Why Is The GOP Senate So Afraid To Call Witnesses??

[LuckyDuck]

Democrats Are Daring Mitch McConnell to Call Impeachment Witnesses

Less than a couple of months ago -- Trump's BFF at Fox & Friends said this....

"If the president said, I'll give you the money, but you've got to investigate Joe Biden, that'd be off the rails wrong" --- and thru the UNDER OATH TESTIMONIES of Trump's own officials, they proved that is exactly what happened....and what did Steve Doocy do?? Pretend that he never said what he said, why?? Because he and most other Trumpers are full of shit.....

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And in the spirit of being full of shit, Mitch McConnell doesn't want to call any witnesses..even tho Trump wants to have a long drawn out trial with lots of witnesses, even tho Democrats wants to call witnesses who Trump claims will exonerate him -- it is the GOP who is refusing to call any witnesses, why??

"Chuck Schumer on Thursday tore into Mitch McConnell for “breaking precedent” in announcing he will be in lock step with Donald Trump’s legal team throughout an impeachment trial, accusing him of helping the president skirt accountability. “We ask: Is the president’s case so weak that none of the president’s men can defend him under oath?” Schumer said on the Senate floor, after McConnell dismissed the historic vote to impeach Trump as a “partisan crusade.” “If the House case is so weak, why is Leader McConnell so afraid of witnesses and documents?”

For months, all I have seen from you trumpers was "just wait until it gets to the Senate, then Trump can present his case" …"just wait until Trump presents his secret evidence that will totally own the Dems" --

Witnesses were called in the last impeachment trial, why not this one?? Why aren't you demanding that the GOP Senate Leader give Trump what he claims he wants?? Or is this tough talk about witnesses and evidence just shit he tells yawl -- even though both you and he knows all of yawl are full of shit...

The Democratic led House, wouldn't let the Republicans call their own witnesses, wouldn't allow the Republicans as much questioning time with the so-called witnesses as the Democrats and the "witnesses" were a group of individuals who "said they heard about this and felt this. Ambassador Jovanovich was clearly just angry at the president because he fired her. When the president of a foreign country says he/she doesn't like the US Ambassador, you remove that Ambassador from the post and replace that individual with someone that, that president can get along with.
The Democratic House also had trouble agreeing what the president did and kept bouncing back and forth. As I recall, Clinton tried to get dirt on her political opponent to get him out of the race and paid money to get it to happen.
So, if the Senate were to take up the Impeachment, they should do exactly as the House did, have any witnesses they want and restrict who the Democrats can have as so-called witnesses and restrict their questioning time to less than the Senates. That would be as fair is the House did.

 

[Polishprince]

Democrats Are Daring Mitch McConnell to Call Impeachment Witnesses

Less than a couple of months ago -- Trump's BFF at Fox & Friends said this....

"If the president said, I'll give you the money, but you've got to investigate Joe Biden, that'd be off the rails wrong" --- and thru the UNDER OATH TESTIMONIES of Trump's own officials, they proved that is exactly what happened....and what did Steve Doocy do?? Pretend that he never said what he said, why?? Because he and most other Trumpers are full of shit.....

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And in the spirit of being full of shit, Mitch McConnell doesn't want to call any witnesses..even tho Trump wants to have a long drawn out trial with lots of witnesses, even tho Democrats wants to call witnesses who Trump claims will exonerate him -- it is the GOP who is refusing to call any witnesses, why??

"Chuck Schumer on Thursday tore into Mitch McConnell for “breaking precedent” in announcing he will be in lock step with Donald Trump’s legal team throughout an impeachment trial, accusing him of helping the president skirt accountability. “We ask: Is the president’s case so weak that none of the president’s men can defend him under oath?” Schumer said on the Senate floor, after McConnell dismissed the historic vote to impeach Trump as a “partisan crusade.” “If the House case is so weak, why is Leader McConnell so afraid of witnesses and documents?”

For months, all I have seen from you trumpers was "just wait until it gets to the Senate, then Trump can present his case" …"just wait until Trump presents his secret evidence that will totally own the Dems" --

Witnesses were called in the last impeachment trial, why not this one?? Why aren't you demanding that the GOP Senate Leader give Trump what he claims he wants?? Or is this tough talk about witnesses and evidence just shit he tells yawl -- even though both you and he knows all of yawl are full of shit...

The Democratic led House, wouldn't let the Republicans call their own witnesses, wouldn't allow the Republicans as much questioning time with the so-called witnesses as the Democrats and the "witnesses" were a group of individuals who "said they heard about this and felt this. Ambassador Jovanovich was clearly just angry at the president because he fired her. When the president of a foreign country says he/she doesn't like the US Ambassador, you remove that Ambassador from the post and replace that individual with someone that, that president can get along with.
The Democratic House also had trouble agreeing what the president did and kept bouncing back and forth. As I recall, Clinton tried to get dirt on her political opponent to get him out of the race and paid money to get it to happen.
So, if the Senate were to take up the Impeachment, they should do exactly as the House did, have any witnesses they want and restrict who the Democrats can have as so-called witnesses and restrict their questioning time to less than the Senates. That would be as fair is the House did.

Ms. Yovanovich didn't see anything, it was all hearsay and her opinions she gave. She wouldn't be allowed anywhere near the Senate during a trial.

 

[Faun]

Because they're on recess. Judt how stupid are you?

If President Trump is such an existential threat, why did Ms. Pelosi call for a recess at all? Or is that bullshit too?

Because the Republicans already announced they were going to acquit impeached Trump no matter what the evidence would show. So there's no longer an expeditious need to move on to the trisl.

There you go again, projecting Democrat sins onto the backs of Republicans. *yawn*

Exactly.

The Democrats in the Senate will vote to remove President Trump REGARDLESS of whether the house managers prove the allegations beyond a reasonable doubt or not.

Really, they should probably all just recuse themselves, if they had any decency.

Instead of going home for Christine, Maxine Waters remained in Washington to say nasty things about President Trump while the other go home for respite. She won't let go of her hate for any reason. She's consumed by it.

#merryimpeachmas and #happyabuseofpoweranukkah

 

[LuckyDuck]

Democrats Are Daring Mitch McConnell to Call Impeachment Witnesses

Less than a couple of months ago -- Trump's BFF at Fox & Friends said this....

"If the president said, I'll give you the money, but you've got to investigate Joe Biden, that'd be off the rails wrong" --- and thru the UNDER OATH TESTIMONIES of Trump's own officials, they proved that is exactly what happened....and what did Steve Doocy do?? Pretend that he never said what he said, why?? Because he and most other Trumpers are full of shit.....

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And in the spirit of being full of shit, Mitch McConnell doesn't want to call any witnesses..even tho Trump wants to have a long drawn out trial with lots of witnesses, even tho Democrats wants to call witnesses who Trump claims will exonerate him -- it is the GOP who is refusing to call any witnesses, why??

"Chuck Schumer on Thursday tore into Mitch McConnell for “breaking precedent” in announcing he will be in lock step with Donald Trump’s legal team throughout an impeachment trial, accusing him of helping the president skirt accountability. “We ask: Is the president’s case so weak that none of the president’s men can defend him under oath?” Schumer said on the Senate floor, after McConnell dismissed the historic vote to impeach Trump as a “partisan crusade.” “If the House case is so weak, why is Leader McConnell so afraid of witnesses and documents?”

For months, all I have seen from you trumpers was "just wait until it gets to the Senate, then Trump can present his case" …"just wait until Trump presents his secret evidence that will totally own the Dems" --

Witnesses were called in the last impeachment trial, why not this one?? Why aren't you demanding that the GOP Senate Leader give Trump what he claims he wants?? Or is this tough talk about witnesses and evidence just shit he tells yawl -- even though both you and he knows all of yawl are full of shit...

The Democratic led House, wouldn't let the Republicans call their own witnesses, wouldn't allow the Republicans as much questioning time with the so-called witnesses as the Democrats and the "witnesses" were a group of individuals who "said they heard about this and felt this. Ambassador Jovanovich was clearly just angry at the president because he fired her. When the president of a foreign country says he/she doesn't like the US Ambassador, you remove that Ambassador from the post and replace that individual with someone that, that president can get along with.
The Democratic House also had trouble agreeing what the president did and kept bouncing back and forth. As I recall, Clinton tried to get dirt on her political opponent to get him out of the race and paid money to get it to happen.
So, if the Senate were to take up the Impeachment, they should do exactly as the House did, have any witnesses they want and restrict who the Democrats can have as so-called witnesses and restrict their questioning time to less than the Senates. That would be as fair is the House did.

Ms. Yovanovich didn't see anything, it was all hearsay and her opinions she gave. She wouldn't be allowed anywhere near the Senate during a trial.

We both agree on that.

 

[Care4all]

The House needs to present a complete and valid case. They are the prosecutors. The Senate is the jury. A jury does not investigate.

A jury does not get to tell the prosecution who can testify and what evidence can be presented by them.... A jury gets to view all of the evidence, hear all of the witnesses, from both the Prosecution and the defendant, and THEN get to deliberate and make an informed decision based off of that evidence.

guessing you forgot that part...?

 

[Polishprince]

If President Trump is such an existential threat, why did Ms. Pelosi call for a recess at all? Or is that bullshit too?

Because the Republicans already announced they were going to acquit impeached Trump no matter what the evidence would show. So there's no longer an expeditious need to move on to the trisl.

There you go again, projecting Democrat sins onto the backs of Republicans. *yawn*

Exactly.

The Democrats in the Senate will vote to remove President Trump REGARDLESS of whether the house managers prove the allegations beyond a reasonable doubt or not.

Really, they should probably all just recuse themselves, if they had any decency.

Instead of going home for Christine, Maxine Waters remained in Washington to say nasty things about President Trump while the other go home for respite. She won't let go of her hate for any reason. She's consumed by it.

#merryimpeachmas and #happyabuseofpoweranukkah

Why doesn't Nervous Nancy be an adult and just admit defeat with her Fake Impeachment? That's would be the responsible, adult thing to do. It would clear the air so she can help her president deal with the Infrastructure. President Trump really wants to work on this.

I mean, he will continue to get our judiciary nominees nominated and confirmed, but he was really hoping for infrastructure and that requires help from the House.

 

[Polishprince]

The House needs to present a complete and valid case. They are the prosecutors. The Senate is the jury. A jury does not investigate.

A jury does not get to tell the prosecution who can testify and what evidence can be presented by them.... A jury gets to view all of the evidence, hear all of the witnesses, from both the Prosecution and the defendant, and THEN get to deliberate and make an informed decision based off of that evidence.

guessing you forgot that part...?

Who says that Mulvaney, Bolton, et al, are witnesses at all? Were they on the call? Do they disagree with the official transcript of the Perfect Call which was already presented?

If they weren't on the call, or have a different view of it, what would they have to say? If they say "no" to either of these questions, there is no further questions that are relevant.

 

[Care4all]

remember, A Charge only has to meet the burden of ''probable cause'' and in impeachment requires only a majority vote.

but a trial requires more evidence to convict, because to convict, the burden of ''guilty BEYOND a reasonable doubt'' is much greater, and it takes 2/3's of the senate voting to convict and evict.

This is why prosecutors always present more or refined evidence and usually has more witnesses that they continued to collect, in most all trials, compared to what was used to merely get an indictment.

 

[Care4all]

The House needs to present a complete and valid case. They are the prosecutors. The Senate is the jury. A jury does not investigate.

A jury does not get to tell the prosecution who can testify and what evidence can be presented by them.... A jury gets to view all of the evidence, hear all of the witnesses, from both the Prosecution and the defendant, and THEN get to deliberate and make an informed decision based off of that evidence.

guessing you forgot that part...?

Who says that Mulvaney, Bolton, et al, are witnesses at all? Were they on the call? Do they disagree with the official transcript of the Perfect Call which was already presented?

If they weren't on the call, or have a different view of it, what would they have to say? If they say "no" to either of these questions, there is no further questions that are relevant.

the ''call'' isn't even a tenth of what was done and at issue... this involves things that were done and said and ordered over a period of a couple of months and even longer, a year ahead of this with Giuliani's and the goon helper's shenanigans...

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The House needs to present a complete and valid case. They are the prosecutors. The Senate is the jury. A jury does not investigate.

A jury does not get to tell the prosecution who can testify and what evidence can be presented by them.... A jury gets to view all of the evidence, hear all of the witnesses, from both the Prosecution and the defendant, and THEN get to deliberate and make an informed decision based off of that evidence.

guessing you forgot that part...?

The Senate need deal only with the case sent over by the House. Watch and learn.

 

[Care4all]

The House needs to present a complete and valid case. They are the prosecutors. The Senate is the jury. A jury does not investigate.

A jury does not get to tell the prosecution who can testify and what evidence can be presented by them.... A jury gets to view all of the evidence, hear all of the witnesses, from both the Prosecution and the defendant, and THEN get to deliberate and make an informed decision based off of that evidence.

guessing you forgot that part...?

The Senate need deal only with the case sent over by the House. Watch and learn.

I know they can not add any new charges, but I did not know it was illegal for them to strengthen their witness and evidence pool before trial, as long as the defendant lawyers are notified etc and given copies of new evidence popping up etc...???

 

[lantern2814]

Democrats Are Daring Mitch McConnell to Call Impeachment Witnesses

Less than a couple of months ago -- Trump's BFF at Fox & Friends said this....

"If the president said, I'll give you the money, but you've got to investigate Joe Biden, that'd be off the rails wrong" --- and thru the UNDER OATH TESTIMONIES of Trump's own officials, they proved that is exactly what happened....and what did Steve Doocy do?? Pretend that he never said what he said, why?? Because he and most other Trumpers are full of shit.....

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And in the spirit of being full of shit, Mitch McConnell doesn't want to call any witnesses..even tho Trump wants to have a long drawn out trial with lots of witnesses, even tho Democrats wants to call witnesses who Trump claims will exonerate him -- it is the GOP who is refusing to call any witnesses, why??

"Chuck Schumer on Thursday tore into Mitch McConnell for “breaking precedent” in announcing he will be in lock step with Donald Trump’s legal team throughout an impeachment trial, accusing him of helping the president skirt accountability. “We ask: Is the president’s case so weak that none of the president’s men can defend him under oath?” Schumer said on the Senate floor, after McConnell dismissed the historic vote to impeach Trump as a “partisan crusade.” “If the House case is so weak, why is Leader McConnell so afraid of witnesses and documents?”

For months, all I have seen from you trumpers was "just wait until it gets to the Senate, then Trump can present his case" …"just wait until Trump presents his secret evidence that will totally own the Dems" --

Witnesses were called in the last impeachment trial, why not this one?? Why aren't you demanding that the GOP Senate Leader give Trump what he claims he wants?? Or is this tough talk about witnesses and evidence just shit he tells yall -- even tho both you and he knows all of yall are full of shit...

The HYPOCRISY of this thread is absolutely MIND NUMBING.

But then, the democrat party is the party of trash, and HYPOCRISY, LYING, CHEATING, they don't care, they have no shame, they'll do or say any corrupt, mind boggling hypocritical thing under the sun as if it's as normal as apple pie, to play their game.

Let me know when you can tell me why Mitch McConnell is not calling witnesses like Trump asked him to....

I don't give a fuck about your hissy fit...either address the question or shut the fuk up

When you can answer why Chucky is asking for more witnesses in the same speech that he said "the house has a very strong case against the president." If it's so strong, why continue with more witnesses? And since when does the jury call witnesses? That's the houses job. They failed to let the POTUS defend himself so fuck 'em. The senate belongs to the republicans and now the liberals are whining like little babies when they can't get their way yet accused republicans of doing the same during the scam impeachment hearings.

If liberals weren't hypocritical shithead assholes, they wouldn't be anything at all.

Why were they in such a fucking hurry to vote for impeachment and then sit on the articles? What a bunch of fucking losers.

You people are going to get shellacked in November.

Here is what you dic suckers were saying during the House proceedings.....anytime a witness that was relevant to the Ukrainian call and the extortion efforts associated with it -- all we heard was "but but, they didn't have DIRECT KNOWLEDGE, waah waah waah"

So I assume that if the witnesses with this DIRECT KNOWLEDGE were to testify, that would matter more to you right?? Or were you just whining just to be whining....

And who were these witnesses that had this DIRECT KNOWLEDGE?? Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, Mick Mulvaney, Rudy Giulani.....so now you are saying that hearing from witnesses with DIRECT KNOWLEDGE will be a bad thing for Trump...why??

Well idiot, see if you can understand this. When the prosecution has NO case, there is no need for a defense. You have to prove a crime. You can’t because there isn’t one. So now you cry like a little bitch because you can’t just get your way when the other side is in charge.

 

[lantern2814]

I do not see abuse of power and I dont see how an Executive Branch can obstruct Congress.

Gotcha. So, you think the republicans are correct. So, not all theater.

An executive branch can obstruct congress by refusing to comply with their subpoenas, of course. From where are you drawing your legal opinion, considering that precedent contradicts you?

Your stupidity is expected lifelong loser. The Dims had the option to go to court to attempt to compel testimony. Trump used the legal remedy of the courts to back up executive privilege. They declined to do so. Thus any “obstruction” that occurred was brought on by the Dims themselves. So eager to rush this through that they wouldn’t even try to compel witnesses to appear. So you’re charging Trump with something YOU caused. Talk about. brain dead.....

 

[Polishprince]

I do not see abuse of power and I dont see how an Executive Branch can obstruct Congress.

Gotcha. So, you think the republicans are correct. So, not all theater.

An executive branch can obstruct congress by refusing to comply with their subpoenas, of course. From where are you drawing your legal opinion, considering that precedent contradicts you?

Your stupidity is expected lifelong loser. The Dims had the option to go to court to attempt to compel testimony. Trump used the legal remedy of the courts to back up executive privilege. They declined to do so. Thus any “obstruction” that occurred was brought on by the Dims themselves. So eager to rush this through that they wouldn’t even try to compel witnesses to appear. So you’re charging Trump with something YOU caused. Talk about. brain dead.....

That's exactly right.

I'm not a high priced legal expert by any stretch of the imagination. But I know its a LEGAL question as to whether exec privilege applies.

And this has to meander its way through the courts. If Congress wins, they can compel these fellas to testify. If they don't, tough shit.

That's the American way.

 

[Oldstyle]

You know what I'm going to ask whenever one of you liberals trots THAT graph out, Faun! It's the same question that all of you struggle mightily to answer! If Barack Obama was responsible for growing the economy and creating jobs...please show us all the economic policies of his that made that happen!

I can show you exactly what Trump has done to keep the economy going strong. Can you show me what Barry did? The truth is...the US economy grew from the point where you Democrats no longer controlled Congress and no longer had the power to pass things like ObamaCare and Cap & Trade legislation! The US economy grew because of an energy boom created in large part by advances in fracking which you liberals opposed! So take your silly graphs and run along!

I've already showed you last time you asked that, lying con tool.

Sure you did, Faun...sure you did! You keep pretending that happened!

Oh? You wanna bet if I can't show I posted a list of Obama initiatives I claim helped improve the economy, I leave the forum forever; but if I can, you leave forever....

Oh, so you're going to post that same silly shit that you CLAIM created jobs and I'm going to laugh at you again?

Thanks for admitting you lied when you claimed I didn't post a list of initiatives and policies.

I never claimed you didn't post a list, Faun...you did...the problem however is that your "list" doesn't prove Obama's economic policies created jobs! It's laughably bad. Feel free to trot it out once again though...I'm sure someone else could use a chuckle!

 

[Oldstyle]

Laughed at and discarded? That's pretty much what any fair minded person does with polls from Politico, Faun! When you're using THEM...it's a sign of desperation!

Hisses a lying con tool.

Meanwhile, Impeached Trump remains impeached.

Evidently not. Impeachment is conditional until the articles are presented to the senate. McConnell has set Jan 6 as the day he will deal with impeachment. Likely if he has not been presented with the articles by then, he will ask Chief Justice Roberts to dismiss the impeachment for lack of prosecution.

Finally somebody is going to quote the Constitution where it states impeachment requires the Senate to be involved.

G'head, quote the Constitution....

What a whack a doodle you are kid. Why is she afraid to send it over?

Because they're on recess. Judt how stupid are you?

Oh, so now you're claiming that the Democrats can't send the articles that they said were needed IMMEDIATELY since Donald Trump was a dire menace to national security (cue ominous music!!!) because they had to take recess? You get more ridiculous the longer you try to argue this farce!

 

[Faun]

I've already showed you last time you asked that, lying con tool.

Sure you did, Faun...sure you did! You keep pretending that happened!

Oh? You wanna bet if I can't show I posted a list of Obama initiatives I claim helped improve the economy, I leave the forum forever; but if I can, you leave forever....

Oh, so you're going to post that same silly shit that you CLAIM created jobs and I'm going to laugh at you again?

Thanks for admitting you lied when you claimed I didn't post a list of initiatives and policies.

I never claimed you didn't post a list, Faun...you did...the problem however is that your "list" doesn't prove Obama's economic policies created jobs! It's laughably bad. Feel free to trot it out once again though...I'm sure someone else could use a chuckle!

Slobbers a lying con tool.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Because the Republicans already announced they were going to acquit impeached Trump no matter what the evidence would show. So there's no longer an expeditious need to move on to the trisl.

There you go again, projecting Democrat sins onto the backs of Republicans. *yawn*

Exactly.

The Democrats in the Senate will vote to remove President Trump REGARDLESS of whether the house managers prove the allegations beyond a reasonable doubt or not.

Really, they should probably all just recuse themselves, if they had any decency.

Instead of going home for Christine, Maxine Waters remained in Washington to say nasty things about President Trump while the other go home for respite. She won't let go of her hate for any reason. She's consumed by it.

Give me a break, Trump has made hate acceptable in this country again. He has racism, hate, etc., on the rise in this country and Trump Humpers love it.

What makes you think that racism and hate are "on the rise" at all in America?

This forum for starters.

The only ones saying it are outfits like CNN that make money promoting "hate" events, what else would you expect them to say?

Of course the folks who are the racist aren't going to say they are racist and hateful.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The House needs to present a complete and valid case. They are the prosecutors. The Senate is the jury. A jury does not investigate.

A jury does not get to tell the prosecution who can testify and what evidence can be presented by them.... A jury gets to view all of the evidence, hear all of the witnesses, from both the Prosecution and the defendant, and THEN get to deliberate and make an informed decision based off of that evidence.

guessing you forgot that part...?

No witnesses or evidence is presented to the jury during deliberations. Guessing you forgot about that part.

 

[BWK]

Democrats Are Daring Mitch McConnell to Call Impeachment Witnesses

Less than a couple of months ago -- Trump's BFF at Fox & Friends said this....

"If the president said, I'll give you the money, but you've got to investigate Joe Biden, that'd be off the rails wrong" --- and thru the UNDER OATH TESTIMONIES of Trump's own officials, they proved that is exactly what happened....and what did Steve Doocy do?? Pretend that he never said what he said, why?? Because he and most other Trumpers are full of shit.....

View attachment 295699

And in the spirit of being full of shit, Mitch McConnell doesn't want to call any witnesses..even tho Trump wants to have a long drawn out trial with lots of witnesses, even tho Democrats wants to call witnesses who Trump claims will exonerate him -- it is the GOP who is refusing to call any witnesses, why??

"Chuck Schumer on Thursday tore into Mitch McConnell for “breaking precedent” in announcing he will be in lock step with Donald Trump’s legal team throughout an impeachment trial, accusing him of helping the president skirt accountability. “We ask: Is the president’s case so weak that none of the president’s men can defend him under oath?” Schumer said on the Senate floor, after McConnell dismissed the historic vote to impeach Trump as a “partisan crusade.” “If the House case is so weak, why is Leader McConnell so afraid of witnesses and documents?”

For months, all I have seen from you trumpers was "just wait until it gets to the Senate, then Trump can present his case" …"just wait until Trump presents his secret evidence that will totally own the Dems" --

Witnesses were called in the last impeachment trial, why not this one?? Why aren't you demanding that the GOP Senate Leader give Trump what he claims he wants?? Or is this tough talk about witnesses and evidence just shit he tells yall -- even tho both you and he knows all of yall are full of shit...

They don't have any supporting witnesses who can testify in Trump's defense. They don't exist.