problem with rich people. In fact, most of us think it's great when someone works hard to build a business that thrives and makes a lot of money for them. What we don't care for is when those same people do everything in their power to keep as much as they can at the expense of everyone else and society at large, because it isn't good for anyone. This is what has happened over the last twenty to thirty years and is the main reason our standard of living is in decline.

 

[Mr.Nick]

See if you can reply without reference to Romney or Obama.

Why is it bad?

It's bad because progressives loathe and covet those who have more than they do...

It's "no fair" to them...

This is the problem with cons; you just don't get it. Progressives, Liberals, Moderates, all of us to the left of the far right do not have a problem with rich people. In fact, most of us think it's great when someone works hard to build a business that thrives and makes a lot of money for them. What we don't care for is when those same people do everything in their power to keep as much as they can at the expense of everyone else and society at large, because it isn't good for anyone. This is what has happened over the last twenty to thirty years and is the main reason our standard of living is in decline.

You're not "left" - I'm left you're a fucking fascist...

Those of us in the real left support smaller government - you fascist fucks support big government....

You may believe you're "left" but you're only a few progressive steps away from being Nazi's...

Since when do those on the real left abduct people from their homes for having anti-government political views??

Now go fuck off....

You don't know what the fuck a real liberal is....

 

[Mr.Nick]

I'm not a republican I'm a libertarian that is extremely anti-progressive...

Uh huh. We believe that. No really, we do!

Go back to reading your little red book Mao....

Also learn how to wrap - you're making a fucking mess..

 

[there4eyeM]

Not attacking the 'rich' can be easily understood.
Defending them so strongly is much more difficult to understand.
What is so important to the defenders that they become so passionate about it? Is it merely the dream of also becoming rich?

I still really would like to know! What's in it for you?