Why Trump Was Charged On Secret Documents And Clinton, Pence Were Not

[beagle9]

You clearly have no idea you’re talking about.

That photo was taken December 7th by Walter Nauta, one of Trump conspirators who has been indicted with him. He texted it to one of his coworkers.

The photos predates any FBI investigation.

Yeah right....I don't believe you.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You clearly have no idea you’re talking about.

That photo was taken December 7th by Walter Nauta, one of Trump conspirators who has been indicted with him. He texted it to one of his coworkers.

The photos predates any FBI investigation.

Yeah right....I don't believe you.

He's correct, the above is from court documents in United State v. Trump (FL) taken from Nauta's cell phone/text account.

The next thing to do is claim that the FBI planted the image is his text account.

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[WorldWatcher]

Not only are president the peak of all classified doc authority, but clearly presidents give out lots of copies to whomever they choose, and they are NEVER returned.

You keep saying this, and it's true.

However, FPOTUS#45 isn't being charged with anything for actions prior to January 20, 2021. All charges stem from actions taken after that time when he was no longer President, the the rules that apply to the President did not apply.

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[beagle9]

You keep saying this, and it's true.

However, FPOTUS#45 isn't being charged with anything for actions prior to January 20, 2021. All charges stem from actions taken after that time when he was no longer President, the the rules that apply to the President did not apply.

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He's always the president once he was a President, just not in an everyday official capacity or role like an active one is, but certain rights he had during his official capacity, well they still extend beyond that official capacity. Such as the right to have a lifetime secret service detail, and also his right to retain and hold his declassified documents that are to be stored in a "secure" location of his choosing. The president and his records during his tenure are his and the governments property for summoning purposes if need be, so unless they have a classified status that wouldn't allow them to be removed from a government secure location that it monitors and/or views in scifs, then Trump has every right to the records or documents that he possesses.

 

[WorldWatcher]

He's always the president once he was a President, just not in an everyday official capacity or role like an active one is,

False, once he leaves office he is no longer President. There is only one President in the Oval Office at any one time. Referring to him as "Mr. President" is ceremonial only.

but certain rights he had during his official capacity, well they still extend beyond that official capacity. Such as the right to have a lifetime secret service detail,

That isn't a "right", that is authorized by Congress. Congress can remove it. (Not that I think they will.)

and also his right to retain and hold his declassified documents that are to be stored in a "secure" location of his choosing.

This is false, Presidential Records are the property of the United State government and by law must be turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration. ** THEY ** decide on the storage location.

If the President establishes a non-profit "Presidential Library", the non-profit manages the facilities. However the NARA ** STILL ** retains ownership and responsibility for the documents and will coordinate with the non-profit for public access and displays. Basically the organization manages the building, the NARA manages the Presidential Records.

The president and his records during his tenure are his and the governments property for summoning purposes if need be,

Presidential Records during his term of office are not "his", they are government property. During his term of office he is administering them as part of his official duties. Once he leaves office, by law, Presidential Records must be turned over to the NARA.

so unless they have a classified status that wouldn't allow them to be removed from a government secure location that it monitors and/or views in scifs, then Trump has every right to the records or documents that he possesses.

The documents at the center of FPOTUS'#45's legal troubles in the MAL case ** ARE ** classified documents that were removed from the White House (secure location) and sent to his social club (unsecure location).

So, no. He does not have a right to unclassified Presidential Records as they are not is. And as a separate issue, he also does not have a right to classified documents at his social club, once he left office and the government was no longer maintaining security at the facility. (There was a temporary SCIF installed at MAL during his term, but that was removed when he left office.)
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Now go ahead and flag this with "disagree" or "fake news" because the truth is something to be ignored.

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[beagle9]

False, once he leaves office he is no longer President. There is only one President in the Oval Office at any one time. Referring to him as "Mr. President" is ceremonial only.



That isn't a "right", that is authorized by Congress. Congress can remove it. (Not that I think they will.)


This is false, Presidential Records are the property of the United State government and by law must be turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration. ** THEY ** decide on the storage location.

If the President establishes a non-profit "Presidential Library", the non-profit manages the facilities. However the NARA ** STILL ** retains ownership and responsibility for the documents and will coordinate with the non-profit for public access and displays. Basically the organization manages the building, the NARA manages the Presidential Records.



Presidential Records during his term of office are not "his", they are government property. During his term of office he is administering them as part of his official duties. Once he leaves office, by law, Presidential Records must be turned over to the NARA.



The documents at the center of FPOTUS'#45's legal troubles in the MAL case ** ARE ** classified documents that were removed from the White House (secure location) and sent to his social club (unsecure location).

So, no. He does not have a right to unclassified Presidential Records as they are not is. And as a separate issue, he also does not have a right to classified documents at his social club, once he left office and the government was no longer maintaining security at the facility. (There was a temporary SCIF installed at MAL during his term, but that was removed when he left office.)

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Presidential records from previous presidencies exist in Presidential libraries across this country, so who owns these libraries ?? Does our government own and operate these libraries for our past President's ?

 

[beagle9]

False, once he leaves office he is no longer President. There is only one President in the Oval Office at any one time. Referring to him as "Mr. President" is ceremonial only.



That isn't a "right", that is authorized by Congress. Congress can remove it. (Not that I think they will.)


This is false, Presidential Records are the property of the United State government and by law must be turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration. ** THEY ** decide on the storage location.

If the President establishes a non-profit "Presidential Library", the non-profit manages the facilities. However the NARA ** STILL ** retains ownership and responsibility for the documents and will coordinate with the non-profit for public access and displays. Basically the organization manages the building, the NARA manages the Presidential Records.



Presidential Records during his term of office are not "his", they are government property. During his term of office he is administering them as part of his official duties. Once he leaves office, by law, Presidential Records must be turned over to the NARA.



The documents at the center of FPOTUS'#45's legal troubles in the MAL case ** ARE ** classified documents that were removed from the White House (secure location) and sent to his social club (unsecure location).

So, no. He does not have a right to unclassified Presidential Records as they are not is. And as a separate issue, he also does not have a right to classified documents at his social club, once he left office and the government was no longer maintaining security at the facility. (There was a temporary SCIF installed at MAL during his term, but that was removed when he left office.)
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Now go ahead and flag this with "disagree" or "fake news" because the truth is something to be ignored.

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A temporary scif was installed at MAL for what ????

 

[Marener]

Does our government own and operate these libraries for our past President's ?

Yes. Read a book.

About Presidential Libraries

The Presidential Library system is composed of fifteen Presidential Libraries. These facilities are overseen by the Office of Presidential Libraries, in the National Archives and Records Administration. The Hoover through the George W. Bush Libraries also have museums with permanent and...

www.archives.gov

 

[beagle9]

Yes. Read a book.

About Presidential Libraries

The Presidential Library system is composed of fifteen Presidential Libraries. These facilities are overseen by the Office of Presidential Libraries, in the National Archives and Records Administration. The Hoover through the George W. Bush Libraries also have museums with permanent and...

www.archives.gov

Composed of 15 libraries ? When were these books written ?

Most presidents today end up with a library, so our government runs and operates these libraries all over the country for these past President's ?

So here we have yet another extended privilege that we the tax payer's are on the hook for, otherwise with these perks and privileges that extend way past these President's tenures as President ???.. IOW's perks and privileges to enjoy way after they had become president of these United States of America.

Everyday it just shows more and more why the harassment of Donald J.Trump the 45th president of this nation, for whom is being unjustly targeted by a group that had somehow worked it's way into power or is being supported by powerful means is unjustified and evil... They are trying to destroy and harass Trump because they see him as a believer in those who believe in God, and believe in the commandments, and believe in his warnings against SIN. Anyone who can't see it is either blind to spiritual warfare or they are just minion's destined for hell after they serve their evil master here.

 

[Marener]

Composed of 15 libraries ? When were these books written ?

Most presidents today end up with a library, so our government runs and operates these libraries all over the country for these past President's ?

So here we have yet another extended privilege that we the tax payer's are on the hook for, otherwise with these perks and privileges that extend way past these President's tenures as President ???.. IOW's perks and privileges to enjoy way after they had become president of these United States of America.

Everyday it just shows more and more why the harassment of Donald J.Trump the 45th president of this nation, for whom is being unjustly targeted by a group that had somehow worked it's way into power or is being supported by powerful means is unjustified and evil... They are trying to destroy and harass Trump because they see him as a believer in those who believe in God, and believe in the commandments, and believe in his warnings against SIN. Anyone who can't see it is either blind to spiritual warfare or they are just minion's destined for hell after they serve their evil master here.

Until you get some basic facts straight, your opinion on the matter is totally useless.

Frequently Asked Questions

What is a Presidential Library and Museum? Presidential Libraries and Museums promote understanding of the presidency and the American experience. We preserve and provide access to historical materials, support research, and create interactive programs and exhibits that educate and inspire...

www.archives.gov

 

[beagle9]

Until you get some basic facts straight, your opinion on the matter is totally useless.

Frequently Asked Questions

What is a Presidential Library and Museum? Presidential Libraries and Museums promote understanding of the presidency and the American experience. We preserve and provide access to historical materials, support research, and create interactive programs and exhibits that educate and inspire...

www.archives.gov

So the government was made complicit after the facts of the alleged corruption that surrounded for example "the Clinton's", and their activities once they had left their offices, otherwise in which involves every perk the government was charged to give them regardless of it being funded by taxpayer's after they both had left ? Another thing the dumb ace government does, otherwise after office holder's are found to be corrupt, is that it will still continue to pay those x-employees their benefits after the charge of corruption has been levied against them.

So the government sucks in it's vetting process or it's solutional processes, otherwise ignoring the American taxpayer's, and then funding and operating facilities of x-presidents even after they left office in deep controversy or paying x- employees afterwards as well ???

The government needs to get it's house in order before it hypocritically throws the stones at other's for things it is also guilty of as well.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Presidential records from previous presidencies exist in Presidential libraries across this country, so who owns these libraries ?? Does our government own and operate these libraries for our past President's ?

Frequently Asked Questions

What is a Presidential Library and Museum? Presidential Libraries and Museums promote understanding of the presidency and the American experience. We preserve and provide access to historical materials, support research, and create interactive programs and exhibits that educate and inspire...

www.archives.gov

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[WorldWatcher]

A temporary scif was installed at MAL for what ????

The President, however it was removed/decertified once Trump was no longer President.

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[WorldWatcher]

Composed of 15 libraries ? When were these books written ?

Not that type of library, Presidential libraries are more like museums and public access to displays pertaining to the life and Presidential years of the subject President.

Most presidents today end up with a library, so our government runs and operates these libraries all over the country for these past President's ?

As previously noted, the development and construction of the library is done through a non-profit entity. Once completed, the contents are managed through the NARA.

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[WorldWatcher]

One of the above is Presidential library, the other is how some think Presidential Records are stored.

Which one is real?
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In neither case would this be considered a Presidential Library.


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[beagle9]

Frequently Asked Questions

What is a Presidential Library and Museum? Presidential Libraries and Museums promote understanding of the presidency and the American experience. We preserve and provide access to historical materials, support research, and create interactive programs and exhibits that educate and inspire...

www.archives.gov

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Non-profit organizations eh ? Oh you mean the one's that might support their president regardless of his tenure during a failed presidency ? Yeah no corruption or promoting of it can exist in that bubble at all eh ?? If were done right, the Clinton's wouldn't have a presidential library at all today.

 

[beagle9]

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One of the above is Presidential library, the other is how some think Presidential Records are stored.

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In neither case would this be considered a Presidential Library.


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Ok, now show the photos of all the other unauthorized locations records have been held by those who didn't even have as much authority as Trump had to possess the records. Then tell us why Trump became the target of unfair scrutiny in such a case ? I know, I know but, but, but, but orange man bad, orange man bad. And don't give me this bull crap about Trump should have cooperated with the NARA, because everyone knows including him that this was a plan h or plan Z in the bid to find something against Trump, and all in order to somehow stop him from becoming president AGAIN.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Non-profit organizations eh ? Oh you mean the one's that might support their president regardless of his tenure during a failed presidency ?

Yes...

..... ..... Even Trump can have a Presidential Library.

..... ..... ..... ..... My understanding is that Rudy is heading up the committee and it is in the works for a spot between Four Season Landscaping Co. and the Porn Shop.

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[WorldWatcher]

Ok, now show the photos of all the other unauthorized locations records have been held by those who didn't even have as much authority as Trump had to possess the records.

Once he left office he was required by law to surrender Presidential Records, he didn't have authority to keep them.

In addition he had not authority to ship classified documents to MAL to retain them, violate a federal subpoena, and obstruct justice in their return.

Then tell us why Trump became the target of unfair scrutiny in such a case ?

He wasn't unfairly targeted, he stonewalled the NARA for 16 months for the return of documents, then the NARA had to get the FBI involved and he stonewalled them also. So the FBI got a subpoena for the return of classified documents, and FPOTUS#45 failed to comply with the court order, even hiding some classified documents from his own attorney's. Finally the FBI obtain a search warrant to force their return.

That isn't "unfair scrutiny".

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[WorldWatcher]

beagle9 - Thanks for the "funny", just trying to inject a little levity.



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