Why the fight against Birth Control?

[Pumpkin Row]

You want to make them take responsibility but you don't want to make that choice any easier by providing free bc.

You think abortion is horrible but you don't want to reduce the rates by making birth control free.

You want them to suffer the consequences for their bad choices but those consequences may include children which you also don't want to support on the government dime.

It seems that it's not just about personal responsibility, it's about moral judgements and punishment.

Of course it's horrible, yet you don't seem to think that people should be held accountable for their actions. If people are given birth control with other people's money, they aren't being held accountable.

Guess they should think about that before sleeping around.

Not true. Nobody else should be forced to pay for someone else's stuff. Something liberals seem take as the solution to literally everything. Something's wrong with society? Let everyone shirk their own responsibilities and everyone else can pay for it.

Yet I have to pay for the education of other people's kids

Which I don't support, either. There should only be homeschooling and private schooling. Are you going to make a point somewhere?

 

[Coyote]

You want to make them take responsibility but you don't want to make that choice any easier by providing free bc.

You think abortion is horrible but you don't want to reduce the rates by making birth control free.

You want them to suffer the consequences for their bad choices but those consequences may include children which you also don't want to support on the government dime.

It seems that it's not just about personal responsibility, it's about moral judgements and punishment.

Of course it's horrible, yet you don't seem to think that people should be held accountable for their actions. If people are given birth control with other people's money, they aren't being held accountable.

Guess they should think about that before sleeping around.

Not true. Nobody else should be forced to pay for someone else's stuff. Something liberals seem take as the solution to literally everything. Something's wrong with society? Let everyone shirk their own responsibilities and everyone else can pay for it.

Yet I have to pay for the education of other people's kids

Which I don't support, either. There should only be homeschooling and private schooling. Are you going to make a point somewhere?

I've made my point throughout the thread, if you bothered to read.

There are certain things that benefit our country that everyone pays for. Where most of us disagree is what those things are and what the government responsibility should be.

Ok so you don't think schooling should be publically funded. Have you really thought that out? One of the great strengths of our country is free schooling paid for through our taxes. It has given everyone, from every strata an opportunity that might otherwise not exist, to succeed. Without, it would be impossible for most to ever escape poverty. Look at those countries where everyone pays out of pocket and poor people struggle to fund even one child in the family. What is the literacy rate in those countries?

An educated populace benefits all. Whether it's in jobs, understanding issues, literacy, contributions to science, etc. Countries without it often have huge gaps between poor and rich, and not much middle class. They also have more social unrest. Home schooling is fine if your parents don't both have to work to feed their family and, if they themselves are competent to do the job. Private schools are very expensive, their quality is all over the board, and vouchers and tax credits only cover some of the costs. Public education might not always be the best, but at least it is there.

Things like education benefit society at large. In my view so does free birth control if it reduces teen pregnancies and abortion rates which have a high social cost. I'd rather pay for prevention and education than welfare later on because a teen dropped out of school.

It's easy to say they should all suffer the consequences and no one should help the "whore", but many are kids themselves a d if something like free birth control can help them make the RIGHT decisions, I see no reason to be punitive and moralistic about it.

 

[Grizz]

Why do all Lefty's demand free shit?

 

[Coyote]

You want to make them take responsibility but you don't want to make that choice any easier by providing free bc.

You think abortion is horrible but you don't want to reduce the rates by making birth control free.

You want them to suffer the consequences for their bad choices but those consequences may include children which you also don't want to support on the government dime.

It seems that it's not just about personal responsibility, it's about moral judgements and punishment.

Of course it's horrible, and unconstitutional, which is why it should be illegal. Yet you don't seem to think that people should be held accountable for their actions. If people are given birth control with other people's money, they aren't being held accountable.

Guess they should think about that before sleeping around.

Not true. Nobody else should be forced to pay for someone else's stuff. Something liberals seem take as the solution to literally everything. Something's wrong with society? Let everyone shirk their own responsibilities and everyone else can pay for it.

If you think abortion is horrible, then why don't you want to take steps to reduce it? If free birth control and education help people make the right choices, it makes sense to do it.

Your attitude seems more about punishment that responsibility and doesn't seem like it would do anything about actually preventing the problem . You have labeled them all whores and cast them out of humanity.

Do you support sex education in schools?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Why do all Lefty's demand free shit?

Some things should be free.. I know you're going to call me a Lefty..

Public schooling should be free.. Birth control should be free.. Higher education should be free..

I agree with the Lefty's on that I am old but not that old.

And I don't mind paying in taxes for that because it's the right thing to do.

.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You want to make them take responsibility but you don't want to make that choice any easier by providing free bc.

You think abortion is horrible but you don't want to reduce the rates by making birth control free.

You want them to suffer the consequences for their bad choices but those consequences may include children which you also don't want to support on the government dime.

It seems that it's not just about personal responsibility, it's about moral judgements and punishment.

Of course it's horrible, and unconstitutional, which is why it should be illegal. Yet you don't seem to think that people should be held accountable for their actions. If people are given birth control with other people's money, they aren't being held accountable.

Guess they should think about that before sleeping around.

Not true. Nobody else should be forced to pay for someone else's stuff. Something liberals seem take as the solution to literally everything. Something's wrong with society? Let everyone shirk their own responsibilities and everyone else can pay for it.

If you think abortion is horrible, then why don't you want to take steps to reduce it? If free birth control and education help people make the right choices, it makes sense to do it.

Your attitude seems more about punishment that responsibility and doesn't seem like it would do anything about actually preventing the problem . You have labeled them all whores and cast them out of humanity.

Do you support sex education in schools?

A little pill is way better than the horror of a baby that has to go through in a abortion..

I never now how a woman sleeps at night knowing what she did.

 

[rightwinger]

While I don't see many "fighting" against it, some of us think abstinence is the most effective form of birth control. And it's free.

Every unwanted pregnancy is the result of a failure of abstinence

 

[OldLady]

Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.

Who, exactly, is fighting against birth control?

Mostly, it's offering it through the ACA that I mean.

Well, because the ACA is mandatory, and the Catholic Church does not believe in birth control, they don't believe they should be forced to offer it in their insurance programs to employees. So say the Little Sisters of the Poor.

 

[12icer]

The problem is when you force a person like a devout Catholic, or a IEHOVA Witness to pay for something they are opposed to by their faith, THAT IS A VIOLATION of their FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT to practice their faith. The women who want birth control have NO right to violate the rights of those who do not believe in the use of birth control. So now how do you assure each of those people that their paid in tax money will not be used to purchase something for someone else that they will not purchase for themselves? Funny that if a trannie is offended because they cant pee in a particular restroom it is major thing, but if religious denominations of many times more people are offended by paying for something they completely abhor and are barred from doing by their faith, It is a minor thing to so many.

 

[OldLady]

Is there such a thing as a private insurance plan that didn't/doesn't cover birth control? Do people realize that when they were purchasing BC/BS they were also paying in for birth control? Did Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses refuse insurance altogether back when that was allowed? It isn't actually any different.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.

Who, exactly, is fighting against birth control?

Mostly, it's offering it through the ACA that I mean.

Well, because the ACA is mandatory, and the Catholic Church does not believe in birth control, they don't believe they should be forced to offer it in their insurance programs to employees. So say the Little Sisters of the Poor.

That's why I left the Catholic Church..

But I will be damn if I stop asking for mother Mary for help..

I don't know what it is about her.. Every time I think about her she sends chills through my body..

Its like when every time I am abandon
I think of her and call her.. And she always never lets me down.

 

[Tilly]

If people would just make the effort to get their priorities in order, i.e. cut out the fast food, cigarettes, alcohol, drugs and any other crap they don't NEED, they'd be able to afford the stuff they DO NEED i.e. condoms or contraceptive pills.

For those who allegedly still can't afford a packet of condoms, there is PP and other organisations that give them out for nothing.

People who are being given endless freebies and being told over and over again that not only do they not have to excersise personal responsibility, they don't even have to prioritise where they spend the money they do have, are not going to prioritise how they utilise their resources, and are not going to learn how to take responsibility for themselves and their lives.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.

You gonna buy me viagra and porn9 magazines when I get old and want sex?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You want to make them take responsibility but you don't want to make that choice any easier by providing free bc.

You think abortion is horrible but you don't want to reduce the rates by making birth control free.

You want them to suffer the consequences for their bad choices but those consequences may include children which you also don't want to support on the government dime.

It seems that it's not just about personal responsibility, it's about moral judgements and punishment.

Of course it's horrible, yet you don't seem to think that people should be held accountable for their actions. If people are given birth control with other people's money, they aren't being held accountable.

Guess they should think about that before sleeping around.

Not true. Nobody else should be forced to pay for someone else's stuff. Something liberals seem take as the solution to literally everything. Something's wrong with society? Let everyone shirk their own responsibilities and everyone else can pay for it.

Yet I have to pay for the education of other people's kids

Not the same. Education benefits everyone. Birth Control for pleasure sack benefits only the selfish.

 

[Tilly]

You want to make them take responsibility but you don't want to make that choice any easier by providing free bc.

You think abortion is horrible but you don't want to reduce the rates by making birth control free.

You want them to suffer the consequences for their bad choices but those consequences may include children which you also don't want to support on the government dime.

It seems that it's not just about personal responsibility, it's about moral judgements and punishment.

Of course it's horrible, yet you don't seem to think that people should be held accountable for their actions. If people are given birth control with other people's money, they aren't being held accountable.

Guess they should think about that before sleeping around.

Not true. Nobody else should be forced to pay for someone else's stuff. Something liberals seem take as the solution to literally everything. Something's wrong with society? Let everyone shirk their own responsibilities and everyone else can pay for it.

Yet I have to pay for the education of other people's kids

Not the same. Education benefits everyone. Birth Control for pleasure sack benefits only the selfish.

I seriously doubt there is anyone in the US (apart from the homeless) who truly couldn't afford a packet of condoms if they just got their priorities in order.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.

Who, exactly, is fighting against birth control?

Mostly, it's offering it through the ACA that I mean.

Well, because the ACA is mandatory, and the Catholic Church does not believe in birth control, they don't believe they should be forced to offer it in their insurance programs to employees. So say the Little Sisters of the Poor.

That's why I left the Catholic Church..

But I will be damn if I stop asking for mother Mary for help..

I don't know what it is about her.. Every time I think about her she sends chills through my body..

Its like when every time I am abandon
I think of her and call her.. And she always never lets me down.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.

Who, exactly, is fighting against birth control?

Mostly, it's offering it through the ACA that I mean.

Well, because the ACA is mandatory, and the Catholic Church does not believe in birth control, they don't believe they should be forced to offer it in their insurance programs to employees. So say the Little Sisters of the Poor.

That's why I left the Catholic Church..

But I will be damn if I stop asking for mother Mary for help..

I don't know what it is about her.. Every time I think about her she sends chills through my body..

Its like when every time I am abandon
I think of her and call her.. And she always never lets me down.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Coyote going to buy me a subscription to the Playboy channel?

 

[OldLady]

Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.

Who, exactly, is fighting against birth control?

Mostly, it's offering it through the ACA that I mean.

Well, because the ACA is mandatory, and the Catholic Church does not believe in birth control, they don't believe they should be forced to offer it in their insurance programs to employees. So say the Little Sisters of the Poor.

That's why I left the Catholic Church..

But I will be damn if I stop asking for mother Mary for help..

I don't know what it is about her.. Every time I think about her she sends chills through my body..

Its like when every time I am abandon
I think of her and call her.. And she always never lets me down.

Mary has helped me out, too. I don't think she cares if you go to church.
I doubt she rejoices to see unwanted or addicted babies born into this world, or babies born into a family with no way to feed it.

 

[Fenton Lum]

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So your belief is more important than actual societal effects.

Of course it is. We all have our own beliefs and mores, and moral systems we live by. This is mine. I see sex as a recreational activity. I don't expect you to pay for my recreational activities, and I don't want to pay for yours.

That's fine, your view is your view. Just wanted to make sure I understood that the outcome for the rest of society comes second to your belief system. So at that point there's no need for evidence of societal outcomes or any other discussion as far as the rest of society goes, you just want what you want and you think that is some kind of moral underpinning.

That's a great deal of the problem with american society, we don't really have one, a society, we have a bunch of individuals who don't give a fuck about society at all, they just want whatever they want with no regard for their fellow citizens. That's their view of some type of morality. "I believe xyz and I don't really care about what that might mean for the rest of society, and evidence and reality have no bearing on what I believe".