‘Why must we hate Iran?’ Rick Sanchez questions MSM mantra as Trump & US intel disagree

[The Original Tree]

Are you Mentally Ill?

According to several geniuses here at USMB .
Thank you.
Study shows US weapons given to Syrian rebels ended up in ISIS hands
(speaking of sponsoring terrorism )

A better question would be, why would Obama give Iran so much money to buy Russian weapons, Uranium, Centrifuges, and to pay for Russian Nuclear Scientists to help Iran with their Nuclear Aspirations?

 

[the other mike]

Every member of the 9-11 hijackers were from two of those countries with the black dots.

Wrong.

Every member of ISIS are from all of the countries with the black dots.

Wrong.

 

[leecross]

I didn't say I disagreed, just that the OP article would carry more weight if from a source not Russia Today. I learned about these things from studying the Syrian ordeal..started around 5 years ago.

RT is as, if not more, credible than any Murican "news" outlet I can think of....For what that's worth.

I agree, but a majority does not.

Think about this.

You are building an AR 15 from components.

No one component is dangerous until the very last element is added to the rifle.

RT could be the seemingly benign element that we allow to be in our homes and to be part of our news consumption.

Okay.

So imagine one day somehow or some way, Russia has a plan to defeat America which needs only one more element to achieve its goal.

That element is the support of enough Americans who have been lulled into believing RT is harmless.

Then, for the very first time in it's up until that point trustworthy history of broadcasting they are told by the Russian governmebt to broadcast a huge lie.

The lie wouldnt need to withstand scrutiny for more than a day. But in that day it might serve to cause us confusion or freeze us from taking action.

RT might be the last needed element which the Russian government might need to make their plan work.

The bullet that turns the AR 15 from a pile of metal and plastic parts into a lethal weapon.

We can no longer view speech as harmless when our enemies use it as a weapon against us taking advantage of our ignorance.

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[leecross]

Until then, you are close to labeling yourself as an enemy of America by trying to apologize for Iran and to get us to buy into your misguided advocacy of the worlds worst purveyor of Islamic terrorism.

Save it for your Prepper group meeting at the VFW pal.
Nobody needs the anti- Muslim propaganda here.

Everyone needs it if they are not Muslims and dont wish to become Muslim against their will or be dominated in our own country by Muslims.

And you have set off the Crossfield Memo sensor.

You post like an enemy of America.

That allows us to treat you like an enemy of America.

Angelo is a Jihadist.

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[the other mike]

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RT could be the seemingly benign element that we allow to be in our homes and to be part of our news consumption.

You made your point.
Thank you.

Internet troll: A person, usually operating under a pseudonym, who posts deliberately provocative messages to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of provoking maximum disruption and argument. They are often paid by nefarious sources but sometime are motivated to do so for their own amusement. They often try to provoke dissension and doubt by writing dis-informational letters to the editors of newspapers.

Another good definition of an internet troll: A person who purposely and deliberately starts an online or media argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by other commenters. He will often use ad hominem attacks.

Internet shill: Someone who promotes something or someone online for pay without divulging that they are associated with the entity they shill for. Shills promote companies, products, public figures and viewpoints for profit, while pretending to have no motivation for doing so other than personal belief. Alternatively, they sometimes denigrate someone or something, such as a political viewpoint or a competitor’s product, that is in conflict with the entity they serve. Shill jobs are telecommute positions or are conducted from temporary offices which are frequently moved to avoid detection.

 

[leecross]

‘Why must we hate Iran?’ Rick Sanchez questions MSM mantra as Trump & US intel disagree
Twisted headlines and nuclear accusations against Iran all serve the same purpose: beating the drums of war and fanning public hatred: Rick Sanchez takes on how the White House and the MSM are trying to ram their message home.



It's a great question. And if you look at a map it's
pretty easy to see who's threatening who when it comes to
the relationship between Iran and the United States.
View attachment 243234

Why must we hate Iran?

Because Iran hates Israel.

Because Iran hates US.

Because Iran spreads terrorism.

Because Iran threatens its neighbors.

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[the other mike]

Why must we hate Iran?

Because Iran hates Israel.

Because Iran hates US.

Israel and the US have created a lot of enemies. Where were the 9/11 hijackers from ?

Because Iran spreads terrorism.

Because Iran threatens its neighbors.

Our wars of aggression have created the terrorists, and you know it. Venezuela is our neighbor and we are threatening them right now.

US Should Balance Iran and Saudi Arabia

 

[leecross]

Why must we hate Iran?

Because Iran hates Israel.

Because Iran hates US.

Israel and the US have created a lot of enemies. Where were the 9/11 hijackers from ?

Because Iran spreads terrorism.

Because Iran threatens its neighbors.

Our wars of aggression have created the terrorists, and you know it. Venezuela is our neighbor and we are threatening them right now.

US Should Balance Iran and Saudi Arabia

You sound like you are intentionally spreading misinformation.

Try this.

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What is Islam? - Political Islam


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Islam is a cultural, religious and political system. Only the political system is of interest to kafirs (non-Muslims) since it determines how we are defined and treated. The Islamic political system is contained in the Koran, the Hadith (the traditions of Mohammed) and his biography, the Sira.

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Islam has a complete doctrine of how to treat the kafir that is found in the Trilogy.

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109:2 I do not worship what you worship, and you do not worship what I worship. I will never worship what you worship, and you will never worship what I worship. You to your religion, me to my religion.
This sounds very tolerant, but this verse was written later:
9:5 When the sacred months are passed, kill the kafirs wherever you find them. Take them as captives, besiege them, and lie in wait for them with every kind of ambush. If they submit to Islam, observe prayer, and pay the poor tax, then let them go their way. Allah is gracious and merciful.
Now we have absolute intolerance. This contradiction is normal for the Koran and is even addressed in the Koran. The solution to contradiction is called abrogation where the later verse is better than the earlier verse.
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[the other mike]

You sound like you are intentionally spreading misinformation.

And you're a disruptive troll about to be reported if you don't go away.

 

[leecross]

.

RT could be the seemingly benign element that we allow to be in our homes and to be part of our news consumption.

You made your point.
Thank you.

Internet troll: A person, usually operating under a pseudonym, who posts deliberately provocative messages to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of provoking maximum disruption and argument. They are often paid by nefarious sources but sometime are motivated to do so for their own amusement. They often try to provoke dissension and doubt by writing dis-informational letters to the editors of newspapers.

Another good definition of an internet troll: A person who purposely and deliberately starts an online or media argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by other commenters. He will often use ad hominem attacks.

Internet shill: Someone who promotes something or someone online for pay without divulging that they are associated with the entity they shill for. Shills promote companies, products, public figures and viewpoints for profit, while pretending to have no motivation for doing so other than personal belief. Alternatively, they sometimes denigrate someone or something, such as a political viewpoint or a competitor’s product, that is in conflict with the entity they serve. Shill jobs are telecommute positions or are conducted from temporary offices which are frequently moved to avoid detection.

Whether you are a Muslim or a new convert to Islam or an apologist, your challenge should be to present the words and deeds of the Prophet Mohammed clearly as written in the Koran, Hadith and Sira.

Then the challenge should be to show how the Iranian givernment does or does not obey the holy Islamic texts and why.

Otherwise you are wasting keystrokes and our time.

 

[the other mike]

Then the challenge should be to show how the Iranian givernment does or does not obey the holy Islamic texts and why.

A lot of us are much more concerned about our own government violating the Constitution.

 

[Penelope]

‘Why must we hate Iran?’ Rick Sanchez questions MSM mantra as Trump & US intel disagree
Twisted headlines and nuclear accusations against Iran all serve the same purpose: beating the drums of war and fanning public hatred: Rick Sanchez takes on how the White House and the MSM are trying to ram their message home.



It's a great question. And if you look at a map it's
pretty easy to see who's threatening who when it comes to
the relationship between Iran and the United States.
View attachment 243234

Why must we hate Iran?

Because Iran hates Israel.

Because Iran hates US.

Because Iran spreads terrorism.

Because Iran threatens its neighbors.

Sent from my LG-M154 using Tapatalk

That is it right there, we are taught Iran hates Israel but its the Israel regime they dislike and also we are taught Iran hates the US but they didn't attack us ever. No Iran doesn't spread terrorism, only if you talk to Israel or Saudi Arabia and the those who suck up to SA and Israel in the US, and we like SA only due to the petro dollar. Iran is friendly with its neighbor Syria, and also Lebanon.

 

[The Original Tree]

OP would be more credible without the link being RT.

Rick Sanchez left CNN so he could tell the truth and be an actual journalist.
But I realize Americans have forgotten what that is.

I appreciate the effort. But what is going on now is that the present administration has to reverse the wrong headed policies of the previous administration.

You can't coddle terrorists to bring them to the peace table or get them to lay down arms by emptying GITMO of it's mass murderers. That isn't going to stop terrorists from digging mass graves, beheading people, setting them to flame or drowning them in a cage.

You can't pay Al Queda to assassinate Qadaffi and not expect them to attack Benghazi when they find out through your careless handling of classified data that you are illegally using it as a weapon's depot to arm radical Islamocists to support your own little private war in Libya.

You can't look the other way while ISIS ravages the countryside, slaughters 500,000 Christians, rapes and kidnaps women and passes them around like a box of chocolates as sex slaves, and expect them to not continue to take more territory and murder even more people, just because you tell them they are "naughty".

Above all, you can't give a country like Iran who funds numerous terrorist groups, $150 Billion in violation of International Law and expect them and the rest of the world to respect you. You can't give them $150 Billion dollars and stop them from spending more money to arm terrorists, produce nuclear weapons, and test longer range ICBMs with the words written upon them "Death to Israel" "Death to America".

 

[the other mike]

Above all, you can't give a country like Iran who funds numerous terrorist groups, $150 Billion in violation of International Law and expect them and the rest of the world to respect you.

You ever hear of the Iran Contra Affair which our justice system chose to virtually ignore ?
Reagan and George HW Bush not only armed Iran but then to make sure they didn't win the war with Iraq they armed Saddam Hussein . Almost at the same time --arming the Taliban in Afghanistan and creating the future Al Qaeda.

 

[The Original Tree]

I didn't say I disagreed, just that the OP article would carry more weight if from a source not Russia Today. I learned about these things from studying the Syrian ordeal..started around 5 years ago.

RT is as, if not more, credible than any Murican "news" outlet I can think of....For what that's worth.

I agree, but a majority does not.

Think about this.

You are building an AR 15 from components.

No one component is dangerous until the very last element is added to the rifle.

RT could be the seemingly benign element that we allow to be in our homes and to be part of our news consumption.

Okay.

So imagine one day somehow or some way, Russia has a plan to defeat America which needs only one more element to achieve its goal.

That element is the support of enough Americans who have been lulled into believing RT is harmless.

Then, for the very first time in it's up until that point trustworthy history of broadcasting they are told by the Russian government to broadcast a huge lie.

The lie wouldnt need to withstand scrutiny for more than a day. But in that day it might serve to cause us confusion or freeze us from taking action.

RT might be the last needed element which the Russian government might need to make their plan work.

The bullet that turns the AR 15 from a pile of metal and plastic parts into a lethal weapon.

We can no longer view speech as harmless when our enemies use it as a weapon against us taking advantage of our ignorance.

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The Russian Government Already has control of our Media. THE MSM WORKS FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN. This is why they were and still are complicit in Obama's Soft COUP to overturn our Legal and Valid Election of Donald J. Trump.

Think about it. The MSM continually promotes "Russian Collusion" even when they are told there is none. They constantly hype it up, constantly try to say our president is mentally ill, unfit for office, is a Russian Spy, was not elected legitimately.

They are more of a threat than RT can ever be, because The American People Once Trusted them, and many still do.

When your Nation's media becomes a propaganda machine, they are the enemy of The American People and are an ally of our Enemies.

They do their work for them.....and for FREE.

Imagine if during The Revolutionary War, you had The MSM siding with The Empire of Great Britain, and invited Red Coat after Red Coat on to their platform to denounce and criticize George Washington 10,000 times a day on thousands of media outlets.

That is EXACTLY what we have today.

The Red Coats aren't coming......They are already here broadcasting The Nightly News......their version of The Nightly News.

"Impeach 44" is the same equivalent of "Hang The Traitor George Washington!"

 

[the other mike]

Some people around here have selective memories when it comes to history.
Iran rounded up hundreds of Arabs to help the United States counter al Qaeda after the Sept. 11 attack after they crossed the border from Afghanistan, a former Bush administration official said Tuesday.
Iran Gave U.S. Help On Al Qaeda After 9/11

 

[the other mike]

The Russian Government Already has control of our Media. THE MSM WORKS FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN. This is why they were and still are complicit in Obama's Soft COUP to overturn our Legal and Valid Election of Donald J. Trump.

Think about it. The MSM continually promotes "Russian Collusion" even when they are told there is none. They constantly hype it up, constantly try to say our president is mentally ill, unfit for office, is a Russian Spy, was not elected legitimately.

They are more of a threat than RT can ever be, because The American People Once Trusted them, and many still do.

When your Nation's media becomes a propaganda machine, they are the enemy of The American People and are an ally of our Enemies.

They do their work for them.....and for FREE.

Imagine if during The Revolutionary War, you had The MSM siding with The Empire of Great Britain, and invited Red Coat after Red Coat on to their platform to denounce and criticize George Washington 10,000 times a day on thousands of media outlets.

That is EXACTLY what we have today.

The Red Coats aren't coming......They are already here broadcasting The Nightly News......their version of The Nightly News.

"Impeach 44" is the same equivalent of "Hang The Traitor George Washington!"

 

[the other mike]

The Russian Government Already has control of our Media. THE MSM WORKS FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN. ..

The MSM is just part of the matrix of control, and Russia has no control over it I assure you.

 

[leecross]

Then the challenge should be to show how the Iranian givernment does or does not obey the holy Islamic texts and why.

A lot of us are much more concerned about our own government violating the Constitution.

As if that is going to destroy America?

Pffft.

It has gone on and we dont like it. And we have to stop this corruption.

But you are tearing down the President we hired to oversee the changes we want made.



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[Penelope]

Who is your "we"?