Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

[JRK]

You liberals and your childish name calling blows me away. your not taken serious by any-one after your first name calling event
I have no idea who you people are and have nothing against you. I post factual information that is 100% from links.
I really am amazed at that getting some-one into a 1st grade on the play ground childish rant
Wa Wa Wa

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK is a liar, pure and simple.

1) no WMDs were found as described by the Administration. Any talk about yellow cake and other stuff, when read in full, one quickly realizes this is not what the Admin meant,

2) Iraqi women are being forced into sharia submission, including honor killings.

3) JRK shames our American military personnel every time he posts.

 

[Bloodline]

When does the US need permission from the UN, the UN that put murderous dictators on human rights panels?

You are insane, probably from that syphilis finally eating away your brain like it did with Hitler. Lucky for the world you only control your TV remote and your blow up doll, unlike hitler.

JRK continues his fail on the Boad.

The invasion was unnecessary, was not sanctioned by the UN, was illegal, and did not result in a reconstituted ME in harmony with the USA. It led to a huge deficit, injured the economy, and the rejection of neo-con thuggery in politics.

He has not carried one single point as women are forced back into sharia submission and Iraq drifts into alliance with Iran,

JRK should never be allowed to in the presence of our military,

Now, every Iraqi is free to vote or run for office, without closed door approval or fear of death. Iraqi women can vote, hold office, become a doctor, teacher, or any other occupation that will provide non suicidal dreams for her children. Iraqi sports teams can back the candidates of their choosing without losing the right to represent their country.

Jake you talk of what right I have after that lie you just told about Iraqi women?

Iranian Protest: The True Success of Iraq |

You should check into what Iraq looked like before the first gulf war and UN sanctions (mostly driven by the U.S.).

Great universities....medical facilities unmatched in the eastern hemisphere....a thriving economy....arts....literature.

Generally a pretty good quality of life for anybody!

Please.....don't give this crap about "women not being able to vote!"

Yeah sure....of course women should be allowed to vote!

So should the tens of thousands of disenfranchised inner city minority voters being PURGED from the rolls right now even as we speak in Florida and in cities all over the U.S. by powerful Republic interests!

Where's your similar outrage over them?

Universally agreed

 

[Bloodline]

You liberals and your childish name calling blows me away. your not taken serious by any-one after your first name calling event
I have no idea who you people are and have nothing against you. I post factual information that is 100% from links.
I really am amazed at that getting some-one into a 1st grade on the play ground childish rant
Wa Wa Wa

Actually you seem perfectly suited to a 1st grade playground.

Wa...Wa....WOOF!

So, when are you going to try posting something "factual" again?

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK has never met a real fact he liked.

 

[JRK]

When does the US need permission from the UN, the UN that put murderous dictators on human rights panels?

You are insane, probably from that syphilis finally eating away your brain like it did with Hitler. Lucky for the world you only control your TV remote and your blow up doll, unlike hitler.

Now, every Iraqi is free to vote or run for office, without closed door approval or fear of death. Iraqi women can vote, hold office, become a doctor, teacher, or any other occupation that will provide non suicidal dreams for her children. Iraqi sports teams can back the candidates of their choosing without losing the right to represent their country.

Jake you talk of what right I have after that lie you just told about Iraqi women?

Iranian Protest: The True Success of Iraq |

You should check into what Iraq looked like before the first gulf war and UN sanctions (mostly driven by the U.S.).

Great universities....medical facilities unmatched in the eastern hemisphere....a thriving economy....arts....literature.

Generally a pretty good quality of life for anybody!

Please.....don't give this crap about "women not being able to vote!"

Yeah sure....of course women should be allowed to vote!

So should the tens of thousands of disenfranchised inner city minority voters being PURGED from the rolls right now even as we speak in Florida and in cities all over the U.S. by powerful Republic interests!

Where's your similar outrage over them?

Universally agreed

are you serious?

According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Others have estimated 800,000 deaths caused by Saddam not counting the Iran-Iraq war.[10] Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam's regime vary from 300-500,000[11] to over 600,000,[12] estimates as to the number of Kurds he massacred vary from 70,000 to 300,000,[13] and estimates as to the number killed in the put-down of the 1991 rebellion vary from 60,000[14] to 200,000.[12] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[15]

You call this generally a pretty good life?
WHAT?

Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JRK]

I have no idea what the comment about Florida voters is
People get an ID
They are alive
They are a citizen
they vote

What is so wrong with that?

 

[georgephillip]

When does the US need permission from the UN, the UN that put murderous dictators on human rights panels?

You are insane, probably from that syphilis finally eating away your brain like it did with Hitler. Lucky for the world you only control your TV remote and your blow up doll, unlike hitler.

Now, every Iraqi is free to vote or run for office, without closed door approval or fear of death. Iraqi women can vote, hold office, become a doctor, teacher, or any other occupation that will provide non suicidal dreams for her children. Iraqi sports teams can back the candidates of their choosing without losing the right to represent their country.

Jake you talk of what right I have after that lie you just told about Iraqi women?

Iranian Protest: The True Success of Iraq |

You should check into what Iraq looked like before the first gulf war and UN sanctions (mostly driven by the U.S.).

Great universities....medical facilities unmatched in the eastern hemisphere....a thriving economy....arts....literature.

Generally a pretty good quality of life for anybody!

Please.....don't give this crap about "women not being able to vote!"

Yeah sure....of course women should be allowed to vote!

So should the tens of thousands of disenfranchised inner city minority voters being PURGED from the rolls right now even as we speak in Florida and in cities all over the U.S. by powerful Republic interests!

Where's your similar outrage over them?

Universally agreed

"Case in point. Article 54 of the Geneva Conventions clearly states that destroying or rendering useless items essential to the survival of civilian populations is illegal under international law and a war crime. Hard then to explain the 1991 US bombing of electrical grids that powered 1,410 water-treatment plants for Iraq's 22 million people.

"An excerpt from a 1998 US Air Force document, entitled 'Strategic Attack,' chillingly explains: 'The electrical attacks proved extremely effective ... The loss of electricity shut down the capital's water treatment plants and led to a public health crisis from raw sewage dumped in the Tigris River.'

"A second US Defense Intelligence Agency document, 1991's 'Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities,' predicted how sanctions would then be used to prevent Iraq from getting the equipment and chemicals necessary for water purification, which would result in 'a shortage of pure drinking water for much of the population' leading to 'increased incidences, if not epidemics, of disease.'"

Material Breach: US Crimes in Iraq

 

[JRK]

Now, every Iraqi is free to vote or run for office, without closed door approval or fear of death. Iraqi women can vote, hold office, become a doctor, teacher, or any other occupation that will provide non suicidal dreams for her children. Iraqi sports teams can back the candidates of their choosing without losing the right to represent their country.

Jake you talk of what right I have after that lie you just told about Iraqi women?

Iranian Protest: The True Success of Iraq |

You should check into what Iraq looked like before the first gulf war and UN sanctions (mostly driven by the U.S.).



Example - History - Techniques - Criticism
Great universities....medical facilities unmatched in the eastern hemisphere....a thriving economy....arts....literature.

Generally a pretty good quality of life for anybody!

Please.....don't give this crap about "women not being able to vote!"

Yeah sure....of course women should be allowed to vote!

So should the tens of thousands of disenfranchised inner city minority voters being PURGED from the rolls right now even as we speak in Florida and in cities all over the U.S. by powerful Republic interests!

Where's your similar outrage over them?

Universally agreed

"Case in point. Article 54 of the Geneva Conventions clearly states that destroying or rendering useless items essential to the survival of civilian populations is illegal under international law and a war crime. Hard then to explain the 1991 US bombing of electrical grids that powered 1,410 water-treatment plants for Iraq's 22 million people.

"An excerpt from a 1998 US Air Force document, entitled 'Strategic Attack,' chillingly explains: 'The electrical attacks proved extremely effective ... The loss of electricity shut down the capital's water treatment plants and led to a public health crisis from raw sewage dumped in the Tigris River.'

"A second US Defense Intelligence Agency document, 1991's 'Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities,' predicted how sanctions would then be used to prevent Iraq from getting the equipment and chemicals necessary for water purification, which would result in 'a shortage of pure drinking water for much of the population' leading to 'increased incidences, if not epidemics, of disease.'"

Material Breach: US Crimes in Iraq

5 Whys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Example - History - Techniques - Criticism
People who have to resolve issues use this to find the root cause of a problem

Without Saddam, none of those events take place
The root cause of all of these events was Saddam Hussien

 

[Bloodline]

Now, every Iraqi is free to vote or run for office, without closed door approval or fear of death. Iraqi women can vote, hold office, become a doctor, teacher, or any other occupation that will provide non suicidal dreams for her children. Iraqi sports teams can back the candidates of their choosing without losing the right to represent their country.

Jake you talk of what right I have after that lie you just told about Iraqi women?

Iranian Protest: The True Success of Iraq |

You should check into what Iraq looked like before the first gulf war and UN sanctions (mostly driven by the U.S.).

Great universities....medical facilities unmatched in the eastern hemisphere....a thriving economy....arts....literature.

Generally a pretty good quality of life for anybody!

Please.....don't give this crap about "women not being able to vote!"

Yeah sure....of course women should be allowed to vote!

So should the tens of thousands of disenfranchised inner city minority voters being PURGED from the rolls right now even as we speak in Florida and in cities all over the U.S. by powerful Republic interests!

Where's your similar outrage over them?

Universally agreed

are you serious?

According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Others have estimated 800,000 deaths caused by Saddam not counting the Iran-Iraq war.[10] Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam's regime vary from 300-500,000[11] to over 600,000,[12] estimates as to the number of Kurds he massacred vary from 70,000 to 300,000,[13] and estimates as to the number killed in the put-down of the 1991 rebellion vary from 60,000[14] to 200,000.[12] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[15]

You call this generally a pretty good life?
WHAT?

Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Others estimate?

Whom?

Are you a New York Times fan now?

Yeah, Saddam was brutal. So are about seventy other tyrants in the world ruling their own SOVEREIGN nations as we speak. Why aren't we taking THEM out? Why did we stop with Saddam Hussein? I mean....as long as people like you are willing to use the U.S. military to clean the whole world?

By the way dude....WE sold him the poison gas and then REMAINED his buddy long after he had already used it.

https://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.htm

Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein

Iran Chamber Society: History of Iran: Arming Iraq: A Chronology of U.S. Involvement

Now how's THAT for a double standard on the concern for "quality of life?"

 

[georgephillip]

You should check into what Iraq looked like before the first gulf war and UN sanctions (mostly driven by the U.S.).



Example - History - Techniques - Criticism
Great universities....medical facilities unmatched in the eastern hemisphere....a thriving economy....arts....literature.

Generally a pretty good quality of life for anybody!

Please.....don't give this crap about "women not being able to vote!"

Yeah sure....of course women should be allowed to vote!

So should the tens of thousands of disenfranchised inner city minority voters being PURGED from the rolls right now even as we speak in Florida and in cities all over the U.S. by powerful Republic interests!

Where's your similar outrage over them?

Universally agreed

"Case in point. Article 54 of the Geneva Conventions clearly states that destroying or rendering useless items essential to the survival of civilian populations is illegal under international law and a war crime. Hard then to explain the 1991 US bombing of electrical grids that powered 1,410 water-treatment plants for Iraq's 22 million people.

"An excerpt from a 1998 US Air Force document, entitled 'Strategic Attack,' chillingly explains: 'The electrical attacks proved extremely effective ... The loss of electricity shut down the capital's water treatment plants and led to a public health crisis from raw sewage dumped in the Tigris River.'

"A second US Defense Intelligence Agency document, 1991's 'Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities,' predicted how sanctions would then be used to prevent Iraq from getting the equipment and chemicals necessary for water purification, which would result in 'a shortage of pure drinking water for much of the population' leading to 'increased incidences, if not epidemics, of disease.'"

Material Breach: US Crimes in Iraq

5 Whys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_WhysThe 5 Whys is a question-asking technique used to explore the cause-and-effect relationships underlying a particular problem. The primary goal of the technique ...
Example - History - Techniques - Criticism
People who have to resolve issues use this to find the root cause of a problem

Without Saddam, none of those events take place
The root cause of all of these events was Saddam Hussien

Saddam's party would never have come to power in Iraq without help from the CIA.
The concern of US elites over the control of "greatest material prize in history" is the root cause of all the war crimes committed in the Middle East since the end of WWII.

 

[Gadawg73]

How many innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq in the last month from suicide bombers?
Probably 10 times more than Saddam killed.
How many suicide attacks when he was in power.
Hint: Less than 1.
You can not change those animals over there. Saddam was terrible. The current folk there are as bad or worse.
Bush was a fool. The intelligence was a joke. Anyone with a brain knows that.
And I vote Republican.

 

[Gadawg73]

"Case in point. Article 54 of the Geneva Conventions clearly states that destroying or rendering useless items essential to the survival of civilian populations is illegal under international law and a war crime. Hard then to explain the 1991 US bombing of electrical grids that powered 1,410 water-treatment plants for Iraq's 22 million people.

"An excerpt from a 1998 US Air Force document, entitled 'Strategic Attack,' chillingly explains: 'The electrical attacks proved extremely effective ... The loss of electricity shut down the capital's water treatment plants and led to a public health crisis from raw sewage dumped in the Tigris River.'

"A second US Defense Intelligence Agency document, 1991's 'Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities,' predicted how sanctions would then be used to prevent Iraq from getting the equipment and chemicals necessary for water purification, which would result in 'a shortage of pure drinking water for much of the population' leading to 'increased incidences, if not epidemics, of disease.'"

Material Breach: US Crimes in Iraq

5 Whys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_WhysThe 5 Whys is a question-asking technique used to explore the cause-and-effect relationships underlying a particular problem. The primary goal of the technique ...
Example - History - Techniques - Criticism
People who have to resolve issues use this to find the root cause of a problem

Without Saddam, none of those events take place
The root cause of all of these events was Saddam Hussien

Saddam's party would never have come to power in Iraq without help from the CIA.
The concern of US elites over the control of "greatest material prize in history" is the root cause of all the war crimes committed in the Middle East since the end of WWII.

Not the help, the cooperation.
In intelligence that is a big difference.
CIA is an intelligence operation, not a policy and strategy entity. CIA has no military power.

 

[Bloodline]

5 Whys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_WhysThe 5 Whys is a question-asking technique used to explore the cause-and-effect relationships underlying a particular problem. The primary goal of the technique ...
Example - History - Techniques - Criticism
People who have to resolve issues use this to find the root cause of a problem

Without Saddam, none of those events take place
The root cause of all of these events was Saddam Hussien

Saddam's party would never have come to power in Iraq without help from the CIA.
The concern of US elites over the control of "greatest material prize in history" is the root cause of all the war crimes committed in the Middle East since the end of WWII.

Not the help, the cooperation.
In intelligence that is a big difference.
CIA is an intelligence operation, not a policy and strategy entity. CIA has no military power.

It's all semantics in that regard.

 

[Bloodline]

5 Whys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_WhysThe 5 Whys is a question-asking technique used to explore the cause-and-effect relationships underlying a particular problem. The primary goal of the technique ...
Example - History - Techniques - Criticism
People who have to resolve issues use this to find the root cause of a problem

Without Saddam, none of those events take place
The root cause of all of these events was Saddam Hussien

Saddam's party would never have come to power in Iraq without help from the CIA.
The concern of US elites over the control of "greatest material prize in history" is the root cause of all the war crimes committed in the Middle East since the end of WWII.

Not the help, the cooperation.
In intelligence that is a big difference.
CIA is an intelligence operation, not a policy and strategy entity. CIA has no military power.

For instance if the CIA didn't have the power to "shape" policy then how was Congress led to war with MOST of the C.I.A.'s top officials advising against it?

Oh yeah.....Donald Rumsfeld/Dick Cheney's clandestine "Office of Special Plans was cherrypicking raw, unvetted C.I.A. intel and presenting it to Congress as the polished product using the qualifier that "all of the other intel agencies around the world concur."

What they neglected to tell Congress was that all of the other world intel agencies were simply "concurring" on the same garbage they were presenting to Congress!

Quite a loop huh?

It did influence policy to the tune of over three thousand dead American soldiers though.

Tune in next for someone to chime in "yeah....but Clinton saw the same intel back in (fill in the blank)."

So what? He didn't use it to invade Iraq did he?

Maybe he was a little smarter than G.W. ya thank?

 

[starcraftzzz]

Now, every Iraqi is free to vote or run for office, without closed door approval or fear of death. Iraqi women can vote, hold office, become a doctor, teacher, or any other occupation that will provide non suicidal dreams for her children. Iraqi sports teams can back the candidates of their choosing without losing the right to represent their country.

Jake you talk of what right I have after that lie you just told about Iraqi women?

Iranian Protest: The True Success of Iraq |

You should check into what Iraq looked like before the first gulf war and UN sanctions (mostly driven by the U.S.).

Great universities....medical facilities unmatched in the eastern hemisphere....a thriving economy....arts....literature.

Generally a pretty good quality of life for anybody!

Please.....don't give this crap about "women not being able to vote!"

Yeah sure....of course women should be allowed to vote!

So should the tens of thousands of disenfranchised inner city minority voters being PURGED from the rolls right now even as we speak in Florida and in cities all over the U.S. by powerful Republic interests!

Where's your similar outrage over them?

Universally agreed

are you serious?

According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Others have estimated 800,000 deaths caused by Saddam not counting the Iran-Iraq war.[10] Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam's regime vary from 300-500,000[11] to over 600,000,[12] estimates as to the number of Kurds he massacred vary from 70,000 to 300,000,[13] and estimates as to the number killed in the put-down of the 1991 rebellion vary from 60,000[14] to 200,000.[12] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[15]

You call this generally a pretty good life?
WHAT?

Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its better hten having anoutehr million killed due to an war and an endless amount of terrorists attacks

 

[Bloodline]

You should check into what Iraq looked like before the first gulf war and UN sanctions (mostly driven by the U.S.).

Great universities....medical facilities unmatched in the eastern hemisphere....a thriving economy....arts....literature.

Generally a pretty good quality of life for anybody!

Please.....don't give this crap about "women not being able to vote!"

Yeah sure....of course women should be allowed to vote!

So should the tens of thousands of disenfranchised inner city minority voters being PURGED from the rolls right now even as we speak in Florida and in cities all over the U.S. by powerful Republic interests!

Where's your similar outrage over them?

Universally agreed

are you serious?

According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Others have estimated 800,000 deaths caused by Saddam not counting the Iran-Iraq war.[10] Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam's regime vary from 300-500,000[11] to over 600,000,[12] estimates as to the number of Kurds he massacred vary from 70,000 to 300,000,[13] and estimates as to the number killed in the put-down of the 1991 rebellion vary from 60,000[14] to 200,000.[12] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[15]

You call this generally a pretty good life?
WHAT?

Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its better hten having anoutehr million killed due to an war and an endless amount of terrorists attacks

The war in Iraq has already guaranteed us terrorist attacks for evermore.

So unfortunately when the next 9-11 strikes our soil we won't get to be pissed and outraged.

We'll just have to hang our heads and remember George Bush and company.

 

[Unkotare]

You should check into what Iraq looked like before the first gulf war and UN sanctions (mostly driven by the U.S.).

Great universities....medical facilities unmatched in the eastern hemisphere....a thriving economy....arts....literature.

Generally a pretty good quality of life for anybody!

Are you in-fucking-sane? Did you ever speak with Iraqis who lived under saddam's rule during that time? "A pretty good quality of life" didn't come up very often.

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK continues to post fail nonsense. I find it silly of him to say he puts me on ignore then answers my posts.

JRK is a liar, pure and simple.

1) no WMDs were found as described by the Administration. Any talk about yellow cake and other stuff, when read in full, one quickly realizes this is not what the Admin meant,

2) Iraqi women are being forced into sharia submission, including honor killings.

3) JRK shames our American military personnel every time he posts.

 

[Billo_Really]

Are you in-fucking-sane? Did you ever speak with Iraqis who lived under saddam's rule during that time? "A pretty good quality of life" didn't come up very often.

Looking back, many Iraqis now say that life under Hussein was better. Because at least back then, they knew which direction the enemy was coming from. Now, it comes all sides.

Back then, women were allowed to drive a car and go to college. Now they can't even go out of the house without a male escort.