Why the Ashli Babbitt was an insurrectionist and Byrd felt his life threatened doesn't hold water

[Harpy Eagle]

Deliberate killing of someone who is not an immediate lethal threat to anyone, is the exact definition of murder.
There is nothing that could have been done to make it any more of a murder unless Ashli has been asleep.

Sorry, you are wrong again. The exact definition of murder is an unlawful killing. This killing was not found to be unlawful, thus there is no murder.

 

[Rigby5]

If you're going up against the FBI, don't surround yourself with family.

Easy enough.

Randy Weaver did nothing illegal at all.
He had been the local sheriff, and knew the law very well, and would never have violated the law.

What the FBI charged him with is shortening a shotgun barrel 1/4" under directions from an FBI customer, and that is not illegal.
When the sawed off shotgun ban comes into play legally, is what you do with the shortened barrel?
If you use it to launch grappling hooks, it is perfectly legal.
If you use it for blanks on a sound stage or to start races, it is perfectly legal.
If you add a choke to the end of it, that makes it perfectly legal even if you assemble it back into a hunting shotgun.

And Randy Weaver did not shoot at any FBI, so the FBI had no legal authority to start the shooting.
It was outright murder.
It was a sneak attack.

 

[bripat9643]

Sorry, you are wrong again. The exact definition of murder is an unlawful killing. This killing was not found to be unlawful, thus there is no murder.

It was not found to be unlawful by the DOJ and the DC police department. They are hardly disinterested parties.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It was not found to be unlawful by the DOJ and the DC police department. They are hardly disinterested parties.

It was found to be lawful in the same way most police shootings are, by departmental investigations.

Are you suggesting that every single police shooting should end up in front a judge and a jury?

 

[Doc7505]

What is interesting however, is that all these people are being illegally held without bail or communications.

Exactly. It's a violation of habeas Corpus.

habeas corpus

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Harpy Eagle]

What is interesting however, is that all these people are being illegally held without bail or communications.

Look up the NDAA of 2012 that was passed by a huge bi-partisan margin in both houses that gives the Executive Branch the power of indefinite detention to anyone that classify committing terrorism.

Personally I was ranting and raving about how bad this was, how it was wrong for Congress to attempt to give the Executive Branch that sort of power.

But here we are seeing it play out

 

[BlindBoo]

The rest backing up shows they were NOT intending to cause a lethal threat so did not expect a lethal response.
Which proves the lethal response was NOT NECESSARY, and therefore ILLEGAL.

Well, backing up showed they weren't all fucking stupid.

 

[The Original Tree]

Correct. She was breaking the law and suffered the consequences. It's a tragedy that she was so brainwashed that she broke the law for someone who didn't care about her (or you).

Too bad people rioting and burning down entire neighborhoods being cheered on by Pelosi and the Demon Dems didn't suffer 'The Consequences'.

 

[Doc7505]

Sorry, you are wrong again. The exact definition of murder is an unlawful killing. This killing was not found to be unlawful, thus there is no murder.

Please explain the law as to why this killing was lawful. Was Babbitt, fleeing the scene of a crime? Was she resisting arrest? Was she carrying a firearm/ weapon?
Oddly when the shot was fired there were three armed D.C. police officers behind her.

Video shows the moment Ashli Babbitt was fatally shot in Capitol

New video shows the moment a woman was fatally shot as protesters stormed the Capitol on Wednesday. The minute-long clip posted to YouTube begins by showing a group of four armed cops rushing up an…

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[Rigby5]

Sorry, you are wrong again. The exact definition of murder is an unlawful killing. This killing was not found to be unlawful, thus there is no murder.

Some one claiming it was lawful does not make it lawful.
It never went to court or a judge.
We never got transcripts.
We have no idea who said what.
That is not legal.
If this is legal, then all cops could be shot on sight since they are armed and potentially a lethal threat.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Some one claiming it was lawful does not make it lawful.
It never went to court or a judge.

Neither do most police involved shootings. This one followed the same rules as all of them.

If this is legal, then all cops could be shot on sight since they are armed and potentially a lethal threat.

Go for it. Let us know how it is working out for you.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Ashli Babbitt fucked around and found out.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Babbit's size made her the only person capable of squeezing through that small opening.
So who are "the people following" Babbit to do battle with Pelosi mall cops? There were none.

Nobody followed her because they got the message.

 

[Rigby5]

It was found to be lawful in the same way most police shootings are, by departmental investigations.

Are you suggesting that every single police shooting should end up in front a judge and a jury?

YES!
Every single shooting by police should ALWAYS get judicial review.
Why do you think we have BLM riots?
It is because police and their internal review boards are racist, bigoted, and corrupt liars and murderers.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Nobody followed her because they got the message.

Yep, after that shot they ran like roaches when you turn on the light.

Bunch of damn cowards they all turned out to be

 

[Rigby5]

Look up the NDAA of 2012 that was passed by a huge bi-partisan margin in both houses that gives the Executive Branch the power of indefinite detention to anyone that classify committing terrorism.

Personally I was ranting and raving about how bad this was, how it was wrong for Congress to attempt to give the Executive Branch that sort of power.

But here we are seeing it play out

The number of people who agree with something illegal does not make it any more legal.
All you are pointing out is that ALL of congress is totally corrupt and needs to be destroyed.

I do not even believe it was legal when Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War.
There can be some emergency I could imagine, but not 9/11 or Jan 6.

But clearly a "terrorist" is one who tried to illegally extort a civilian population through deadly threat.
There were no deadly threats in Jan 6.

 

[Rigby5]

Well, backing up showed they weren't all fucking stupid.

Irrelevant.
If they had a deadly intent, then they would have been prepared for being shot at, and would in turn have killed Bryd.
The fact they did not apply a deadly response to the murder of Ashli shows they never had deadly intent or deadly means.

 

[Rigby5]

Neither do most police involved shootings. This one followed the same rules as all of them.



Go for it. Let us know how it is working out for you.

No, the RULES are that deadly force can not be used unless one is forced to in defense of a deadly threat.
There was no deadly threat from Ashli.

 

[Rigby5]

Ashli Babbitt fucked around and found out.

So now the police can secretly decide what arbitrary act can cause anyone to be murdered?
If they can shoot someone for entering a deserted hallway, they can shoot anyone for anything.

 

[Rigby5]

Nobody followed her because they got the message.

Which proves no one had any deadly intent.
If they had, then that would have been the time for Bryd to have been killed.