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I dont think most catholics understand these terms which are the foundation of the New Covenant. Justification, sanctification, salvation. Justification sets people free from sin's penalty; sanctification means being set from sin's power. Justification is something that God does for us; sanctification is what God does with us. Justification is by grace through faith, while sanctification is by grace applied in life.No, the disciples were Christ's emissaries. They are not mediators between us and God. There is only one mediator.
The next question is difficult to answer, because the Bible isn't specific on the matter, and the answer is and always has been a bone of contention. I tend to believe what Paul believed for several reasons. But, It's one of those things that we'll find out when we get there.
As for dear Mary, who was just a child when she said yes to God. I asked the girls my youth group if they would have said yes, and they all said they would. Then I told them if they said yes there were men with machine guns ready to mow them down when they left the building, would they still say yes. Because that is what Mary faced. Death by stoning. Then she went to the house of a Pharisee to announce her condition. That took guts. Joseph didn't believe her.
She was 9 months pregnant and bounced her way to Bethlehem on a donkey. And she watched her baby boy suffer and die a horrible death. I don't know how she did it. God sure did pick the right girl for the job.
Is she a mediator between us and God? No. There is only one. Are we told in the Bible to pray to her? No. It is our Father who hears our prayers.
Luke 11: 27-28
As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”
He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it
.Jesus told the Apostles to spread the Good News. Do you consider them mediators? Do you believe that with never hearing the story of Christ, people would be introduced to him by the Holy Spirit? Did Mary have anything to do with Jesus entering the world and setting forth on his mission?
.Jesus doesn't need our help in His perfect plan of salvation. All we have to do is repent and realize we need a Savior and Jesus is the only one. SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT. FREE.GIFT. Nothing we did or do to deserve it. The catholics and all other religions remind me of the pharisees thinking they can earn their way to heaven- the first sin pride still fresh today.
It appears non-Catholic Christians believe Jesus is still mediating between mankind and God. Traditional Catholic teaching is a bit different. Christ's mediation between God and man took place on the cross. By the cross and obedience to God, Jesus redeemed the entire world, opening up ("mediating") the way of salvation for everyone. Recall, the curtain in the Temple was split and the presence of God was open to everyone, not just the holy priesthood. In fact, with Jesus' sacrifice, we all became that holy priesthood.No, the disciples were Christ's emissaries. They are not mediators between us and God. There is only one mediator.
Jesus asked us to spread the Good News, to teach the Way of Salvation as he taught. That makes us (including Mary) emissaries, and there is reason to believe that Mary has made appearances as an emissary to the world over the centuries. Once more, not as mediator--the mediation took place on the cross--but as emissary.The next question is difficult to answer, because the Bible isn't specific on the matter, and the answer is and always has been a bone of contention. I tend to believe what Paul believed for several reasons. But, It's one of those things that we'll find out when we get there.
Mary and her family seemed to have been members of a sect where some (like John the Baptist) made vows of virginity/chastity to God. Yes, it does take a bit of reading between the lines, but what would have been obvious to early Christians is that Mary made a vow of virginity to God (her sacrifice to God) and Joseph, a vow of chastity (his sacrifice to God).As for dear Mary, who was just a child when she said yes to God. I asked the girls my youth group if they would have said yes, and they all said they would. Then I told them if they said yes there were men with machine guns ready to mow them down when they left the building, would they still say yes. Because that is what Mary faced. Death by stoning. Then she went to the house of a Pharisee to announce her condition. That took guts. Joseph didn't believe her.
She was 9 months pregnant and bounced her way to Bethlehem on a donkey. And she watched her baby boy suffer and die a horrible death. I don't know how she did it. God sure did pick the right girl for the job.
Is she a mediator between us and God? No. There is only one. Are we told in the Bible to pray to her? No. It is our Father who hears our prayers.
Mary heard the word of God. She obeyed it. Jesus was not downplaying his mother, but raising her up. It wasn't giving birth or nursing him that made her blessed. She was blessed due to her hearing the word of God and obeying it.Luke 11: 27-28
As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”
He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it
Self-administered brow-beating. Manned churches aren't open 24/7.Why the rosary is a most important prayer/meditation all Christians should say daily
You're saying people don't have to put forth any effort or works to achieve Heaven, and that is contrary to the Bible.Jesus doesn't need our help in His perfect plan of salvation. All we have to do is repent and realize we need a Savior and Jesus is the only one. SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT. FREE.GIFT. Nothing we did or do to deserve it. The catholics and all other religions remind me of the pharisees thinking they can earn their way to heaven- the first sin pride still fresh today.
It appears The Irish Ram may see the act of praying for someone as in a role of emissary, not a role of mediator. Instead of mistakenly believing Catholics see Mary as a mediator, non-Catholics Christians should realize Catholics see Mary as anyone else who spreads the Gospel message or prays for others as an emissary.I guess if your friend agrees to pray for you, they become a mediator. So what people here are saying is that when my neighbor asks me to pray for their sick child, I should tell them to shove it and let this kid do its own praying.
It appears The Irish Ram may see the act of praying for someone as in a role of emissary, not a role of mediator. Instead of mistakenly believing Catholics see Mary as a mediator, non-Catholics Christians should realize Catholics see Mary as anyone else who spreads the Gospel message or prays for others as an emissary.
Some non-Catholic Christian sects have the view of the "Once and done" version of salvation. Biblically, the word for "Justification" is the same word also translated as "Righteousness". Doing what is right cleanses the soul; wrong-doing is a blight upon the soul. Repenting (turning away from wrong-doing and instead doing what is right) results in forgiveness of that sin.You're saying people don't have to put forth any effort or works to achieve Heaven, and that is contrary to the Bible.
1John 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous OneIt appears non-Catholic Christians believe Jesus is still mediating between mankind and God. Traditional Catholic teaching is a bit different. Christ's mediation between God and man took place on the cross.
It appears that Irish understands the difference between emissary and intercession:It appears The Irish Ram may see the act of praying for someone as in a role of emissary, not a role of mediator. Instead of mistakenly believing Catholics see Mary as a mediator, non-Catholics Christians should realize Catholics see Mary as anyone else who spreads the Gospel message or prays for others as an emissary
^False dogma^Mary made a vow of virginity to God
You missed the point. You have been insisting Catholics see Mary as the mediator. I simply noted that she can be emissary--and really, advocate, as well. There is not need to denigrate Mary. And that is what you have been doing. Catholics understand Mary's role, and her place in God's plan. That role, that place was never as mediator or to be worship as some accuse. So now you know.It appears that Irish understands
I get that non-Catholic Christians are convinced that Mary had other children. "Brethren" is better translated as others in the household, for example Joseph's children from another wife. It can also mean nieces, nephews. In addition, if Mary had had other sons/children, upon Jesus' death she would have been cared for by these children, not by John the Apostle...who may well have been a nephew or cousin of Mary. (I remember reading at some point that someone raising the possibility, which is all it is--a possibility.)The brothers
Here is what the Bible says that you have to do to be saved:You're saying people don't have to put forth any effort or works to achieve Heaven, and that is contrary to the Bible.
You missed the point. Some here DO believe Mary is a mediator. She is not. There is only one. I have provided the scripture that proves that. No one is denigrating Mary. So get over it. Correcting false dogma does not denigrate Mary. It corrects false dogma. And I am about to do it again:You missed the point. You have been insisting Catholics see Mary as the mediator. I simply noted that she can be emissary--and really, advocate, as well. There is not need to denigrate Mary. And that is what you have been doing. Catholics understand Mary's role, and her place in God's plan. That role, that place was never as mediator or to be worship as some accuse. So now you know.
Who else was Joseph married to, and can you point me to the scripture that verifies your "translation"?I get that non-Catholic Christians are convinced that Mary had other children. "Brethren" is better translated as others in the household, for example Joseph's children from another wife. It can also mean nieces, nephews. In addition, if Mary had had other sons/children, upon Jesus' death she would have been cared for by these children, not by John the Apostle...who may well have been a nephew or cousin of Mary. (I remember reading at some point that someone raising the possibility, which is all it is--a possibility.)
.You missed the point. Some here DO believe Mary is a mediator. She is not. There is only one. I have provided the scripture that proves that. No one is denigrating Mary. So get over it. Correcting false dogma does not denigrate Mary. It corrects false dogma. And I am about to do it again:
Not only is it false that Mary took a vow of celibacy, or virginity, it is not Biblical. I have already provided you with the names of Jesus' brothers. Do you know their names now or do I have to re-post them? You can find them mentioned here:
(Matt. 12:46; 13:55; Mark 6:3; John 2:12; 7:3, 5, 10; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor. 9:5; Gal. 1:19
I'll keep sharing scripture, and you keep sharing emojis. Because your are devoid of Biblical knowledge, you have nothing more to offer. You are ignorant of the Book and you keep proving it....
Yes, keep sharing that opinion.
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