Why is naturalism considered scientific and creationism is not ?

Who said anything about the laws of nature being chaotic? Oh yeah, you did.

So you don't know of anything of order coming from disorder either.

Non-sequitur. The issue is very simple (for everyone but you, apparently). Organisms are neither closed nor isolated systems because they require energy input from their environment. If they were closed or isolated systems, they would be independent of their environment. Without that energy, they cannot survive. Order can be produced with an expenditure of energy, and the order associated with life on the earth is produced with the aid of energy from the sun and other energy sources. Hence, you eat, plants convert sunlight into carbohydrates, sulfur-eating bacteria require sulfur compounds, etc. Because they are continuously getting energy from their environment, they have low entropy. However, as they age, entropy increases, and their bodily systems begin to breakdown, leading eventually to death. And this happens because there is no free lunch. Every expenditure of energy leaves a toll on the organism.

Damn,it's not just energy the sooner you understand this the sooner you will see several things are involved for a temporary state of order. I would like to know why this is the only planet in our solar system to exhibit order.
 
Unsupported religious declarations is worse than non-scientific, it is delusional. The fact is that ALL of biochemistry has shown that life consists of biochemical reactions, from the dynamics of DNA, to the pumping of the heart, to the creation and transmission of nerve impulses. All of it. Biochemistry. No magic sky daddies needed.

Funny thing is, those chemicals are directed.

No they are not. They are a natural result of the stoichiometry of the molecules of life.

The exact sequencing of amino acids oh and they happen to be all left handed amino acids.
 
Unsupported religious declarations is worse than non-scientific, it is delusional. The fact is that ALL of biochemistry has shown that life consists of biochemical reactions, from the dynamics of DNA, to the pumping of the heart, to the creation and transmission of nerve impulses. All of it. Biochemistry. No magic sky daddies needed.

Funny thing is, those chemicals are directed.

No they are not. They are a natural result of the stoichiometry of the molecules of life.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkdQhNdzHU]Signature in the Cell by Stephen Meyer - YouTube[/ame]
 
Unsupported religious declarations is worse than non-scientific, it is delusional. The fact is that ALL of biochemistry has shown that life consists of biochemical reactions, from the dynamics of DNA, to the pumping of the heart, to the creation and transmission of nerve impulses. All of it. Biochemistry. No magic sky daddies needed.

Funny thing is, those chemicals are directed.

No they are not. They are a natural result of the stoichiometry of the molecules of life.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cHEZRVofzE]INTELLIGENT DESIGN: CELLS - YouTube[/ame]
 
So you don't know of anything of order coming from disorder either.

Non-sequitur. The issue is very simple (for everyone but you, apparently). Organisms are neither closed nor isolated systems because they require energy input from their environment. If they were closed or isolated systems, they would be independent of their environment. Without that energy, they cannot survive. Order can be produced with an expenditure of energy, and the order associated with life on the earth is produced with the aid of energy from the sun and other energy sources. Hence, you eat, plants convert sunlight into carbohydrates, sulfur-eating bacteria require sulfur compounds, etc. Because they are continuously getting energy from their environment, they have low entropy. However, as they age, entropy increases, and their bodily systems begin to breakdown, leading eventually to death. And this happens because there is no free lunch. Every expenditure of energy leaves a toll on the organism.

Damn,it's not just energy the sooner you understand this the sooner you will see several things are involved for a temporary state of order. I would like to know why this is the only planet in our solar system to exhibit order.

This is not the only planet in our solar system that exhibits "order".
 
Wake up.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZhzfK2Uy6c]Intelligent Design: Waking Up To Creation - YouTube[/ame]
 
Funny thing is, those chemicals are directed.

No they are not. They are a natural result of the stoichiometry of the molecules of life.

The exact sequencing of amino acids oh and they happen to be all left handed amino acids.

Yes, exact sequencing = stoichiometry. Completely understood, and entirely predictable. As for left-handed amino acids:

Creationist bullshit claim #40

"The twenty amino acids used by life are all the left-handed variety. This is very unlikely to have occurred by chance."

CB040: Left-handed amino acids

1. The amino acids that are used in life, like most other aspects of living things, are very likely not the product of chance. Instead, they likely resulted from a selection process. A simple peptide replicator can amplify the proportion of a single handedness in an initially random mixture of left- and right-handed fragments (Saghatelian et al. 2001; TSRI 2001). Self-assemblies on two-dimensional surfaces can also amplify a single handedness (Zepik et al. 2002). Serine forms stable clusters of a single handedness which can select other amino acids of like handedness by substituting them for serine; these clusters also incorporate other biologically important molecules such as glyceraldehyde, glucose, and phosphoric acid (Takats et al. 2003). An excess of handedness in one kind of amino acid catalyzes the handedness of other organic products, such as threose, which may have figured prominently in proto-life (Pizzarello and Weber 2004).


2. Amino acids found in meteorites from space, which must have formed abiotically, also show significantly more of the left-handed variety, perhaps from circularly polarized UV light in the early solar system (Engel and Macko 1997; Cronin and Pizzarello 1999). The weak nuclear force, responsible for beta decay, produces only electrons with left-handed spin, and chemicals exposed to these electrons are far more likely to form left-handed crystals (Service 1999). Such mechanisms might also have been responsible for the prevalence of left-handed amino acids on earth.


3. The first self-replicator may have had eight or fewer types of amino acids (Cavalier-Smith 2001). It is not all that unlikely that the same handedness might occur so few times by chance, especially if one of the amino acids was glycine, which has no handedness.


4. Some bacteria use right-handed amino acids, too (McCarthy et al. 1998).
 
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So you don't know of anything of order coming from disorder either.

Non-sequitur. The issue is very simple (for everyone but you, apparently). Organisms are neither closed nor isolated systems because they require energy input from their environment. If they were closed or isolated systems, they would be independent of their environment. Without that energy, they cannot survive. Order can be produced with an expenditure of energy, and the order associated with life on the earth is produced with the aid of energy from the sun and other energy sources. Hence, you eat, plants convert sunlight into carbohydrates, sulfur-eating bacteria require sulfur compounds, etc. Because they are continuously getting energy from their environment, they have low entropy. However, as they age, entropy increases, and their bodily systems begin to breakdown, leading eventually to death. And this happens because there is no free lunch. Every expenditure of energy leaves a toll on the organism.

Damn,it's not just energy the sooner you understand this the sooner you will see several things are involved for a temporary state of order. I would like to know why this is the only planet in our solar system to exhibit order.

Care to rephrase this in something other than creationistese? Energy is everything in living systems. No energy = no life.
 
Why is naturalism considered scientific and creationism is not ?

Why does the OP always ask selfserving questions? Hey Sport ... If you want to debate an atheist on science why don't you ask a scientific question?

"Naturalism" isn't a science. Creationism is as scientific as a Superman comic book.
 
No they are not. They are a natural result of the stoichiometry of the molecules of life.

The exact sequencing of amino acids oh and they happen to be all left handed amino acids.

Yes, exact sequencing = stoichiometry. Completely understood, and entirely predictable. As for left-handed amino acids:

Creationist bullshit #40

CB040: Left-handed amino acids


Newsflash!


Members of the Watchtower Bible Cult seen running down the street with their hair on fire screaming something about "blasphemous lefties".....

Film at eleven.
 
The exact sequencing of amino acids oh and they happen to be all left handed amino acids.

Yes, exact sequencing = stoichiometry. Completely understood, and entirely predictable. As for left-handed amino acids:

Creationist bullshit #40

CB040: Left-handed amino acids


Newsflash!


Members of the Watchtower Bible Cult seen running down the street with their hair on fire screaming something about "blasphemous lefties".....

Film at eleven.

Sounds about right (wing).
 
No they are not. They are a natural result of the stoichiometry of the molecules of life.

The exact sequencing of amino acids oh and they happen to be all left handed amino acids.

Yes, exact sequencing = stoichiometry. Completely understood, and entirely predictable. As for left-handed amino acids:

Creationist bullshit claim #40

"The twenty amino acids used by life are all the left-handed variety. This is very unlikely to have occurred by chance."

CB040: Left-handed amino acids

1. The amino acids that are used in life, like most other aspects of living things, are very likely not the product of chance. Instead, they likely resulted from a selection process. A simple peptide replicator can amplify the proportion of a single handedness in an initially random mixture of left- and right-handed fragments (Saghatelian et al. 2001; TSRI 2001). Self-assemblies on two-dimensional surfaces can also amplify a single handedness (Zepik et al. 2002). Serine forms stable clusters of a single handedness which can select other amino acids of like handedness by substituting them for serine; these clusters also incorporate other biologically important molecules such as glyceraldehyde, glucose, and phosphoric acid (Takats et al. 2003). An excess of handedness in one kind of amino acid catalyzes the handedness of other organic products, such as threose, which may have figured prominently in proto-life (Pizzarello and Weber 2004).


2. Amino acids found in meteorites from space, which must have formed abiotically, also show significantly more of the left-handed variety, perhaps from circularly polarized UV light in the early solar system (Engel and Macko 1997; Cronin and Pizzarello 1999). The weak nuclear force, responsible for beta decay, produces only electrons with left-handed spin, and chemicals exposed to these electrons are far more likely to form left-handed crystals (Service 1999). Such mechanisms might also have been responsible for the prevalence of left-handed amino acids on earth.


3. The first self-replicator may have had eight or fewer types of amino acids (Cavalier-Smith 2001). It is not all that unlikely that the same handedness might occur so few times by chance, especially if one of the amino acids was glycine, which has no handedness.


4. Some bacteria use right-handed amino acids, too (McCarthy et al. 1998).

I love it when you nitwits run off to talk origins to try and present your rebuttal with their material. The big issue is that most living organisms proteins are produced from Left handed amino acids. yes some organisms can function with right handed amino acids. But what you miss is there can be no mixture of the amino acids.

Proteins are the workhorse molecules of life, used in everything from structures like hair to enzymes, the catalysts that speed up or regulate chemical reactions. Just as the 26 letters of the alphabet are arranged in limitless combinations to make words, life uses 20 different amino acids in a huge variety of arrangements to build millions of different proteins. Amino acid molecules can be built in two ways that are mirror images of each other, like your hands. Although life based on right-handed amino acids would presumably work fine, they can't be mixed. "Synthetic proteins created using a mix of left- and right-handed amino acids just don't work," says Dr. Jason Dworkin of NASA Goddard, co-author of the study and head of the Goddard Astrobiology Analytical Laboratory, where the analysis was performed.

Since life can't function with a mix of left- and right-handed amino acids, researchers want to know how life – at least, life on Earth -- got set up with the left-handed ones. "The handedness observed in biological molecules – left-handed amino acids and right-handed sugars – is a property important for molecular recognition processes and is thought to be a prerequisite for life," said Dworkin. All ordinary methods of synthetically creating amino acids result in equal mixtures of left- and right-handed amino acids. Therefore, how the nearly exclusive production of one hand of such molecules arose from what were presumably equal mixtures of left and right molecules in a prebiotic world has been an area of intensive research.

NASA - NASA and University Researchers Find a Clue to How Life Turned Left
 
Non-sequitur. The issue is very simple (for everyone but you, apparently). Organisms are neither closed nor isolated systems because they require energy input from their environment. If they were closed or isolated systems, they would be independent of their environment. Without that energy, they cannot survive. Order can be produced with an expenditure of energy, and the order associated with life on the earth is produced with the aid of energy from the sun and other energy sources. Hence, you eat, plants convert sunlight into carbohydrates, sulfur-eating bacteria require sulfur compounds, etc. Because they are continuously getting energy from their environment, they have low entropy. However, as they age, entropy increases, and their bodily systems begin to breakdown, leading eventually to death. And this happens because there is no free lunch. Every expenditure of energy leaves a toll on the organism.

Damn,it's not just energy the sooner you understand this the sooner you will see several things are involved for a temporary state of order. I would like to know why this is the only planet in our solar system to exhibit order.

Care to rephrase this in something other than creationistese? Energy is everything in living systems. No energy = no life.

You turning and twisting my words is unethical.
 

It's time to get knocked on your butt with facts not the rhetoric you post. I dare any of you to listen to this whole video but those with a short attention span listen from the 52.00 minute mark, and prepare to have your theories crushed.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZhzfK2Uy6c]Intelligent Design: Waking Up To Creation - YouTube[/ame]
 
Why is naturalism considered scientific and creationism is not ?

Why does the OP always ask selfserving questions? Hey Sport ... If you want to debate an atheist on science why don't you ask a scientific question?

"Naturalism" isn't a science. Creationism is as scientific as a Superman comic book.

Naturalistic explanations are not science ? but yet that is how they believe we came in to existence. I knew it was a philosophy sport. I totally agree 100%
 
Damn,it's not just energy the sooner you understand this the sooner you will see several things are involved for a temporary state of order. I would like to know why this is the only planet in our solar system to exhibit order.

Care to rephrase this in something other than creationistese? Energy is everything in living systems. No energy = no life.

You turning and twisting my words is unethical.

Erm, what? How have I twisted or turned your words? Your words stand or fall on their own merit. You still haven't explained what you were trying to say,
 

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