Why we need the 2nd Amendment

[No Sympathy]

the 2nd Amendment is to keep all enemies away, foreign and domestic.

Agree.

I have a few gamer friends I get on discord from time to time & most of them are either from the United Kingdom or Australia/New Zealand and they have asked me multiple times why the United States just doing get rid of their weapons so that gun violence goes away. Of course, they'd criticize me for owning guns and for supporting the 2nd Amendment as just another crazy Republican and tell me how they don't have crime despite owning no weapons, but anytime I asked them what would happen if their government overreached and took control of their lives, how would they fight it? Well, called a conspiracy theorist and told that it would never happen, so what's the point in worrying about it.

Fast forward to now and Australia (after giving up their guns) was left helpless against their government - as we all saw it play out on the news.

I never thought I would ever see myself buying a firearm however, when 2020 hit and my state and local government (I live in Portland, OR) decided to side with criminals, things changed. I ended up having a close friend of mine help me w/ purchasing a firearm and giving me the necessary tools to use it properly and where to properly do my training for a concealed handgun license.

Hope to never use my weapons, but better have it just in case.

Anyways, support the 2nd Amendment and I see anyone trying to get rid of it as someone to be cautious of now going forward.

 

[Vrenn]

That is because they do not know any better. Most people that have not been military in a combat arms branch specialty are clueless about weapons in general, have received little formal training and are actually scared of weapons. Some grew up shooting .22s or hunting with shotguns but still no training on real assault weapons, probably never even seeing one in person on a range.

And those of that have know that the AR can run a tremendous body count in our hands. Those that haven't had the training or the wrong training can still run quite a body count. The ONLY thing an AR or an AK is number 1 at is mass killing both war and civilian uses. Do I need one? Nope. But my new handgun costs about 4 times what I can purchase an AR-15 for around here. Showing up at the range with just an AR gets you laughed at. And my handguns and the shotgun does home defense much, much better.

I might tell you how the AR is #1 in what it does but one of your more sicker members will hear it as a voice in his head as the voice of God and then go do it.

 

[Vrenn]

Agree.

I have a few gamer friends I get on discord from time to time & most of them are either from the United Kingdom or Australia/New Zealand and they have asked me multiple times why the United States just doing get rid of their weapons so that gun violence goes away. Of course, they'd criticize me for owning guns and for supporting the 2nd Amendment as just another crazy Republican and tell me how they don't have crime despite owning no weapons, but anytime I asked them what would happen if their government overreached and took control of their lives, how would they fight it? Well, called a conspiracy theorist and told that it would never happen, so what's the point in worrying about it.

Fast forward to now and Australia (after giving up their guns) was left helpless against their government - as we all saw it play out on the news.

I never thought I would ever see myself buying a firearm however, when 2020 hit and my state and local government (I live in Portland, OR) decided to side with criminals, things changed. I ended up having a close friend of mine help me w/ purchasing a firearm and giving me the necessary tools to use it properly and where to properly do my training for a concealed handgun license.

Hope to never use my weapons, but better have it just in case.

Anyways, support the 2nd Amendment and I see anyone trying to get rid of it as someone to be cautious of now going forward.

First of all, CCW Holders are not the problem. The Open Carry ones are. You did the right thing.

Second, 2A, the way it's written, no longer makes sense when you factor in the National Firearms Act of 1934.

 

[No Sympathy]

First of all, CCW Holders are not the problem. The Open Carry ones are. You did the right thing.

Second, 2A, the way it's written, no longer makes sense when you factor in the National Firearms Act of 1934.

Well, I am glad I made the right choice. I just didn't feel comfortable carrying my firearm out in the open, even if it is legal is certain states.

For someone not very versed in the firearms would yet, is this an act that strengthened or limited the 2nd Amendment?

 

[cnm]

Raw number is misleading…what’s that expenditure as a percentage of gdp?

Much more than most other developed nations.

Military spending by country GDP 2023 | Statista

Ukraine has the highest military spending by GDP. This is unsurprising following Russia's invasion of the country in February 2022.

www.statista.com

 

[cnm]

Fast forward to now and Australia (after giving up their guns) was left helpless against their government - as we all saw it play out on the news.

What a load of normal paranoid 2A ignorant bullshit.

 

[Vrenn]

Well, I am glad I made the right choice. I just didn't feel comfortable carrying my firearm out in the open, even if it is legal is certain states.

For someone not very versed in the firearms would yet, is this an act that strengthened or limited the 2nd Amendment?

No, it really has nothing to do with 2A. It has more to do with States Rights as well as County and City rights. Plus, it shows you should be able to have it whether you do or not.

 

[No Sympathy]

What a load of shit.

So you're saying that all the protests that happened because of government overreach in Australia was fake?

 

[candycorn]

Raw number is misleading…what’s that expenditure as a percentage of gdp?

no....

The $700+B buys just as many weapons regardless of the % of GDP.

 

[Vrenn]

So you're saying that all the protests that happened because of government overreach in Australia was fake?

Watch out. You are getting close to jumping into that rabbit hole.

 

[No Sympathy]

Watch out. You are getting close to jumping into that rabbit hole.

Yeah, probably right and not worth it late into the night as it is for me.

 

[White 6]

And those of that have know that the AR can run a tremendous body count in our hands. Those that haven't had the training or the wrong training can still run quite a body count. The ONLY thing an AR or an AK is number 1 at is mass killing both war and civilian uses. Do I need one? Nope. But my new handgun costs about 4 times what I can purchase an AR-15 for around here. Showing up at the range with just an AR gets you laughed at. And my handguns and the shotgun does home defense much, much better.

I might tell you how the AR is #1 in what it does but one of your more sicker members will hear it as a voice in his head as the voice of God and then go do it.

I have taken mine to a good outdoor range. Nobody laughs at you. Where else are you going to practice on 200, 300 and 400 meter plus targets. You do believe in practice and range work, don't you? You may be going to the wrong range and should look around. Oh, and decent outdoor range complexes have ranges and lane for your pistol also, and a more serious minded class of shooters than you are encountering. If you go during week days, you can set up multiple pistol target, to practice shooting on the move and different shooting position, usually not applicable to indoor ranges.

 

[cnm]

So you're saying that all the protests that happened because of government overreach in Australia was fake?

I'm saying you're a kook lapping up bullshit talking points because you're ignorant of life outside the US.

Note how the protests in Oz have not been put down by an overbearing government overstepping the limits after the citizens supported reducing the level of firearms in society.

 

[Vrenn]

Yeah, probably right and not worth it late into the night as it is for me.

There are two rabbit holes. One for the rtwingnutgunnutters and the other for the ltwingantigunnutters. Then there is everyone else.

 

[Vrenn]

I have taken mine to a good outdoor range. Nobody laughs at you. Where else are you going to practice on 200, 300 and 400 meter plus targets. You do believe in practice and range work, don't you? You may be going to the wrong range and should look around. Oh, and decent outdoor range complexes have ranges and lane for your pistol also, and a more serious minded class of shooters than you are encountering. If you go during week days, you can set up multiple pistol target, to practice shooting on the move and different shooting position, usually not applicable to indoor ranges.

When I break out my bull barrelled 700BDL OUght Six that is a respectable range gun and gets thumbs up and smiles. The best you can get is "Now, that's cute" and giggles.

 

[Batcat]

LOf co

So, if I decide that black people are the enemy, it's perfectly legit for me to go around shooting up black people?

Of course not.

However if the Russians, the Chinese or the United Nations ever invades and takes over our nation you use your weapons to engage in asymmetrical warfare.

If our government ever turns into a tyrannical Marxist socialist worker’s paradise like Venezuela or Cuba, you use you weapons to overthrow it.

Venezuelans regret gun ban, 'a declaration of war against an unarmed population'

As Venezuela continues to crumble under the socialist dictatorship of President Nicolas Maduro, some are expressing words of warning – and resentment –regarding the country’s earlier gun control bill that saw citizens stripped of their weapons-owning rights.

www.foxnews.com

 

[White 6]

When I break out my bull barrelled 700BDL OUght Six that is a respectable range gun and gets thumbs up and smiles. The best you can get is "Now, that's cute" and giggles.

You run with snobs, not shooters, Scooter.

 

[JGalt]

That is because they do not know any better. Most people that have not been military in a combat arms branch specialty are clueless about weapons in general, have received little formal training and are actually scared of weapons. Some grew up shooting .22s or hunting with shotguns but still no training on real assault weapons, probably never even seeing one in person on a range.

A semi-automatic AR or AK rifle is not an "assault weapon." And yet, magazines over ten round capacity are banned in several states. California's 1989 ban included 40 different semi-automatic pistols and rifles which they considered "assault weapons", also including magazines over 10 rounds.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/aws-guide.pdf?

 

[White 6]

A semi-automatic AR or AK rifle is not an "assault weapon." And yet, magazines over ten round capacity are banned in several states. California's 1989 ban included 40 different semi-automatic pistols and rifles which they considered "assault weapons", also including magazines over 10 rounds.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/aws-guide.pdf?

That is goofy. I use 20 rd or 30 rd magazines on the range just to continue practice without having to reload as often. I like 20 rd if firing from prone supported as the longer 30 rd magazine gets in the way and changes the way I shoot. It is not illegal here. I live in a normal state.

 

[JGalt]

That is goofy. I use 20 rd or 30 rd magazines on the range just to continue practice without having to reload as often. I like 20 rd if firing from prone supported as the longer 30 rd magazine gets in the way and changes the way I shoot. It is not illegal here. I live in a normal state.

If you haven't noticed yet, most every factory stock AR-15 available still has a bayonet lug under the front sight.

That's also considered "illegal" in some states.