Why is naturalism considered scientific and creationism is not ?

[Toddsterpatriot]

What sugar are you speaking of ? how does it gain in complexity ?

Photosynthesis. Plants take CO2 and H2O and with the energy from sunlight, produce sugar.

Sugar is more complex than CO2 and H2O. Get it?

This argument is worse than the one I thought you were making.

This is just part of the carbon cycle. The carbon cycle would not exist without Photosynthesis but Photosynthesis is only responsible for building part of the carbon cycle.Photosynthesis is responsible for processing oxygen as well.

Photosynthetic cells found in green plants, during the cycle of photosynthesis, these cells use C02 and the suns energy to make the sugar molecules and 02 you have went on about. These sugar molecules are used to produce molecules through a photosynthetic cell, such as glucose.


Just one part of many in a cycle. You seem to use a natural cycle for the basis of your argument for increasing complexity which is nonsense. What produced these cells ? and started the cycle ?

You seem to use a natural cycle for the basis of your argument for increasing complexity which is nonsense.

Yes, a natural cycle which proves your 2nd Law error.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Todd, I will add that there is nothing about natural cycles of living organisms not being complex. Which really is a solid argument for a designer and not spontaneous generation and undirected processes.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Photosynthesis. Plants take CO2 and H2O and with the energy from sunlight, produce sugar.

Sugar is more complex than CO2 and H2O. Get it?

This argument is worse than the one I thought you were making.

This is just part of the carbon cycle. The carbon cycle would not exist without Photosynthesis but Photosynthesis is only responsible for building part of the carbon cycle.Photosynthesis is responsible for processing oxygen as well.

Photosynthetic cells found in green plants, during the cycle of photosynthesis, these cells use C02 and the suns energy to make the sugar molecules and 02 you have went on about. These sugar molecules are used to produce molecules through a photosynthetic cell, such as glucose.


Just one part of many in a cycle. You seem to use a natural cycle for the basis of your argument for increasing complexity which is nonsense. What produced these cells ? and started the cycle ?

You seem to use a natural cycle for the basis of your argument for increasing complexity which is nonsense.

Yes, a natural cycle which proves your 2nd Law error.

First you have to prove what formed and programmed the cell that does this work.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This argument is worse than the one I thought you were making.

This is just part of the carbon cycle. The carbon cycle would not exist without Photosynthesis but Photosynthesis is only responsible for building part of the carbon cycle.Photosynthesis is responsible for processing oxygen as well.

Photosynthetic cells found in green plants, during the cycle of photosynthesis, these cells use C02 and the suns energy to make the sugar molecules and 02 you have went on about. These sugar molecules are used to produce molecules through a photosynthetic cell, such as glucose.


Just one part of many in a cycle. You seem to use a natural cycle for the basis of your argument for increasing complexity which is nonsense. What produced these cells ? and started the cycle ?

You seem to use a natural cycle for the basis of your argument for increasing complexity which is nonsense.

Yes, a natural cycle which proves your 2nd Law error.

First you have to prove what formed and programmed the cell that does this work.

No I don't, I just have to point to sugar as proof that you don't understand the 2nd Law.

 

[Youwerecreated]

You seem to use a natural cycle for the basis of your argument for increasing complexity which is nonsense.

Yes, a natural cycle which proves your 2nd Law error.

First you have to prove what formed and programmed the cell that does this work.

No I don't, I just have to point to sugar as proof that you don't understand the 2nd Law.

You are so totally wrong. The Universe was totally chaotic and experiencing an increase in entropy and disorder from the beginning. some how over came the 2nd law to produce order yeah right. There is only one way that was possible but you have shown you are not interested in that view no matter what the evidence dictates.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

First you have to prove what formed and programmed the cell that does this work.

No I don't, I just have to point to sugar as proof that you don't understand the 2nd Law.

You are so totally wrong. The Universe was totally chaotic and experiencing an increase in entropy and disorder from the beginning. some how over came the 2nd law to produce order yeah right. There is only one way that was possible but you have shown you are not interested in that view no matter what the evidence dictates.

some how over came the 2nd law to produce order yeah right.

Photosynthesis creates order everyday, all it takes is light.

Get out of the dark, you'll see it too.

 

[daws101]

Is this for 8th graders lol

your childish retort certainly is ..
the material is college and grad school.

Just because it has the name of Stanford attached to it

dodge! but a fine display of wilful ignorance!

 

[daws101]

So what's your point concerning sugar ?

The Australian sugar industry has been suffering from low world sugar prices over the past decade, increasingly competitive world markets for sugar, and the recent strengthening of the Australian dollar. Keating, Antony, Brennan, and Wegener (2002) suggested that the industry will need to diversify into other forms of value-added products to regain former levels of profitability, since productivity gains of the order of 2-3% per year are needed just to meet the cost-price squeeze faced by Australian farmers. Although existing lines of research made sugarcane production more efficient, a step up to new levels of profitability is needed in the industry—and that will depend on creating and applying new knowledge. Due to the potential for new alternative uses for cane, such as supplying high-value niche markets with a variety of products, Hildebrand (2002) also emphasized the need for further analyses into product diversification as a way of increasing industry returns.

A new Cooperative Research Center (CRC for Sugar Industry Innovation through Biotechnology) was created in July 2003. This collaborative research joint venture seeks to make sugarcane production more profitable through cane improvement and industry diversification through the application of biotechnology.

AgBioForum 6(4): Genetically Modified Sugarcane: A Case for Alternate Products

he's not talking about cane sugar slapdick...

Then explain to me what kind of sugar he is speaking of ? and how it gained in complexity.

is this an admission that you really didn't study genetic or even basic biology?
if you really were as edumacated as you say the "sugars" should be easy! here's a hint: carbohydrate.

 

[Youwerecreated]

No I don't, I just have to point to sugar as proof that you don't understand the 2nd Law.

You are so totally wrong. The Universe was totally chaotic and experiencing an increase in entropy and disorder from the beginning. some how over came the 2nd law to produce order yeah right. There is only one way that was possible but you have shown you are not interested in that view no matter what the evidence dictates.

some how over came the 2nd law to produce order yeah right.

Photosynthesis creates order everyday, all it takes is light.

Get out of the dark, you'll see it too.

It's not just energy that does this,if you do not have mechanisms in play the energy will not do anything. Leave your car out in the sun and watch what happens. Heck stay out in the sun as much as you can and see what happens. Some organisms have mechanisms to deal with the sunlight on a daily basis but most organisms do not.

The suns energy is necessary that we can agree on.

 

[Youwerecreated]

he's not talking about cane sugar slapdick...

Then explain to me what kind of sugar he is speaking of ? and how it gained in complexity.

is this an admission that you really didn't study genetic or even basic biology?
if you really were as edumacated as you say the "sugars" should be easy! question . here's a hint: carbohydrate.

No I thought I had it right the first time or I wouldn't have asked.

 

[Youwerecreated]

your childish retort certainly is ..
the material is college and grad school.

Just because it has the name of Stanford attached to it

dodge! but a fine display of wilful ignorance!

The stuff you quoted is taught at a young age bonehead.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You are so totally wrong. The Universe was totally chaotic and experiencing an increase in entropy and disorder from the beginning. some how over came the 2nd law to produce order yeah right. There is only one way that was possible but you have shown you are not interested in that view no matter what the evidence dictates.

some how over came the 2nd law to produce order yeah right.

Photosynthesis creates order everyday, all it takes is light.

Get out of the dark, you'll see it too.

It's not just energy that does this,if you do not have mechanisms in play the energy will not do anything. Leave your car out in the sun and watch what happens. Heck stay out in the sun as much as you can and see what happens. Some organisms have mechanisms to deal with the sunlight on a daily basis but most organisms do not.

The suns energy is necessary that we can agree on.

It's not just energy that does this,if you do not have mechanisms in play the energy will not do anything.

Great. Plant mechanisms show that you're wrong about the 2nd Law.

 

[daws101]

Because earth was once without form and water,that is why this planet is unique.

Appeals to magic.

It does not cause you to pause that the sun and moon are conveniently located? That all the matter and ingredients needed for life once again found their way to earth ? All that water found it's way to earth. Then conveniently we have a water cycle that waters the earth.

I don't appeal to magic, your side does.

ok if that's the case then considering the sheer size of the universe then like 7- 11 convenience stores there should be a planet just like earth in the next galaxy over Andromeda, or perhaps the Magellanic Clouds.
your slapdickery truly shines ...

none of that matters because you've already falsely concluded that there is no other life in space.

 

[daws101]

Todd, I will add that there is nothing about natural cycles of living organisms not being complex. Which really is a solid argument for a designer and not spontaneous generation and undirected processes.

you have no evidence of a designer..so you have no argument.

 

[daws101]

Then explain to me what kind of sugar he is speaking of ? and how it gained in complexity.

is this an admission that you really didn't study genetic or even basic biology?
if you really were as edumacated as you say the "sugars" should be easy! question . here's a hint: carbohydrate.

No I thought I had it right the first time or I wouldn't have asked.

bullshit!

 

[Youwerecreated]

some how over came the 2nd law to produce order yeah right.

Photosynthesis creates order everyday, all it takes is light.

Get out of the dark, you'll see it too.

It's not just energy that does this,if you do not have mechanisms in play the energy will not do anything. Leave your car out in the sun and watch what happens. Heck stay out in the sun as much as you can and see what happens. Some organisms have mechanisms to deal with the sunlight on a daily basis but most organisms do not.

The suns energy is necessary that we can agree on.

It's not just energy that does this,if you do not have mechanisms in play the energy will not do anything.

Great. Plant mechanisms show that you're wrong about the 2nd Law.

I have stated genetics and mechanisms force their will on matter but eventually over time it can no longer do it as well and we grow old and eventually die.

It is the programmed cycle running it's course.

You keep avoiding the key questions. How did the cells form and get programmed ? how did the mechanisms form and perform necessary functions ?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's not just energy that does this,if you do not have mechanisms in play the energy will not do anything. Leave your car out in the sun and watch what happens. Heck stay out in the sun as much as you can and see what happens. Some organisms have mechanisms to deal with the sunlight on a daily basis but most organisms do not.

The suns energy is necessary that we can agree on.

It's not just energy that does this,if you do not have mechanisms in play the energy will not do anything.

Great. Plant mechanisms show that you're wrong about the 2nd Law.

I have stated genetics and mechanisms force their will on matter but eventually over time it can no longer do it as well and we grow old and eventually die.

It is the programmed cycle running it's course.

You keep avoiding the key questions. How did the cells form and get programmed ? how did the mechanisms form and perform necessary functions ?

I have stated genetics and mechanisms force their will on matter

Genetics has a will?
Mechanisms have a will?

You keep avoiding the key questions.

I'm waiting for you to admit your error about the 2nd Law.

 

[daws101]

It's not just energy that does this,if you do not have mechanisms in play the energy will not do anything. Leave your car out in the sun and watch what happens. Heck stay out in the sun as much as you can and see what happens. Some organisms have mechanisms to deal with the sunlight on a daily basis but most organisms do not.

The suns energy is necessary that we can agree on.

It's not just energy that does this,if you do not have mechanisms in play the energy will not do anything.

Great. Plant mechanisms show that you're wrong about the 2nd Law.

I have stated genetics and mechanisms force their will on matter but eventually over time it can no longer do it as well and we grow old and eventually die.

It is the programmed cycle running it's course.

You keep avoiding the key questions. How did the cells form and get programmed ? how did the mechanisms form and perform necessary functions ?

 

[orogenicman]

This argument is worse than the one I thought you were making.

This is just part of the carbon cycle. The carbon cycle would not exist without Photosynthesis but Photosynthesis is only responsible for building part of the carbon cycle.Photosynthesis is responsible for processing oxygen as well.

Photosynthetic cells found in green plants, during the cycle of photosynthesis, these cells use C02 and the suns energy to make the sugar molecules and 02 you have went on about. These sugar molecules are used to produce molecules through a photosynthetic cell, such as glucose.


Just one part of many in a cycle. You seem to use a natural cycle for the basis of your argument for increasing complexity which is nonsense. What produced these cells ? and started the cycle ?

You seem to use a natural cycle for the basis of your argument for increasing complexity which is nonsense.

Yes, a natural cycle which proves your 2nd Law error.

First you have to prove what formed and programmed the cell that does this work.

The chromosomes program the cell. You didn't know this? Huh.

 

[Youwerecreated]

You seem to use a natural cycle for the basis of your argument for increasing complexity which is nonsense.

Yes, a natural cycle which proves your 2nd Law error.

First you have to prove what formed and programmed the cell that does this work.

The chromosomes program the cell. You didn't know this? Huh.

Of course I knew the Chromosomes program the cell, and I know the chromosomes came from our parents but before there were parents, how did the Chromosomes form so they could be translated and form a new viable cell ?

How did the first cell form to where this is possible ? got it ?