Why is Building the Wall Wrong?

[Wyatt earp]

Why do you love exploiting the brown man?

Why do you love saying stupid shit and making bullshit claims?

Oh...never mind. I already know.

You're a Trumper

So in your world it's not true?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There just isn't enough technology to stop them in an open border country like ours. Step one is to build the wall; all our border patrols say that would be a huge help. Then concentrate on keeping illegals out.

Have you noticed how all the douchebags who oppose the wall also support granting amnesty to the 20 million illegals who are already here?

Bullshit. We can put a man on the moon, we can protect our borders with technology.

Watch it again. 2-1/2 minutes that will show you some tunnels. Then it will go into other video's of terrain, making a wall the most ineffective way of protecting the border. It would make for the most expensive, laughable boondoggle in the history of this nation.

Does the Border Fence work?

Which is why a full house of Republicans have REFUSED to fund Trump's worthless POS WALL.

Yes they work. Yuma is proof that a wall reduces illegal crossings

-Geaux

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.

The bipartisan Secure Fence Act of 2006 — supported by then-Sens. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and others — mandated the construction of hundreds of additional miles of secure fencing and infrastructure investments. Yuma sector was one of the first areas to receive infrastructure investments.


We built new infrastructure along the border east and west of the San Luis Arizona Port of Entry in 2006. The existing fence was quickly lengthened, and we added second and third layers to that fencing in urban areas. Lighting, roads and increased surveillance were added to aid agents patrolling the border.

Although there is still work to do, the border in Yuma sector today is more secure because of this investment. Even under lax enforcement standards, apprehensions in fiscal year 2016 were roughly a 10th of what they were in FY 2005 — and are on track to be even lower this year. Crime has significantly decreased in the Yuma area, and smugglers now look for other less difficult areas of the border to cross — often areas without fencing.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.

Too bad it is like the anti-federalists with our Bill of Rights.

Needing a wall means our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are Worthless.

It's a mute point now. Paul Ryan basically told Trump during the campaign that if Mexico refused to pay for his wall Trump would have to come up with other means to fund it.

Existing trade deals are written signed into law bills that also need congressional approval to be changed or rewritten.

So Trump never really had leverage over Mexico to pay for the wall.

Well compare it to Commie Care. We were promised that it would save American families $2,500 a year in premiums. We were promised we could keep our doctor and care facilities. We were promised we could keep our insurance.

None of these things happened. Piglosi said they had to pass the bill to find out what was in it.

But now that it's our agenda, keep bringing up how Mexico isn't paying up front for the wall. Why can't we pass a bill for a wall to find out what's in it like ObamaCare?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It’s a waste of money . If the goal is to address illegal immigration, then that money is better spent in other ways .

More ins agents , more immigrantion courts , more judges . More enforcement vs companies who hire illegals . That’s a better use if the money .

None of the things you listed prohibits someone from walking into OUR NATION. You know what does? A WALL

No it doesn’t . Where You find a 10 foot wall, you’ll find a 12 foot ladder that beats it.

If we were talking 20 miles . Fine . We are talking 1,400 miles!!!

It's not a perfect solution but unarguably it would reduce crossings

-Geaux

Not really and it would

• redirect resources
• Cause wildlife migration disaster
• Spilt communities and businesses
• Maintenance will be hell

In reality if someone wants to get into America this won't stop them. There is plenty of places along the border where US and Mexicans are neighbours popping over and back...

Honestly if you want to actually stop Illegal Immigration just look at the root problem. Mexico has net emigration but leave that for the moment...

Lets look at those Asylum Seekers for Honduras. These people left their family and community, their home, their property, etc... to walk thousands of miles to try and get into a country which doesn't want them with the only possessions they have they are carrying.
Seriously, what makes someone that desperate? (Would that person suddenly be deterred by a wall?)

Then lets look at Honduras as a country:

• Their political leadership for decades was heavily influence/selected by US who fighting proxy wars in the area.
• US demand for Cocaine (failed drug war) has caused a huge amount of Black money to riddle the country with corruption
• US supply of Arms has it that if you aren't taking a bribe then you are dead or your family will be killed off one by one
• Gangs like MS-13 and 18th (which were set up in the US) have huge control and are well financed by this drug trade.
• MS-13 and 18th also control Mexico as well so while you escape through Mexico you are not free fro them.

This is why the wall won't work.. You think you are arguing with someone that has a choice, if you had husband killed in gang warfare and the local gang leader wants you 10yr old son as a runner and you can't let your 12yr old daughter out as she will be kidnapped and trafficked for sex, but they could raid your house and take her anyway. Think of the fear they live in..

I am sorry but the US holds a lot of responsibility for what is going on south of its border. If the CIA was trying to destabilise these countries they could do it better than the US has already done so...

Lets look at those Asylum Seekers for Honduras. These people left their family and community, their home, their property, etc... to walk thousands of miles to try and get into a country which doesn't want them with the only possessions they have they are carrying.
Seriously, what makes someone that desperate? (Would that person suddenly be deterred by a wall?)

If they are so desperate as you say, why did they not accept asylum from Mexico when offered?

It took a lot of money and a lot of lives to build this place called America. We continue to do so today. Now that it's the shining house on the hill, everybody just wants to come on over now that the hard work is done. Forget about these people doing something with their own countries. That's too much time and hard work.

Of course they will travel months on end to get here. What have they got to lose? It's not like they have full-time jobs they have to be at in the morning. It's kind of like when we Americans go do Disneyland. It's a great place somebody built for our entertainment and relaxation!

Yet these places they come from are so terrible they continue to have families. So what you people on the left want are these breeding grounds of third worlders and a direct moving sidewalk to send these families from there to the US.

 

[Lesh]

Well compare it to Commie Care. We were promised that it would save American families $2,500 a year in premiums. We were promised we could keep our doctor and care facilities. We were promised we could keep our insurance.

A. You were "promised" that it would save $2500/per family...and it likely has ! Premiums have gone up at a much slower rate than previously. Was it a full $2500? Hard to say but it HAS saved families money

B. Who lost their doctor because of the ACA? You know anyone? I sure don't. And if an insurer decides to not offer in a particular state that's on the insurer...not the ACA. It happened prior to the ACA as well.

C. You COULD keep your insurance...as long as it actually WAS insurance and not a bullshit policy

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't think a wall is wrong.... I think building one across the whole southern border is wrong and cost prohibitive, but I do think we need to rebuild the walls near heavy crossing points, which seem to be shabby... like the one near Tijuana... videos showed how shabby parts of it were.... they are still likely going to be able to cross over it...but it will slow them down... giving time for border patrol to catch them (fingers crossed) or even under it... unless somehow it is technically able to detect such tunnels...a ''Smart'' wall, so to say...

The cost of the wall is .01% of the annual budget. Medicare for everyone? $1.5 trillion/yr. Which one does the snowflake moron believe to be too expensive?

We spend 72 billion a year on food stamps........EVERY YEAR. The Democrats have no problem with that. All we want is just half that amount one time only, and that's too much to ask for. Now they are concerned about money.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well compare it to Commie Care. We were promised that it would save American families $2,500 a year in premiums. We were promised we could keep our doctor and care facilities. We were promised we could keep our insurance.

A. You were "promised" that it would save $2500/per family...and it likely has ! Premiums have gone up at a much slower rate than previously. Was it a full $2500? Hard to say but it HAS saved families money

B. Who lost their doctor because of the ACA? You know anyone? I sure don't. And if an insurer decides to not offer in a particular state that's on the insurer...not the ACA. It happened prior to the ACA as well.

C. You COULD keep your insurance...as long as it actually WAS insurance and not a bullshit policy

All three of your points are BS.

Commie Care only offers one plan for my provider, and it's way too expensive for anybody to afford.

Bullshit policies? Have you checked out what Commie Care has to offer for the money? I never had such bullshit plans in my life when employers were providing them.

Yes, you could keep your insurance provided they included birth control and prenatal care. What guy needs prenatal care? Plus the policy was only grandfathered in provided nothing ever changed. WTF insurance policy never changes; especially cost wise?

 

[Lesh]

We spend 72 billion a year on food stamps........EVERY YEAR. The Democrats have no problem with that. All we want is just half that amount one time only, and that's too much to ask for. Now they are concerned about money.

SNAP provides important nutritional support for low-wage working families, low-income seniors, and people with disabilities living on fixed incomes. Close to 70 percent of SNAP participants are in families with children; nearly a third are in households with seniors or people with disabilities. After unemployment insurance, it is the most responsive federal program providing additional assistance during economic downturns.

And guess what you're NOT whining about?

The 20 billion we give to farmers...often to NOT grow crops. DOesn't seem to bother you at all.

But hey.

Build that fucking wall. Piss away those 10s of billions and watch it NOT fix the problem.

Of course then you'd have to stop whining and own the problem so...

 

[Lesh]

Commie Care only offers one plan for my provider, and it's way too expensive for anybody to afford.

Sure. We believe you. Of course you won't specify what state will you....because then we could check

Can't be Ohio

how much does healkthcare cost in ohio - Google Search

Cmon mouth. Where?

https://www.cms.gov/sites/drupal/files/2018-10/10-11-18 Average Monthly Premiums for SLCSP and LCP 2016-2019.pdf

 

[francoHFW]

It’s a waste of money . If the goal is to address illegal immigration, then that money is better spent in other ways .

More ins agents , more immigrantion courts , more judges . More enforcement vs companies who hire illegals . That’s a better use if the money .

None of the things you listed prohibits someone from walking into OUR NATION. You know what does? A WALL

No it doesn’t . Where You find a 10 foot wall, you’ll find a 12 foot ladder that beats it.

If we were talking 20 miles . Fine . We are talking 1,400 miles!!!

It's not a perfect solution but unarguably it would reduce crossings

-Geaux

Not really and it would

• redirect resources
• Cause wildlife migration disaster
• Spilt communities and businesses
• Maintenance will be hell

In reality if someone wants to get into America this won't stop them. There is plenty of places along the border where US and Mexicans are neighbours popping over and back...

Honestly if you want to actually stop Illegal Immigration just look at the root problem. Mexico has net emigration but leave that for the moment...

Lets look at those Asylum Seekers for Honduras. These people left their family and community, their home, their property, etc... to walk thousands of miles to try and get into a country which doesn't want them with the only possessions they have they are carrying.
Seriously, what makes someone that desperate? (Would that person suddenly be deterred by a wall?)

Then lets look at Honduras as a country:

• Their political leadership for decades was heavily influence/selected by US who fighting proxy wars in the area.
• US demand for Cocaine (failed drug war) has caused a huge amount of Black money to riddle the country with corruption
• US supply of Arms has it that if you aren't taking a bribe then you are dead or your family will be killed off one by one
• Gangs like MS-13 and 18th (which were set up in the US) have huge control and are well financed by this drug trade.
• MS-13 and 18th also control Mexico as well so while you escape through Mexico you are not free fro them.

This is why the wall won't work.. You think you are arguing with someone that has a choice, if you had husband killed in gang warfare and the local gang leader wants you 10yr old son as a runner and you can't let your 12yr old daughter out as she will be kidnapped and trafficked for sex, but they could raid your house and take her anyway. Think of the fear they live in..

I am sorry but the US holds a lot of responsibility for what is going on south of its border. If the CIA was trying to destabilise these countries they could do it better than the US has already done so...

Lets look at those Asylum Seekers for Honduras. These people left their family and community, their home, their property, etc... to walk thousands of miles to try and get into a country which doesn't want them with the only possessions they have they are carrying.
Seriously, what makes someone that desperate? (Would that person suddenly be deterred by a wall?)

If they are so desperate as you say, why did they not accept asylum from Mexico when offered?

It took a lot of money and a lot of lives to build this place called America. We continue to do so today. Now that it's the shining house on the hill, everybody just wants to come on over now that the hard work is done. Forget about these people doing something with their own countries. That's too much time and hard work.

Of course they will travel months on end to get here. What have they got to lose? It's not like they have full-time jobs they have to be at in the morning. It's kind of like when we Americans go do Disneyland. It's a great place somebody built for our entertainment and relaxation!

Yet these places they come from are so terrible they continue to have families. So what you people on the left want are these breeding grounds of third worlders and a direct moving sidewalk to send these families from there to the US.

Mexico is also ruined by the GOP never ending war on drugs and the 2008 GOP corrupt World economic meltdown.

 

[francoHFW]

Commie Care only offers one plan for my provider, and it's way too expensive for anybody to afford.

Sure. We believe you. Of course you won't specify what state will you....because then we could check

Ohio. Cleveland.

 

[francoHFW]

I don't think a wall is wrong.... I think building one across the whole southern border is wrong and cost prohibitive, but I do think we need to rebuild the walls near heavy crossing points, which seem to be shabby... like the one near Tijuana... videos showed how shabby parts of it were.... they are still likely going to be able to cross over it...but it will slow them down... giving time for border patrol to catch them (fingers crossed) or even under it... unless somehow it is technically able to detect such tunnels...a ''Smart'' wall, so to say...

The cost of the wall is .01% of the annual budget. Medicare for everyone? $1.5 trillion/yr. Which one does the snowflake moron believe to be too expensive?

We spend 72 billion a year on food stamps........EVERY YEAR. The Democrats have no problem with that. All we want is just half that amount one time only, and that's too much to ask for. Now they are concerned about money.

Pass a living wage and that number would be decimated

 

[francoHFW]

Well compare it to Commie Care. We were promised that it would save American families $2,500 a year in premiums. We were promised we could keep our doctor and care facilities. We were promised we could keep our insurance.

A. You were "promised" that it would save $2500/per family...and it likely has ! Premiums have gone up at a much slower rate than previously. Was it a full $2500? Hard to say but it HAS saved families money

B. Who lost their doctor because of the ACA? You know anyone? I sure don't. And if an insurer decides to not offer in a particular state that's on the insurer...not the ACA. It happened prior to the ACA as well.

C. You COULD keep your insurance...as long as it actually WAS insurance and not a bullshit policy

All three of your points are BS.

Commie Care only offers one plan for my provider, and it's way too expensive for anybody to afford.

Bullshit policies? Have you checked out what Commie Care has to offer for the money? I never had such bullshit plans in my life when employers were providing them.

Yes, you could keep your insurance provided they included birth control and prenatal care. What guy needs prenatal care? Plus the policy was only grandfathered in provided nothing ever changed. WTF insurance policy never changes; especially cost wise?

God you are full of garbage propaganda...

 

[Thinker101]

Well compare it to Commie Care. We were promised that it would save American families $2,500 a year in premiums. We were promised we could keep our doctor and care facilities. We were promised we could keep our insurance.

A. You were "promised" that it would save $2500/per family...and it likely has ! Premiums have gone up at a much slower rate than previously. Was it a full $2500? Hard to say but it HAS saved families money

B. Who lost their doctor because of the ACA? You know anyone? I sure don't. And if an insurer decides to not offer in a particular state that's on the insurer...not the ACA. It happened prior to the ACA as well.

C. You COULD keep your insurance...as long as it actually WAS insurance and not a bullshit policy

A. Likely has? WTF kinda answer is that. How about looking it up instead of just spewing BS.
Obamacare Was Supposed to Lower Health Care Costs, But Has It?

B. I lost my doctor, three of my neighbors lost their doctors. Do you look anything up or just insist on saying stupid shit.
Patients outraged after losing doctors under Obamacare

C. So, the insurance some of us used for the last 15-20 years and worked fairly well was a bullshit policy?

You are obviously the epitome of a stupid fuck.

 

[francoHFW]

Well compare it to Commie Care. We were promised that it would save American families $2,500 a year in premiums. We were promised we could keep our doctor and care facilities. We were promised we could keep our insurance.

A. You were "promised" that it would save $2500/per family...and it likely has ! Premiums have gone up at a much slower rate than previously. Was it a full $2500? Hard to say but it HAS saved families money

B. Who lost their doctor because of the ACA? You know anyone? I sure don't. And if an insurer decides to not offer in a particular state that's on the insurer...not the ACA. It happened prior to the ACA as well.

C. You COULD keep your insurance...as long as it actually WAS insurance and not a bullshit policy

A. Likely has? WTF kinda answer is that. How about looking it up instead of just spewing BS.
Obamacare Was Supposed to Lower Health Care Costs, But Has It?

B. I lost my doctor, three of my neighbors lost their doctors. Do you look anything up or just insist on saying stupid shit.
Patients outraged after losing doctors under Obamacare

C. So, the insurance some of us used for the last 15-20 years and worked fairly well was a bullshit policy?

You are obviously the epitome of a stupid fuck.

Under the old scam GOP system, there were 750,000 bankruptcies a year because of Health Care, and 500000 of those were people who thought they had good insurance. Also 40000 + died a year because they had no insurance and did the did not feel like losing everything... Those people who lost their doctors signed up for the wrong Network. Everyone agrees that the cost rise curve has gone down, except for liars and silly dupes like you, and that is with all the sabotage from the GOP...

 

[Thinker101]

Well compare it to Commie Care. We were promised that it would save American families $2,500 a year in premiums. We were promised we could keep our doctor and care facilities. We were promised we could keep our insurance.

A. You were "promised" that it would save $2500/per family...and it likely has ! Premiums have gone up at a much slower rate than previously. Was it a full $2500? Hard to say but it HAS saved families money

B. Who lost their doctor because of the ACA? You know anyone? I sure don't. And if an insurer decides to not offer in a particular state that's on the insurer...not the ACA. It happened prior to the ACA as well.

C. You COULD keep your insurance...as long as it actually WAS insurance and not a bullshit policy

A. Likely has? WTF kinda answer is that. How about looking it up instead of just spewing BS.
Obamacare Was Supposed to Lower Health Care Costs, But Has It?

B. I lost my doctor, three of my neighbors lost their doctors. Do you look anything up or just insist on saying stupid shit.
Patients outraged after losing doctors under Obamacare

C. So, the insurance some of us used for the last 15-20 years and worked fairly well was a bullshit policy?

You are obviously the epitome of a stupid fuck.

Under the old scam GOP system, there were 750,000 bankruptcies a year because of Health Care, and 500000 of those were people who thought they had good insurance. Also 40000 + died a year because they had no insurance and did the did not feel like losing everything... Those people who lost their doctors signed up for the wrong Network. Everyone agrees that the cost rise curve has gone down, except for liars and silly dupes like you, and that is with all the sabotage from the GOP...

Dumbass....
Has Obamacare reduced medical bankruptcy? | The American Journal of Medicine Blog

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well compare it to Commie Care. We were promised that it would save American families $2,500 a year in premiums. We were promised we could keep our doctor and care facilities. We were promised we could keep our insurance.

A. You were "promised" that it would save $2500/per family...and it likely has ! Premiums have gone up at a much slower rate than previously. Was it a full $2500? Hard to say but it HAS saved families money

B. Who lost their doctor because of the ACA? You know anyone? I sure don't. And if an insurer decides to not offer in a particular state that's on the insurer...not the ACA. It happened prior to the ACA as well.

C. You COULD keep your insurance...as long as it actually WAS insurance and not a bullshit policy

A. Likely has? WTF kinda answer is that. How about looking it up instead of just spewing BS.
Obamacare Was Supposed to Lower Health Care Costs, But Has It?

B. I lost my doctor, three of my neighbors lost their doctors. Do you look anything up or just insist on saying stupid shit.
Patients outraged after losing doctors under Obamacare

C. So, the insurance some of us used for the last 15-20 years and worked fairly well was a bullshit policy?

You are obviously the epitome of a stupid fuck.

Under the old scam GOP system, there were 750,000 bankruptcies a year because of Health Care, and 500000 of those were people who thought they had good insurance. Also 40000 + died a year because they had no insurance and did the did not feel like losing everything... Those people who lost their doctors signed up for the wrong Network. Everyone agrees that the cost rise curve has gone down, except for liars and silly dupes like you, and that is with all the sabotage from the GOP...

Utter bull as usual from you:

Opinion | The truth about medical bankruptcies

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well compare it to Commie Care. We were promised that it would save American families $2,500 a year in premiums. We were promised we could keep our doctor and care facilities. We were promised we could keep our insurance.

A. You were "promised" that it would save $2500/per family...and it likely has ! Premiums have gone up at a much slower rate than previously. Was it a full $2500? Hard to say but it HAS saved families money

B. Who lost their doctor because of the ACA? You know anyone? I sure don't. And if an insurer decides to not offer in a particular state that's on the insurer...not the ACA. It happened prior to the ACA as well.

C. You COULD keep your insurance...as long as it actually WAS insurance and not a bullshit policy

A. Likely has? WTF kinda answer is that. How about looking it up instead of just spewing BS.
Obamacare Was Supposed to Lower Health Care Costs, But Has It?

B. I lost my doctor, three of my neighbors lost their doctors. Do you look anything up or just insist on saying stupid shit.
Patients outraged after losing doctors under Obamacare

C. So, the insurance some of us used for the last 15-20 years and worked fairly well was a bullshit policy?

You are obviously the epitome of a stupid fuck.

Under the old scam GOP system, there were 750,000 bankruptcies a year because of Health Care, and 500000 of those were people who thought they had good insurance. Also 40000 + died a year because they had no insurance and did the did not feel like losing everything... Those people who lost their doctors signed up for the wrong Network. Everyone agrees that the cost rise curve has gone down, except for liars and silly dupes like you, and that is with all the sabotage from the GOP...

Utter bull as usual from you:

Opinion | The truth about medical bankruptcies

Commie Care only offers one plan for my provider, and it's way too expensive for anybody to afford.

Sure. We believe you. Of course you won't specify what state will you....because then we could check

Can't be Ohio

how much does healkthcare cost in ohio - Google Search

Cmon mouth. Where?

https://www.cms.gov/sites/drupal/files/2018-10/10-11-18 Average Monthly Premiums for SLCSP and LCP 2016-2019.pdf

Yeah, average, and WTF does that prove? People with money don't need Commie Care, so that only leaves the poor and middle-class. And if you knew what you were reading, you'd see the increase between 2016 and 2018 was over 37%.

And WTF was that first link supposed to be about anyway? Go to Commie Care, sign up like I did, and then checkout their plans. The crappiest plan they had for me (which didn't cover my doctor or health facility) was $680.00 a month. That's with an $8,000 deductible and an $8,000 out of pocket. In other words, I'd be paying a mortgage payment for insurance I'll never use unless I get hit by a bus.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We spend 72 billion a year on food stamps........EVERY YEAR. The Democrats have no problem with that. All we want is just half that amount one time only, and that's too much to ask for. Now they are concerned about money.

SNAP provides important nutritional support for low-wage working families, low-income seniors, and people with disabilities living on fixed incomes. Close to 70 percent of SNAP participants are in families with children; nearly a third are in households with seniors or people with disabilities. After unemployment insurance, it is the most responsive federal program providing additional assistance during economic downturns.

And guess what you're NOT whining about?

The 20 billion we give to farmers...often to NOT grow crops. DOesn't seem to bother you at all.

But hey.

Build that fucking wall. Piss away those 10s of billions and watch it NOT fix the problem.

Of course then you'd have to stop whining and own the problem so...

A wall will work. WTF do you think Democrats are so scared to death about? They know it will work.

Yeah,food stamps are for people who irresponsibly have kids they can't afford to feed. So taxpayers feed their kids for them. Senior citizens? You mean those who didn't save a dime for retirement and now want us to give them additional support on top of Social Security? Given over half of all immigrants in the US use welfare of some sort, I'm sure food stamps is at the top of the list because it's easier to get.

Speaking of Social Security, SS disability is pretty generous; not doing great, but pay you enough to live on including food.

Correct. I don't whine about farm subsidies like you don't whine about electric car or solar panel subsidies.

 

[francoHFW]

Well compare it to Commie Care. We were promised that it would save American families $2,500 a year in premiums. We were promised we could keep our doctor and care facilities. We were promised we could keep our insurance.

A. You were "promised" that it would save $2500/per family...and it likely has ! Premiums have gone up at a much slower rate than previously. Was it a full $2500? Hard to say but it HAS saved families money

B. Who lost their doctor because of the ACA? You know anyone? I sure don't. And if an insurer decides to not offer in a particular state that's on the insurer...not the ACA. It happened prior to the ACA as well.

C. You COULD keep your insurance...as long as it actually WAS insurance and not a bullshit policy

A. Likely has? WTF kinda answer is that. How about looking it up instead of just spewing BS.
Obamacare Was Supposed to Lower Health Care Costs, But Has It?

B. I lost my doctor, three of my neighbors lost their doctors. Do you look anything up or just insist on saying stupid shit.
Patients outraged after losing doctors under Obamacare

C. So, the insurance some of us used for the last 15-20 years and worked fairly well was a bullshit policy?

You are obviously the epitome of a stupid fuck.

Under the old scam GOP system, there were 750,000 bankruptcies a year because of Health Care, and 500000 of those were people who thought they had good insurance. Also 40000 + died a year because they had no insurance and did the did not feel like losing everything... Those people who lost their doctors signed up for the wrong Network. Everyone agrees that the cost rise curve has gone down, except for liars and silly dupes like you, and that is with all the sabotage from the GOP...

Utter bull as usual from you:

Opinion | The truth about medical bankruptcies

Commie Care only offers one plan for my provider, and it's way too expensive for anybody to afford.

Sure. We believe you. Of course you won't specify what state will you....because then we could check

Can't be Ohio

how much does healkthcare cost in ohio - Google Search

Cmon mouth. Where?

https://www.cms.gov/sites/drupal/files/2018-10/10-11-18 Average Monthly Premiums for SLCSP and LCP 2016-2019.pdf

Yeah, average, and WTF does that prove? People with money don't need Commie Care, so that only leaves the poor and middle-class. And if you knew what you were reading, you'd see the increase between 2016 and 2018 was over 37%.

And WTF was that first link supposed to be about anyway? Go to Commie Care, sign up like I did, and then checkout their plans. The crappiest plan they had for me (which didn't cover my doctor or health facility) was $680.00 a month. That's with an $8,000 deductible and an $8,000 out of pocket. In other words, I'd be paying a mortgage payment for insurance I'll never use unless I get hit by a bus.

Yes Obamacare is great for poor workers and the poor, but the competition and regulation will bring down the cost for the middle class and the rest also. The old GOP scam system was a disgrace. That may be from The Washington Post but its a GOP liar I reckon as usual.... At any rate I'm not paying to read it

 

[francoHFW]

Well compare it to Commie Care. We were promised that it would save American families $2,500 a year in premiums. We were promised we could keep our doctor and care facilities. We were promised we could keep our insurance.

A. You were "promised" that it would save $2500/per family...and it likely has ! Premiums have gone up at a much slower rate than previously. Was it a full $2500? Hard to say but it HAS saved families money

B. Who lost their doctor because of the ACA? You know anyone? I sure don't. And if an insurer decides to not offer in a particular state that's on the insurer...not the ACA. It happened prior to the ACA as well.

C. You COULD keep your insurance...as long as it actually WAS insurance and not a bullshit policy

A. Likely has? WTF kinda answer is that. How about looking it up instead of just spewing BS.
Obamacare Was Supposed to Lower Health Care Costs, But Has It?

B. I lost my doctor, three of my neighbors lost their doctors. Do you look anything up or just insist on saying stupid shit.
Patients outraged after losing doctors under Obamacare

C. So, the insurance some of us used for the last 15-20 years and worked fairly well was a bullshit policy?

You are obviously the epitome of a stupid fuck.

Under the old scam GOP system, there were 750,000 bankruptcies a year because of Health Care, and 500000 of those were people who thought they had good insurance. Also 40000 + died a year because they had no insurance and did the did not feel like losing everything... Those people who lost their doctors signed up for the wrong Network. Everyone agrees that the cost rise curve has gone down, except for liars and silly dupes like you, and that is with all the sabotage from the GOP...

Utter bull as usual from you:

Opinion | The truth about medical bankruptcies

Commie Care only offers one plan for my provider, and it's way too expensive for anybody to afford.

Sure. We believe you. Of course you won't specify what state will you....because then we could check

Can't be Ohio

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Cmon mouth. Where?

https://www.cms.gov/sites/drupal/files/2018-10/10-11-18 Average Monthly Premiums for SLCSP and LCP 2016-2019.pdf

Yeah, average, and WTF does that prove? People with money don't need Commie Care, so that only leaves the poor and middle-class. And if you knew what you were reading, you'd see the increase between 2016 and 2018 was over 37%.

And WTF was that first link supposed to be about anyway? Go to Commie Care, sign up like I did, and then checkout their plans. The crappiest plan they had for me (which didn't cover my doctor or health facility) was $680.00 a month. That's with an $8,000 deductible and an $8,000 out of pocket. In other words, I'd be paying a mortgage payment for insurance I'll never use unless I get hit by a bus.

There are many free tests for all kinds of diseases also... Catastrophic care was the way this was going before Obamacare...