Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?


how many trillions of dollars wasted to try and stablize that nation?

yo mean less than 1 trillion dont you?
CBO: Eight Years Of Iraq War Cost Less Than Stimulus Act | FoxNews.com

Do those figures take into account the following:

1. long term care of wounded
2. replacement cost of men and materials lost in the war
3. cost of ongoing, future presence in Iraq
4. interest on debt accumulated paying for war
5. premium on price of oil that occurred throughout the war and was attributed to the war


??
 
Oh, and when you're calculating the cost of the Iraq war, don't forget,

it started in 1991.
 
how many trillions of dollars wasted to try and stablize that nation?

yo mean less than 1 trillion dont you?
CBO: Eight Years Of Iraq War Cost Less Than Stimulus Act | FoxNews.com

Do those figures take into account the following:

1. long term care of wounded
2. replacement cost of men and materials lost in the war
3. cost of ongoing, future presence in Iraq
4. interest on debt accumulated paying for war
5. premium on price of oil that occurred throughout the war and was attributed to the war


1) The on caring cost for the wounded has a cost that the money the UAW got would last there lifetimes many times over

2) You cannot replace the person

3) What cost ongoing in Iraq? are you trying to say it cost more to have a soldier in the green zone in Iraq than it does along the fence in Cuba?

4) Is the same the interest is on the failed stimulus, the failed auto bailout,

5) Part of the reason we invaded Iraq was to stabilize oil production. they where selling oil on the black market or did you forget they had an embargo against them thru the UN all those years?
Five Years In - Iraq’s Insurgency Runs on Stolen Oil Profits - Series - NYTimes.com

"Disturbing evidence to date suggests that U.N. officials may have been complicit, perhaps maliciously so, in cheating the Iraqi people out of billions of dollars in badly needed food and medical supplies," editorialized the Chicago Tribune (5/9/04). The paper did not neglect to draw the appropriate political conclusion: The new Iraqi government "will carry [a] U.N. seal of approval" that "may not be worth much."

At the New York Times, conservative columnist William Safire has carried the torch for the story, penning at least seven columns this year mentioning the so-called oil-for-food scandal—or, as he calls it (5/24/04), "the U.N.'s complicity in the $5 billion oil-for-food kickback ripoff."
http://www.fair.org/extra/0407/oil-for-food.html
 
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your joking right?

He's not joking, he's desperate. The left is in full panic as the watch it all fall apart. Sure, Obama is done, but what about the fallout? The house already went to the GOP, right now they're looking at the Senate and the Exec joining the House.

Two years ago these people were convinced that they had a mandate to rewrite the constitution and remold the country in a brave, new world. Now it's all in pieces on the ground. Yes, Obama got healthcare through, but it's fascism, not the socialism that the left dreamed of. The public is resistant and wants it repealed. Loyalty oaths by the Hollywood airheads are a thing of the past and people openly oppose Dear Leader.

He's desperate and frustrated, it just didn't work the way he dreamed it would.
 
your calling me stupid but yet your respond to my threads
what does that make you?
1) remove Saddam: done
2) allow a democratic government to take its place: done
3) rid the country of WMDs: done
4) Kill as many terrorist as Possible: done

what more was we suppose to do?

Is it paid for / could we afford it? NO.
Did it change life here, for Americans, for the better? NO. People all across the Country have lost loved ones and currently MISS loved ones because of the extended and multiple deployments. Missed their kids' birthdays, Christmasses, etc.

Is it stabilized, or are we there policing it with 40, 000+ for our health? Gee, that's a tough one.

Democracy? You call Sharia law democracy? :lol:

GT you have right to dis agree
the public felt very different
I hate talking about the troops< you know why?
those heroes volunteered for there duties and you liberals claim there being forced to do this
I hate that
by years end that number will be around 10,000

Troops In Iraq | Iraq U.S. troops: U.S. willing to leave 10,000 troops in Iraq past year's end, officials say - Los Angeles Times

you think democracy is funny?
2010 national election

Main article: Iraqi parliamentary election, 2010
The Federal Supreme Court gave its opinion on 13 May 2009 following the request of the Speaker of the Council of Representatives to the Court in its capacity as interpreter of the Constitution under Article 93(2). The issue arising was the interpretation of Article 56 of the constitution which states:
First: The electoral term of the Council of Representatives shall be four calendar years, starting with its first session and ending with the conclusion of the fourth year.
Second: The new Council of Representatives shall be elected forty-five days before the conclusion of the preceding electoral term. The previous election had been on 15 December 2005.
The opening session of the Council of Representatives had been 16 March 2006 (the swearing in session) and the first substantive session of the Council of Representatives was then held on 22 April 2006. The Court was of the opinion that the swearing in session on 16 March 2006 was the "first session" as required by Article 56(First). It therefore followed that the conclusion of the 4th year would be on 15 March 2010 and that the election should be 45 days prior to 15 March 2010, i.e. 30 January 2010. The court decided that the Calendar year referred to was the 365 day Gregorian year (and not for example the 360 day Hijri year).
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Who pays for these contractors.

Overseas Contractor Count for Second Quarter 2011 « Overseas Civilian Contractors
 
Is it paid for / could we afford it? NO.
Did it change life here, for Americans, for the better? NO. People all across the Country have lost loved ones and currently MISS loved ones because of the extended and multiple deployments. Missed their kids' birthdays, Christmasses, etc.

Is it stabilized, or are we there policing it with 40, 000+ for our health? Gee, that's a tough one.

Democracy? You call Sharia law democracy? :lol:

GT you have right to dis agree
the public felt very different
I hate talking about the troops< you know why?
those heroes volunteered for there duties and you liberals claim there being forced to do this
I hate that
by years end that number will be around 10,000

Troops In Iraq | Iraq U.S. troops: U.S. willing to leave 10,000 troops in Iraq past year's end, officials say - Los Angeles Times

you think democracy is funny?
2010 national election

Main article: Iraqi parliamentary election, 2010
The Federal Supreme Court gave its opinion on 13 May 2009 following the request of the Speaker of the Council of Representatives to the Court in its capacity as interpreter of the Constitution under Article 93(2). The issue arising was the interpretation of Article 56 of the constitution which states:
First: The electoral term of the Council of Representatives shall be four calendar years, starting with its first session and ending with the conclusion of the fourth year.
Second: The new Council of Representatives shall be elected forty-five days before the conclusion of the preceding electoral term. The previous election had been on 15 December 2005.
The opening session of the Council of Representatives had been 16 March 2006 (the swearing in session) and the first substantive session of the Council of Representatives was then held on 22 April 2006. The Court was of the opinion that the swearing in session on 16 March 2006 was the "first session" as required by Article 56(First). It therefore followed that the conclusion of the 4th year would be on 15 March 2010 and that the election should be 45 days prior to 15 March 2010, i.e. 30 January 2010. The court decided that the Calendar year referred to was the 365 day Gregorian year (and not for example the 360 day Hijri year).
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Who pays for these contractors.

Overseas Contractor Count for Second Quarter 2011 « Overseas Civilian Contractors

Why would those expenses be any different in South Korea?
We have reached that point that these are troops who are volunteers
it cost the same for those troops in Iraq as it does in Japan
The troops in Iraq are in the green zone most all of time
Its SOP
 
As far as WMDs go, these outdated yet potentially hazardous munitions found were suppose to have been destroyed
The argument of "no WMDS is not a pretty with a bow and ribbon argument
The bottom line is these munitions were suppose to have been destroyed. Saddam was lying about these
how many others we never found or had been moved were there?
it odes not matter now

Regardless of (how much material in the weapon is actually chemical agent), any remaining agent is toxic," he said. "Anything above zero (percent agent) would prove to be toxic, and if you were exposed to it long enough, lethal."
Though about 500 chemical weapons - the exact number has not been released publicly - have been found, Maples said he doesn't believe Iraq is a "WMD-free zone."
"I do believe the former regime did a very poor job of accountability of munitions, and certainly did not document the destruction of munitions," he said. "The recovery program goes on, and I do not believe we have found all the weapons."

Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
from the DOD

The Defense Intelligence Agency director said locating and disposing of chemical weapons in Iraq is one of


ROTF.

Yeah I clearly remember President Bush telling the folks here at home that we were in mortal danger from Saddam's small quantity of "outdated yet potentially hazardous munitions" he aquired and use while was an ally of the Raygun/Bush Administration, that was not destroyed when he destroyed all the other.

Wait that's not how it happend at all it it. Nope, were were told that Saddam was actively producing and stockpiling huge amounts of new chemical and bilogical weapons and that he had reconstituted his nuclear weapons program too.

It was not true and both Rice and Powell knew it. They both are on record saying of how Saddam was contained and had not even been able to rebuilt his conventional army from the drubbing they got in 91.

But President Bush took advantage of the disaster on 9-11 to attack a country that had no part in the attack and was not a direct threat to our nation.
 
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Do those figures take into account the following:

1. long term care of wounded
2. replacement cost of men and materials lost in the war
3. cost of ongoing, future presence in Iraq
4. interest on debt accumulated paying for war
5. premium on price of oil that occurred throughout the war and was attributed to the war


1) The on caring cost for the wounded has a cost that the money the UAW got would last there lifetimes many times over

2) You cannot replace the person

3) What cost ongoing in Iraq? are you trying to say it cost more to have a soldier in the green zone in Iraq than it does along the fence in Cuba?

4) Is the same the interest is on the failed stimulus, the failed auto bailout,

5) Part of the reason we invaded Iraq was to stabilize oil production. they where selling oil on the black market or did you forget they had an embargo against them thru the UN all those years?
Five Years In - Iraq’s Insurgency Runs on Stolen Oil Profits - Series - NYTimes.com

"Disturbing evidence to date suggests that U.N. officials may have been complicit, perhaps maliciously so, in cheating the Iraqi people out of billions of dollars in badly needed food and medical supplies," editorialized the Chicago Tribune (5/9/04). The paper did not neglect to draw the appropriate political conclusion: The new Iraqi government "will carry [a] U.N. seal of approval" that "may not be worth much."

At the New York Times, conservative columnist William Safire has carried the torch for the story, penning at least seven columns this year mentioning the so-called oil-for-food scandal—or, as he calls it (5/24/04), "the U.N.'s complicity in the $5 billion oil-for-food kickback ripoff."
A Timely Scandal

WTF?

Stablize oil production? Got a quote of the President making that claim? I think he admitted to hearing voices from God before he ever made that claim.....
 
As far as WMDs go, these outdated yet potentially hazardous munitions found were suppose to have been destroyed
The argument of "no WMDS is not a pretty with a bow and ribbon argument
The bottom line is these munitions were suppose to have been destroyed. Saddam was lying about these
how many others we never found or had been moved were there?
it odes not matter now

Regardless of (how much material in the weapon is actually chemical agent), any remaining agent is toxic," he said. "Anything above zero (percent agent) would prove to be toxic, and if you were exposed to it long enough, lethal."
Though about 500 chemical weapons - the exact number has not been released publicly - have been found, Maples said he doesn't believe Iraq is a "WMD-free zone."
"I do believe the former regime did a very poor job of accountability of munitions, and certainly did not document the destruction of munitions," he said. "The recovery program goes on, and I do not believe we have found all the weapons."

Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
from the DOD

The Defense Intelligence Agency director said locating and disposing of chemical weapons in Iraq is one of


ROTF.

Yeah I clearly remember President Bush telling the folks here at home that we were in mortal danger from Saddam's small quantity of "outdated yet potentially hazardous munitions" he aquired and use while was an ally of the Raygun/Bush Administration, that was not destroyed when he destroyed all the other.

Wait that's not how it happend at all it it. Nope, were were told that Saddam was actively producing and stockpiling huge amounts of new chemical and bilogical weapons and that he had reconstituted his nuclear weapons program too.

It was not true and both Rice and Powell knew it. They both are on record saying of how Saddam was contained and had not even been able to rebuilt his conventional army from the drubbing they got in 91.

But President Bush took advantage of the disaster on 9-11 to attack a country that had no part in the attack and was not a direct threat to our nation.
There's one man, and one man only responsible for the Iraq war......That's Sadaam himself. All he had to do was come clean. All he had to do was cooperate. He chose to continue to fake his WMD program. Chose to carry on his charade. Chose to continually rattle his sword, until Bush finally rammed it up his ass once and for all.

Sadaam Himself laid it all out.

Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions - CBS News

Get over it lib's.....The world is a much safer place without Sadaam, or his even crazier sons in power......Deal with it, and STFU already.
 
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As far as WMDs go, these outdated yet potentially hazardous munitions found were suppose to have been destroyed
The argument of "no WMDS is not a pretty with a bow and ribbon argument
The bottom line is these munitions were suppose to have been destroyed. Saddam was lying about these
how many others we never found or had been moved were there?
it odes not matter now

Regardless of (how much material in the weapon is actually chemical agent), any remaining agent is toxic," he said. "Anything above zero (percent agent) would prove to be toxic, and if you were exposed to it long enough, lethal."
Though about 500 chemical weapons - the exact number has not been released publicly - have been found, Maples said he doesn't believe Iraq is a "WMD-free zone."
"I do believe the former regime did a very poor job of accountability of munitions, and certainly did not document the destruction of munitions," he said. "The recovery program goes on, and I do not believe we have found all the weapons."

Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
from the DOD

The Defense Intelligence Agency director said locating and disposing of chemical weapons in Iraq is one of


ROTF.

Yeah I clearly remember President Bush telling the folks here at home that we were in mortal danger from Saddam's small quantity of "outdated yet potentially hazardous munitions" he aquired and use while was an ally of the Raygun/Bush Administration, that was not destroyed when he destroyed all the other.

Wait that's not how it happend at all it it. Nope, were were told that Saddam was actively producing and stockpiling huge amounts of new chemical and bilogical weapons and that he had reconstituted his nuclear weapons program too.

It was not true and both Rice and Powell knew it. They both are on record saying of how Saddam was contained and had not even been able to rebuilt his conventional army from the drubbing they got in 91.

But President Bush took advantage of the disaster on 9-11 to attack a country that had no part in the attack and was not a direct threat to our nation.
There's one man, and one man only responsible for the Iraq war......That's Sadaam himself. All he had to do was come clean. All he had to do was cooperate. He chose to continue to fake his WMD program. Chose to carry on his charade. Chose to continually rattle his sword, until Bush finally rammed it up his ass once and for all.

Sadaam Himself laid it all out.

Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions - CBS News

Get over it lib's.....The world is a much safer place without Sadaam, or his even crazier sons in power......Deal with it, and STFU already.

It is quite a shame that "ramming it up Saddams Ass" Cost the lives of over 4000 US soldiers when he posed no significant threat to the worlds remaining superpower.

Quite lying about the reason we went and killed all those people and I'll STFU.
 
ROTF.

Yeah I clearly remember President Bush telling the folks here at home that we were in mortal danger from Saddam's small quantity of "outdated yet potentially hazardous munitions" he aquired and use while was an ally of the Raygun/Bush Administration, that was not destroyed when he destroyed all the other.

Wait that's not how it happend at all it it. Nope, were were told that Saddam was actively producing and stockpiling huge amounts of new chemical and bilogical weapons and that he had reconstituted his nuclear weapons program too.

It was not true and both Rice and Powell knew it. They both are on record saying of how Saddam was contained and had not even been able to rebuilt his conventional army from the drubbing they got in 91.

But President Bush took advantage of the disaster on 9-11 to attack a country that had no part in the attack and was not a direct threat to our nation.
There's one man, and one man only responsible for the Iraq war......That's Sadaam himself. All he had to do was come clean. All he had to do was cooperate. He chose to continue to fake his WMD program. Chose to carry on his charade. Chose to continually rattle his sword, until Bush finally rammed it up his ass once and for all.

Sadaam Himself laid it all out.

Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions - CBS News

Get over it lib's.....The world is a much safer place without Sadaam, or his even crazier sons in power......Deal with it, and STFU already.

It is quite a shame that "ramming it up Saddams Ass" Cost the lives of over 4000 US soldiers when he posed no significant threat to the worlds remaining superpower.

Quite lying about the reason we went and killed all those people and I'll STFU.
Quit lying about Bush lying us into war. That liberal mumbojumbo is so 2005.

Read the fucking article, and see for yourself who actually lied themself into war.
 
There's one man, and one man only responsible for the Iraq war......That's Sadaam himself. All he had to do was come clean. All he had to do was cooperate. He chose to continue to fake his WMD program. Chose to carry on his charade. Chose to continually rattle his sword, until Bush finally rammed it up his ass once and for all.

Sadaam Himself laid it all out.

Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions - CBS News

Get over it lib's.....The world is a much safer place without Sadaam, or his even crazier sons in power......Deal with it, and STFU already.

It is quite a shame that "ramming it up Saddams Ass" Cost the lives of over 4000 US soldiers when he posed no significant threat to the worlds remaining superpower.

Quite lying about the reason we went and killed all those people and I'll STFU.
Quit lying about Bush lying us into war. That liberal mumbojumbo is so 2005.

Read the fucking article, and see for yourself who actually lied themself into war.

The two lies I am talking about today are that the old chemical warheads represent the WMD claims the Bush admistration made before the invasion, and that stablizing Iraqis oil production was ever part of the Bush's war rational presented to the people.
 
Bringing Democracy to Iraq is going to be a bad joke too. Iraq is a country by geography, not religiously and politically. Civil war will happen after we leave and the stability will be gone.
 
It is quite a shame that "ramming it up Saddams Ass" Cost the lives of over 4000 US soldiers when he posed no significant threat to the worlds remaining superpower.

Quite lying about the reason we went and killed all those people and I'll STFU.
Quit lying about Bush lying us into war. That liberal mumbojumbo is so 2005.

Read the fucking article, and see for yourself who actually lied themself into war.

The two lies I am talking about today are that the old chemical warheads represent the WMD claims the Bush admistration made before the invasion, and that stablizing Iraqis oil production was ever part of the Bush's war rational presented to the people.
It's all in Sadaam's confession..........All he had to do was come clean. He himself chose to continue his charade. Chose to repeatedly kick the inspectors out. Repeatedly fire on our planes. Repeatedly rattle his sword.

And, it was chemical weapons that he used on his own people....So yes, there was every reason to believe he still had them, and would use them if necessary.
 
WMDs were much like our nuclear program during the Cold War. A deterent to Iran invading Iraq.
 
Quit lying about Bush lying us into war. That liberal mumbojumbo is so 2005.

Read the fucking article, and see for yourself who actually lied themself into war.

The two lies I am talking about today are that the old chemical warheads represent the WMD claims the Bush admistration made before the invasion, and that stablizing Iraqis oil production was ever part of the Bush's war rational presented to the people.
It's all in Sadaam's confession..........All he had to do was come clean. He himself chose to continue his charade. Chose to repeatedly kick the inspectors out. Repeatedly fire on our planes. Repeatedly rattle his sword.

And, it was chemical weapons that he used on his own people....So yes, there was every reason to believe he still had them, and would use them if necessary.


HUH?

Do you ever research anything?

What "inspectors"?

What chemicals against his own people?

.
 
Quit lying about Bush lying us into war. That liberal mumbojumbo is so 2005.

Read the fucking article, and see for yourself who actually lied themself into war.

The two lies I am talking about today are that the old chemical warheads represent the WMD claims the Bush admistration made before the invasion, and that stablizing Iraqis oil production was ever part of the Bush's war rational presented to the people.
It's all in Sadaam's confession..........All he had to do was come clean. He himself chose to continue his charade. Chose to repeatedly kick the inspectors out. Repeatedly fire on our planes. Repeatedly rattle his sword.

And, it was chemical weapons that he used on his own people....So yes, there was every reason to believe he still had them, and would use them if necessary.

Actually the Weapons inpectors were pulled out by the UN more times than they were kicked out by Saddam. The Chemical weapons attacks against Iran and the Kurds happen during the Raygun Administration. Raygun fought Congressional attempts to sanction the regime for both. Again the claim was not that he had aquire chemical weapons in the 80's but that he was actively producing and stockpiling new weapons and especially his nuclar program, or that he had helped Al Queda plan or carry out the attacks on 9-11. In fact those are the only two reasons Congress gave the president the power to use military force in the first place.
 

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