Why wont the left stand up for Americans and protect our borders?

[Coyote]

Found this video and it lays out the details in a manner anyone can understand.

Didn't watch the video, but to answer the question posed by our thread title, it's because they want to hasten the browning of America as quickly as they can.

I'm not even sure they'd deny that at this point. And they're going to get their way. It's already begun.
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It might be useful to actually look at data and question the OP’s assumption here: that the left does not support border control.

The right continuously frames this in a false dichotomy: if you don’t support Trump’s policies you don’t support border control.

Really now?

If you look at polling border control has a high level of bipartisan support. There are a lot of ways of doing that. High tech surveillance at the border, increase the number of border control agents, increase the number of judges to speed up the process, make use of electronic monitoring devices and increase the number of workers needed to handle caseloads awaiting hearings. All of these either work to prevent illegal entry and speed up the backlog of people awaiting hearings. In addition we can speed up the deportation of those convicted of violent crimes. This costs a lot less than a wall and massive tent cities to hold people indefinitely and have significant downsides to them. And these also have widespread support from the left.

Because we oppose militarizing the border and separating families that does not mean we oppose border control yet the right constantly promotes that.

The Right is intellectually paralyzed by the madness being spread by talk radio and amplified by Trump. I do believe they're really terrified. They pretty much live on hyperbole right now, so there's just no talking them down.

That doesn't change my point, though.
.

But you did not address the points I made. Why do you insist it is about the browning of America when most on the left do support border control, just not the extreme and abusive measures called for by Trump?

Because it's both. The two are mutually exclusive: The Democrats are not for open borders, and they're celebrating the browning of the country.

Do you really think there would be outrage from the Left if these people were granted asylum? I don't, not for a minute. And the same would be true if it happened another hundred times.

I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation.
.

I have no issue with asylum seekers, who have a credible case, getting asylum granted. We have a process for that and most don’t get it and end up deported. The system seems to have worked well for years, there is not some huge influx of people getting asylum so why the hysteria?

I doubt the left would be outraged if they got it...just as the right won’t be outraged if they deny it. But that doesn’t mean we don’t support a system that provides for certain rights and a process to determine each applicant’s eligibility for asylum.

 

[Mac1958]

Didn't watch the video, but to answer the question posed by our thread title, it's because they want to hasten the browning of America as quickly as they can.

I'm not even sure they'd deny that at this point. And they're going to get their way. It's already begun.
.

It might be useful to actually look at data and question the OP’s assumption here: that the left does not support border control.

The right continuously frames this in a false dichotomy: if you don’t support Trump’s policies you don’t support border control.

Really now?

If you look at polling border control has a high level of bipartisan support. There are a lot of ways of doing that. High tech surveillance at the border, increase the number of border control agents, increase the number of judges to speed up the process, make use of electronic monitoring devices and increase the number of workers needed to handle caseloads awaiting hearings. All of these either work to prevent illegal entry and speed up the backlog of people awaiting hearings. In addition we can speed up the deportation of those convicted of violent crimes. This costs a lot less than a wall and massive tent cities to hold people indefinitely and have significant downsides to them. And these also have widespread support from the left.

Because we oppose militarizing the border and separating families that does not mean we oppose border control yet the right constantly promotes that.

The Right is intellectually paralyzed by the madness being spread by talk radio and amplified by Trump. I do believe they're really terrified. They pretty much live on hyperbole right now, so there's just no talking them down.

That doesn't change my point, though.
.

But you did not address the points I made. Why do you insist it is about the browning of America when most on the left do support border control, just not the extreme and abusive measures called for by Trump?

Because it's both. The two are mutually exclusive: The Democrats are not for open borders, and they're celebrating the browning of the country.

Do you really think there would be outrage from the Left if these people were granted asylum? I don't, not for a minute. And the same would be true if it happened another hundred times.

I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation.
.

I have no issue with asylum seekers, who have a credible case, getting asylum granted. We have a process for that and most don’t get it and end up deported. The system seems to have worked well for years, there is not some huge influx of people getting asylum so why the hysteria?

I doubt the left would be outraged if they got it...just as the right won’t be outraged if they deny it. But that doesn’t mean we don’t support a system that provides for certain rights and a process to determine each applicant’s eligibility for asylum.

Sure, your positions are being blatantly misrepresented with hyperbole and hysteria.

Surprised?


.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Deploying the military is a political ploy, nothing more. The intent is to distract from the latest spate of extremist violence and rally the base.

The one and only sacred duty of the Federal government is to secure our borders from invasion. You Stalinists want that to be the one and only thing government DOESN'T do.

Further, the deployment of troops to counter the invasion was started long before Soros talked Sayoc into sending dummy bombs out in a Ford type stunt.

I suspect Sayoc is dumb and the Soros scum actually convinced the fool that this would help Trump and America.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Didn't watch the video, but to answer the question posed by our thread title, it's because they want to hasten the browning of America as quickly as they can.

I'm not even sure they'd deny that at this point. And they're going to get their way. It's already begun.
.

It might be useful to actually look at data and question the OP’s assumption here: that the left does not support border control.

The right continuously frames this in a false dichotomy: if you don’t support Trump’s policies you don’t support border control.

Really now?

If you look at polling border control has a high level of bipartisan support. There are a lot of ways of doing that. High tech surveillance at the border, increase the number of border control agents, increase the number of judges to speed up the process, make use of electronic monitoring devices and increase the number of workers needed to handle caseloads awaiting hearings. All of these either work to prevent illegal entry and speed up the backlog of people awaiting hearings. In addition we can speed up the deportation of those convicted of violent crimes. This costs a lot less than a wall and massive tent cities to hold people indefinitely and have significant downsides to them. And these also have widespread support from the left.

Because we oppose militarizing the border and separating families that does not mean we oppose border control yet the right constantly promotes that.

The Right is intellectually paralyzed by the madness being spread by talk radio and amplified by Trump. I do believe they're really terrified. They pretty much live on hyperbole right now, so there's just no talking them down.

That doesn't change my point, though.
.

But you did not address the points I made. Why do you insist it is about the browning of America when most on the left do support border control, just not the extreme and abusive measures called for by Trump?

Because it's both. The two are mutually exclusive: The Democrats are not for open borders, and they're celebrating the browning of the country.

Do you really think there would be outrage from the Left if these people were granted asylum? I don't, not for a minute. And the same would be true if it happened another hundred times.

I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation.
.

I have no issue with asylum seekers, who have a credible case, getting asylum granted. We have a process for that and most don’t get it and end up deported. The system seems to have worked well for years, there is not some huge influx of people getting asylum so why the hysteria?

I doubt the left would be outraged if they got it...just as the right won’t be outraged if they deny it. But that doesn’t mean we don’t support a system that provides for certain rights and a process to determine each applicant’s eligibility for asylum.

Yes, but you want a completely open border so that the demographics and culture of America are destroyed, so that the Socialist dream you hold can become a reality.

democrats, making America Venezuela.

 

[deanrd]

Democrats have sided with foreign countries to overthrow US elections with millions of illegals. Did you now that illegals kill 42,000 Americans each year?

That’s horrible. You have to post the link.

Did you know that a single illegal shipment of Fentanyl law enforcement intercepted was enough of the drug to kill 26 million people?

So these illegal aliens are making Fentanyl?
Such talented people.
Sounds more like something that would come from a drug company Republicans protect.

 

[WheelieAddict]

So what did you mean by "it's because they want to hasten the browning of America as quickly as they can." What's that about?

It's a literal comment. The hardcore Left has made no attempt to hide this, so I don't know why you're so pissy.

From people in my own family to their friends and acquaintances to what I read here to what I see and hear and read pretty much everywhere else, this is the goal of the hardcore Left.

Further, there is no interest in actual racial healing. This will be about payback and revenge. I know that first hand, too.

What cracks me up the most is how all the White Guilt-soaked lefties somehow think they'll be immune from what's coming.
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Oh jeez, what is coming? Tell us all about it, sounds important...

Nothing!
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lol. You are faker than the Oakland Raiders defense bud. Sad!

Okay, bud! Sad!
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It really is. Don't forget to vote Tuesday.

 

[deanrd]

It might be useful to actually look at data and question the OP’s assumption here: that the left does not support border control.

The right continuously frames this in a false dichotomy: if you don’t support Trump’s policies you don’t support border control.

Really now?

If you look at polling border control has a high level of bipartisan support. There are a lot of ways of doing that. High tech surveillance at the border, increase the number of border control agents, increase the number of judges to speed up the process, make use of electronic monitoring devices and increase the number of workers needed to handle caseloads awaiting hearings. All of these either work to prevent illegal entry and speed up the backlog of people awaiting hearings. In addition we can speed up the deportation of those convicted of violent crimes. This costs a lot less than a wall and massive tent cities to hold people indefinitely and have significant downsides to them. And these also have widespread support from the left.

Because we oppose militarizing the border and separating families that does not mean we oppose border control yet the right constantly promotes that.

The Right is intellectually paralyzed by the madness being spread by talk radio and amplified by Trump. I do believe they're really terrified. They pretty much live on hyperbole right now, so there's just no talking them down.

That doesn't change my point, though.
.

But you did not address the points I made. Why do you insist it is about the browning of America when most on the left do support border control, just not the extreme and abusive measures called for by Trump?

Because it's both. The two are mutually exclusive: The Democrats are not for open borders, and they're celebrating the browning of the country.

Do you really think there would be outrage from the Left if these people were granted asylum? I don't, not for a minute. And the same would be true if it happened another hundred times.

I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation.
.

I have no issue with asylum seekers, who have a credible case, getting asylum granted. We have a process for that and most don’t get it and end up deported. The system seems to have worked well for years, there is not some huge influx of people getting asylum so why the hysteria?

I doubt the left would be outraged if they got it...just as the right won’t be outraged if they deny it. But that doesn’t mean we don’t support a system that provides for certain rights and a process to determine each applicant’s eligibility for asylum.

Yes, but you want a completely open border so that the demographics and culture of America are destroyed, so that the Socialist dream you hold can become a reality.

democrats, making America Venezuela.

Two things.
I don't know any Democrats who believe in open borders.
I know plenty of Republicans who are so stupid, they believe Democrats believe in open borders.

If it sounds ridiculous, it probably is.

Republicans and their ridiculous accusations are, well, "ridiculous".

 

[Uncensored2008]

So these illegal aliens are making Fentanyl?

No, but an awful lot of them are smuggling it in,.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The Right is intellectually paralyzed by the madness being spread by talk radio and amplified by Trump. I do believe they're really terrified. They pretty much live on hyperbole right now, so there's just no talking them down.

That doesn't change my point, though.
.

But you did not address the points I made. Why do you insist it is about the browning of America when most on the left do support border control, just not the extreme and abusive measures called for by Trump?

Because it's both. The two are mutually exclusive: The Democrats are not for open borders, and they're celebrating the browning of the country.

Do you really think there would be outrage from the Left if these people were granted asylum? I don't, not for a minute. And the same would be true if it happened another hundred times.

I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation.
.

I have no issue with asylum seekers, who have a credible case, getting asylum granted. We have a process for that and most don’t get it and end up deported. The system seems to have worked well for years, there is not some huge influx of people getting asylum so why the hysteria?

I doubt the left would be outraged if they got it...just as the right won’t be outraged if they deny it. But that doesn’t mean we don’t support a system that provides for certain rights and a process to determine each applicant’s eligibility for asylum.

Yes, but you want a completely open border so that the demographics and culture of America are destroyed, so that the Socialist dream you hold can become a reality.

democrats, making America Venezuela.

Two things.
I don't know any Democrats who believe in open borders.
I know plenty of Republicans who are so stupid, they believe Democrats believe in open borders.

If it sounds ridiculous, it probably is.

Republicans and their ridiculous accusations are, well, "ridiculous".

Name a democrat politician NOT calling for open borders?

{
Democrats call this fear-mongering, but among Democrats it has caused political paralysis, a self-destructive institutional passivity. Democratic leaders want their members to stay silent.

And there’s one thing about silence.

“Chi tace acconsente,” says my barber, Raffaele Raia. “He who is silent says ‘yes’. The silence is the consent.”

And so, whatever you call this, it may just be the event that finally compels Americans to think long and hard about why a sovereign nation would even bother to have borders at all.}

For Democrats, silence is consent on the immigrant caravan

democrats are at war to end America; that is simple fact.

 

[Coyote]

But you did not address the points I made. Why do you insist it is about the browning of America when most on the left do support border control, just not the extreme and abusive measures called for by Trump?

Because it's both. The two are mutually exclusive: The Democrats are not for open borders, and they're celebrating the browning of the country.

Do you really think there would be outrage from the Left if these people were granted asylum? I don't, not for a minute. And the same would be true if it happened another hundred times.

I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation.
.

I have no issue with asylum seekers, who have a credible case, getting asylum granted. We have a process for that and most don’t get it and end up deported. The system seems to have worked well for years, there is not some huge influx of people getting asylum so why the hysteria?

I doubt the left would be outraged if they got it...just as the right won’t be outraged if they deny it. But that doesn’t mean we don’t support a system that provides for certain rights and a process to determine each applicant’s eligibility for asylum.

Yes, but you want a completely open border so that the demographics and culture of America are destroyed, so that the Socialist dream you hold can become a reality.

democrats, making America Venezuela.

Two things.
I don't know any Democrats who believe in open borders.
I know plenty of Republicans who are so stupid, they believe Democrats believe in open borders.

If it sounds ridiculous, it probably is.

Republicans and their ridiculous accusations are, well, "ridiculous".

Name a democrat politician NOT calling for open borders?

{
Democrats call this fear-mongering, but among Democrats it has caused political paralysis, a self-destructive institutional passivity. Democratic leaders want their members to stay silent.

And there’s one thing about silence.

“Chi tace acconsente,” says my barber, Raffaele Raia. “He who is silent says ‘yes’. The silence is the consent.”

And so, whatever you call this, it may just be the event that finally compels Americans to think long and hard about why a sovereign nation would even bother to have borders at all.}

For Democrats, silence is consent on the immigrant caravan

democrats are at war to end America; that is simple fact.

I can’t think of any calling for it so I guess I would have to say all of them. But this exactly the kind of dishonest argument I expect from you,

 

[Coyote]

It might be useful to actually look at data and question the OP’s assumption here: that the left does not support border control.

The right continuously frames this in a false dichotomy: if you don’t support Trump’s policies you don’t support border control.

Really now?

If you look at polling border control has a high level of bipartisan support. There are a lot of ways of doing that. High tech surveillance at the border, increase the number of border control agents, increase the number of judges to speed up the process, make use of electronic monitoring devices and increase the number of workers needed to handle caseloads awaiting hearings. All of these either work to prevent illegal entry and speed up the backlog of people awaiting hearings. In addition we can speed up the deportation of those convicted of violent crimes. This costs a lot less than a wall and massive tent cities to hold people indefinitely and have significant downsides to them. And these also have widespread support from the left.

Because we oppose militarizing the border and separating families that does not mean we oppose border control yet the right constantly promotes that.

The Right is intellectually paralyzed by the madness being spread by talk radio and amplified by Trump. I do believe they're really terrified. They pretty much live on hyperbole right now, so there's just no talking them down.

That doesn't change my point, though.
.

But you did not address the points I made. Why do you insist it is about the browning of America when most on the left do support border control, just not the extreme and abusive measures called for by Trump?

Because it's both. The two are mutually exclusive: The Democrats are not for open borders, and they're celebrating the browning of the country.

Do you really think there would be outrage from the Left if these people were granted asylum? I don't, not for a minute. And the same would be true if it happened another hundred times.

I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation.
.

I have no issue with asylum seekers, who have a credible case, getting asylum granted. We have a process for that and most don’t get it and end up deported. The system seems to have worked well for years, there is not some huge influx of people getting asylum so why the hysteria?

I doubt the left would be outraged if they got it...just as the right won’t be outraged if they deny it. But that doesn’t mean we don’t support a system that provides for certain rights and a process to determine each applicant’s eligibility for asylum.

Sure, your positions are being blatantly misrepresented with hyperbole and hysteria.

Surprised?


.

No.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Because it's both. The two are mutually exclusive: The Democrats are not for open borders, and they're celebrating the browning of the country.

Do you really think there would be outrage from the Left if these people were granted asylum? I don't, not for a minute. And the same would be true if it happened another hundred times.

I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation.
.

I have no issue with asylum seekers, who have a credible case, getting asylum granted. We have a process for that and most don’t get it and end up deported. The system seems to have worked well for years, there is not some huge influx of people getting asylum so why the hysteria?

I doubt the left would be outraged if they got it...just as the right won’t be outraged if they deny it. But that doesn’t mean we don’t support a system that provides for certain rights and a process to determine each applicant’s eligibility for asylum.

Yes, but you want a completely open border so that the demographics and culture of America are destroyed, so that the Socialist dream you hold can become a reality.

democrats, making America Venezuela.

Two things.
I don't know any Democrats who believe in open borders.
I know plenty of Republicans who are so stupid, they believe Democrats believe in open borders.

If it sounds ridiculous, it probably is.

Republicans and their ridiculous accusations are, well, "ridiculous".

Name a democrat politician NOT calling for open borders?

{
Democrats call this fear-mongering, but among Democrats it has caused political paralysis, a self-destructive institutional passivity. Democratic leaders want their members to stay silent.

And there’s one thing about silence.

“Chi tace acconsente,” says my barber, Raffaele Raia. “He who is silent says ‘yes’. The silence is the consent.”

And so, whatever you call this, it may just be the event that finally compels Americans to think long and hard about why a sovereign nation would even bother to have borders at all.}

For Democrats, silence is consent on the immigrant caravan

democrats are at war to end America; that is simple fact.

I can’t think of any calling for it so I guess I would have to say all of them. But this exactly the kind of dishonest argument I expect from you,

Your lack of honesty doesn't alter reality.

From radical Communist source Vox;

The list of Democrats calling to abolish ICE keeps growing

 

[JLW]

Why won't the right stop with this lie that liberals are for open borders?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Why won't the right stop with this lie that liberals are for open borders?

The left IS for open borders. That it polls poorly is something you Marxists should have considered when you first went down this road.

{
How disconnected from their own base is the Democratic Party? We have one clue, courtesy of a new Harris/Harvard poll conducted by pollster Mark Penn, the former Bill Clinton aide. He asked about the “Abolish ICE” proposal and whether the agency should be disbanded. Sixty-nine percent of registered voters said no, including 59 percent of Democrats and 73 percent of independents.

Amazing to see that six out of 10 Democrats disagree with the national effort by Democrats who appear to be leading the party.

Additionally, when asked about immigration laws, 51 percent of Democrats said they should be stricter and 49 percent of Democrats said border security is inadequate.

Much of the rhetoric about the Democrats is that they’re disconnected from the average American. That appears to be true, but the more surprising revelation is that they’re as out of touch with their own base.}

‘Abolish ICE’ narrative a recipe for disaster for Democrats

 

[Rustic]

There is Not one single Democratic elected official that supports open borders.

Lol
We have an open southern border, And progressives want to do nothing about it..

 

[Rustic]

Why won't the right stop with this lie that liberals are for open borders?

Well, we have an open southern border... And progressives want to do nothing about it

 

[jc456]

Found this video and it lays out the details in a manner anyone can understand.

Didn't watch the video, but to answer the question posed by our thread title, it's because they want to hasten the browning of America as quickly as they can.

I'm not even sure they'd deny that at this point. And they're going to get their way. It's already begun.
.

It started a century ago

 

[deanrd]

But you did not address the points I made. Why do you insist it is about the browning of America when most on the left do support border control, just not the extreme and abusive measures called for by Trump?

Because it's both. The two are mutually exclusive: The Democrats are not for open borders, and they're celebrating the browning of the country.

Do you really think there would be outrage from the Left if these people were granted asylum? I don't, not for a minute. And the same would be true if it happened another hundred times.

I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation.
.

I have no issue with asylum seekers, who have a credible case, getting asylum granted. We have a process for that and most don’t get it and end up deported. The system seems to have worked well for years, there is not some huge influx of people getting asylum so why the hysteria?

I doubt the left would be outraged if they got it...just as the right won’t be outraged if they deny it. But that doesn’t mean we don’t support a system that provides for certain rights and a process to determine each applicant’s eligibility for asylum.

Yes, but you want a completely open border so that the demographics and culture of America are destroyed, so that the Socialist dream you hold can become a reality.

democrats, making America Venezuela.

Two things.
I don't know any Democrats who believe in open borders.
I know plenty of Republicans who are so stupid, they believe Democrats believe in open borders.

If it sounds ridiculous, it probably is.

Republicans and their ridiculous accusations are, well, "ridiculous".

Name a democrat politician NOT calling for open borders?

{
Democrats call this fear-mongering, but among Democrats it has caused political paralysis, a self-destructive institutional passivity. Democratic leaders want their members to stay silent.

And there’s one thing about silence.

“Chi tace acconsente,” says my barber, Raffaele Raia. “He who is silent says ‘yes’. The silence is the consent.”

And so, whatever you call this, it may just be the event that finally compels Americans to think long and hard about why a sovereign nation would even bother to have borders at all.}

For Democrats, silence is consent on the immigrant caravan

democrats are at war to end America; that is simple fact.

All of them.

You can't name a single Democrat calling FOR Open borders.

Next, you'll be telling us Obama was born in Kenya.

 

[jc456]

There is Not one single Democratic elected official that supports open borders.

So why are they silent on the caravan? Hmmm?

 

[deanrd]

Why won't the right stop with this lie that liberals are for open borders?

Well, we have an open southern border... And progressives want to do nothing about it

No we don't.

Another lie.

Don't you guys ever get tired of lying?

Terrible role model for children.