Why we have gun crime, the New York addition...

[BULLDOG]

“If you can’t handle the caseload, you need to do another job,” she told the New York Post. “If you can’t make the correct call, step aside.”

I like that. It throws the excuse that cops having a stressful job justifies cops disregarding laws and the lives of so many innocent people. right out the window. Good for her.

I'm not sure how this one case explains why we kill so many people here every day, but Great Britain only kills a few. Are all the gun deaths here by people who have been released after being charged with a gun crime? We should do what they are doing.

so many people ?

about .003% of the population fall victim to murder by a person who uses a gun

We know where most murders occur and that happens to be in inner city neighborhoods that have historically been plagued by de-facto segregation, generational poverty, high unemployment and underemployment, poor schools, drugs, crime and the breakdown of the family unit

These very small, well known areas account for 70% of all murders in the country.

Are you trying to say murder isn't really a problem?

I'm saying it's not as big of a problem as you think it is

you have a 99.997% chance of not getting murdered by a person with a gun

And we already know where most murders take place but we do nothing about it because and let's face it those most murders in the areas I have mentioned are poor young urban minorities killing other poor yoiung inner city minorities and we as a country don't really care about that population

Sorry, but lots of dead people's family members would disagree with you.------ idiot.

 

[CWayne]

Then exchange our criminals for theirs...but you better do it fast, their violent crime is escalating and the flow of illegal guns into their country is increasing....

You know that's a really goofy remark, do't you? They kill a few. We kill a lot. We should be doing what they are doing.

This is the truth about Britain.....

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
• -----

Something important to know is that the U.K. ONS distorts their numbers for political reasons. While the rest of the world measures murder rates as people who are killed, the ONS does two things to cheat:

1. They exclude Scotland and North Ireland from their counting: I guess when they are murdered, it isn’t as important to ONS as if Britons die. While that is only about 10% of the total population of the UK, it is significantly more of their crimes and murders.
2. They only count murders where someone is charged with a crime. (Only between 1/2 and 3/4ths of all murders are counted).
3. ----
4. n the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latino’s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latino’s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset — the U.S.’s white murder rate to the UK’s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
   
   Racist:Now around this time, people that can’t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either I’m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, it’s just facts.
   
   The problem isn’t racial in America, but it is cultural.
   
   
   Black immigrants don’t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.
   
   
   And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. It’s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.
   
   So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.
   
   
   And white’s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) — so we know that gun control doesn’t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.
   
   And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.

Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem.

• Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
• The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since I’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether you’re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?

Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

They kill a few, we kill a lot. Few is better. Your cut and paste skills are still impressive.

The US murder rate is what it was in the 1950s.

So all the laws passed since then have done nothing to lower the murder rate

I can do that too. In 1950, there were 23,000, people in federal prison, and 186,000 in state prison. Today there are over 200,000 in federal prison, and about 1.4 million in state prison. All the laws concerning our criminal justice system have done nothing to lower our crime rate. Your turn.

US Population in 1950 -- 150.3 million.

US Population today -- ~329.4 million

 

[BULLDOG]

You know that's a really goofy remark, do't you? They kill a few. We kill a lot. We should be doing what they are doing.

This is the truth about Britain.....

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
• -----

Something important to know is that the U.K. ONS distorts their numbers for political reasons. While the rest of the world measures murder rates as people who are killed, the ONS does two things to cheat:

1. They exclude Scotland and North Ireland from their counting: I guess when they are murdered, it isn’t as important to ONS as if Britons die. While that is only about 10% of the total population of the UK, it is significantly more of their crimes and murders.
2. They only count murders where someone is charged with a crime. (Only between 1/2 and 3/4ths of all murders are counted).
3. ----
4. n the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latino’s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latino’s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset — the U.S.’s white murder rate to the UK’s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
   
   Racist:Now around this time, people that can’t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either I’m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, it’s just facts.
   
   The problem isn’t racial in America, but it is cultural.
   
   
   Black immigrants don’t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.
   
   
   And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. It’s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.
   
   So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.
   
   
   And white’s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) — so we know that gun control doesn’t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.
   
   And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.

Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem.

• Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
• The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since I’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether you’re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?

Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

They kill a few, we kill a lot. Few is better. Your cut and paste skills are still impressive.

The US murder rate is what it was in the 1950s.

So all the laws passed since then have done nothing to lower the murder rate

I can do that too. In 1950, there were 23,000, people in federal prison, and 186,000 in state prison. Today there are over 200,000 in federal prison, and about 1.4 million in state prison. All the laws concerning our criminal justice system have done nothing to lower our crime rate. Your turn.

US Population in 1950 -- 150.3 million.

US Population today -- ~329.4 million

150.3 million population then to 329.4million population now = 219%increase
23,000 federal prisoners then to 200,000 federal prisoners now= 869% increase

Try again.

 

[Blues Man]

“If you can’t handle the caseload, you need to do another job,” she told the New York Post. “If you can’t make the correct call, step aside.”

I like that. It throws the excuse that cops having a stressful job justifies cops disregarding laws and the lives of so many innocent people. right out the window. Good for her.

I'm not sure how this one case explains why we kill so many people here every day, but Great Britain only kills a few. Are all the gun deaths here by people who have been released after being charged with a gun crime? We should do what they are doing.

so many people ?

about .003% of the population fall victim to murder by a person who uses a gun

We know where most murders occur and that happens to be in inner city neighborhoods that have historically been plagued by de-facto segregation, generational poverty, high unemployment and underemployment, poor schools, drugs, crime and the breakdown of the family unit

These very small, well known areas account for 70% of all murders in the country.

Are you trying to say murder isn't really a problem?

I'm saying it's not as big of a problem as you think it is

you have a 99.997% chance of not getting murdered by a person with a gun

And we already know where most murders take place but we do nothing about it because and let's face it those most murders in the areas I have mentioned are poor young urban minorities killing other poor yoiung inner city minorities and we as a country don't really care about that population

Sorry, but lots of dead people's family members would disagree with you.------ idiot.

Far more people die annually by causes other than murder

All you have is an appeal to emotions

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[BULLDOG]

“If you can’t handle the caseload, you need to do another job,” she told the New York Post. “If you can’t make the correct call, step aside.”

I like that. It throws the excuse that cops having a stressful job justifies cops disregarding laws and the lives of so many innocent people. right out the window. Good for her.

I'm not sure how this one case explains why we kill so many people here every day, but Great Britain only kills a few. Are all the gun deaths here by people who have been released after being charged with a gun crime? We should do what they are doing.

so many people ?

about .003% of the population fall victim to murder by a person who uses a gun

We know where most murders occur and that happens to be in inner city neighborhoods that have historically been plagued by de-facto segregation, generational poverty, high unemployment and underemployment, poor schools, drugs, crime and the breakdown of the family unit

These very small, well known areas account for 70% of all murders in the country.

Are you trying to say murder isn't really a problem?

I'm saying it's not as big of a problem as you think it is

you have a 99.997% chance of not getting murdered by a person with a gun

And we already know where most murders take place but we do nothing about it because and let's face it those most murders in the areas I have mentioned are poor young urban minorities killing other poor yoiung inner city minorities and we as a country don't really care about that population

Sorry, but lots of dead people's family members would disagree with you.------ idiot.

Far more people die annually by causes other than murder

All you have is an appeal to emotions

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

And dead people too many dead people.

 

[Blues Man]

This is the truth about Britain.....

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
• -----

Something important to know is that the U.K. ONS distorts their numbers for political reasons. While the rest of the world measures murder rates as people who are killed, the ONS does two things to cheat:

1. They exclude Scotland and North Ireland from their counting: I guess when they are murdered, it isn’t as important to ONS as if Britons die. While that is only about 10% of the total population of the UK, it is significantly more of their crimes and murders.
2. They only count murders where someone is charged with a crime. (Only between 1/2 and 3/4ths of all murders are counted).
3. ----
4. n the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latino’s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latino’s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset — the U.S.’s white murder rate to the UK’s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
   
   Racist:Now around this time, people that can’t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either I’m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, it’s just facts.
   
   The problem isn’t racial in America, but it is cultural.
   
   
   Black immigrants don’t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.
   
   
   And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. It’s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.
   
   So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.
   
   
   And white’s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) — so we know that gun control doesn’t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.
   
   And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.

Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem.

• Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
• The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since I’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether you’re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?

Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

They kill a few, we kill a lot. Few is better. Your cut and paste skills are still impressive.

The US murder rate is what it was in the 1950s.

So all the laws passed since then have done nothing to lower the murder rate

I can do that too. In 1950, there were 23,000, people in federal prison, and 186,000 in state prison. Today there are over 200,000 in federal prison, and about 1.4 million in state prison. All the laws concerning our criminal justice system have done nothing to lower our crime rate. Your turn.

US Population in 1950 -- 150.3 million.

US Population today -- ~329.4 million

150.3 million population then to 329.4million population now = 219%increase
23,000 federal prisoners then to 200,000 federal prisoners now= 869% increase

Try again.

The failed war on drugs is responsible for most of that increase

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[August West]

very pro-gun St Louis population 350,000--murders 186
NewY City population 8.5 million murders 289
you are not even in the ball park
Despite recent violence, Chicago is far from the U.S. ‘murder capital’
New York City’s Murder Rate Hit New Low in 2018

St. Louis...again? St. Louis suffers gun crime because of the democrats in charge...and gun crime in New York is going up, you doofus...because they have ended the policies Guiliani put in place that lowered their gun crime rate...you doofus...

Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia

Soros-Funded St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner Refuses to Charge Killer of 7-Year-Old Child Despite Suspect's Confession

Last week a suspect was arrested in the fatal shooting of 7-year-old Xavier Usanga in north St. Louis last Monday evening.

According to KSDK Usanga was shot and killed while playing outside of his Hyde Park home Monday, according to St. Louis Metro Police Cheif John Hayden. An 18-year-old man standing nearby was injured in the backyard of the Usangas’ home, in the 3500 block of North 14th Street, just after 5 p.m. Monday evening.

The suspect confessed to the shooting that killed 7-year-old Usanga.


But when they brought this confession and evidence to the St. Louis City’s circuit attorney’s office Kim Gardner threw it out.

Gardner said based on current evidence she was not able to determine who was responsible for the child’s death.

Again… The suspect confessed to the crime but that was not enough for this radical lunatic in the Circuit Attorney’s Office.
Democrats in charge since 1949

Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia


Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

New York......gun crime going up under the democrat...

What’s Behind the Murder Spike in Brooklyn?

“They’re gang-related shootings, and it’s the same related individuals who are showing up,” said Chief Terence A. Monahan, the department’s highest-ranking uniformed officer. He added that some of the people detained in connection with recent shootings were facing gun charges in other boroughs and had been released on bail.

There have been 21 killings so far in the Brooklyn North precincts, compared to 12 at this time last year. Many of those killings have been clustered in neighborhoods like East New York and Brownsville. Others have occurred on the edges of rapidly gentrifying areas like Bushwick and Bedford-Stuyvesant, where there were four murders within a five-block radius earlier this year.

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Denise Davis, 52, said a shooting in January inside the Lafayette Gardens public housing complex stood out in her mind because the neighborhood had become safer in recent years.

“There used to be a lot of shooting over here — especially right here,” Ms. Davis said as she stood near the intersection of Franklin and Lafayette Avenues. “It has quieted down a little bit, but you’ve still got robberies going on.”

There were some signs of insecurity and unease. “Drugs, guns and noise,” was the neighborhood portrait offered by one man as he walked along Franklin Avenue. He declined to give his name.

“Things have gotten shadier lately,” said Hannah Weikert, a senior at Pratt Institute who shares an apartment in Clinton Hill.

New Y City and New York is also Democrat--so is Chicago....hahahhahaha
you double fked up

New York had Rudy Guilliani you moron.....and up to de blasio they followed his policies...now de blasio has thrown that away and the city is sinking into the hell hole it was under the previous democrats.....you moron...

Why is gun boy singing the praises of gun grabbing Rudy Giuliani?
National Association for Gun Rights

 

[Blues Man]

so many people ?

about .003% of the population fall victim to murder by a person who uses a gun

We know where most murders occur and that happens to be in inner city neighborhoods that have historically been plagued by de-facto segregation, generational poverty, high unemployment and underemployment, poor schools, drugs, crime and the breakdown of the family unit

These very small, well known areas account for 70% of all murders in the country.

Are you trying to say murder isn't really a problem?

I'm saying it's not as big of a problem as you think it is

you have a 99.997% chance of not getting murdered by a person with a gun

And we already know where most murders take place but we do nothing about it because and let's face it those most murders in the areas I have mentioned are poor young urban minorities killing other poor yoiung inner city minorities and we as a country don't really care about that population

Sorry, but lots of dead people's family members would disagree with you.------ idiot.

Far more people die annually by causes other than murder

All you have is an appeal to emotions

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And dead people too many dead people.

Like I said more people die annually from causes other than murder

And death is a part of life you should know that by now

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[BULLDOG]

They kill a few, we kill a lot. Few is better. Your cut and paste skills are still impressive.

The US murder rate is what it was in the 1950s.

So all the laws passed since then have done nothing to lower the murder rate

I can do that too. In 1950, there were 23,000, people in federal prison, and 186,000 in state prison. Today there are over 200,000 in federal prison, and about 1.4 million in state prison. All the laws concerning our criminal justice system have done nothing to lower our crime rate. Your turn.

US Population in 1950 -- 150.3 million.

US Population today -- ~329.4 million

150.3 million population then to 329.4million population now = 219%increase
23,000 federal prisoners then to 200,000 federal prisoners now= 869% increase

Try again.

The failed war on drugs is responsible for most of that increase

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Are you saying there might be multiple reasons why things are as they are? Say it ain't so cause that would throw all your talking points out the window.

 

[Blues Man]

The US murder rate is what it was in the 1950s.

So all the laws passed since then have done nothing to lower the murder rate

I can do that too. In 1950, there were 23,000, people in federal prison, and 186,000 in state prison. Today there are over 200,000 in federal prison, and about 1.4 million in state prison. All the laws concerning our criminal justice system have done nothing to lower our crime rate. Your turn.

US Population in 1950 -- 150.3 million.

US Population today -- ~329.4 million

150.3 million population then to 329.4million population now = 219%increase
23,000 federal prisoners then to 200,000 federal prisoners now= 869% increase

Try again.

The failed war on drugs is responsible for most of that increase

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

Are you saying there might be multiple reasons why things are as they are? Say it ain't so cause that would throw all your talking points out the window.

My talking points?

I have always said that the issue of violence in this country is much more complex than those who say gun laws and guns are the only 2 things that drive violence and crime.

In fact in this very thread I mentioned some of the reasons why most violent crimes and murder occur in very well known very defined areas.

 

[2aguy]

Then exchange our criminals for theirs...but you better do it fast, their violent crime is escalating and the flow of illegal guns into their country is increasing....

You know that's a really goofy remark, do't you? They kill a few. We kill a lot. We should be doing what they are doing.

This is the truth about Britain.....

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
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Something important to know is that the U.K. ONS distorts their numbers for political reasons. While the rest of the world measures murder rates as people who are killed, the ONS does two things to cheat:

1. They exclude Scotland and North Ireland from their counting: I guess when they are murdered, it isn’t as important to ONS as if Britons die. While that is only about 10% of the total population of the UK, it is significantly more of their crimes and murders.
2. They only count murders where someone is charged with a crime. (Only between 1/2 and 3/4ths of all murders are counted).
3. ----
4. n the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latino’s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latino’s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset — the U.S.’s white murder rate to the UK’s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
   
   Racist:Now around this time, people that can’t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either I’m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, it’s just facts.
   
   The problem isn’t racial in America, but it is cultural.
   
   
   Black immigrants don’t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.
   
   
   And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. It’s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.
   
   So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.
   
   
   And white’s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) — so we know that gun control doesn’t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.
   
   And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.

Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem.

• Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
• The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since I’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether you’re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?

Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

They kill a few, we kill a lot. Few is better. Your cut and paste skills are still impressive.

The US murder rate is what it was in the 1950s.

So all the laws passed since then have done nothing to lower the murder rate

I can do that too. In 1950, there were 23,000, people in federal prison, and 186,000 in state prison. Today there are over 200,000 in federal prison, and about 1.4 million in state prison. All the laws concerning our criminal justice system have done nothing to lower our crime rate. Your turn.

Moron.......

Over the last 26 years gun murder went down 49%, gun crime down 75%, and overall violent crime went down 72%....

You have no clue what you are talking about...you dumb ass....

 

[2aguy]

I can do that too. In 1950, there were 23,000, people in federal prison, and 186,000 in state prison. Today there are over 200,000 in federal prison, and about 1.4 million in state prison. All the laws concerning our criminal justice system have done nothing to lower our crime rate. Your turn.

US Population in 1950 -- 150.3 million.

US Population today -- ~329.4 million

150.3 million population then to 329.4million population now = 219%increase
23,000 federal prisoners then to 200,000 federal prisoners now= 869% increase

Try again.

The failed war on drugs is responsible for most of that increase

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Are you saying there might be multiple reasons why things are as they are? Say it ain't so cause that would throw all your talking points out the window.

My talking points?

I have always said that the issue of violence in this country is much more complex than those who say gun laws and guns are the only 2 things that drive violence and crime.

In fact in this very thread I mentioned some of the reasons why most violent crimes and murder occur in very well known very defined areas.

Exactly.....fatherless homes are the starting point.....then add democrat policies on top of that...

 

[2aguy]

very pro-gun St Louis population 350,000--murders 186
NewY City population 8.5 million murders 289
you are not even in the ball park
Despite recent violence, Chicago is far from the U.S. ‘murder capital’
New York City’s Murder Rate Hit New Low in 2018

St. Louis...again? St. Louis suffers gun crime because of the democrats in charge...and gun crime in New York is going up, you doofus...because they have ended the policies Guiliani put in place that lowered their gun crime rate...you doofus...

Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia

Soros-Funded St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner Refuses to Charge Killer of 7-Year-Old Child Despite Suspect's Confession

Last week a suspect was arrested in the fatal shooting of 7-year-old Xavier Usanga in north St. Louis last Monday evening.

According to KSDK Usanga was shot and killed while playing outside of his Hyde Park home Monday, according to St. Louis Metro Police Cheif John Hayden. An 18-year-old man standing nearby was injured in the backyard of the Usangas’ home, in the 3500 block of North 14th Street, just after 5 p.m. Monday evening.

The suspect confessed to the shooting that killed 7-year-old Usanga.


But when they brought this confession and evidence to the St. Louis City’s circuit attorney’s office Kim Gardner threw it out.

Gardner said based on current evidence she was not able to determine who was responsible for the child’s death.

Again… The suspect confessed to the crime but that was not enough for this radical lunatic in the Circuit Attorney’s Office.
Democrats in charge since 1949

Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia


Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

New York......gun crime going up under the democrat...

What’s Behind the Murder Spike in Brooklyn?

“They’re gang-related shootings, and it’s the same related individuals who are showing up,” said Chief Terence A. Monahan, the department’s highest-ranking uniformed officer. He added that some of the people detained in connection with recent shootings were facing gun charges in other boroughs and had been released on bail.

There have been 21 killings so far in the Brooklyn North precincts, compared to 12 at this time last year. Many of those killings have been clustered in neighborhoods like East New York and Brownsville. Others have occurred on the edges of rapidly gentrifying areas like Bushwick and Bedford-Stuyvesant, where there were four murders within a five-block radius earlier this year.

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Denise Davis, 52, said a shooting in January inside the Lafayette Gardens public housing complex stood out in her mind because the neighborhood had become safer in recent years.

“There used to be a lot of shooting over here — especially right here,” Ms. Davis said as she stood near the intersection of Franklin and Lafayette Avenues. “It has quieted down a little bit, but you’ve still got robberies going on.”

There were some signs of insecurity and unease. “Drugs, guns and noise,” was the neighborhood portrait offered by one man as he walked along Franklin Avenue. He declined to give his name.

“Things have gotten shadier lately,” said Hannah Weikert, a senior at Pratt Institute who shares an apartment in Clinton Hill.

New Y City and New York is also Democrat--so is Chicago....hahahhahaha
you double fked up

New York had Rudy Guilliani you moron.....and up to de blasio they followed his policies...now de blasio has thrown that away and the city is sinking into the hell hole it was under the previous democrats.....you moron...

Why is gun boy singing the praises of gun grabbing Rudy Giuliani?
National Association for Gun Rights

Guilliani is wrong on guns, but he is right on how to take care of actual criminals, you moron.....he cleaned up New York City...de blasio is returning it to the hell hole it used to be....

 

[BULLDOG]

You know that's a really goofy remark, do't you? They kill a few. We kill a lot. We should be doing what they are doing.

This is the truth about Britain.....

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
• -----

Something important to know is that the U.K. ONS distorts their numbers for political reasons. While the rest of the world measures murder rates as people who are killed, the ONS does two things to cheat:

1. They exclude Scotland and North Ireland from their counting: I guess when they are murdered, it isn’t as important to ONS as if Britons die. While that is only about 10% of the total population of the UK, it is significantly more of their crimes and murders.
2. They only count murders where someone is charged with a crime. (Only between 1/2 and 3/4ths of all murders are counted).
3. ----
4. n the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latino’s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latino’s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset — the U.S.’s white murder rate to the UK’s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
   
   Racist:Now around this time, people that can’t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either I’m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, it’s just facts.
   
   The problem isn’t racial in America, but it is cultural.
   
   
   Black immigrants don’t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.
   
   
   And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. It’s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.
   
   So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.
   
   
   And white’s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) — so we know that gun control doesn’t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.
   
   And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.

Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem.

• Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
• The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since I’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether you’re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?

Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

They kill a few, we kill a lot. Few is better. Your cut and paste skills are still impressive.

The US murder rate is what it was in the 1950s.

So all the laws passed since then have done nothing to lower the murder rate

I can do that too. In 1950, there were 23,000, people in federal prison, and 186,000 in state prison. Today there are over 200,000 in federal prison, and about 1.4 million in state prison. All the laws concerning our criminal justice system have done nothing to lower our crime rate. Your turn.

Moron.......

Over the last 26 years gun murder went down 49%, gun crime down 75%, and overall violent crime went down 72%....

You have no clue what you are talking about...you dumb ass....

I know we kill a lot. They don't. We should be doing what they are doing.

 

[BULLDOG]

US Population in 1950 -- 150.3 million.

US Population today -- ~329.4 million

150.3 million population then to 329.4million population now = 219%increase
23,000 federal prisoners then to 200,000 federal prisoners now= 869% increase

Try again.

The failed war on drugs is responsible for most of that increase

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

Are you saying there might be multiple reasons why things are as they are? Say it ain't so cause that would throw all your talking points out the window.

My talking points?

I have always said that the issue of violence in this country is much more complex than those who say gun laws and guns are the only 2 things that drive violence and crime.

In fact in this very thread I mentioned some of the reasons why most violent crimes and murder occur in very well known very defined areas.

Exactly.....fatherless homes are the starting point.....then add democrat policies on top of that...

That's your old excuse that got shot down before. You think there haven't been fatherless homes in GB? Comeon dumb ass. Think about that.

 

[Blues Man]

150.3 million population then to 329.4million population now = 219%increase
23,000 federal prisoners then to 200,000 federal prisoners now= 869% increase

Try again.

The failed war on drugs is responsible for most of that increase

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

Are you saying there might be multiple reasons why things are as they are? Say it ain't so cause that would throw all your talking points out the window.

My talking points?

I have always said that the issue of violence in this country is much more complex than those who say gun laws and guns are the only 2 things that drive violence and crime.

In fact in this very thread I mentioned some of the reasons why most violent crimes and murder occur in very well known very defined areas.

Exactly.....fatherless homes are the starting point.....then add democrat policies on top of that...

That's your old excuse that got shot down before. You think there haven't been fatherless homes in GB? Comeon dumb ass. Think about that.

The breakdown of the family can be caused by more than an absent father

And is one of a cluster of societal ills that are present in our most violent areas

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

 

[BULLDOG]

The failed war on drugs is responsible for most of that increase

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

Are you saying there might be multiple reasons why things are as they are? Say it ain't so cause that would throw all your talking points out the window.

My talking points?

I have always said that the issue of violence in this country is much more complex than those who say gun laws and guns are the only 2 things that drive violence and crime.

In fact in this very thread I mentioned some of the reasons why most violent crimes and murder occur in very well known very defined areas.

Exactly.....fatherless homes are the starting point.....then add democrat policies on top of that...

That's your old excuse that got shot down before. You think there haven't been fatherless homes in GB? Comeon dumb ass. Think about that.

The breakdown of the family can be caused by more than an absent father

And is one of a cluster of societal ills that are present in our most violent areas

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

But the absence of a father is one of the gun nut's main excuses for so many gun deaths. Are you saying that is just bullshit?

 

[harmonica]

very pro-gun St Louis population 350,000--murders 186
NewY City population 8.5 million murders 289
you are not even in the ball park
Despite recent violence, Chicago is far from the U.S. ‘murder capital’
New York City’s Murder Rate Hit New Low in 2018

St. Louis...again? St. Louis suffers gun crime because of the democrats in charge...and gun crime in New York is going up, you doofus...because they have ended the policies Guiliani put in place that lowered their gun crime rate...you doofus...

Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia

Soros-Funded St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner Refuses to Charge Killer of 7-Year-Old Child Despite Suspect's Confession

Last week a suspect was arrested in the fatal shooting of 7-year-old Xavier Usanga in north St. Louis last Monday evening.

According to KSDK Usanga was shot and killed while playing outside of his Hyde Park home Monday, according to St. Louis Metro Police Cheif John Hayden. An 18-year-old man standing nearby was injured in the backyard of the Usangas’ home, in the 3500 block of North 14th Street, just after 5 p.m. Monday evening.

The suspect confessed to the shooting that killed 7-year-old Usanga.


But when they brought this confession and evidence to the St. Louis City’s circuit attorney’s office Kim Gardner threw it out.

Gardner said based on current evidence she was not able to determine who was responsible for the child’s death.

Again… The suspect confessed to the crime but that was not enough for this radical lunatic in the Circuit Attorney’s Office.
Democrats in charge since 1949

Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia


Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

-----------

Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
----
When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

New York......gun crime going up under the democrat...

What’s Behind the Murder Spike in Brooklyn?

“They’re gang-related shootings, and it’s the same related individuals who are showing up,” said Chief Terence A. Monahan, the department’s highest-ranking uniformed officer. He added that some of the people detained in connection with recent shootings were facing gun charges in other boroughs and had been released on bail.

There have been 21 killings so far in the Brooklyn North precincts, compared to 12 at this time last year. Many of those killings have been clustered in neighborhoods like East New York and Brownsville. Others have occurred on the edges of rapidly gentrifying areas like Bushwick and Bedford-Stuyvesant, where there were four murders within a five-block radius earlier this year.

---



Denise Davis, 52, said a shooting in January inside the Lafayette Gardens public housing complex stood out in her mind because the neighborhood had become safer in recent years.

“There used to be a lot of shooting over here — especially right here,” Ms. Davis said as she stood near the intersection of Franklin and Lafayette Avenues. “It has quieted down a little bit, but you’ve still got robberies going on.”

There were some signs of insecurity and unease. “Drugs, guns and noise,” was the neighborhood portrait offered by one man as he walked along Franklin Avenue. He declined to give his name.

“Things have gotten shadier lately,” said Hannah Weikert, a senior at Pratt Institute who shares an apartment in Clinton Hill.

New Y City and New York is also Democrat--so is Chicago....hahahhahaha
you double fked up

New York had Rudy Guilliani you moron.....and up to de blasio they followed his policies...now de blasio has thrown that away and the city is sinking into the hell hole it was under the previous democrats.....you moron...

Why is gun boy singing the praises of gun grabbing Rudy Giuliani?
National Association for Gun Rights

Guilliani is wrong on guns, but he is right on how to take care of actual criminals, you moron.....he cleaned up New York City...de blasio is returning it to the hell hole it used to be....

let me do the math for you
........if NYC and STL murder rates were the same, NYC would have about 4400 murders--but they have less than 300 !!!!!!!!!!! over TEN times less

 

[2aguy]

St. Louis...again? St. Louis suffers gun crime because of the democrats in charge...and gun crime in New York is going up, you doofus...because they have ended the policies Guiliani put in place that lowered their gun crime rate...you doofus...

Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia

Soros-Funded St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner Refuses to Charge Killer of 7-Year-Old Child Despite Suspect's Confession

Last week a suspect was arrested in the fatal shooting of 7-year-old Xavier Usanga in north St. Louis last Monday evening.

According to KSDK Usanga was shot and killed while playing outside of his Hyde Park home Monday, according to St. Louis Metro Police Cheif John Hayden. An 18-year-old man standing nearby was injured in the backyard of the Usangas’ home, in the 3500 block of North 14th Street, just after 5 p.m. Monday evening.

The suspect confessed to the shooting that killed 7-year-old Usanga.


But when they brought this confession and evidence to the St. Louis City’s circuit attorney’s office Kim Gardner threw it out.

Gardner said based on current evidence she was not able to determine who was responsible for the child’s death.

Again… The suspect confessed to the crime but that was not enough for this radical lunatic in the Circuit Attorney’s Office.
Democrats in charge since 1949

Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia


Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

-----------

Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
----
When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

New York......gun crime going up under the democrat...

What’s Behind the Murder Spike in Brooklyn?

“They’re gang-related shootings, and it’s the same related individuals who are showing up,” said Chief Terence A. Monahan, the department’s highest-ranking uniformed officer. He added that some of the people detained in connection with recent shootings were facing gun charges in other boroughs and had been released on bail.

There have been 21 killings so far in the Brooklyn North precincts, compared to 12 at this time last year. Many of those killings have been clustered in neighborhoods like East New York and Brownsville. Others have occurred on the edges of rapidly gentrifying areas like Bushwick and Bedford-Stuyvesant, where there were four murders within a five-block radius earlier this year.

---



Denise Davis, 52, said a shooting in January inside the Lafayette Gardens public housing complex stood out in her mind because the neighborhood had become safer in recent years.

“There used to be a lot of shooting over here — especially right here,” Ms. Davis said as she stood near the intersection of Franklin and Lafayette Avenues. “It has quieted down a little bit, but you’ve still got robberies going on.”

There were some signs of insecurity and unease. “Drugs, guns and noise,” was the neighborhood portrait offered by one man as he walked along Franklin Avenue. He declined to give his name.

“Things have gotten shadier lately,” said Hannah Weikert, a senior at Pratt Institute who shares an apartment in Clinton Hill.

New Y City and New York is also Democrat--so is Chicago....hahahhahaha
you double fked up

New York had Rudy Guilliani you moron.....and up to de blasio they followed his policies...now de blasio has thrown that away and the city is sinking into the hell hole it was under the previous democrats.....you moron...

Why is gun boy singing the praises of gun grabbing Rudy Giuliani?
National Association for Gun Rights

Guilliani is wrong on guns, but he is right on how to take care of actual criminals, you moron.....he cleaned up New York City...de blasio is returning it to the hell hole it used to be....

let me do the math for you
........if NYC and STL murder rates were the same, NYC would have about 4400 murders--but they have less than 300 !!!!!!!!!!! over TEN times less

And, moron, it was explained to you over and over again.......Rudy Guilliani put in place police strategies that lowered the crime rate....St. Louis is letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail and prison......

It is democrat party policies, not normal people who own guns for self defense, hunting and sport, who are driving the crime rates....you moron.

That is why Houston, with gun stores on every corner, with easy access to guns has a lower gun murder rate than Chicago.....a city that doesn't have one gun store or gun range.....you moron.

 

[Blues Man]

Are you saying there might be multiple reasons why things are as they are? Say it ain't so cause that would throw all your talking points out the window.

My talking points?

I have always said that the issue of violence in this country is much more complex than those who say gun laws and guns are the only 2 things that drive violence and crime.

In fact in this very thread I mentioned some of the reasons why most violent crimes and murder occur in very well known very defined areas.

Exactly.....fatherless homes are the starting point.....then add democrat policies on top of that...

That's your old excuse that got shot down before. You think there haven't been fatherless homes in GB? Comeon dumb ass. Think about that.

The breakdown of the family can be caused by more than an absent father

And is one of a cluster of societal ills that are present in our most violent areas

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But the absence of a father is one of the gun nut's main excuses for so many gun deaths. Are you saying that is just bullshit?

It is one factor along with the others I mentioned



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