Why is Building the Wall Wrong?

[beautress]

No, we have an environmental problem, Dan. Millions of people a year flooding over our borders, a few with another 9/11 attack plans in their backpacks, and that takes a lot of additional landfills to accommodate them, which have to be paid for with half a dozen federal agencies involved in the oversight of America's water tables. In 1991, it took the state of Virginia $1 Billion Dollars to clean up a 25-mile area of water table lands that were affected by half a dozen parks in a 2 square mile radius that had infected animals brought there to have them pee and poop because their owners lived in apartments with no yard space for their pets. The particular organism in the excrement also infected a local population of wild mammals and birds. In humans, there was a greater than normal number of nonsmokers getting malignant lung cancer from the infected water table.

It's complicated, but our Latin neighbors have no compunctions in the past about dumping on our doorstep even more criminally insane criminals, insane asylum candidates, serial rapists, AIDs-infected night ladies, rowdies ready to join paramilitary groups and buy armaments, and poor people their higher classes refused to employ so they could have more money. I know we will educate, feed, clothe, hospitalize, experience citizen deaths until the serial murderers are caught, and enable to purchase housing for their families when they get here. But we will also have to get a lot more creative with trash disposal that each million accepted here will invoke. But with each kindness, groups replacing LaRaza which historically has planned political coups to remove themselves from the nation at large and/or take over border states and become a rogue nation replete with punishments for citizens that exceeds the cruelty of their DNA ancestors of the Mayan Inca tribes whose religion incorporates repugnant things done to children. Because we are a nation that allows freedom of religion, a religion demanding criminal behaviors would take advantage of our generosity, and once away from traditional Missions in Mexico, that wild side could reappear in this nation, which would please certain supportive entities from abroad whose goal is to snag everybody into their killing ways, female mutilations, and other unspeakable things.

We need to tell the world, that not only are we done, we will not tolerate disciplining wives with dismissible murder as the chief alternative, thankyouverymuch.

We have a general welfare clause not a general warfare clause.

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization

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We already have rules established, Dan. It's just that the illegals do not respect them because they already have hundreds of miles of areas where they can sneak across with a 50-50 chance they will be undetected. Interpretation: for every 3,000,000 illegal crossers, 1,500,000 of them get it. And since it is already recorded that many crossers have already been escorted back to Mexico, by their 10th crossing at least one of those times they are undetected illegal crossers, all they need is a false id that resembles a green card when they get to a farm or factory where ids aren't looked upon too carefully.

Why not just let it go, Dan. Most of us do not continue on if we lose 9 chances at much of anything. (Oops, I forgot about Vegas...) Well, anyhow, it only takes one open window to a place where persistence will also make them employed sooner or later.​

Ellis Island used to be able to process thousands per day. There should be no refugees waiting for processing on our border.

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization

When you mention Ellis Island and what used to be, are you saying you don't care for the wait-your-turn policy on immigration? It's been in place for years, to help integrate people from a variety of nations to get a chance at the American Dream. Are you also in favor of allowing only one area of the world push its way in here?

I guess I do differ with you on that count. I love the Mexican people who live here, but I also enjoy knowing that as Americans, we have many nations touching us when a fair number from each country is allowed in.

Mexico unfortunately is the neighbor who sees an opportunity to overpopulate our nation rather than its own with people it wants nothing to do with. They send us car thieves, home invaders, patients with incurable mental and physical diseases, etc. for the sole purpose of benefitting financially from the money they send back to Mexico to support an economy that so entitles its rich it ignores and reduces its poor to a life of bitterness and poverty. AND they see an opening for America solving all their problems and making their rich classes richer than ever.

Our existing immigration policies stands for equal opportunities to a variety of people. The illegal practice of sending us only problems so far, allows a corrupt Mexico to sing "Don't worry, be happy" all day and all night. It is not fair to the unsung scientist who goes unappreciated in another country who's been waiting for 20 years for his ok to come here, and now, never can because his space has been filled 10,000 times with Mexico's problems.

We finally got one person elected to office who will deal like an adult with the moochers to the south, and what happens? Y'all go all out to kick him in the groin on a constant basis for things he did from the first time he sneezed as a child to frowning at a member of the ninnyhammer press.

Mexico will benefit by having to grow up enough to take care of their own. We will have to get all our druggy kids out of the slammer and put them in the orchards, so what. It'll benefit everyone concerned if we take away the border tit and make Mexico grow more beans.

Mexico is a moochie moochie.
It just wants to eat your cookie.
Say "Adios" to tribulation,
Singing "stupid gringos,- celebration."

I keep seeing people saying Mexico is sending us their murders, rapists, thrives, home invaders, and the mental and physical disabled. Exactly how is the government doing this. Do they buy them plane tickets or maybe they drive them up to border and help them over fence.

Quote: I keep seeing people saying Mexico is sending us their murders, rapists, thrives, home invaders, and the mental and physical disabled. Exactly how is the government doing this. Do they buy them plane tickets or maybe they drive them up to border and help them over fence.
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Thank you for asking, Mr. Flopper. It will take me several weeks to gather the kind of information you would like verified, because the dismal criminally-controlled border situation is exacerbated by cultural differences of our neighbors to the south and how they deal with criminal behaviors. You will not get much specific from such government agencies as the U. S. Bureau of Diplomatic Security - Mexico 2016 Crime & Safety Report: Nuevo Laredo

I gathered from my reading and understanding of the scant not to mention vague explanations in the above report is what I know about border doings came from two years of living near the border at age 13-14, when my dad was a Superintendent of Schools one year and a Principal of another the following year. Things were a lot different back then, but my father, who had been a Marine who served in WWII and the Korean War, took a loving approach to children of different backgrounds, to be sure they received good educations. This did little to endear him to prejudicial parents of the late 50s and early 60s, but earned him the respect of Christians in the two communities he served, who took a positive position towards those fleeing truly scary people in Mexico, although there were only 2 Mexican families in the community and one a few years before who all died because a centipede climbed into the coffee pot, rendering it poisonous to everyone in the family since it was their custom to serve coffee to children. It was sad to hear about. That said, over half the irst community that was not too far from Laredo were of Spanish descent, and the rest were ranchers, a pharmacist, and teachers.. At that time, we received the first Salk vaccines, and nobody was refused, and we were in line alphabetically, which is how the teachers decided fairness should be on their turf.

Anyhow, I got the impression that border crossings were not that frequent, and often, it was just common knowledge that Mexican sheriffs routinely took unwanted criminals and their families to the border with the warning they would be shot on sight if they returned to Mexico.. We did visit the market place at Neuva Laredo that year, and the border crossing guards on both sides were polite and collected a dollar and fifty cents from Dad. We ate at a nice place, then went to the marketplace that were pretty, colorful, and bright, and you had to haggle, except I just couldn't, to my brother's disgust as I recollect.

So that and the hush-hush diplomatic link above aren't much to go on, and you can disparage hearsay all you want to, but all I can say is that's the way it was--and everybody knew it about the Mexican Police.

I'll try and filter through all that nebulous material and locate a statement or two, but I'm sure you would likely pick things your side of the fence would like to hear, so I leave you to explore the link on this issue.

Quotes from the Bureau report:

Mexico 2016 Crime & Safety Report: Nuevo Laredo
Travel Health and Safety; Transportation Security; Stolen items; Theft; Kidnapping; Narcoterrorism; Drug Trafficking; Murder; Extortion; Rape/Sexual Violence; Riots/Civil Unrest; Floods; Financial Security
Western Hemisphere > Mexico; Western Hemisphere > Mexico > Nuevo Laredo
4/12/2016
Overall Crime and Safety Situation

Post Crime Rating: Critical

While the violence and kidnapping rates remained level in 2015 compared to the previous two years, the security environment did not improve substantially. The absence of a municipal police force and the inability to form a reliable, vetted state police force capable of maintaining law and order (without federal support) remain glaring signs that Nuevo Laredo, and Tamaulipas in general, has a ways to go before the security situation can be deemed improved. The situation in northeast Mexico remains fluid; the location and timing of armed engagements cannot be predicted.

Crime Threats

This region remains a critical threat environment for crime. Although the primary security threat within the region stems from the Transnational Criminal Organizations (TCOs), street crime and thefts within urban areas is common. Since 2006, the government has engaged in an extensive effort to combat TCOs, which have been engaged in a struggle with each other for control of lucrative drug trafficking routes. In order to prevent and combat violence, the government has deployed military troops and federal police throughout the country. The vast majority of those killed have been members of TCOs and, to a lesser extent, the federal forces who are fighting them; however, innocent bystanders have been killed in shootouts either between TCOs and law enforcement or between rival TCOs.

Violent crime (kidnappings, extortions, homicides, sexual assaults, personal robberies, residential break-ins) and non-violent crimes (financial scams, vehicle thefts, petty drug crimes) continue to be a serious concern for those living or transiting Tamaulipas. In 2015, firefights tool place throughout the Consular District (Nuevo Laredo, Piedras Negras). Gun battles have occurred in broad daylight, on public streets, and close to public venues.
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I think the Mexican police are cited as being the cause of so much graft at the border, and in introspect of the things I read about them, it seems to me to be a matter of the Mexican government's errors of omission--they do not make requirements of their police, so the police who are there can pick and choose safe neighborhoods to patrol and leave the killers alone so they do not be killed. That's what I gathered, and in no way is a reflection of what was actually said for the rest of the page. What horrifies us is having to put up with bullies of that civilization by the masses, their helplessness in the face of druglord greed, and the sadness of the women who lose their men who were trying to protect their families from drug cartel crazies.

Good night. It's past my bedtime, and my Spanish language of 20 years ago sans any practice keeps me from trying Spanish speaking news, where most of the specifics are most likely carried there. Also, this issue tears at my heart, because nothing is fair about being a person without a country that nurtures its people. Nothing.

 

[beautress]

The wall will most likely be built of concrete, so that's total bullshit.

I stand corrected, Mr. bripat.

 

[oreo]

Nothing is 100% effective. I'll accept an 80% level of confidence the wall would reduce illegal crossings by 68%

-Geaux

The empirical evidence shows that the wall will be 100% effective where it actually exists.

That's a crock of B.S,

The only way to secure the border is with high tech motion detectors and more border patrol stations that can respond quickly. Something they can see, can and will always be compromised, something they can't see won't even be attempted.

You had a Republican full house for two years, why in the hell do you think they didn't vote for it.

Here's 2-1/2 minutes of reasons.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.
President Donald Trump’s promise to build a wall along our Southern border will save countless innocent lives. Our Border Patrol agents have seen firsthand the success of a border wall in Yuma, Ariz. — which serves as a prime example of how investments in personnel, technology and a border wall can turn the tide against a flood of illegal immigration and secure our homeland.

For years, Yuma sector was besieged by chaos as a nearly unending flood of migrants and drugs poured across our border. Even as agents were arresting on average 800 illegal aliens a day, we were still unable to stop the thousands of trucks filled with drugs and humans that quickly crossed a vanishing point and dispersed into communities all across the country.

It is hard for anyone familiar with Yuma sector today to imagine this scene. That’s because nearly a decade ago, a group of bipartisan lawmakers came together to protect the homeland, save innocent lives, and build a physical barrier across the border.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.

First it's a fence and not wall and it certainly can crossed.

Oh, didn't you know? A stunt like that will bring instant electrocution because the wall will be electrified.

Rubber tires have no problems with electricity--- Furthermore I doubt a 1000 mile wall is going to have electricity within a 1000 miles to plug into. I think some of you people are doing your own WALLLLLLLL design. An electric 1000 wall has never been discussed. So I assume you're getting your idea's from the usual suspect.

 

[oreo]

The empirical evidence shows that the wall will be 100% effective where it actually exists.

That's a crock of B.S,

The only way to secure the border is with high tech motion detectors and more border patrol stations that can respond quickly. Something they can see, can and will always be compromised, something they can't see won't even be attempted.

You had a Republican full house for two years, why in the hell do you think they didn't vote for it.

Here's 2-1/2 minutes of reasons.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.
President Donald Trump’s promise to build a wall along our Southern border will save countless innocent lives. Our Border Patrol agents have seen firsthand the success of a border wall in Yuma, Ariz. — which serves as a prime example of how investments in personnel, technology and a border wall can turn the tide against a flood of illegal immigration and secure our homeland.

For years, Yuma sector was besieged by chaos as a nearly unending flood of migrants and drugs poured across our border. Even as agents were arresting on average 800 illegal aliens a day, we were still unable to stop the thousands of trucks filled with drugs and humans that quickly crossed a vanishing point and dispersed into communities all across the country.



It is hard for anyone familiar with Yuma sector today to imagine this scene. That’s because nearly a decade ago, a group of bipartisan lawmakers came together to protect the homeland, save innocent lives, and build a physical barrier across the border.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.

First it's a fence and not wall and it certainly can crossed.

Oh, didn't you know? A stunt like that will bring instant electrocution because the wall will be electrified.

The wall will most likely be built of concrete, so that's total bullshit.

The empirical evidence shows that the wall will be 100% effective where it actually exists.

That's a crock of B.S,

The only way to secure the border is with high tech motion detectors and more border patrol stations that can respond quickly. Something they can see, can and will always be compromised, something they can't see won't even be attempted.

You had a Republican full house for two years, why in the hell do you think they didn't vote for it.

Here's 2-1/2 minutes of reasons.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.
President Donald Trump’s promise to build a wall along our Southern border will save countless innocent lives. Our Border Patrol agents have seen firsthand the success of a border wall in Yuma, Ariz. — which serves as a prime example of how investments in personnel, technology and a border wall can turn the tide against a flood of illegal immigration and secure our homeland.

For years, Yuma sector was besieged by chaos as a nearly unending flood of migrants and drugs poured across our border. Even as agents were arresting on average 800 illegal aliens a day, we were still unable to stop the thousands of trucks filled with drugs and humans that quickly crossed a vanishing point and dispersed into communities all across the country.

It is hard for anyone familiar with Yuma sector today to imagine this scene. That’s because nearly a decade ago, a group of bipartisan lawmakers came together to protect the homeland, save innocent lives, and build a physical barrier across the border.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.

First it's a fence and not wall and it certainly can crossed.

Oh, didn't you know? A stunt like that will bring instant electrocution because the wall will be electrified.

The wall will most likely be built of concrete, so that's total bullshit.

Ever see a jackhammer go through cement like a hot knife through butter? Ever heard of a cement saw? These items with a sludge hammer can make a very big hole in any cement wall within minutes.



And let's not forget about those tunnels.

The ins and outs of U.S.-Mexico border tunnels

 

[cnm]

 

[oreo]

Yeah I don't think we've ever seen a President use extortion to fulfill a campaign promise when his promise went very bad. The Mexican President told him to F-off at least 3 times during the campaign season, but Trump's half brained base apparently never heard that message.

 

[beautress]

Well, dear leftist locksteppers,

Your plan worked. You brought out their best stench in Mexico. And you know how they showed it?

They've been spilling sewage into the Pacific Ocean by breaking a cesspool pipe for the city of Tijuana, and the current is taking it all along the Southern California Coastline. You lefties know how to bring out the best in your dud ideas that you can trust Mexico to take care of its own people.

Spill in Mexico sending millions of gallons of sewage into coastal waters off California

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And as long as you're badmouthing President Donald and First Lady Melania Trump to death, they're going to keep it coming. It's been spewing out Tijuana since December 7 with no end in sight. Y'all oughta go out there and sniff around the S. Cal beaches, as if their fires weren't enough. Oh, and sewage IS flammable in some concentrations. Why should the neighbors respect our nation if you continue the drivel of disrespect for this American President. You're playing dirty, and you're getting really smelly and infectious dirt for it.

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[beautress]

The empirical evidence shows that the wall will be 100% effective where it actually exists.

That's a crock of B.S,

The only way to secure the border is with high tech motion detectors and more border patrol stations that can respond quickly. Something they can see, can and will always be compromised, something they can't see won't even be attempted.

You had a Republican full house for two years, why in the hell do you think they didn't vote for it.

Here's 2-1/2 minutes of reasons.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.
President Donald Trump’s promise to build a wall along our Southern border will save countless innocent lives. Our Border Patrol agents have seen firsthand the success of a border wall in Yuma, Ariz. — which serves as a prime example of how investments in personnel, technology and a border wall can turn the tide against a flood of illegal immigration and secure our homeland.

For years, Yuma sector was besieged by chaos as a nearly unending flood of migrants and drugs poured across our border. Even as agents were arresting on average 800 illegal aliens a day, we were still unable to stop the thousands of trucks filled with drugs and humans that quickly crossed a vanishing point and dispersed into communities all across the country.

It is hard for anyone familiar with Yuma sector today to imagine this scene. That’s because nearly a decade ago, a group of bipartisan lawmakers came together to protect the homeland, save innocent lives, and build a physical barrier across the border.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.

First it's a fence and not wall and it certainly can crossed.

Oh, didn't you know? A stunt like that will bring instant electrocution because the wall will be electrified.

Rubber tires have no problems with electricity--- Furthermore I doubt a 1000 mile wall is going to have electricity within a 1000 miles to plug into. I think some of you people are doing your own WALLLLLLLL design. An electric 1000 wall has never been discussed. So I assume you're getting your idea's from the usual suspect.

Apparently you're not reading this thread's posts, Mr. Oreo. Mr. Bripat already made that clear, and I accepted his critique because he was correct. I know very little about wall construction, and thanks to this thread, I'm understanding the great challenge that building the Great Wall to force Mexico to take care of its own masses of people is going to be a huge challenge. If Mexico doesn't stop the flow, we need to declare war against them and take them out and give their masses the relief they are not getting due to lack of employment and zero opportunities for them there. They haven't been in a rush to take care of the Pacific Ocean, either, and they are killing a lot of fish with human wastes they're sending up the Pacific Coast according to this article: Spill in Mexico sending millions of gallons of sewage into coastal waters off California

 

[beautress]

More articles about our neighbors to the south sending sewage our way and demanding the big bucks (Fifty Thousand apiece) for not admitting the caravan of 15,000 illegal migrants.

https://www.latimes.com/resizer/DKV...4/turbine/sd-1544638794-ae6b0pjbee-snap-image

Spill in Mexico sending millions of gallons of sewage into coastal waters off California

Oh, and those poor, poor, mistreated migrants in Tijuana? They want America to pay them $50,000.00 American dollars apiece
for not letting them cross the borders. I don't think America owes them anything.
Migrant group demands Trump either let them in or pay them each $50G to turn around: report
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[bripat9643]

That's a crock of B.S,

The only way to secure the border is with high tech motion detectors and more border patrol stations that can respond quickly. Something they can see, can and will always be compromised, something they can't see won't even be attempted.

You had a Republican full house for two years, why in the hell do you think they didn't vote for it.

Here's 2-1/2 minutes of reasons.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.
President Donald Trump’s promise to build a wall along our Southern border will save countless innocent lives. Our Border Patrol agents have seen firsthand the success of a border wall in Yuma, Ariz. — which serves as a prime example of how investments in personnel, technology and a border wall can turn the tide against a flood of illegal immigration and secure our homeland.

For years, Yuma sector was besieged by chaos as a nearly unending flood of migrants and drugs poured across our border. Even as agents were arresting on average 800 illegal aliens a day, we were still unable to stop the thousands of trucks filled with drugs and humans that quickly crossed a vanishing point and dispersed into communities all across the country.



It is hard for anyone familiar with Yuma sector today to imagine this scene. That’s because nearly a decade ago, a group of bipartisan lawmakers came together to protect the homeland, save innocent lives, and build a physical barrier across the border.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.

First it's a fence and not wall and it certainly can crossed.

Oh, didn't you know? A stunt like that will bring instant electrocution because the wall will be electrified.

The wall will most likely be built of concrete, so that's total bullshit.

That's a crock of B.S,

The only way to secure the border is with high tech motion detectors and more border patrol stations that can respond quickly. Something they can see, can and will always be compromised, something they can't see won't even be attempted.

You had a Republican full house for two years, why in the hell do you think they didn't vote for it.

Here's 2-1/2 minutes of reasons.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.
President Donald Trump’s promise to build a wall along our Southern border will save countless innocent lives. Our Border Patrol agents have seen firsthand the success of a border wall in Yuma, Ariz. — which serves as a prime example of how investments in personnel, technology and a border wall can turn the tide against a flood of illegal immigration and secure our homeland.

For years, Yuma sector was besieged by chaos as a nearly unending flood of migrants and drugs poured across our border. Even as agents were arresting on average 800 illegal aliens a day, we were still unable to stop the thousands of trucks filled with drugs and humans that quickly crossed a vanishing point and dispersed into communities all across the country.

It is hard for anyone familiar with Yuma sector today to imagine this scene. That’s because nearly a decade ago, a group of bipartisan lawmakers came together to protect the homeland, save innocent lives, and build a physical barrier across the border.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.

First it's a fence and not wall and it certainly can crossed.

Oh, didn't you know? A stunt like that will bring instant electrocution because the wall will be electrified.

The wall will most likely be built of concrete, so that's total bullshit.

Ever see a jackhammer go through cement like a hot knife through butter? Ever heard of a cement saw? These items with a sludge hammer can make a very big hole in any cement wall within minutes.



And let's not forget about those tunnels.

The ins and outs of U.S.-Mexico border tunnels

Yeah, those ignorant peasants who can't even afford bus fare to Tijuana have money to buy a jack hammer, an air compressor and a truck to haul them in. It's still going to take at least 30 minutes to set it up and then create the hole. The border patrol will be there in 5 minutes to detain them.

Did you ever hear of mental retardation? You should go see your doctor to have yourself tested for it.

 

[Cellblock2429]

No, we have an environmental problem, Dan. Millions of people a year flooding over our borders, a few with another 9/11 attack plans in their backpacks, and that takes a lot of additional landfills to accommodate them, which have to be paid for with half a dozen federal agencies involved in the oversight of America's water tables. In 1991, it took the state of Virginia $1 Billion Dollars to clean up a 25-mile area of water table lands that were affected by half a dozen parks in a 2 square mile radius that had infected animals brought there to have them pee and poop because their owners lived in apartments with no yard space for their pets. The particular organism in the excrement also infected a local population of wild mammals and birds. In humans, there was a greater than normal number of nonsmokers getting malignant lung cancer from the infected water table.

It's complicated, but our Latin neighbors have no compunctions in the past about dumping on our doorstep even more criminally insane criminals, insane asylum candidates, serial rapists, AIDs-infected night ladies, rowdies ready to join paramilitary groups and buy armaments, and poor people their higher classes refused to employ so they could have more money. I know we will educate, feed, clothe, hospitalize, experience citizen deaths until the serial murderers are caught, and enable to purchase housing for their families when they get here. But we will also have to get a lot more creative with trash disposal that each million accepted here will invoke. But with each kindness, groups replacing LaRaza which historically has planned political coups to remove themselves from the nation at large and/or take over border states and become a rogue nation replete with punishments for citizens that exceeds the cruelty of their DNA ancestors of the Mayan Inca tribes whose religion incorporates repugnant things done to children. Because we are a nation that allows freedom of religion, a religion demanding criminal behaviors would take advantage of our generosity, and once away from traditional Missions in Mexico, that wild side could reappear in this nation, which would please certain supportive entities from abroad whose goal is to snag everybody into their killing ways, female mutilations, and other unspeakable things.

We need to tell the world, that not only are we done, we will not tolerate disciplining wives with dismissible murder as the chief alternative, thankyouverymuch.

We have a general welfare clause not a general warfare clause.

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization

Quote: We have a general welfare clause not a general warfare clause. To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization
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We already have rules established, Dan. It's just that the illegals do not respect them because they already have hundreds of miles of areas where they can sneak across with a 50-50 chance they will be undetected. Interpretation: for every 3,000,000 illegal crossers, 1,500,000 of them get it. And since it is already recorded that many crossers have already been escorted back to Mexico, by their 10th crossing at least one of those times they are undetected illegal crossers, all they need is a false id that resembles a green card when they get to a farm or factory where ids aren't looked upon too carefully.

Why not just let it go, Dan. Most of us do not continue on if we lose 9 chances at much of anything. (Oops, I forgot about Vegas...) Well, anyhow, it only takes one open window to a place where persistence will also make them employed sooner or later.​

Ellis Island used to be able to process thousands per day. There should be no refugees waiting for processing on our border.

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization

When you mention Ellis Island and what used to be, are you saying you don't care for the wait-your-turn policy on immigration? It's been in place for years, to help integrate people from a variety of nations to get a chance at the American Dream. Are you also in favor of allowing only one area of the world push its way in here?

I guess I do differ with you on that count. I love the Mexican people who live here, but I also enjoy knowing that as Americans, we have many nations touching us when a fair number from each country is allowed in.

Mexico unfortunately is the neighbor who sees an opportunity to overpopulate our nation rather than its own with people it wants nothing to do with. They send us car thieves, home invaders, patients with incurable mental and physical diseases, etc. for the sole purpose of benefitting financially from the money they send back to Mexico to support an economy that so entitles its rich it ignores and reduces its poor to a life of bitterness and poverty. AND they see an opening for America solving all their problems and making their rich classes richer than ever.

Our existing immigration policies stands for equal opportunities to a variety of people. The illegal practice of sending us only problems so far, allows a corrupt Mexico to sing "Don't worry, be happy" all day and all night. It is not fair to the unsung scientist who goes unappreciated in another country who's been waiting for 20 years for his ok to come here, and now, never can because his space has been filled 10,000 times with Mexico's problems.

We finally got one person elected to office who will deal like an adult with the moochers to the south, and what happens? Y'all go all out to kick him in the groin on a constant basis for things he did from the first time he sneezed as a child to frowning at a member of the ninnyhammer press.

Mexico will benefit by having to grow up enough to take care of their own. We will have to get all our druggy kids out of the slammer and put them in the orchards, so what. It'll benefit everyone concerned if we take away the border tit and make Mexico grow more beans.

Mexico is a moochie moochie.
It just wants to eat your cookie.
Say "Adios" to tribulation,
Singing "stupid gringos,- celebration."

I keep seeing people saying Mexico is sending us their murders, rapists, thrives, home invaders, and the mental and physical disabled. Exactly how is the government doing this. Do they buy them plane tickets or maybe they drive them up to border and help them over fence.

/----/ You're way too young (9 maybe on your next birthday) to remember this. But Mexico can send us their undesirables just like Castro did. (Watch the movie Scarface if your parents will allow it.) https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/castro-announces-mariel-boatlift
In 1980, the boatlift also began to have negative political implications for U.S.President Jimmy Carter. When it was discovered that a number of the exiles had been released from Cuban jails and mental health facilities, many were placed in refugee camps while others were held in federal prisons to undergo deportation hearings.

 

[beautress]

From the youtube folks: The Trump-Pelosi-Schumer discussion on the Wall: Schumer and Pelosi utterly failed their strident effort to make President Trump look bad, above ALL ELSE! Pelosi outdid her most shrill diatribe yet. Edit: the full video is about 17 minutes long.

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[Ray From Cleveland]

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.
President Donald Trump’s promise to build a wall along our Southern border will save countless innocent lives. Our Border Patrol agents have seen firsthand the success of a border wall in Yuma, Ariz. — which serves as a prime example of how investments in personnel, technology and a border wall can turn the tide against a flood of illegal immigration and secure our homeland.

For years, Yuma sector was besieged by chaos as a nearly unending flood of migrants and drugs poured across our border. Even as agents were arresting on average 800 illegal aliens a day, we were still unable to stop the thousands of trucks filled with drugs and humans that quickly crossed a vanishing point and dispersed into communities all across the country.



It is hard for anyone familiar with Yuma sector today to imagine this scene. That’s because nearly a decade ago, a group of bipartisan lawmakers came together to protect the homeland, save innocent lives, and build a physical barrier across the border.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.

First it's a fence and not wall and it certainly can crossed.

Oh, didn't you know? A stunt like that will bring instant electrocution because the wall will be electrified.

The wall will most likely be built of concrete, so that's total bullshit.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.
President Donald Trump’s promise to build a wall along our Southern border will save countless innocent lives. Our Border Patrol agents have seen firsthand the success of a border wall in Yuma, Ariz. — which serves as a prime example of how investments in personnel, technology and a border wall can turn the tide against a flood of illegal immigration and secure our homeland.

For years, Yuma sector was besieged by chaos as a nearly unending flood of migrants and drugs poured across our border. Even as agents were arresting on average 800 illegal aliens a day, we were still unable to stop the thousands of trucks filled with drugs and humans that quickly crossed a vanishing point and dispersed into communities all across the country.

It is hard for anyone familiar with Yuma sector today to imagine this scene. That’s because nearly a decade ago, a group of bipartisan lawmakers came together to protect the homeland, save innocent lives, and build a physical barrier across the border.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.

First it's a fence and not wall and it certainly can crossed.

Oh, didn't you know? A stunt like that will bring instant electrocution because the wall will be electrified.

The wall will most likely be built of concrete, so that's total bullshit.

Ever see a jackhammer go through cement like a hot knife through butter? Ever heard of a cement saw? These items with a sludge hammer can make a very big hole in any cement wall within minutes.



And let's not forget about those tunnels.

The ins and outs of U.S.-Mexico border tunnels

Yeah, those ignorant peasants who can't even afford bus fare to Tijuana have money to buy a jack hammer, an air compressor and a truck to haul them in. It's still going to take at least 30 minutes to set it up and then create the hole. The border patrol will be there in 5 minutes to detain them.

Did you ever hear of mental retardation? You should go see your doctor to have yourself tested for it.

They'll use the $50,000 each that Trump is going to give them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The empirical evidence shows that the wall will be 100% effective where it actually exists.

That's a crock of B.S,

The only way to secure the border is with high tech motion detectors and more border patrol stations that can respond quickly. Something they can see, can and will always be compromised, something they can't see won't even be attempted.

You had a Republican full house for two years, why in the hell do you think they didn't vote for it.

Here's 2-1/2 minutes of reasons.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.
President Donald Trump’s promise to build a wall along our Southern border will save countless innocent lives. Our Border Patrol agents have seen firsthand the success of a border wall in Yuma, Ariz. — which serves as a prime example of how investments in personnel, technology and a border wall can turn the tide against a flood of illegal immigration and secure our homeland.

For years, Yuma sector was besieged by chaos as a nearly unending flood of migrants and drugs poured across our border. Even as agents were arresting on average 800 illegal aliens a day, we were still unable to stop the thousands of trucks filled with drugs and humans that quickly crossed a vanishing point and dispersed into communities all across the country.

It is hard for anyone familiar with Yuma sector today to imagine this scene. That’s because nearly a decade ago, a group of bipartisan lawmakers came together to protect the homeland, save innocent lives, and build a physical barrier across the border.

Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it.

First it's a fence and not wall and it certainly can crossed.

Oh, didn't you know? A stunt like that will bring instant electrocution because the wall will be electrified.

Rubber tires have no problems with electricity--- Furthermore I doubt a 1000 mile wall is going to have electricity within a 1000 miles to plug into. I think some of you people are doing your own WALLLLLLLL design. An electric 1000 wall has never been discussed. So I assume you're getting your idea's from the usual suspect.

Correct, we won't have a state of the art wall thanks to Democrats. The more money for the wall we have, the better and more effective wall. But the problem isn't the ability of a wall, the problem is Democrats.

 

[August West]

An illegal that was in Pittsburgh was deported for the 4th time last year. When asked how he was getting into the country illegally he said he used forged documents. The wall would be a monument to Republican stupidity.

 

[ColonelAngus]

It’s a waste of money . If the goal is to address illegal immigration, then that money is better spent in other ways .

More ins agents , more immigrantion courts , more judges . More enforcement vs companies who hire illegals . That’s a better use if the money .

After the fact.

Wall stops it from inception.

We don’t need more immigration we need the immigrants we want and need.

 

[Geaux4it]

These illegals are not welcome here. Build the wall and drastically reduce illegal crossings thus reducing the burden on ICE and the courts

-Geaux

 

[ColonelAngus]

Building a wall will WORK in stopping illegal immigrants on.

That’s why the left doesn’t want it.

Period.

 

[Lesh]

IF the wall could be built (2000 miles across land not currently owned by the government) and IF it were 100% effective (which is beyond unlikely) that would do NOTHING about the 60% of illegals who enter the country through other means.

Does that sound like a reasonable way to spend 30-50 billion dollars?

Sure. Build the fucking thing. Make me look like a genius.

 

[danielpalos]

we have a refugee problem not a common defense problem.

No refugees no problem. They are an unarmed invading force.

we don't have a general warfare clause. it is a general welfare clause.

Protect and defend our country do you not understand?

Our Constitution is Express not Implied. Only the right wing believes in Everything for the general warfare and nothing for the general welfare.

Quote: " Only the right wing believes in Everything for the general warfare and nothing for the general welfare."​

Uh, 'scuse me. I know a lot of Republicans who do not own a gun nor care for war, many of whom are missing a body part due to having fought in one. You need to watch those generalized and glossed-over accusations. Even those of us Republicans who believe life starts at conception and should be protected, we are quite at peace on Sunday of sitting next to someone in the same pew who donated $20,000 to the local planned unborn citizen murder factory. And we make no retaliations whatever, because we may believe that forgiveness or punishment is God's job, not ours. However, this drain of unborn citizens is nearing the fifty-million mark, and we will pay a price as a people for this atrocity even if it breaks some of our hearts to think about all that suffering of youngsters who haven't been born yet and when they get here they'll already be gone.

nobody takes the right wing seriously about natural rights. mining the border is what the right wing would rather do.