why not make the minimum wage $30 an hour?

[The Rabbi]

minimum wages should be based on the cost of living.

Why? WHo gets a min wage job and expects to live on it?

Someone who is one half of a couple who need two incomes to get by, for starters.

Some young person who is trying to save for college, for another.

Conservatives chant.... You are not expected to support yourself on minimum wage

But you can't even do the basic things in life to get started on a minimum wage anymore. Pay for college, buy a car, pay for a small apartment

Buying a car and paying for college are not "basics", Nutjobber. There's your problem right there.

It is if you want to compete...

If you're relying on a min wage job to put you through college you arent competing.

 

[Mr Natural]

Buying a car and paying for college are not "basics", Nutjobber. There's your problem right there.

Maybe not in some Third World shithole but in America they are.

Or at least they used to be until St Reagan and company introduced us to the wonders of Supply Side Economics.

 

[Papageorgio]

Better than Clinton's 90's and his lower tax rates?

Yes.

Most married women were stay-at-home Moms and all Dad needed was a job (pretty much any job) to provide for the family and have a piece of the "American Dream".

So the 50's barefoot and pregnant was better than women liberating themselves in the workplace.

So the Republican Eisenhower and his economy is better than Democratic Clinton and his economy.

 

[Moonglow]

Why? WHo gets a min wage job and expects to live on it?

Someone who is one half of a couple who need two incomes to get by, for starters.

Some young person who is trying to save for college, for another.

Conservatives chant.... You are not expected to support yourself on minimum wage

But you can't even do the basic things in life to get started on a minimum wage anymore. Pay for college, buy a car, pay for a small apartment

Buying a car and paying for college are not "basics", Nutjobber. There's your problem right there.

It is if you want to compete...

If you're relying on a min wage job to put you through college you arent competing.

No matter how you do it, it is competing...

 

[The Rabbi]

Buying a car and paying for college are not "basics", Nutjobber. There's your problem right there.

Maybe not in some Third World shithole but in America they are.

Or at least they used to be until St Reagan and company introduced us to the wonders of Supply Side Economics.

There's your problem right there.
The unemployment/underemployment rate for recent college grads is nearly 50%. You're probably one of them.

 

[Wyatt earp]

What It Costs To Open A McDonald s - Business Insider

The average McDonald's restaurant generates $2.5 million in sales annually

Startup costs, which include construction and equipment expenses, average between $955,708 and $2.3 million, according to McDonald's. The total is determined by the geography and size of the restaurant, as well as by the selection of kitchen equipment, signage, style of decor, and landscaping, the company says.
Franchisees must pay 40% of the startup costs with cash and other non-borrowed resources, while the rest can be financed.
In addition to those costs, McDonald's charges a $45,000 franchisee fee and an ongoing monthly service fee equal to 4% of gross sales. Franchisees must also pay rent to the company, which is a percentage of monthly sales.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/what-it-costs-to-open-a-mcdonalds-2014-11#ixzz3bFgk5eSS

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/what-it-costs-to-open-a-mcdonalds-2014-11#ixzz3bFgY2IlF

yea I know again hardly rich, it don't take much if you have great credit and a few mortgages on your house.

How many mansions you see in small towns that have a Mickey D`s across America?

Where is these secrete homes with a Lamborghini in the drive way?

You don't see their workers with those thing either. In fact, you will probably find them on welfare

Most people that work in McDonalds are teens working for spending money.

More Than a Quarter of Fast-Food Workers Are Raising a Child - The Atlantic

Only 30 percent are teens

A few interesting stats:

• Almost 40 percent of fast food workers are 25 or older.
• More than 30 percent have at least some college experience.
• More than a quarter are parents.

That says precisely nothing.
Add in retirees just looking for something to do, empty nest moms wanting to earn some spending money and getting back into the work force, and the number of people with actual responsibilities working min wage jobs is close to nil. and add too the fact that they stay at min wage for about 9 months before getting raises and your "argument" appears pitifully flawed.

no Crap, my old girlfriend won 36 million on the Illinois state lottery a few years back,

She bought a house on Daytona beach, she was so bored she went back to work making like $12 an hour ...

You Will never see her on stupid lottery winners

 

[Stephanie]

Well?

SNIP:
Spilling the truth on the fight for a $15 minimum wage
By Post Editorial Board

May 25, 2015 | 5:22pm


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Protesters call for a $15-hour minimum wage in Times Square in April 2015.Photo: AP
Did The New York Times just inadvertently tell us what the real goal of the raise-the-minimum-wage campaign is?

A Times editorial last weekcheered Los Angeles’ enactment of a $15-an-hour minimum wage— but noted that restaurants, particularly fast-food joints, don’t like it. Said The Times: “The restaurant industry . . . will not go down without a fight.”

We didn’t think that bringing down an entire industry was what the campaign for a $15 minimum wassupposedto be about. Oops.

Back in March,we noted that a similar hikein Seattle’s minimum wage was leading to a spate of local restaurant closings, given that labor costs account for 36 percent of the average restaurant’s earnings.

Case in point: Z Pizza, which has to shut down — putting all 11 employees out of work — because its owner can’t afford the higher labor costs. Ritu Shah Burnham says she tried layoffs, cutting hours, price hikes and not paying herself — to no avail.


And while small businesses have six years to phase in the wage hikes, she has only two, since she’s a franchise of a large chain.

The Times dismissed such concerns, saying minimum-wage hikes can be offset by higher prices and by “paying executives and shareholders less.” (anyone think they do that at their Slimy rag of a newspaper?)

ALL of it here:
Spilling the truth on the fight for a 15 minimum wage New York Post

The only thing is is that poor people that you like so much rely on companies like McDonald's to feed them. Yeah I know it sucks to be poor. Now do you still not give a shit if they have to pay 50 cents extra?

When beef prices skyrocketed, McDonalds had no problem raising their prices. Somehow, they remained in business
Yet, threaten to raise the price of labor and conservatives predict economic collapse

Huh?

dshort Advisor Perspectives

Since 1986, the price of a Big Mac has increased 185% from $1.60 to $4.56 today. During this same time period, the CPI has increased at a much lower rate of 110%.

You will find that very little of that price increase "trickled down" to the workers

You do know cooperate Mickey D`s only own 1O percent of it's stores the rest are own by folks you and me, hardly rich

minimum wages should be based on the cost of living.

Why? WHo gets a min wage job and expects to live on it?

Those who have no other choice because better jobs aren't available for them.

really? and who's fault is that? I thought Obama stole a almost a trillion dollars from us to GIVE PEOPLE BETTER JOBS?
for crying out loud, they can't find a better job, than work a part-time with it UNTIL you can. You people make everyone out to be pathetic and just so helpless. You "bleeding hearts) are part of the problem

 

[hangover]

why not make the minimum wage $30 an hour?

I got a better idea. Let's go back to taxing the rich at 90%.

Waddaya crazy? You want to bring back the economic horrors of the '50s?

FYI, the 50's were the best economic time in America. Here's an even better idea....Tax all corporations at 90% until the national debt is paid off. It was the rich that created the debt....there's no poor in congress.

I am confused why do you want us to bomb Germany and Japan in 2015 to bring us back to your utopia of the 1950s?

History lesson for today....Germany and Japan happened in the "40's".

 

[The Rabbi]

why not make the minimum wage $30 an hour?

I got a better idea. Let's go back to taxing the rich at 90%.

Waddaya crazy? You want to bring back the economic horrors of the '50s?

FYI, the 50's were the best economic time in America. Here's an even better idea....Tax all corporations at 90% until the national debt is paid off. It was the rich that created the debt....there's no poor in congress.

I am confused why do you want us to bomb Germany and Japan in 2015 to bring us back to your utopia of the 1950s?

History lesson for today....Germany and Japan happened in the "40's".

Psychology lesson: You're nuckng futs.
But you still havent answered the OP question: if 15/hr is good then why isnt 30 better? Is 15 the optimum wage or would 17/hr be better?

 

[Wyatt earp]

why not make the minimum wage $30 an hour?

I got a better idea. Let's go back to taxing the rich at 90%.

Waddaya crazy? You want to bring back the economic horrors of the '50s?

FYI, the 50's were the best economic time in America. Here's an even better idea....Tax all corporations at 90% until the national debt is paid off. It was the rich that created the debt....there's no poor in congress.

I am confused why do you want us to bomb Germany and Japan in 2015 to bring us back to your utopia of the 1950s?

History lesson for today....Germany and Japan happened in the "40's".

a history lesson for you the utopia started when they were in ruins

 

[Wyatt earp]

Or did you forget those little facts?

Ya know, no competition?

 

[hangover]

why not make the minimum wage $30 an hour?

I got a better idea. Let's go back to taxing the rich at 90%.

Waddaya crazy? You want to bring back the economic horrors of the '50s?

FYI, the 50's were the best economic time in America. Here's an even better idea....Tax all corporations at 90% until the national debt is paid off. It was the rich that created the debt....there's no poor in congress.

I am confused why do you want us to bomb Germany and Japan in 2015 to bring us back to your utopia of the 1950s?

History lesson for today....Germany and Japan happened in the "40's".

Psychology lesson: You're nuckng futs.
But you still havent answered the OP question: if 15/hr is good then why isnt 30 better? Is 15 the optimum wage or would 17/hr be better?

Oh ow, you really hurt my feelings with that one. You call me nuts, but the OP is moronic. Snivel snivel......

 

[The Rabbi]

Waddaya crazy? You want to bring back the economic horrors of the '50s?

FYI, the 50's were the best economic time in America. Here's an even better idea....Tax all corporations at 90% until the national debt is paid off. It was the rich that created the debt....there's no poor in congress.

I am confused why do you want us to bomb Germany and Japan in 2015 to bring us back to your utopia of the 1950s?

History lesson for today....Germany and Japan happened in the "40's".

Psychology lesson: You're nuckng futs.
But you still havent answered the OP question: if 15/hr is good then why isnt 30 better? Is 15 the optimum wage or would 17/hr be better?

Oh ow, you really hurt my feelings with that one. You call me nuts, but the OP is moronic. Snivel snivel......

And yet you cannot explain why. What does that make you?

 

[hangover]

why not make the minimum wage $30 an hour?

I got a better idea. Let's go back to taxing the rich at 90%.

Waddaya crazy? You want to bring back the economic horrors of the '50s?

FYI, the 50's were the best economic time in America. Here's an even better idea....Tax all corporations at 90% until the national debt is paid off. It was the rich that created the debt....there's no poor in congress.

I am confused why do you want us to bomb Germany and Japan in 2015 to bring us back to your utopia of the 1950s?

History lesson for today....Germany and Japan happened in the "40's".

a history lesson for you the utopia started when they were in ruins

So you're saying that Obama gave us utopia after Shrub destroyed the economy and left it in ruins. Okay, groovy dude.

 

[The Rabbi]

Waddaya crazy? You want to bring back the economic horrors of the '50s?

FYI, the 50's were the best economic time in America. Here's an even better idea....Tax all corporations at 90% until the national debt is paid off. It was the rich that created the debt....there's no poor in congress.

I am confused why do you want us to bomb Germany and Japan in 2015 to bring us back to your utopia of the 1950s?

History lesson for today....Germany and Japan happened in the "40's".

a history lesson for you the utopia started when they were in ruins

So you're saying that Obama gave us utopia after Shrub destroyed the economy and left it in ruins. Okay, groovy dude.

So you admit that Obama drinks human blood and is secretly in the pay of al Qaeda? Sure,dude.

 

[Harry Dresden]

How about we just bring it to levels equivalent to what I used to make when I made $2 an hour in the 70s

That would be around $15 an hour today

you do realize that now, everyone above minimum wage will ask for a raise .....

Everyone is a great exaggeration. If min wage was increased I sure wouldn't be asking for a raise.

ok let me rephrase that......you do realize that now, a hell of a lot of people, above minimum wage will also ask for a raise .......hows that?....

 

[rightwinger]

minimum wages should be based on the cost of living.

Why? WHo gets a min wage job and expects to live on it?

Someone who is one half of a couple who need two incomes to get by, for starters.

Some young person who is trying to save for college, for another.

Conservatives chant.... You are not expected to support yourself on minimum wage

But you can't even do the basic things in life to get started on a minimum wage anymore. Pay for college, buy a car, pay for a small apartment

Buying a car and paying for college are not "basics", Nutjobber. There's your problem right there.

They are when you are starting out in life....which is what conservatives claim the minimum wage is for

 

[rightwinger]

How about we just bring it to levels equivalent to what I used to make when I made $2 an hour in the 70s

That would be around $15 an hour today

you do realize that now, everyone above minimum wage will ask for a raise .....

Everyone is a great exaggeration. If min wage was increased I sure wouldn't be asking for a raise.

ok let me rephrase that......you do realize that now, a hell of a lot of people, above minimum wage will also ask for a raise .......hows that?....

Why shouldn't they?

Minimum wage increase will push up the low end pay scale. Long overdue

 

[rightwinger]

yea I know again hardly rich, it don't take much if you have great credit and a few mortgages on your house.

How many mansions you see in small towns that have a Mickey D`s across America?

Where is these secrete homes with a Lamborghini in the drive way?

You don't see their workers with those thing either. In fact, you will probably find them on welfare

Most people that work in McDonalds are teens working for spending money.

More Than a Quarter of Fast-Food Workers Are Raising a Child - The Atlantic

Only 30 percent are teens

A few interesting stats:

• Almost 40 percent of fast food workers are 25 or older.
• More than 30 percent have at least some college experience.
• More than a quarter are parents.

That says precisely nothing.
Add in retirees just looking for something to do, empty nest moms wanting to earn some spending money and getting back into the work force, and the number of people with actual responsibilities working min wage jobs is close to nil. and add too the fact that they stay at min wage for about 9 months before getting raises and your "argument" appears pitifully flawed.

no Crap, my old girlfriend won 36 million on the Illinois state lottery a few years back,

She bought a house on Daytona beach, she was so bored she went back to work making like $12 an hour ...

You Will never see her on stupid lottery winners

Looks like you were stupid for breaking up with her

 

[The Rabbi]

minimum wages should be based on the cost of living.

Why? WHo gets a min wage job and expects to live on it?

Someone who is one half of a couple who need two incomes to get by, for starters.

Some young person who is trying to save for college, for another.

Conservatives chant.... You are not expected to support yourself on minimum wage

But you can't even do the basic things in life to get started on a minimum wage anymore. Pay for college, buy a car, pay for a small apartment

Buying a car and paying for college are not "basics", Nutjobber. There's your problem right there.

They are when you are starting out in life....which is what conservatives claim the minimum wage is for

Buying your own car? No, Nutjobber. Your own car is not a basic. Taking public transporation and car pooling are basic.