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He promoted bills that would have 0 impact on the murders they wrapped this legislation around. His bills did NOTHING to prevent school shootings.
Those were the parameters that he set shortly after the shooting and he failed to meet them with his bills. He campaigned to protect children and offered a completely disconnected solution.
Also worth noting was the level of anger he displayed at his speech after loosing. All the name calling pretty much sealed the fate for any future legislation on this subject. The idiot still thinks you can insult your opposition and somehow expect them to work with you in the future.
Obama acts like an amateur and we're witnessing the results
He promoted bills that would have 0 impact on the murders they wrapped this legislation around. His bills did NOTHING to prevent school shootings.
Those were the parameters that he set shortly after the shooting and he failed to meet them with his bills. He campaigned to protect children and offered a completely disconnected solution.
Also worth noting was the level of anger he displayed at his speech after loosing. All the name calling pretty much sealed the fate for any future legislation on this subject. The idiot still thinks you can insult your opposition and somehow expect them to work with you in the future.
Obama acts like an amateur and we're witnessing the results
In what world did Obama "lose" the gun debate?
The only thing that happened was a minority of Senators blocked legislation on background checks.
Legislation that the vast majority of American Citizens happens to agree with.
He didn't "lose the debate", he suffered a minor set back that was brought about by manipulating the rules, not by a debate loss.
He didn't "lose the debate", he suffered a minor set back that was brought about by manipulating the rules, not by a debate loss.
1) NRA misleading talking points.
2) Cowardly GOP Senators.
3) 4 Cowardly Dem Senators.
4) General cowardice and paranoia among fringes of the NRA.
Who's go more cowards?
He didn't "lose the debate", he suffered a minor set back that was brought about by manipulating the rules, not by a debate loss.
Actually the claim was that Obama "lost". What he "lost" was the fight to have a law passed expanding background checks. He also lost the the fight to have a law restricting assault weapons. He also lost the fight to have a law restricting hi cap magazines...
If you wish to claim he won "the debate", I will not argue the point. Does he get an award from the "Debating Society Of America" or sumpin? The Golden Orator Trophy" perhaps?
The 2012 election was less than 4 percent. Some states were closer than that. Florida less than 1%I was speaking from the democratic side of the coin. There won't be any "primarying" going on during the democratic primaries over gun control votes in April of 2013.
I was speaking generally and suggesting a possible reason for the power of the NRA. They have a lot of single issue voters who do vote and can make a difference in a close election.
As for your math, you're making the assumption that these people vote on the whole which is not the case. Obama won nearly every battle ground state...where were they?
That does not disprove my assertion. Instead it may merely indicate that sufficient voters favored Obama to overcome the slight advantage afforded to pro gun politicians. At best, that advantage may account fore 1% or 2% depending upon the state. Thus, Obama may have won those battleground states by 1% or 2% more than he actually did but for the gun issue. The truth is, most Americans do not feel the gun control issue is that important. A recent Gallup Poll found that only 4% of Americans feel that it is an important issue:
Gallup: Only 4% of Americans Think Gun Control is an Important Problem | CNS News
That is in the midst of Sandy Hook and proposed gun legislation all over the news channels. As we move further away from a crisis, that number will decline further. Of those die hards remaining, I believe that the fanatic pro gun rights people will outnumber the fanatic anti gun rights people about 100 to one... and that is the reason for the power the NRA weilds. It makes little difference for a clear favorite, but where everything else is equal, it may in fact be a difference.
Romney must have been pretty repugnant.
Yeah. Which is why I said the Dems won't be able to make a point of this in 2014 or 2016.
Because he has no clue what he is doing.He promoted bills that would have 0 impact on the murders they wrapped this legislation around. His bills did NOTHING to prevent school shootings.
Those were the parameters that he set shortly after the shooting and he failed to meet them with his bills. He campaigned to protect children and offered a completely disconnected solution.
Also worth noting was the level of anger he displayed at his speech after loosing. All the name calling pretty much sealed the fate for any future legislation on this subject. The idiot still thinks you can insult your opposition and somehow expect them to work with you in the future.
Obama acts like an amateur and we're witnessing the results
Wrong as usual. The idiot dimwits have said time and agian they are not coming after our guns, then they do. LET THEM TRY!!!!The fact that 99.9% of the conservatives on this site and that make up the uninformed rabid base of the party were manipulated to think "they're coming for our guns" is a major driving force behind why this legislation was DOA.
He promoted bills that would have 0 impact on the murders they wrapped this legislation around. His bills did NOTHING to prevent school shootings.
Those were the parameters that he set shortly after the shooting and he failed to meet them with his bills. He campaigned to protect children and offered a completely disconnected solution.
Also worth noting was the level of anger he displayed at his speech after loosing. All the name calling pretty much sealed the fate for any future legislation on this subject. The idiot still thinks you can insult your opposition and somehow expect them to work with you in the future.
Obama acts like an amateur and we're witnessing the results
Reid breaks the rules all the time, have you cried about that?He promoted bills that would have 0 impact on the murders they wrapped this legislation around. His bills did NOTHING to prevent school shootings.
Those were the parameters that he set shortly after the shooting and he failed to meet them with his bills. He campaigned to protect children and offered a completely disconnected solution.
Also worth noting was the level of anger he displayed at his speech after loosing. All the name calling pretty much sealed the fate for any future legislation on this subject. The idiot still thinks you can insult your opposition and somehow expect them to work with you in the future.
Obama acts like an amateur and we're witnessing the results
In what world did Obama "lose" the gun debate?
The only thing that happened was a minority of Senators blocked legislation on background checks.
Legislation that the vast majority of American Citizens happens to agree with.
He didn't "lose the debate", he suffered a minor set back that was brought about by manipulating the rules, not by a debate loss.
False.He promoted bills that would have 0 impact on the murders they wrapped this legislation around. His bills did NOTHING to prevent school shootings.
Those were the parameters that he set shortly after the shooting and he failed to meet them with his bills. He campaigned to protect children and offered a completely disconnected solution.
Also worth noting was the level of anger he displayed at his speech after loosing. All the name calling pretty much sealed the fate for any future legislation on this subject. The idiot still thinks you can insult your opposition and somehow expect them to work with you in the future.
Obama acts like an amateur and we're witnessing the results
Disagree.
There never was a debate. One cant lose something he never had a chance to win in the first place.
I and several others at the outset of the ammo hoarding and gun buying frenzy stated as much, and noted the idiocy of the extreme right with regard warnings of a new AWB and gun confiscation.
If you want to be critical of the president at least make your criticism accurate, and blame Obama for being so naïve as to believe any gun control measures could be passed in the first place it was foolish for him to even try.
Of course, if Obama had refused to pursue new gun measures, he would have been criticized for that as well. The whole gun thing was a lose/lose for Obama and democrats from the get-go.
He promoted bills that would have 0 impact on the murders they wrapped this legislation around. His bills did NOTHING to prevent school shootings.
Those were the parameters that he set shortly after the shooting and he failed to meet them with his bills. He campaigned to protect children and offered a completely disconnected solution.
Also worth noting was the level of anger he displayed at his speech after loosing. All the name calling pretty much sealed the fate for any future legislation on this subject. The idiot still thinks you can insult your opposition and somehow expect them to work with you in the future.
Obama acts like an amateur and we're witnessing the results
In what world did Obama "lose" the gun debate?
The only thing that happened was a minority of Senators blocked legislation on background checks.
Legislation that the vast majority of American Citizens happens to agree with.
He didn't "lose the debate", he suffered a minor set back that was brought about by manipulating the rules, not by a debate loss.
