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I disagree with thatIOW you're hawking a fantasy.
You're going to put a $2400 annual income tax on someone making minimum wage of what, 16,000 a year...
lol good one.
It's not a fantasy as It's already the case; go look up the distribution effects of inflation and then see what it does to a person making $16K a year buying power then go ahead and add in all the other hidden taxes that person pays and see what you come up with. That's the great "benefit" of current system of progressive taxation you seem to love so much, the "rich" get to claim "See how much we pay in taxes!" while at the same time using their legions of attorneys and accountants to wring every advantage out of it, the poor and the middle class get royally screwed and aren't even aware of it.
At least moving to a flat income tax levels the playing field from both a practical and moral perspective, of course the "rich" and well connected will never allow a flat tax system because it's not in their best interests.
Not to mention, most flat tax proposals I have read exempt a certain level of income, usually the federal poverty level. So, the tax doesn't kick in until about $20k or so.
If we are going to tax an earned dollar then tax every earned dollar
Well, I respectfully disagree. I think levying an income tax on the working poor is counterproductive.
You realize I am completely against institutionalized income inequality, right?Like our poor and middle class getting fucked? Yea, I know.Always funny when lefties bitch about re-distribution to the top, but don't realize they vote for that bullshit every election
Do you not understand that income inequality has repercussions.
Try voting with sense; instead of your empty birth control container or fake dick
Emotion based word salad ^^^
Repercussions can be large or small:
List of revolutions and rebellions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That's nothing. You should see some of the stuff Thomas Paine wrote. It would make Bernie Sanders glow with pride.It isn't surprising, coming from him lolO'rly?Marxism 101
Letter from Thomas Jefferson to James Madison.Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise.
BOMBSHELL BREAKING: CONSERVATIVE HERO THOMAS JEFFERSON HAS JUST BEEN UNMASKED AS A MARXIST!
no tax is fair. And that's why your OP is fail. That and it's argument is based on facts that don't exist.I disagree with thatNot to mention, most flat tax proposals I have read exempt a certain level of income, usually the federal poverty level. So, the tax doesn't kick in until about $20k or so.
If we are going to tax an earned dollar then tax every earned dollar
Well, I respectfully disagree. I think levying an income tax on the working poor is counterproductive.
Then it's no longer a flat tax
But, there are valid argument for a simplified code
I see the need for taxes so if we are going to tax anything then each of those anythings should be taxed at the same rate for everyone
You say the rich use attorneys to wring "every advantage" out of a progressive tax. What advantage does a progressive tax have for the rich that a flat tax does not?IOW you're hawking a fantasy.
You're going to put a $2400 annual income tax on someone making minimum wage of what, 16,000 a year...
lol good one.
It's not a fantasy as It's already the case; go look up the distribution effects of inflation and then see what it does to a person making $16K a year buying power then go ahead and add in all the other hidden taxes that person pays and see what you come up with. That's the great "benefit" of current system of progressive taxation you seem to love so much, the "rich" get to claim "See how much we pay in taxes!" while at the same time using their legions of attorneys and accountants to wring every advantage out of it, the poor and the middle class get royally screwed and aren't even aware of it.
At least moving to a flat income tax levels the playing field from both a practical and moral perspective, of course the "rich" and well connected will never allow a flat tax system because it's not in their best interests.
I will tell you. None.
What the tax accountants do is exploit the $1.2 trillion of tax expenditures in the tax code. And those tax expenditures have NOTHING to do with the fact we have a progressive tax. Those very same tax expenditures would be carried right over into the flat tax system.
Even with a progressive income tax, you could fill out your taxes on a post card today if there were no such thing as tax expenditures.
I disagree with thatIOW you're hawking a fantasy.
You're going to put a $2400 annual income tax on someone making minimum wage of what, 16,000 a year...
lol good one.
It's not a fantasy as It's already the case; go look up the distribution effects of inflation and then see what it does to a person making $16K a year buying power then go ahead and add in all the other hidden taxes that person pays and see what you come up with. That's the great "benefit" of current system of progressive taxation you seem to love so much, the "rich" get to claim "See how much we pay in taxes!" while at the same time using their legions of attorneys and accountants to wring every advantage out of it, the poor and the middle class get royally screwed and aren't even aware of it.
At least moving to a flat income tax levels the playing field from both a practical and moral perspective, of course the "rich" and well connected will never allow a flat tax system because it's not in their best interests.
Not to mention, most flat tax proposals I have read exempt a certain level of income, usually the federal poverty level. So, the tax doesn't kick in until about $20k or so.
If we are going to tax an earned dollar then tax every earned dollar
Well, I respectfully disagree. I think levying an income tax on the working poor is counterproductive.
How about the non-working poor? should welfare payments be taxed as an incentive to get off the dole?
but seriously, I do think that there should be a floor on a flat tax. If you make under $X, you pay no income tax, or you pay it and get it back as a refund at the end of the year.
the problem is that there is no incentive to make $X+1 since if you did that you would go from zero tax to paying the flat rate and have a net loss of income.
Then it's no longer a flat tax
no tax is fair. And that's why your OP is fail. That and it's argument is based on facts that don't exist.I disagree with that
If we are going to tax an earned dollar then tax every earned dollar
Well, I respectfully disagree. I think levying an income tax on the working poor is counterproductive.
Then it's no longer a flat tax
But, there are valid argument for a simplified code
I see the need for taxes so if we are going to tax anything then each of those anythings should be taxed at the same rate for everyone
Why? By your logic everyone should be paid the same hourly rate no matter the job they do. The guy who hits 40 home runs and drives in 100 or more should be paid the same as the guy who hits 250 and drives in less than 20?
no tax is fair. And that's why your OP is fail. That and it's argument is based on facts that don't exist.I disagree with that
If we are going to tax an earned dollar then tax every earned dollar
Well, I respectfully disagree. I think levying an income tax on the working poor is counterproductive.
Then it's no longer a flat tax
But, there are valid argument for a simplified code
I see the need for taxes so if we are going to tax anything then each of those anythings should be taxed at the same rate for everyone
Why? By your logic everyone should be paid the same hourly rate no matter the job they do. The guy who hits 40 home runs and drives in 100 or more should be paid the same as the guy who hits 250 and drives in less than 20?
You realize I am completely against institutionalized income inequality, right?Like our poor and middle class getting fucked? Yea, I know.Always funny when lefties bitch about re-distribution to the top, but don't realize they vote for that bullshit every election
Do you not understand that income inequality has repercussions.
Try voting with sense; instead of your empty birth control container or fake dick
Emotion based word salad ^^^
Repercussions can be large or small:
List of revolutions and rebellions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I disagree with thatIt's not a fantasy as It's already the case; go look up the distribution effects of inflation and then see what it does to a person making $16K a year buying power then go ahead and add in all the other hidden taxes that person pays and see what you come up with. That's the great "benefit" of current system of progressive taxation you seem to love so much, the "rich" get to claim "See how much we pay in taxes!" while at the same time using their legions of attorneys and accountants to wring every advantage out of it, the poor and the middle class get royally screwed and aren't even aware of it.
At least moving to a flat income tax levels the playing field from both a practical and moral perspective, of course the "rich" and well connected will never allow a flat tax system because it's not in their best interests.
Not to mention, most flat tax proposals I have read exempt a certain level of income, usually the federal poverty level. So, the tax doesn't kick in until about $20k or so.
If we are going to tax an earned dollar then tax every earned dollar
Well, I respectfully disagree. I think levying an income tax on the working poor is counterproductive.
How about the non-working poor? should welfare payments be taxed as an incentive to get off the dole?
but seriously, I do think that there should be a floor on a flat tax. If you make under $X, you pay no income tax, or you pay it and get it back as a refund at the end of the year.
the problem is that there is no incentive to make $X+1 since if you did that you would go from zero tax to paying the flat rate and have a net loss of income.
No one has ever defined welfare benefits as income
Progressive income taxes are based on the subjective marginal utility analysis that basically says idiots in government can decide if you "need" all the money you make or not and that they are justified in taking the money they decide you don't "need"
Well all of you who love this type of blatantly unfair tax scheme I ask you why stop at income?
Why not use progressive tax schemes for everything that is taxed?
Let's say you own a 4 bedroom home but you and your wife have only 1 kid. You only "need" 2 bedrooms so some moron in your state government can decide that those 2 bedrooms must be taken from you and given to someone else and then inserts 2 people into your home because they "need" those rooms and you don't
What about a vacation home? Surely you don't "need" that if you only use it on occasion.
You and your wife have 2 cars and you have your dream car in the garage you don't need that classic 1969 GTO so why not let the government take it from you to give to someone who does "need" it
I bet that sounds like a great plan to some of you doesn't it?
If you want to argue against imaginary scenarios you need to find some imaginary people to take the other side.
no tax is fair. And that's why your OP is fail. That and it's argument is based on facts that don't exist.I disagree with thatIt's not a fantasy as It's already the case; go look up the distribution effects of inflation and then see what it does to a person making $16K a year buying power then go ahead and add in all the other hidden taxes that person pays and see what you come up with. That's the great "benefit" of current system of progressive taxation you seem to love so much, the "rich" get to claim "See how much we pay in taxes!" while at the same time using their legions of attorneys and accountants to wring every advantage out of it, the poor and the middle class get royally screwed and aren't even aware of it.
At least moving to a flat income tax levels the playing field from both a practical and moral perspective, of course the "rich" and well connected will never allow a flat tax system because it's not in their best interests.
Not to mention, most flat tax proposals I have read exempt a certain level of income, usually the federal poverty level. So, the tax doesn't kick in until about $20k or so.
If we are going to tax an earned dollar then tax every earned dollar
Well, I respectfully disagree. I think levying an income tax on the working poor is counterproductive.
Then it's no longer a flat tax
But, there are valid argument for a simplified code
I'd rather we move away from taxes on production (income) and move toward taxes on consumption (sales).
I disagree with thatNot to mention, most flat tax proposals I have read exempt a certain level of income, usually the federal poverty level. So, the tax doesn't kick in until about $20k or so.
If we are going to tax an earned dollar then tax every earned dollar
Well, I respectfully disagree. I think levying an income tax on the working poor is counterproductive.
How about the non-working poor? should welfare payments be taxed as an incentive to get off the dole?
but seriously, I do think that there should be a floor on a flat tax. If you make under $X, you pay no income tax, or you pay it and get it back as a refund at the end of the year.
the problem is that there is no incentive to make $X+1 since if you did that you would go from zero tax to paying the flat rate and have a net loss of income.
No one has ever defined welfare benefits as income
are they not income? actually unemployment benefits are considered income and are included as taxable income on the 1040 form.
Who says I'm a "lib". You? BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!I'd rather we move away from taxes on production (income) and move toward taxes on consumption (sales).
so you want to tax welfare moms on baby diapers? interesting coming from lib.
It has its merits but the Fair ax proposal is way too complicatedI'd rather we move away from taxes on production (income) and move toward taxes on consumption (sales).
The prebate mitigates the regressive nature of a sales tax. Not giving anything back and lowering the rate does not.It has its merits but the Fair ax proposal is way too complicatedI'd rather we move away from taxes on production (income) and move toward taxes on consumption (sales).
It collects tax from everyone then gives some back every month
It makes no sense to do that just charge a lower rate and don't give anything back
