Why is naturalism considered scientific and creationism is not ?

[orogenicman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrlWOhtj3g

It's time to get knocked on your butt with facts not the rhetoric you post. I dare any of you to listen to this whole video but those with a short attention span listen from the 52.00 minute mark, and prepare to have your theories crushed.

To what end? ID is a religious doctrine subscribed to by a tiny minority of preliterate protestant religious fruitcakes. It is not science in this or any other dimension. Period.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Care to rephrase this in something other than creationistese? Energy is everything in living systems. No energy = no life.

You turning and twisting my words is unethical.

Erm, what? How have I twisted or turned your words? Your words stand or fall on their own merit. You still haven't explained what you were trying to say,

Energy alone is not responsible for life am I wrong ? watch the video and learn something.

 

[Youwerecreated]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrlWOhtj3g

It's time to get knocked on your butt with facts not the rhetoric you post. I dare any of you to listen to this whole video but those with a short attention span listen from the 52.00 minute mark, and prepare to have your theories crushed.

To what end? ID is a religious doctrine subscribed to by a tiny minority of preliterate protestant religious fruitcakes. It is not science in this or any other dimension. Period.

A Response to the evidence would be nice .don't want or need your rhetoric.

 

[orogenicman]

You turning and twisting my words is unethical.

Erm, what? How have I twisted or turned your words? Your words stand or fall on their own merit. You still haven't explained what you were trying to say,

Energy alone is not responsible for life am I wrong ? watch the video and learn something.

Non-sequitur. No one said energy alone was responsible for life. You're not too bright, are you? You've gone on and on about the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My post straightened out the matter of how it applies to life on Earth. It should have been rather easy for you to follow. Hell, even a 5th grader could understand how I explained it. So what is your problem?

 

[orogenicman]

It's time to get knocked on your butt with facts not the rhetoric you post. I dare any of you to listen to this whole video but those with a short attention span listen from the 52.00 minute mark, and prepare to have your theories crushed.

To what end? ID is a religious doctrine subscribed to by a tiny minority of preliterate protestant religious fruitcakes. It is not science in this or any other dimension. Period.

A Response to the evidence would be nice .don't want or need your rhetoric.

Evidence? "God did it", isn't evidence of anything. It is an argument from ignorance. And to think there are still people in the world this dumb. It's sad, really?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Erm, what? How have I twisted or turned your words? Your words stand or fall on their own merit. You still haven't explained what you were trying to say,

Energy alone is not responsible for life am I wrong ? watch the video and learn something.

Non-sequitur. No one said energy alone was responsible for life. You're not too bright, are you? You've gone on and on about the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My post straightened out the matter of how it applies to life on Earth. It should have been rather easy for you to follow. Hell, even a 5th grader could understand how I explained it. So what is your problem?

He's dumber than a 5th grader.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Erm, what? How have I twisted or turned your words? Your words stand or fall on their own merit. You still haven't explained what you were trying to say,

Energy alone is not responsible for life am I wrong ? watch the video and learn something.

Non-sequitur. No one said energy alone was responsible for life. You're not too bright, are you? You've gone on and on about the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My post straightened out the matter of how it applies to life on Earth. It should have been rather easy for you to follow. Hell, even a 5th grader could understand how I explained it. So what is your problem?

Look I didn't need to rephrase and you made a false claim you're not to bright are you.

 

[Youwerecreated]

To what end? ID is a religious doctrine subscribed to by a tiny minority of preliterate protestant religious fruitcakes. It is not science in this or any other dimension. Period.

A Response to the evidence would be nice .don't want or need your rhetoric.

Evidence? "God did it", isn't evidence of anything. It is an argument from ignorance. And to think there are still people in the world this dumb. It's sad, really?

Respond to the evidence or take a hike. You want to remain ignorant so be it.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Energy alone is not responsible for life am I wrong ? watch the video and learn something.

Non-sequitur. No one said energy alone was responsible for life. You're not too bright, are you? You've gone on and on about the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My post straightened out the matter of how it applies to life on Earth. It should have been rather easy for you to follow. Hell, even a 5th grader could understand how I explained it. So what is your problem?

He's dumber than a 5th grader.

Your arguments got destroyed and you're still angry. How bout you, care to take on the evidence from the video ?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Non-sequitur. No one said energy alone was responsible for life. You're not too bright, are you? You've gone on and on about the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My post straightened out the matter of how it applies to life on Earth. It should have been rather easy for you to follow. Hell, even a 5th grader could understand how I explained it. So what is your problem?

He's dumber than a 5th grader.

Your arguments got destroyed and you're still angry. How bout you, care to take on the evidence from the video ?

How were my arguments destroyed?
You claimed things couldn't get more complex on Earth, because of the 2nd Law.
Sugar is clearly more complex than CO2 and H2O. It's also on Earth.

So how is your claim supported and mine destroyed?

 

[orogenicman]

A Response to the evidence would be nice .don't want or need your rhetoric.

Evidence? "God did it", isn't evidence of anything. It is an argument from ignorance. And to think there are still people in the world this dumb. It's sad, really?

Respond to the evidence or take a hike. You want to remain ignorant so be it.

Son, everyone who has responded in this and other threads have clearly demonstrated you have no evidence. Plainly and simply, ID is nothing other than creationism, and creationism is nothing more than a religious doctrine subscribed to by a tiny minority of fundamentalist Christians who believe that the Flintstones is a documentary. Really, dude, you are embarrassing yourself and you don't even know it. How sad is that?

 

[Youwerecreated]

In that same video look at the evidence presented at 1 hour 20 minutes and 30 seconds.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZhzfK2Uy6c]Intelligent Design: Waking Up To Creation - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Hollie]

The exact sequencing of amino acids oh and they happen to be all left handed amino acids.

Yes, exact sequencing = stoichiometry. Completely understood, and entirely predictable. As for left-handed amino acids:

Creationist bullshit claim #40

"The twenty amino acids used by life are all the left-handed variety. This is very unlikely to have occurred by chance."

CB040: Left-handed amino acids

1. The amino acids that are used in life, like most other aspects of living things, are very likely not the product of chance. Instead, they likely resulted from a selection process. A simple peptide replicator can amplify the proportion of a single handedness in an initially random mixture of left- and right-handed fragments (Saghatelian et al. 2001; TSRI 2001). Self-assemblies on two-dimensional surfaces can also amplify a single handedness (Zepik et al. 2002). Serine forms stable clusters of a single handedness which can select other amino acids of like handedness by substituting them for serine; these clusters also incorporate other biologically important molecules such as glyceraldehyde, glucose, and phosphoric acid (Takats et al. 2003). An excess of handedness in one kind of amino acid catalyzes the handedness of other organic products, such as threose, which may have figured prominently in proto-life (Pizzarello and Weber 2004).


2. Amino acids found in meteorites from space, which must have formed abiotically, also show significantly more of the left-handed variety, perhaps from circularly polarized UV light in the early solar system (Engel and Macko 1997; Cronin and Pizzarello 1999). The weak nuclear force, responsible for beta decay, produces only electrons with left-handed spin, and chemicals exposed to these electrons are far more likely to form left-handed crystals (Service 1999). Such mechanisms might also have been responsible for the prevalence of left-handed amino acids on earth.


3. The first self-replicator may have had eight or fewer types of amino acids (Cavalier-Smith 2001). It is not all that unlikely that the same handedness might occur so few times by chance, especially if one of the amino acids was glycine, which has no handedness.


4. Some bacteria use right-handed amino acids, too (McCarthy et al. 1998).

I love it when you nitwits run off to talk origins to try and present your rebuttal with their material. The big issue is that most living organisms proteins are produced from Left handed amino acids. yes some organisms can function with right handed amino acids. But what you miss is there can be no mixture of the amino acids.

Proteins are the workhorse molecules of life, used in everything from structures like hair to enzymes, the catalysts that speed up or regulate chemical reactions. Just as the 26 letters of the alphabet are arranged in limitless combinations to make words, life uses 20 different amino acids in a huge variety of arrangements to build millions of different proteins. Amino acid molecules can be built in two ways that are mirror images of each other, like your hands. Although life based on right-handed amino acids would presumably work fine, they can't be mixed. "Synthetic proteins created using a mix of left- and right-handed amino acids just don't work," says Dr. Jason Dworkin of NASA Goddard, co-author of the study and head of the Goddard Astrobiology Analytical Laboratory, where the analysis was performed.

Since life can't function with a mix of left- and right-handed amino acids, researchers want to know how life – at least, life on Earth -- got set up with the left-handed ones. "The handedness observed in biological molecules – left-handed amino acids and right-handed sugars – is a property important for molecular recognition processes and is thought to be a prerequisite for life," said Dworkin. All ordinary methods of synthetically creating amino acids result in equal mixtures of left- and right-handed amino acids. Therefore, how the nearly exclusive production of one hand of such molecules arose from what were presumably equal mixtures of left and right molecules in a prebiotic world has been an area of intensive research.

NASA - NASA and University Researchers Find a Clue to How Life Turned Left

I love it when religious extremists refute their own claims by posting science articles describing completely natural mechanisms for life on this planet.

 

[orogenicman]

In that same video look at the evidence presented at 1 hour 20 minutes and 30 seconds.

Intelligent Design: Waking Up To Creation - YouTube

Ahem. Einstein - insanity- repeat, repeat.

 

[Hollie]

In that same video look at the evidence presented at 1 hour 20 minutes and 30 seconds.

Intelligent Design: Waking Up To Creation - YouTube

You're kidding, right? Tell me you're kidding.

Even if you're not kidding, lie to me and tell me you're kidding.

 

[orogenicman]

Energy alone is not responsible for life am I wrong ? watch the video and learn something.

Non-sequitur. No one said energy alone was responsible for life. You're not too bright, are you? You've gone on and on about the 2nd law of thermodynamics. My post straightened out the matter of how it applies to life on Earth. It should have been rather easy for you to follow. Hell, even a 5th grader could understand how I explained it. So what is your problem?

Look I didn't need to rephrase and you made a false claim you're not to bright are you.

I've done no such thing. You really should stop while you have an ounce of dignity left (assuming that is dignity that is dripping from your lips).

 

[orogenicman]

In that same video look at the evidence presented at 1 hour 20 minutes and 30 seconds.

Intelligent Design: Waking Up To Creation - YouTube

You're kidding, right? Tell me you're kidding.

Even if you're not kidding, lie to me and tell me you're kidding.

I love that title. They aren't even hiding the fact anymore that they are preaching creationism.

 

[daws101]

He created everything you see so what would be your opinion of that intelligence ?

Unsupported religious declarations is worse than non-scientific, it is delusional. The fact is that ALL of biochemistry has shown that life consists of biochemical reactions, from the dynamics of DNA, to the pumping of the heart, to the creation and transmission of nerve impulses. All of it. Biochemistry. No magic sky daddies needed.

Funny thing is, those chemicals are directed.

not in the way you wish...but nice try!

 

[daws101]

So you don't know of anything of order coming from disorder either.

Non-sequitur. The issue is very simple (for everyone but you, apparently). Organisms are neither closed nor isolated systems because they require energy input from their environment. If they were closed or isolated systems, they would be independent of their environment. Without that energy, they cannot survive. Order can be produced with an expenditure of energy, and the order associated with life on the earth is produced with the aid of energy from the sun and other energy sources. Hence, you eat, plants convert sunlight into carbohydrates, sulfur-eating bacteria require sulfur compounds, etc. Because they are continuously getting energy from their environment, they have low entropy. However, as they age, entropy increases, and their bodily systems begin to breakdown, leading eventually to death. And this happens because there is no free lunch. Every expenditure of energy leaves a toll on the organism.

Damn,it's not just energy the sooner you understand this the sooner you will see several things are involved for a temporary state of order. I would like to know why this is the only planet in our solar system to exhibit order.

it's not slapdick..all the planets in this system are ordered and most likely every other system is also.
what do YOU think order means?

 

[daws101]

The exact sequencing of amino acids oh and they happen to be all left handed amino acids.

Yes, exact sequencing = stoichiometry. Completely understood, and entirely predictable. As for left-handed amino acids:

Creationist bullshit claim #40

"The twenty amino acids used by life are all the left-handed variety. This is very unlikely to have occurred by chance."

CB040: Left-handed amino acids

1. The amino acids that are used in life, like most other aspects of living things, are very likely not the product of chance. Instead, they likely resulted from a selection process. A simple peptide replicator can amplify the proportion of a single handedness in an initially random mixture of left- and right-handed fragments (Saghatelian et al. 2001; TSRI 2001). Self-assemblies on two-dimensional surfaces can also amplify a single handedness (Zepik et al. 2002). Serine forms stable clusters of a single handedness which can select other amino acids of like handedness by substituting them for serine; these clusters also incorporate other biologically important molecules such as glyceraldehyde, glucose, and phosphoric acid (Takats et al. 2003). An excess of handedness in one kind of amino acid catalyzes the handedness of other organic products, such as threose, which may have figured prominently in proto-life (Pizzarello and Weber 2004).


2. Amino acids found in meteorites from space, which must have formed abiotically, also show significantly more of the left-handed variety, perhaps from circularly polarized UV light in the early solar system (Engel and Macko 1997; Cronin and Pizzarello 1999). The weak nuclear force, responsible for beta decay, produces only electrons with left-handed spin, and chemicals exposed to these electrons are far more likely to form left-handed crystals (Service 1999). Such mechanisms might also have been responsible for the prevalence of left-handed amino acids on earth.


3. The first self-replicator may have had eight or fewer types of amino acids (Cavalier-Smith 2001). It is not all that unlikely that the same handedness might occur so few times by chance, especially if one of the amino acids was glycine, which has no handedness.


4. Some bacteria use right-handed amino acids, too (McCarthy et al. 1998).

I love it when you nitwits run off to talk origins to try and present your rebuttal with their material. The big issue is that most living organisms proteins are produced from Left handed amino acids. yes some organisms can function with right handed amino acids. But what you miss is there can be no mixture of the amino acids.

Proteins are the workhorse molecules of life, used in everything from structures like hair to enzymes, the catalysts that speed up or regulate chemical reactions. Just as the 26 letters of the alphabet are arranged in limitless combinations to make words, life uses 20 different amino acids in a huge variety of arrangements to build millions of different proteins. Amino acid molecules can be built in two ways that are mirror images of each other, like your hands. Although life based on right-handed amino acids would presumably work fine, they can't be mixed. "Synthetic proteins created using a mix of left- and right-handed amino acids just don't work," says Dr. Jason Dworkin of NASA Goddard, co-author of the study and head of the Goddard Astrobiology Analytical Laboratory, where the analysis was performed.

Since life can't function with a mix of left- and right-handed amino acids, researchers want to know how life – at least, life on Earth -- got set up with the left-handed ones. "The handedness observed in biological molecules – left-handed amino acids and right-handed sugars – is a property important for molecular recognition processes and is thought to be a prerequisite for life," said Dworkin. All ordinary methods of synthetically creating amino acids result in equal mixtures of left- and right-handed amino acids. Therefore, how the nearly exclusive production of one hand of such molecules arose from what were presumably equal mixtures of left and right molecules in a prebiotic world has been an area of intensive research.

NASA - NASA and University Researchers Find a Clue to How Life Turned Left

is it just me or is there no hint of god did itness in that article?
are we to infer god did it or ywc will pull anything out of his ass to bolster his bullshit?