Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

[JRK]

My friends in the military all tell me of the horrors dealing with the Bush administration post war Iraq. Fuck up after fuck up.

Your friends
who volunteered for the military and the commander in chief
are telling you of dealing with post GWB admin Iraq?
what exactly are they telling you? being that there in the green zone and all

 

[JRK]

All things considered, we entered Iraq for all the wrong reasons. It really had nothing to do with WMD's.

Bush wanted an easy victory in the Middle East and to democratize a country there by force. By doing so, browbeat neighboring states into further democratization. Iraq was the best target. They pissed off any neighbors who would be willing to support them. The world already aligned against Saddam once. His military forces were crap. We were already in the area. NOBODY would miss Saddam's removal. Least of all the Iraqis.

By democratizing Iraq, we would draw in wannabe jihadis to the area to be met with military force. It would draw away potential attacks to Europe and the US. Iraq being easier for a Saudi, Syrian or Jordanian wannabe bomber to go to than the West. Draw them to Iraq, annhilate them and show the world how ruthless these Islamicists are to fellow Muslim civilians.

The problem was, it was done too much on the cheap. We believed far too much of our own propaganda bullshit as to what would be needed for occupation and we got lazy when it came time to providing the necessary level of commitment of forces.

That being said, Saddam had it coming. He deserved his fate. The country has toned down quite a bit since 2003-2004.

Iraqis are really taking to democracy a lot better than expected. The civil war everyone was expecting between the Kurds, Shia and Sunni has not materialized. If anything Al Queda's attempts to spark one has actually brought Iraqis closer together. They are actually looking at political solutions to the ethnic divisions. Something one does when they want to be democratic.

You can even say that the war helped spark the Arab Spring. Once it was seen that the West would be willing to support Arab democracies over longstanding cronies. You had an actual example of an Arab country with a democratic leadership, it undermined the sad myths that Arabs just weren't ready for democracy.

I do not totally agree with your thread
but it was done with class
for that I thank you

 

[JakeStarkey]

1) REMOVE SADDAM DONE 2) STABILIZE COUNTRY DONE 3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS DONE Am missing something here?

The state of Saddam will be succeeded by a state of militant shi'ites allied with militant Shi'ite Iran.

Yeah, you forgot the most important thing.

 

[JRK]

1) REMOVE SADDAM DONE 2) STABILIZE COUNTRY DONE 3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS DONE Am missing something here?

The state of Saddam will be succeeded by a state of militant shi'ites allied with militant Shi'ite Iran.

Yeah, you forgot the most important thing.

Who were put in power by the will of the people
Elections in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
around 62% Of the people
BBC News - Iraq election turnout 62%, officials say

 

[NoNukes]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

The war never should have happened in the first place, How about that? American soldiers dying for oil, How about that? Invading a country for no good reason?

Ya' mean like Lybia?

LMAO!

We did not attack Lybia on our own for oil. No boots on the ground and American soldiers dying.

 

[Unkotare]

when he posed no significant threat to the worlds remaining superpower.

If you can't comprehend a "threat" of any sort other than tanks rolling up on the beaches, then you are not yet mature enough to really discuss the matter.

 

[Unkotare]

Bringing Democracy to Iraq is going to be a bad joke too. Iraq is a country by geography, not religiously and politically.

That is not true.

 

[NoNukes]

Yes, except Liberals are clever, Conservatives are not.

You ever hear the phrase, "Clever as a sheep?"

No? You know why? Because just like leftists, sheep are fucking stupid.

Good attempt at distraction, but it would only work on people there with you on the right.

 

[Unkotare]

WMDs were much like our nuclear program during the Cold War. A deterent to Iran invading Iraq.

Alright, now you are going off the deep end. If you think saddam wouldn't actually use chemical weapons you are competely ignorant of history.

 

[Unkotare]

The two lies I am talking about today are that the old chemical warheads represent the WMD claims the Bush admistration made before the invasion, and that stablizing Iraqis oil production was ever part of the Bush's war rational presented to the people.

It's all in Sadaam's confession..........All he had to do was come clean. He himself chose to continue his charade. Chose to repeatedly kick the inspectors out. Repeatedly fire on our planes. Repeatedly rattle his sword.

And, it was chemical weapons that he used on his own people....So yes, there was every reason to believe he still had them, and would use them if necessary.

HUH?

Do you ever research anything?

What "inspectors"?

What chemicals against his own people?

.

If you are this completely ignorant, why bother discussing the topic?

 

[NoNukes]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

1. By disregarding the UNSCR 1441(which the US signed onto) the US led invasion of Iraq in 2003 was illegal.

2. Not stable. Civilians dead in Iraq bus bombing 7-3-2011

3. After all is said and done, when we leave it will still be a miserable shit hole.

The invasion and occupation of Iraq was sold as a security threat because of the WMD. Not to remove Saddam from office. Not to nation build. Not to spread a Republic form of governemnt.

Bush had a 'reason of the month', all of them bullshit. But, those on the right believed him.

 

[Unkotare]

American soldiers dying for oil, How about that? Invading a country for no good reason?[/B]

"No good reason" is your opinion, and history is already moving past you. The "dying for oil" canard has been given up even by most liberals at this point. Try to catch up.

 

[NoNukes]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

Yes.

It also spawned a dozen other nations to seek free, republican rule. Egypt, Tunisia, Libya.....

You have no proof that one had anything to do with the other.

 

[JakeStarkey]

1) REMOVE SADDAM DONE 2) STABILIZE COUNTRY DONE 3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS DONE Am missing something here?

The state of Saddam will be succeeded by a state of militant shi'ites allied with militant Shi'ite Iran.

Yeah, you forgot the most important thing.

Who were put in power by the will of the people around 62% Of the people

Hitler was democratically elected. Hamas is democratically elected. Iranian politicians are democratically elected. These are no excuses for Bush's fuck ups.

 

[JRK]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

Yes.

It also spawned a dozen other nations to seek free, republican rule. Egypt, Tunisia, Libya.....

You have no proof that one had anything to do with the other.

You have no proof it did not

 

[Unkotare]

Because we're STILL THERE.

So, WWII was a failure?

No. Post WWII policy has been a failure. We should be out of Europe and Japan, now.

Are you literally incapable of seeing beyond the end of your own nose?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes.

It also spawned a dozen other nations to seek free, republican rule. Egypt, Tunisia, Libya.....

You have no proof that one had anything to do with the other.

You have no proof it did not

Uncensored made a claim, like House often does, without evidence. U needs to support his claim. He can't, though.

 

[JRK]

The state of Saddam will be succeeded by a state of militant shi'ites allied with militant Shi'ite Iran.

Yeah, you forgot the most important thing.

Who were put in power by the will of the people around 62% Of the people

Hitler was democratically elected. Hamas is democratically elected. Iranian politicians are democratically elected. These are no excuses for Bush's fuck ups.

Your comparing modern day Iraq to the third Reich?
little desperate perhaps?

 

[Unkotare]

Iranian politicians are democratically elected. .

Go find your nearest Iranian and ask him about that. Do you not recall what happened a few years ago (while our joke-in-chief did nothing)?

 

[Unkotare]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

Yes.

It also spawned a dozen other nations to seek free, republican rule. Egypt, Tunisia, Libya.....

You have no proof that one had anything to do with the other.

Close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, and start singing really loudly so you don't have to acknowledge the reality unfolding around you.