Why Muslims See the Crusades So Differently from Christians

You forgot to mention how Muslims even got there in the first place - conquest.
Everyone who lived there in the last 5,000 years got there by conquest of those already there.

not necessarily -------what are you calling "there"? Turkey?
No, Jerusalem and Israel/Palestine. But it was probably also the case for Turkey but I'm not as familiar with the history there.

oh------some people simply peacefully MIGRATED to that which is today called
Jerusalem and Israel and Palestine. According to the only history available of
"ISRAEL" ie Jacob----he migrated with his retainers to the desert area of
BEERSHEVA without any struggle at all------which makes sense since who would
want that desert ? I do not recall any issues of CONQUEST of land by
Abraham either------he obtained Hebron by Purchase. I believe that Bedouins
that migrated FROM THE DESERTS OF SAUDI Arabia to SINAI----probably just
took a long walk with their sheep, The INUITS of Alaska probably also just
MOVED IN peacefully
I don't dispute any of what you say, still I can move my family to China, buy a house and live there for years but I'll never be Chinese.


Lots of people say something like that about PAKISTANIS who seem to
try DESPERATELY to ape----"arab" They wear arab desert rags,
imagine that they like arab food, do Arabic music really badly---------and real
arabs giggle when they try to speak Arabic words
 
Nice. Are you going to show a map of conquest battles fought by European Christians?
Do tell us what battles were fought in Europe to force Christianity on people.

the romans conquered the BRITONS and foisted Christianity upon them-----
and there were other examples of ROMAN CONQUEST leading to imposed
Christianity IN EUROPE-------also in the Americas, parts of asia and Africa ----
what is your point. In fact the romans foisted Christianity upon Palestina
 
According to OP logic, the Allied D Day invasion of France was a battle of conquest.

I did not get that impression from the OP-------HOWEVER----in the Islamic model---
all battles fought by muslims are DEFENSIVE------muslims are NEVER aggressors
 
Nice. Are you going to show a map of conquest battles fought by European Christians?
Do tell us what battles were fought in Europe to force Christianity on people.

the romans conquered the BRITONS and foisted Christianity upon them-----
and there were other examples of ROMAN CONQUEST leading to imposed
Christianity IN EUROPE-------also in the Americas, parts of asia and Africa ----
what is your point. In fact the romans foisted Christianity upon Palestina
The Roman conquest of Britannia was not for religious purposes, and like every Roman controlled region the locals were allowed to maintain their own traditions.
 
Nice. Are you going to show a map of conquest battles fought by European Christians?
Do tell us what battles were fought in Europe to force Christianity on people.

the romans conquered the BRITONS and foisted Christianity upon them-----
and there were other examples of ROMAN CONQUEST leading to imposed
Christianity IN EUROPE-------also in the Americas, parts of asia and Africa ----
what is your point. In fact the romans foisted Christianity upon Palestina
The Roman conquest of Britannia was not for religious purposes, and like every Roman controlled region the locals were allowed to maintain their own traditions.

BS. you learned FIRST REICH historic revisionism. It was the greeks who
allowed----TO SOME EXTENT-----the retention of THE OLD WAYS-----not entirely but to a large extent-------the Christian REICHS never did so and even the
pre-Christian romans INSINUATED their own VASTLY "SUPERIOR CULTURE" into conquered areas. Feel free to ask questions-------there is a
documented history of the times
 
Nice. Are you going to show a map of conquest battles fought by European Christians?
Do tell us what battles were fought in Europe to force Christianity on people.
I was hoping you'd tell me but I'll start:
  • 22 Jul 1631: Battle of Werben. ...
  • 17 Sep 1631: First Battle of Breitenfeld. ...
  • 15 Apr 1632 Battle of Rain / Battle of the River Lech. ...
  • 16 Nov 1632 Battle of Lützen. ...
  • 6 Sep 1634 Battle of Nördlingen. ...
  • 30 May 1635 Peace of Prague and Demise of the Catholic League. ...
  • 4 Oct 1636 Battle of Wittstock.
 
Nice. Are you going to show a map of conquest battles fought by European Christians?
Do tell us what battles were fought in Europe to force Christianity on people.
I was hoping you'd tell me but I'll start:
  • 22 Jul 1631: Battle of Werben. ...
  • 17 Sep 1631: First Battle of Breitenfeld. ...
  • 15 Apr 1632 Battle of Rain / Battle of the River Lech. ...
  • 16 Nov 1632 Battle of Lützen. ...
  • 6 Sep 1634 Battle of Nördlingen. ...
  • 30 May 1635 Peace of Prague and Demise of the Catholic League. ...
  • 4 Oct 1636 Battle of Wittstock.

are you struggling to make some sort of point?
 
Nice. Are you going to show a map of conquest battles fought by European Christians?
Do tell us what battles were fought in Europe to force Christianity on people.
I was hoping you'd tell me but I'll start:
  • 22 Jul 1631: Battle of Werben. ...
  • 17 Sep 1631: First Battle of Breitenfeld. ...
  • 15 Apr 1632 Battle of Rain / Battle of the River Lech. ...
  • 16 Nov 1632 Battle of Lützen. ...
  • 6 Sep 1634 Battle of Nördlingen. ...
  • 30 May 1635 Peace of Prague and Demise of the Catholic League. ...
  • 4 Oct 1636 Battle of Wittstock.

are you struggling to make some sort of point?
I try to judge all things, people, religions, places, etc., by the same standards. One thing that I have found is that cultures vary but people are the same everywhere. Same for religions, they are all different but they are all the same, none is better than another.
 
Why Muslims See the Crusades So Differently from Christians?
Easy Answer - They Lost
 
Nice. Are you going to show a map of conquest battles fought by European Christians?
Do tell us what battles were fought in Europe to force Christianity on people.

the romans conquered the BRITONS and foisted Christianity upon them-----
and there were other examples of ROMAN CONQUEST leading to imposed
Christianity IN EUROPE-------also in the Americas, parts of asia and Africa ----
what is your point. In fact the romans foisted Christianity upon Palestina
The Roman conquest of Britannia was not for religious purposes, and like every Roman controlled region the locals were allowed to maintain their own traditions.

BS. you learned FIRST REICH historic revisionism. It was the greeks who
allowed----TO SOME EXTENT-----the retention of THE OLD WAYS-----not entirely but to a large extent-------the Christian REICHS never did so and even the
pre-Christian romans INSINUATED their own VASTLY "SUPERIOR CULTURE" into conquered areas. Feel free to ask questions-------there is a
documented history of the times
That's as dumb as can be. Romans did not force their beliefs on conquered nations as long as they kept quite and paid Ceaser.

You think building the temple was Romans forcing their beliefs on Jews?
 
Nice. Are you going to show a map of conquest battles fought by European Christians?
Do tell us what battles were fought in Europe to force Christianity on people.
I was hoping you'd tell me but I'll start:
  • 22 Jul 1631: Battle of Werben. ...
  • 17 Sep 1631: First Battle of Breitenfeld. ...
  • 15 Apr 1632 Battle of Rain / Battle of the River Lech. ...
  • 16 Nov 1632 Battle of Lützen. ...
  • 6 Sep 1634 Battle of Nördlingen. ...
  • 30 May 1635 Peace of Prague and Demise of the Catholic League. ...
  • 4 Oct 1636 Battle of Wittstock.
Ah, the 30 year war.
So what's that have to do with 1600 years of Islamic expansion by force?
 
Nice. Are you going to show a map of conquest battles fought by European Christians?
Do tell us what battles were fought in Europe to force Christianity on people.

the romans conquered the BRITONS and foisted Christianity upon them-----
and there were other examples of ROMAN CONQUEST leading to imposed
Christianity IN EUROPE-------also in the Americas, parts of asia and Africa ----
what is your point. In fact the romans foisted Christianity upon Palestina
The Roman conquest of Britannia was not for religious purposes, and like every Roman controlled region the locals were allowed to maintain their own traditions.

BS. you learned FIRST REICH historic revisionism. It was the greeks who
allowed----TO SOME EXTENT-----the retention of THE OLD WAYS-----not entirely but to a large extent-------the Christian REICHS never did so and even the
pre-Christian romans INSINUATED their own VASTLY "SUPERIOR CULTURE" into conquered areas. Feel free to ask questions-------there is a
documented history of the times
That's as dumb as can be. Romans did not force their beliefs on conquered nations as long as they kept quite and paid Ceaser.

You think building the temple was Romans forcing their beliefs on Jews?


the Romans did not build the Temple. Are you suggesting that since they did not
STOP the building thereof----that it was BUILT by Rome?. Romans at that time did not IMPOSE their actual religion-----but they did impose their "culture" in conquered lands-----LATER on ----especially during the time of the FIRST REICH---(ie ----from Constantine onward THEY DID IMPOSE THEIR RELIGION Christianity was imposed in Palestina from the time of Constantine and onward. Before the general imposition of Christianity------the practice of Judaism was effectively truncated----Romans actually "appointed" the high priests of the Temple
 
Ah, the 30 year war.
So what's that have to do with 1600 years of Islamic expansion by force?
It was provided in response to your request: "Do tell us what battles were fought in Europe to force Christianity on people". You're welcome.

Maybe you should have asked what battles were fought by Europeans to force Christianity on people. That would have been more relevant to the 1600 years of Islamic expansion by force.
 
Ah, the 30 year war.
So what's that have to do with 1600 years of Islamic expansion by force?
It was provided in response to your request: "Do tell us what battles were fought in Europe to force Christianity on people". You're welcome.

Maybe you should have asked what battles were fought by Europeans to force Christianity on people. That would have been more relevant to the 1600 years of Islamic expansion by force.

It is not clear to me that ANY of the battles that you (alang) claim, were FOUGHT for the purpose of imposing Christianity on Europe
 

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