Why White People Don’t Like to Talk About Race

[MaryL]

You guys know what a plutocracy is, right? All sarcasm and facetiousness aside...

 

[Manonthestreet]

Cause it's been talked to death....

 

[IM2]

For all the white slave owners , there where many more whites that never wanted it or profited by it. And we fought THEM and WE died in the civil war. And we don't have numbers over our heads and we didn't profit either way...we cant be enumerated. Don't forget ..them, or US.

The system of racism was more than slavery. And if you want to keep trying to argue, go study up because at this point your argument amounts to a load of disingenuous baloney.

Beginning in 1958, the United States government decided to pay descendants of confederate soldiers reparations. They got them from 1958 until 2017 for a war none of them were alive for and that none of them fought. These were monthly checks for a war their ancestors fought against the United States. For years, black tax money went to pay whites who descended from slaveowners and overseers. But when it comes time to recognize the damage done to blacks we get excuses and idiocy from all sides, and that includes some in the black community.

 

[IM2]

Cause it's been talked to death....

Only to those who are racists. It's apparently easy to say something you do to someone else is not a problem.

 

[IM2]

Let's not complain about plutocracies when you voted for a billionaire and worship him no matter how many laws he breaks.

 

[Paul Essien]

The war against people that take everything literally. And your outrage stems from what exactly...?

What people ? Who? And when you name these ppl. What have they taken?

My outrage? By that are you sitting there arrogantly as a white person, saying that blk ppl have no rights to be angry ?

 

[IM2]

I'm White and talk about race sometimes Accept I know i will get vilified if "we" criticize popular liberal racial issues, because liberals are sooo open minded they will crucify you for it...

Seriously, you don't call what you do criticism do you? And then there is your opinion. Liberal programs aren't the problem and government could get as big as it wanted when it was doing for whites only. Your ignorance pertaining to this reality is why you will be criticized by blacks for your opinion. Then there is the matter of whites like you that think if you acknowledge our experience, that's somehow kissing our ass.

 

[IM2]

My outrage? By that are you sitting there arrogantly as a white person, saying that blk ppl have no rights to be angry ?

We are supposed to just take it. Meanwhile whites like Mary can be outraged about anything they want. Even if they make it up.

 

[Unkotare]

For all the white slave owners , there where many more whites that never wanted it or profited by it. And we fought THEM and WE died in the civil war. And we don't have numbers over our heads and we didn't profit either way...we cant be enumerated. Don't forget ..them, or US.

YOU did NOT fight in the Civil War.

 

[Meathead]

USMB is a fine example of this.

Why White People Don’t Like to Talk About Race
March 26, 2015 by Barnabas Piper

Most white people want no part of the conversation about race. We don’t want it with our baristas, our neighbors, our spouses, or anyone really. We don’t quite know what do each February during Black History Month. For most white people that’s Martin Luther King Jr. awareness month with a nod to Harriet Tubman and not much sense of any other aspect of black history or culture. The ongoing tensions surrounding the deaths of Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Alton Sterling, Philando Castile, and so many other incidents are more than most of us know what to do with (if we want anything to do with them at all).

Most of us grew up unaffected by the racial divide, or at least unaware of how it affected us. Now, though, the divide has been brought to us and we’re at a loss. We don’t want that conversation. We’re uncomfortable with it. Our responses tend to fall into two main groups.

Group 1: Don’t want to talk about race

This first group contains the bigots and racists. They don’t want to talk about race (or maybe they do for all the wrong reasons) because they want to be the only race. This bunch deserves a whole lot of ink, most of it not very pleasant, and none of it here. They are despicable products of unfortunate upbringings.

The majority of this group, though, is not outright bigoted. Instead they are outright ignorant and therefore subtly prejudiced. They are unexposed to minority cultures (not just black, but all non-white cultures) and unaware of the complexities, difficulties, and hurts there. Really most of white America is part of, or has been part of, this group. They are the comfortable majority, and thus they determine the status quo. Life is good, so why rock the boat? It’s not that they don’t “care” about the needs of others — you won’t find a more cause-oriented bunch of advocates than young, privileged white people — but those needs never really intersect with their lives at a personal and relational level. And they’re happy to keep it that way because any other way is uncomfortable and intimidating. It’s a passive aggressive approach to racial separation, and one most don’t even realize they’re participating in. Their ignorance is blindness they mistake for bliss.

Group 2: Don’t know how to talk about race

Why White People Don't Like to Talk About Race

Most here are not the blissfully ignorant. You are racists. Blacks here have been called all kinds of racist names and all kinds of overtly racist opinion has been spoken. Blissful ignorance is not why a thread about black names has been created at least 2 times sine I've actively started participating here. The same goes for other things.

Now watch the racism you will see from people who are going to complain. They never complain when a thread by a white person denigrating blacks is posted. Only when a thread about whites is made do they suddenly become colorblind.

We talk about blacks when they make the news. The problem is that most of the news about blacks is in the crime section.

 

[Jackson]

You guys know what a plutocracy is, right? All sarcasm and facetiousness aside...

It's ruling by the wealthy, isn't it? We don't literally have a plutocracy but the wealthy do have a great impact on our society.

 

[miketx]

USMB is a fine example of this.

Why White People Don’t Like to Talk About Race
March 26, 2015 by Barnabas Piper

Most white people want no part of the conversation about race. We don’t want it with our baristas, our neighbors, our spouses, or anyone really. We don’t quite know what do each February during Black History Month. For most white people that’s Martin Luther King Jr. awareness month with a nod to Harriet Tubman and not much sense of any other aspect of black history or culture. The ongoing tensions surrounding the deaths of Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Alton Sterling, Philando Castile, and so many other incidents are more than most of us know what to do with (if we want anything to do with them at all).

Most of us grew up unaffected by the racial divide, or at least unaware of how it affected us. Now, though, the divide has been brought to us and we’re at a loss. We don’t want that conversation. We’re uncomfortable with it. Our responses tend to fall into two main groups.

Group 1: Don’t want to talk about race

This first group contains the bigots and racists. They don’t want to talk about race (or maybe they do for all the wrong reasons) because they want to be the only race. This bunch deserves a whole lot of ink, most of it not very pleasant, and none of it here. They are despicable products of unfortunate upbringings.

The majority of this group, though, is not outright bigoted. Instead they are outright ignorant and therefore subtly prejudiced. They are unexposed to minority cultures (not just black, but all non-white cultures) and unaware of the complexities, difficulties, and hurts there. Really most of white America is part of, or has been part of, this group. They are the comfortable majority, and thus they determine the status quo. Life is good, so why rock the boat? It’s not that they don’t “care” about the needs of others — you won’t find a more cause-oriented bunch of advocates than young, privileged white people — but those needs never really intersect with their lives at a personal and relational level. And they’re happy to keep it that way because any other way is uncomfortable and intimidating. It’s a passive aggressive approach to racial separation, and one most don’t even realize they’re participating in. Their ignorance is blindness they mistake for bliss.

Group 2: Don’t know how to talk about race

Why White People Don't Like to Talk About Race

Most here are not the blissfully ignorant. You are racists. Blacks here have been called all kinds of racist names and all kinds of overtly racist opinion has been spoken. Blissful ignorance is not why a thread about black names has been created at least 2 times sine I've actively started participating here. The same goes for other things.

Now watch the racism you will see from people who are going to complain. They never complain when a thread by a white person denigrating blacks is posted. Only when a thread about whites is made do they suddenly become colorblind.

Jesus doesn't this crying bastard ever shut up?

 

[JoeMoma]

Talking about race with IM2 is a waste of time.

 

[flacaltenn]

You can fix policies and beliefs that have allowed the justice system to perpetuate racism in enforcing the law. As to you last sentence, it's disingenuous. We should work to erase all police brutality but there aren't too many whites working in law enforcement that believe white crime is a problem even when they see more of it than of blacks.

"White crime isn't a problem"???? That's almost as silly as asserting there's no police or judicial misconduct against white or brown or yellow people... And there IS "more of it"... But you're still statistically challenged and can't functionally mathematically compare the RATES of "crime" between those groups... OR for that matter, see the difference between income, education, or any other variable by racial group... Because you refuse to USE "rates" or "probability"....

 

[Unkotare]

In the United States, white people (and all other 'groups' of people - sorry leftists) talk about race all the damn time. You'd be hard pressed to find a country where people (of all 'races' - sorry leftists) talk about it more.

 

[IM2]

You can fix policies and beliefs that have allowed the justice system to perpetuate racism in enforcing the law. As to you last sentence, it's disingenuous. We should work to erase all police brutality but there aren't too many whites working in law enforcement that believe white crime is a problem even when they see more of it than of blacks.

"White crime isn't a problem"???? That's almost as silly as asserting there's no police or judicial misconduct against white or brown or yellow people... And there IS "more of it"... But you're still statistically challenged and can't functionally mathematically compare the RATES of "crime" between those groups... OR for that matter, see the difference between income, education, or any other variable by racial group... Because you refuse to USE "rates" or "probability"....

I know white crime is a problem but how many of your buddies here have chosen to talk about white on white crime? Where are the media series about crime in the white community? Why do stop and frisk policies stop and frisk more people of color? Why aren't white communities over policed? My understanding of crime rates are just fine and my understanding of rates and probability are excellent. Probability is a chance, the actual occurrences are where you and those like you fail. We are dying because of probability, when the actual occurrences relative to crime don't support probability. When it comes to law enforcement things are based on what is proven to have happened, not on rates or probability. And even if you want to use rates and probability, the measurement should concern only the numbers who participate in unlawful activity.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

For all the white slave owners , there where many more whites that never wanted it or profited by it. And we fought THEM and WE died in the civil war. And we don't have numbers over our heads and we didn't profit either way...we cant be enumerated. Don't forget ..them, or US.

The system of racism was more than slavery. And if you want to keep trying to argue, go study up because at this point your argument amounts to a load of disingenuous baloney.

Beginning in 1958, the United States government decided to pay descendants of confederate soldiers reparations. They got them from 1958 until 2017 for a war none of them were alive for and that none of them fought. These were monthly checks for a war their ancestors fought against the United States. For years, black tax money went to pay whites who descended from slaveowners and overseers. But when it comes time to recognize the damage done to blacks we get excuses and idiocy from all sides, and that includes some in the black community.

Beginning in 1958, the United States government decided to pay descendants of confederate soldiers reparations.

Liar.

 

[Correll]

You can fix policies and beliefs that have allowed the justice system to perpetuate racism in enforcing the law. As to you last sentence, it's disingenuous. We should work to erase all police brutality but there aren't too many whites working in law enforcement that believe white crime is a problem even when they see more of it than of blacks.

"White crime isn't a problem"???? That's almost as silly as asserting there's no police or judicial misconduct against white or brown or yellow people... And there IS "more of it"... But you're still statistically challenged and can't functionally mathematically compare the RATES of "crime" between those groups... OR for that matter, see the difference between income, education, or any other variable by racial group... Because you refuse to USE "rates" or "probability"....

I know white crime is a problem but how many of your buddies here have chosen to talk about white on white crime? Where are the media series about crime in the white community? Why do stop and frisk policies stop and frisk more people of color? Why aren't white communities over policed? My understanding of crime rates are just fine and my understanding of rates and probability are excellent. Probability is a chance, the actual occurrences are where you and those like you fail. We are dying because of probability, when the actual occurrences relative to crime don't support probability. When it comes to law enforcement things are based on what is proven to have happened, not on rates or probability. And even if you want to use rates and probability, the measurement should concern only the numbers who participate in unlawful activity.

White on white crime does not get a lot of discussion here, because it has not defenders like black criminals do.


We are all against it. We don't make excuses for it, or blame other people for it, or deny it exists.

 

[22lcidw]

In the United States, white people (and all other 'groups' of people - sorry leftists) talk about race all the damn time. You'd be hard pressed to find a country where people (of all 'races' - sorry leftists) talk about it more.

If that is true it would be because we are the most diverse nation on the planet that has money. There can be many reasons but pettiness and jealousies of each other inflames any cultural ways of any groups or individuals.

 

[MaryL]

You guys know what a plutocracy is, right? All sarcasm and facetiousness aside...

It's ruling by the wealthy, isn't it? We don't literally have a plutocracy but the wealthy do have a great impact on our society.

I have this realization spurred by years of experience. YES, there are people that are manipulating our political system to their benefit and they do so using proxies...the "deep state" isn't a paranoid delusion. They don't care about blacks, women or guns or climate change either, but they pretend too.