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Here's how atheists moderate Christianity, if they manage to gain the support of the state:
The labels really don't seem to matter.
In response to your repeated, unsubstantiated claims that Christians persecute people willy-nilly and need to be moderated by an atheist state.
Christians don't need to be moderated by an atheist state. Rather, religious people sometimes have to be moderated by a secular state. The state should be secular, and the people should have religious freedom. The moderation should come in only when necessary, for example any time a religious practice DOES interfere with others' freedoms. I think the atheists tend to exaggerate the coercive behavior of Christians, but it does not remove the necessity for a secular government in a free society, nor the necessity for religious freedom.
Hmm, not sure what you're getting at. I've presented no dichotomy. Just pointing out a glaring logical fallacy. You're calling atheism 'the religion of death' because it was endorsed by despotic regimes. Skipping over the obvious category error (it's not a religion),
ROFL
Right, Richard Dawkins isn't another Oral Roberts or something....
We've been down this path a hundred times. I am an Agnostic. I neither accept nor reject the notion of a god. Atheism is the affirmative rejection of the possibility of a god or the supernatural. Their is no evidence to support such a position, ergo Atheism is based on faith.
Hmm, not sure what you're getting at. I've presented no dichotomy. Just pointing out a glaring logical fallacy. You're calling atheism 'the religion of death' because it was endorsed by despotic regimes. Skipping over the obvious category error (it's not a religion),
ROFL
Right, Richard Dawkins isn't another Oral Roberts or something....
Exactly! To atheists, Dawkins isn't a revered holy man. Just another jackass with an opinion.
We've been down this path a hundred times. I am an Agnostic. I neither accept nor reject the notion of a god. Atheism is the affirmative rejection of the possibility of a god or the supernatural. Their is no evidence to support such a position, ergo Atheism is based on faith.
Well, our disagreement seems to be based on terminology more than anything. I take 'atheism' at face value - it's nothing more (or less) than a lack of theistic belief. I'd also dispute your apparent (mis-)understanding of agnosticism. It isn't a middle ground between accepting or rejecting the existence of god(s). It's a perspective that views "god" as an un-provable proposition. The point of agnosticism is that we can't ever obtain knowledge of the existence, or proof of the non-existence, of gods. The thing is atheism and agnosticism don't contradict. Neither do belief and agnosticism. One can be a true believer in a particular god, and an agnostic - "I believe, but understand that what I believe cannot be proven". Likewise, one can lack faith in any god (atheist) and also be an agnostic. "I don't believe, but understand that I cannot prove gods don't exist."
You should read up on the terms. It might alter your stated positions. And then, it might not. But at least you'd present an informed opinion.
I'm more at odds with the repeated claims that people seeking to establish Christian theocracies are just as brutal and dangerous as those who establish atheist and muslim regimes.
I keep asking for the evidence of current oppression by Christian tyrants....anything to support the assertion that Christians as *just as bad* and that Christians are just as big a threat, and that Christians are seeking to establish a theocracy....so far, nobody has coughed up a single example, a single picture, a single piece of proposed legislation, a single NAME.
Meanwhile, atheists, with the blessing of the state in China, in North Korea, and in other countries where religion is forbidden, are killing and torturing Christians who dare to worship God...right NOW. While totalitarians in this country insist that the only way to stop violence is for the state to remove freedom of religion and replace it with laws that make it illegal to raise your children in the church, or mention God outside the confines of your own home.
I'm more at odds with the repeated claims that people seeking to establish Christian theocracies are just as brutal and dangerous as those who establish atheist and muslim regimes.
I keep asking for the evidence of current oppression by Christian tyrants....anything to support the assertion that Christians as *just as bad* and that Christians are just as big a threat, and that Christians are seeking to establish a theocracy....so far, nobody has coughed up a single example, a single picture, a single piece of proposed legislation, a single NAME.
Meanwhile, atheists, with the blessing of the state in China, in North Korea, and in other countries where religion is forbidden, are killing and torturing Christians who dare to worship God...right NOW. While totalitarians in this country insist that the only way to stop violence is for the state to remove freedom of religion and replace it with laws that make it illegal to raise your children in the church, or mention God outside the confines of your own home.
I'm more at odds with the repeated claims that people seeking to establish Christian theocracies are just as brutal and dangerous as those who establish atheist and muslim regimes.
I keep asking for the evidence of current oppression by Christian tyrants....anything to support the assertion that Christians as *just as bad* and that Christians are just as big a threat, and that Christians are seeking to establish a theocracy....so far, nobody has coughed up a single example, a single picture, a single piece of proposed legislation, a single NAME.
Meanwhile, atheists, with the blessing of the state in China, in North Korea, and in other countries where religion is forbidden, are killing and torturing Christians who dare to worship God...right NOW. While totalitarians in this country insist that the only way to stop violence is for the state to remove freedom of religion and replace it with laws that make it illegal to raise your children in the church, or mention God outside the confines of your own home.
It sounds like you're pinning a lot of things on atheism that don't have anything to do with it. Despotic governments come in all stripes, with differing attitudes toward religion. Judging all atheists for the actions of North Korea's government is no more valid than holding all Christians accountable for the Spanish Inquisition.
I'm more at odds with the repeated claims that people seeking to establish Christian theocracies are just as brutal and dangerous as those who establish atheist and muslim regimes.
I keep asking for the evidence of current oppression by Christian tyrants....anything to support the assertion that Christians as *just as bad* and that Christians are just as big a threat, and that Christians are seeking to establish a theocracy....so far, nobody has coughed up a single example, a single picture, a single piece of proposed legislation, a single NAME.
Meanwhile, atheists, with the blessing of the state in China, in North Korea, and in other countries where religion is forbidden, are killing and torturing Christians who dare to worship God...right NOW. While totalitarians in this country insist that the only way to stop violence is for the state to remove freedom of religion and replace it with laws that make it illegal to raise your children in the church, or mention God outside the confines of your own home.
It's really very simple. It's not about ideology. It's about wealth.
Regimes during bad times need to be brutal to maintain their regimes. This is why christians were brutal during the dark ages, muslims are often brutal now (in the poorest countries primarily) and atheist are brutal in the shit hole of North Korea (less so now in China as they become more wealthy). Christian countries right now are generally the wealthiest in the world. And have been for the last hundred years or so.
Brutality is not part of the ideology in and of itself. It is a means to an end. A tool used in desperate situations.
Where exactly are these "christian countries"? Is there a country somewhere with christianity as the State religion?I'm more at odds with the repeated claims that people seeking to establish Christian theocracies are just as brutal and dangerous as those who establish atheist and muslim regimes.
I keep asking for the evidence of current oppression by Christian tyrants....anything to support the assertion that Christians as *just as bad* and that Christians are just as big a threat, and that Christians are seeking to establish a theocracy....so far, nobody has coughed up a single example, a single picture, a single piece of proposed legislation, a single NAME.
Meanwhile, atheists, with the blessing of the state in China, in North Korea, and in other countries where religion is forbidden, are killing and torturing Christians who dare to worship God...right NOW. While totalitarians in this country insist that the only way to stop violence is for the state to remove freedom of religion and replace it with laws that make it illegal to raise your children in the church, or mention God outside the confines of your own home.
It's really very simple. It's not about ideology. It's about wealth.
Regimes during bad times need to be brutal to maintain their regimes. This is why christians were brutal during the dark ages, muslims are often brutal now (in the poorest countries primarily) and atheist are brutal in the shit hole of North Korea (less so now in China as they become more wealthy). Christian countries right now are generally the wealthiest in the world. And have been for the last hundred years or so.
Brutality is not part of the ideology in and of itself. It is a means to an end. A tool used in desperate situations.
Give me EXAMPLES. I'm so sick of the juvenile method of argument, where these assertions are made with absolutely no detail. What christians were brutal in the dark ages?
I don't buy that it's about money. Poverty and famine follow where totalitarianism leads, though. Christian countries are wealthier because they are freer.
Where exactly are these "christian countries"? Is there a country somewhere with christianity as the State religion?It's really very simple. It's not about ideology. It's about wealth.
Regimes during bad times need to be brutal to maintain their regimes. This is why christians were brutal during the dark ages, muslims are often brutal now (in the poorest countries primarily) and atheist are brutal in the shit hole of North Korea (less so now in China as they become more wealthy). Christian countries right now are generally the wealthiest in the world. And have been for the last hundred years or so.
Brutality is not part of the ideology in and of itself. It is a means to an end. A tool used in desperate situations.
Give me EXAMPLES. I'm so sick of the juvenile method of argument, where these assertions are made with absolutely no detail. What christians were brutal in the dark ages?
I don't buy that it's about money. Poverty and famine follow where totalitarianism leads, though. Christian countries are wealthier because they are freer.
Many Western nations are freer vs. Middle Eastern nations because religion is not mandated by theocratic despots. Europe was once under the boot heel of Christian theocratic totalitarianism. It was a period known as the Dark Ages.
Have you ever met a Muslim who was an asshole?
Have you ever met a Christian who was an asshole?
You see a pattern here?
Have you ever met an Atheist who was an asshole?
Have you ever met a Muslim who was an asshole?
And I've met some Muslims who were not assholes.
Have you ever met a Christian who was an asshole?
And I've met Christians who were not assholes.
You see a pattern here?
Have you ever met an Atheist who was an asshole?
Ooops, pattern broken....
I'm more at odds with the repeated claims that people seeking to establish Christian theocracies are just as brutal and dangerous as those who establish atheist and muslim regimes.
I keep asking for the evidence of current oppression by Christian tyrants....anything to support the assertion that Christians as *just as bad* and that Christians are just as big a threat, and that Christians are seeking to establish a theocracy....so far, nobody has coughed up a single example, a single picture, a single piece of proposed legislation, a single NAME.
Meanwhile, atheists, with the blessing of the state in China, in North Korea, and in other countries where religion is forbidden, are killing and torturing Christians who dare to worship God...right NOW. While totalitarians in this country insist that the only way to stop violence is for the state to remove freedom of religion and replace it with laws that make it illegal to raise your children in the church, or mention God outside the confines of your own home.
It's really very simple. It's not about ideology. It's about wealth.
Regimes during bad times need to be brutal to maintain their regimes. This is why christians were brutal during the dark ages, muslims are often brutal now (in the poorest countries primarily) and atheist are brutal in the shit hole of North Korea (less so now in China as they become more wealthy). Christian countries right now are generally the wealthiest in the world. And have been for the last hundred years or so.
Brutality is not part of the ideology in and of itself. It is a means to an end. A tool used in desperate situations.
Give me EXAMPLES. I'm so sick of the juvenile method of argument, where these assertions are made with absolutely no detail. What christians were brutal in the dark ages?
I don't buy that it's about money. Poverty and famine follow where totalitarianism leads, though. Christian countries are wealthier because they are freer.
And of course, your nonsense has already been refuted by me.
Which in 500 YEARS killed less people than Atheist champion Mao Tse Tung on a good week....
When it comes to slaughter, there is no ism like Atheism...
